Evansville v. Xavier (December 10, 2013)

[paulxu]

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Evansville Purple Aces (6-3) vs. Xavier University Musketeers (6-3)
Saturday, December 10, 2013 at 7:00 p.m. ET
Cintas Center, Cincinnati, Ohio

Live Chat (http://www.chatzy.com/32573582761803)

Television: Fox Sports 1
Radio: TBA

[paulxu]

- Getting a head start
- Muskie, don't get use to this
- Blobfan, respect the streak (please don't get sick anymore)
- If you're worried about our team, commence worrying about this game
- I'm strapped in for this ride; let's keep rolling

[oddblob]

ill be at this game! in town from san diego. calling a double from big stain

[X-band '01]

Where on earth did Paul find that avatar? It looks like they gave the Duquesne mascot the Joker's wardrobe.

[X-band '01]

As for the Aces, they do have some decent wins over Mercer and Valpo, but that's about it. 2 of their wins were against non-Division I competition.

[xu82]

Personally, I hope they are horrible and we dominate. I will be making a rare trip to Cintas for this game, and I'd like to leave with a good feeling. I don't mind kidding myself on occasion. (I would rather they be amazing and we win, but there's a difference between kidding yourself and being certifiably crazy.)

[paulxu]

but there's a difference between kidding yourself and being certifiably crazy.)

Keep telling yourself that.

[gladdenguy]

Personally, I hope they are horrible and we dominate.)

Well they are better or just as good as Bowling Green. If Xavier plays like they did Saturday they will not dominate anyone.

[paulxu]

mrspaulxu has advised me that I will be at another function this evening...as opposed to in front of my teevee.
This is not good news.

I am counting on you guys (and girls) to help continue this new streak. Please don't let the old guy down.

[casualfan]

These guys lost to IU 77-46 and Ohio University 81-59.

I expect us to blow them out. Anything less will be a disappointment.

It looks like their leading scorer is a guard who averages just under 25 a game.

[Madfan]

These guys lost to IU 77-46 and Ohio University 81-59.

I expect us to blow them out. Anything less will be a disappointment.

It looks like their leading scorer is a guard who averages just under 25 a game.

Dee Davis played against DJ Ballentine for the state championship Dee's senior year of high school. DJ is a very good player who has a great shot.

[X-ROX]

ill be at this game! in town from san diego. calling a double from big stain

You picked a great day to be in town. I like the call and also foresee that happening with Farr also having one.

[nuts4xu]

As for the Aces, they do have some decent wins over Mercer and Valpo, but that's about it. 2 of their wins were against non-Division I competition.

...and that is Mercer the college, not the elementary school located in the eastern suburbs of Cincinnati.

[blobfan]

- Getting a head start
- Muskie, don't get use to this
- Blobfan, respect the streak (please don't get sick anymore)
- If you're worried about our team, commence worrying about this game
- I'm strapped in for this ride; let's keep rolling

I'm trying. Not making the game tonight but at least I remembered to update the avatar before tip-off, right?

[BMoreX]

It is empty. Student section has been awful last 3 games.

[bjf123]

Lots of fans masquerading as empty seats tonight.


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[The_Mack_Pack]

Lots of stupid turnovers already...Again.

[Nocalmuskie]

why is the student section dead?

[Charlesbt4]

We are losing to Evansville. That is all.

[XU3232]

Here we go again... Looks like it will be another close game.

[The_Mack_Pack]

What is this garbage..

[Charlesbt4]

We're down 7... to Evansville. Amazing.

[XU3232]

They may blow us out of our own gym.

[RealDeal]

Yeah we suck again.

[DC Muskie]

We are not a very good offensive team right now.

Go ahead and get your offensive jokes out now!

[casualfan]

Glad to see ads have crept into the picture during actual live game action.

[xsteve1]

Philmore and Stainbrook have to lead the country in getting shots put back in their faces.

[xavierj]

Great guy. Slow and unathletic. Kind of sucks at basketball. That is all.

[GoMuskies]

Okay, prank over. When does the game actually start?

[The_Mack_Pack]

It's about time they called a foul on that Lithuanian kid. He's been pushing in the back this whole game.

[casualfan]

I can honestly say this may be the most undisciplined defensive team I've ever watched. They get away with some of it because certain guys are great athletes, but well coached teams are starting to make them pay.

I remember after the Abilene Christian game I complained about the D and got blown up by a bunch of people because apparently Mack didn't think it was a problem.

It's not just a problem, its a major problem.

[casualfan]

Dear lord those ads are annoying.

[Charlesbt4]

Dear lord those ads are annoying.

More annoying than the basketball?

[Charlesbt4]

How many layups are we going to miss?

[XU3232]

Philmore looks awful. Can Randolph make anything? His shots are wide open

[The_Mack_Pack]

Lots of missed layups, dumb turnovers, and no defensive intensity.. That's mainly just effort.

[Porkopolis]

We're lucky to only be down 7. That was some brutal basketball all around. Is it really that hard to hit a point blank shot?

[The_Mack_Pack]

Philmore looks awful. Can Randolph make anything? His shots are wide open

He should never shoot the ball from three unless X is up by a lot.

[bjf123]

An absolutely embarrassing half of basketball.


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[DC Muskie]

We have a mix of Prosser's shot selection (there's no such thing as a bad shot) and Miller's conservatism. Terrible combination.

[X-Fan]

This is unbelievable. How can they be this bad?!? Down 7 at the half. Very worrisome.

[XBR1]

This blows. We need better movement on offense along with better offensive rebounding. Our defense sucks right now.

[bjf123]

On a positive note, Quick Change is the halftime entertainment.


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[xsteve1]

I can't believe how bad this X team is.

[XUFan09]

I'm not too concerned about the halfcourt defense when you consider their numbers are inflated by transition buckets via rebounds and turnovers. The transition defense, though has been bad, and the live ball turnovers have been rough on the other end. More than anything else, missing point-blank shots has hurt this team.

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[xavierj]

This team is filled with a giant bunch of soft wimps. What happened to our once tough program? I bet Gladden guy knows. I want someone to zip someone up not get bullied all night. This sucks.

[GoMuskies]

We need better players. They'll be on campus this summer.

[xavierj]

We need better players. They'll be on campus this summer.

Can they play like they have a pair? I hope so.

[XBR1]

Great guy. Slow and unathletic. Kind of sucks at basketball. That is all.

XUfan09 won't be happy you said one of our players "sucks".

[xsteve1]

I can't see how this team is even an NIT team.

[kyxu]

If Xavier can just get a 20-30 point lead, we should be fine.

[XUFan09]

XUfan09 won't be happy you said one of our players "sucks".

What a moronic comment. I've never been the one who is the Great Defender of the players. The only thing I've been big on lately is pointing out the stupidity of trying to read players' emotions as a distant observer.

Btw, sorry for not getting as pissy as some of you about a friggin game.

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[The_Mack_Pack]

Justin Martin is just plain bad.

[XUFan09]

Martin thinking about his three-point shot again. Just take it or pass it up.

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[XUFan09]

Transition defense has been bad...those last two sequences were just awful though.

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[xubball1993]

Ugh. I think I'll watch Dwest and the Pacers play the Heat on NBATV

[Charlesbt4]

I would be upset, if this weren't so God damn hilarious.

[The_Mack_Pack]

At this point they should just run plays to get Myles open..

[XUFan09]

At this point they should just run plays to get Myles open..

Probably the only effective offense.

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[xumuskies08]

Ugh. Just ugh. That is my only thought. No analysis necessary. All you need to know is ugh.

[XU3232]

At this point they should just run plays to get Myles open..

He really is our only real threat... Besides christon driving to the basket with his head down praying a foul is called.

[casualfan]

And we are playing zone. Against Evansville. Dear Lord.

[Jesuit4Life]

Where is the urgency?

[XUFan09]

Where is the urgency?

Good question...There were a number of good and bad moments in the first half...I was wondering which way things would tip in the second half under the pressure of that halftime deficit.

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[xsteve1]

Mack better be thankful he's got a good recruiting class coming in or his seat would be flaming.

[XUFan09]

That was the fist impressive Semaj moment I've seen in awhile. The Myles three right after certainly helped.

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[XUFan09]

Lol at Evansville protesting the clear push.

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[XUFan09]

I think that urgency has emerged (belatedly). The question is whether it's enough to overcome mistakes that will probably be made.

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[casualfan]

I'm regretting buying tix for Saturday.

[The_Mack_Pack]

I'm extremely critical of Martin but he's been big in the last five minutes of this one.

[XUFan09]

I'm extremely critical of Martin but he's been big in the last five minutes of this one.

He definitely has his great moments, just wish they occurred more frequently.

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[xumuskies08]

I'm glad they proved me wrong. Great comeback. Martin with a couple huge plays too

[GuyFawkes38]

This is a special team. Great comeback.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Thank goodness.. At least we know this team has the grit to come back from a sizeable deficit. Not really looking forward to Saturday though.

[Jesuit4Life]

Whew.

No excuse not to come out ready on Saturday though.

[XU3232]

Unreal. Glad they could pull that off but if they play like that Saturday it's going to get very ugly.

[waggy]

This is a special team. Great comeback.


:laugh:

[xufan2434]

Reaaaaally thought Mack was gonna have the guys ready to go tonight after the OT and get back to playing well... I'll take the win, but wow this team is nowhere near a tournament team. The turnovers and lack of consistency from the veterans is going to cost them. At least Semaj is hitting free throws now.

All could change on Saturday though!

[American X]

Semaj did an excellent imitation of the Tu Holloway offense tonight. Finishing a few more shots would exponentially help.

Justin Martin a baller.

[vee4xu]

Been like three separate seasons so far. First five games, no problem. Next three games a hot mess. Last two games ugly wins. All this leads me to not know what the heck to think about the University of Clifton game.

[Tu 4 MVP]

Was at the game and was unable to see why Jalen got the T. Anybody want to fill me in on what happened?

[Porkopolis]

Was at the game and was unable to see why Jalen got the T. Anybody want to fill me in on what happened?

He elbowed the Evansville player in the neck. Didn't look intentional but it doesn't matter anymore.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Was at the game and was unable to see why Jalen got the T. Anybody want to fill me in on what happened?

Looked like he was trying to box out a smaller player and elbowed his face. It's an automatic T even if you inadvertently elbow someone above the neck.

[Cheesehead]

I like our chances on Saturday because X should be a huge underdog. So, suck it UC!

[wkrq59]

Looked like he was trying to box out a smaller player and elbowed his face. It's an automatic T even if you inadvertently elbow someone above the neck.

It was not a "T" Repeat NOT. It was "Flagrant 1" foul. If it had been a T, Reynolds would have been out of the game. Jalen inadvertantly elbowed the Ev player in the throat . If the officials thought it was deliberate after viewing the replay, Jalen would have been ejected. The referees and the announcers on this game were awful. Austin Croshire (a former Pete Gillen player at Providence by the way, kept calling X eggsavier and correcting himself immediately afterwards. The two of them were so pro Evansville it was pathetic. And Marty Simmons. Damn that's a biggie boy.

[paulxu]

Thanks Ms. Blobfan!

I'm glad I didn't get a chance to see this game. It sounds from the thread like a real clunker.
I credit our ability to pull it out to your returning avatars.

Keep it up!

[XU2011]

This team is filled with a giant bunch of soft wimps. What happened to our once tough program? I bet Gladden guy knows. I want someone to zip someone up not get bullied all night. This sucks.

This. This program has become so soft.

[West is Best]

As soon as we don't have foul trouble, people start whining about a lack of toughness. Sports fans at their finest.

[XU2011]

Uh, no. I said we were a soft and mentally weak team after we cannot muster getting over a disappointing loss to #23 Iowa almost 2 weeks ago.

[gladdenguy]

Justin Martin actually had some big plays in the last 10 minutes.
I thought Philmore has improved ? Boy he looks bad.
Mack must not like Myles defense bc we need him on the floor offensively.
I think we will be lucky to finish .500 this year in a down year for the Big East. Gonna be a long year unless there are drastic changes.

[SemajParlor]

As soon as we don't have foul trouble, people start whining about a lack of toughness. Sports fans at their finest.

Same people who called for cleaning house and getting rid of the "gangsta" image are probably the same who say we aren't tough enough now.

[SemajParlor]

Atta way to save the game Justin Martin!

[Muskied]

I don't get the criticism that this team is soft....

I have seen way too many turn overs, averaging 14 per game. Perhaps some are weak with the ball including Dee Davis....However I don't really understand what folks are looking for. Stainbrook and Philmore just aren't going to beat most people to the ball...it's just not physically possible. They have to establish position, and when that doesn't happen, it's likely they will lose it. So I can see where the bigs aren't strong enough with positioning...but soft? I guess I don't understand what the specific criticism is...

[coasterville95]

I had a Christmas party to go to. Didn't get home to a TV until the final 10 minutes of the game.

Have it on DVR but it sounds like a prime candidate for "delete without viewing". Especially since I turned right to fox sports 1 upon getting home. and almost lost the dinner I had at the party.

[XUFan09]

I remember marveling at it during the game, but seeing the 15-rebound stat just reinforces it: Stainbrook was grabbing just about everything off the glass. He was struggling at times defensively, and he had a couple bad trips on the offensive end, but the rebounding dominance was significant. He was a big reason why Evansville was held to a 20.7% offensive rebounding rate, though he could have used a little more teammate help to boost Xavier's offensive rebounding rate (27.3%, 8% below their average).

I'm using rates rather than raw numbers, because they tell a more accurate story. Raw numbers are too influenced by the percentage of misses a team has, as the defense is on average more than twice as likely to grab the rebound than the offense. If you hold an opponent to a much lower shooting percentage (increasing the total number of potential defensive rebounds), you're much more likely to "out-rebound" them in terms of total numbers while the reality of the rebound battle could be very different:

Xavier did an excellent job on the defensive glass, holding a poor offensive rebounding team to a much lower rate than their already crappy average. They did a pretty poor job on the offensive glass, though, as already mentioned, when they were up against an average defensive rebounding team.

EDIT: Of course, we're dealing with a small sample size: Only two more offensive rebounds would have brought them up to Evansville's average allowed, and only one more beyond that would have brought them up to their own average on offensive boards. On the other end, only two more offensive boards would have brought Evansville up to their average and one beyond that would have led them to surpass Xavier's average allowed. One thing is pretty conclusive statistically: The original point that Stainbrook did a really good job on the glass.

[XUFan09]

I don't get the criticism that this team is soft....

I have seen way too many turn overs, averaging 14 per game. Perhaps some are weak with the ball including Dee Davis....However I don't really understand what folks are looking for. Stainbrook and Philmore just aren't going to beat most people to the ball...it's just not physically possible. They have to establish position, and when that doesn't happen, it's likely they will lose it. So I can see where the bigs aren't strong enough with positioning...but soft? I guess I don't understand what the specific criticism is...

It's interetsing with turnovers the past couple games. In the first halves of both games, they turned the ball over too many times (11 and 8, respectively). Then in the second halves of both games, they turned it over only three times. Whatever second-half adjustments are occurring, can we please see that for the whole game down the road? One thing is for sure, this shouldn't be a turnover-prone team against the usual halfcourt defense.

Overall, I'm happy they got the wins the past two games (obviously), but the process has been disappointing. It's good to see the team grit out some close wins (and make a comeback in this one), as that should be good experience and speaks to some qualities of this team. But, the team should not have been in that position in the first place against the low competition they have faced. They should not have let BG back in multiple times and they should not have been down for so much of the game against Evansville.

[OTRMUSKIE]

This isn't a bad team if they can develop an outside game. All teams have to do is lock down our inside game and we are screwed. Mack needs to start setting screens for M Davis and let him go to town. It's hard to believe but I think we really miss Stegner. Is it possible that maybe our last 5 games have been against the best 5 teams in basketball and we are just that good? :whack:

[Masterofreality]

I had a Christmas party to go to. Didn't get home to a TV until the final 10 minutes of the game.

Have it on DVR but it sounds like a prime candidate for "delete without viewing". Especially since I turned right to fox sports 1 upon getting home. and almost lost the dinner I had at the party.

Nah. It's worth watching for context. Much less emotional when you know the outcome.

[Masterofreality]

It's interetsing with turnovers the past couple games. In the first halves of both games, they turned the ball over too many times (11 and 8, respectively). Then in the second halves of both games, they turned it over only three times. Whatever second-half adjustments are occurring, can we please see that for the whole game down the road? One thing is for sure, this shouldn't be a turnover-prone team against the usual halfcourt defense.

Overall, I'm happy they got the wins the past two games (obviously), but the process has been disappointing. It's good to see the team grit out some close wins (and make a comeback in this one), as that should be good experience and speaks to some qualities of this team. But, the team should not have been in that position in the first place against the low competition they have faced. They should not have let BG back in multiple times and they should not have been down for so much of the game against Evansville.

What is really interesting to me is that we had 11 turnovers in the first half when we tried to play a half court, grind it out game, then only 3 in the second half when we tried to speed up with the press.

Sometimes, I think that CMack gets way too enthraled with the fixation to always pound the ball into the post and there isn't enough fluid movement. Guys stand around and pass up shots, the.n bad passes ensue. I really hope that when both Amos and Stinger get back, the depth will allow us to press more and speed things up.

[Titanxman04]

What is really interesting to me is that we had 11 turnovers in the first half when we tried to play a half court, grind it out game, then only 3 in the second half when we tried to speed up with the press.

Sometimes, I think that CMack gets way too enthraled with the fixation to always pound the ball into the post and there isn't enough fluid movement. Guys stand around and pass up shots, the.n bad passes ensue. I really hope that when both Amos and Stinger get back, the depth will allow us to press more and speed things up.

Evansville did so much off-ball movement compared to us. It was interesting watching the two different styles. X seems very still throughout their half-court offense, with hoping that guard play dominates and we can jsut break them down off the dribble. Where as Evansville was so unselfish off-ball, moving constantly, setting screens, and never standing still. It was wearing us down quite a bit.

[GoMuskies]

Our FT defense saved us in the second half.

[boozehound]

Justin Martin actually had some big plays in the last 10 minutes.
I thought Philmore has improved ? Boy he looks bad.
Mack must not like Myles defense bc we need him on the floor offensively.
I think we will be lucky to finish .500 this year in a down year for the Big East. Gonna be a long year unless there are drastic changes.

I thought the same thing. Philmore still looks lost out there, and he has cinder blocks for hands. He can convert a dump off, but that's about not. I'm really hoping Reynolds and Farr can improve fast. I would love to see them take some of Philmore's minutes. I think both players have a much higher ceiling.

I just don't think Philmore has a ton of talent. He looks like he should be strong but often plays week and gets pushed around. He isn't particularly strong with the ball in his hands. He isn't particularly athletic. I was hoping for a Travis Taylor-esque turnaround from him, but I don't think that's going to happen.

[boozehound]

Evansville did so much off-ball movement compared to us. It was interesting watching the two different styles. X seems very still throughout their half-court offense, with hoping that guard play dominates and we can jsut break them down off the dribble. Where as Evansville was so unselfish off-ball, moving constantly, setting screens, and never standing still. It was wearing us down quite a bit.

Agree. I'm not really sure exactly what Mack's offensive 'philosophy' is, but it seems to involve a lot of standing around and then relying on someone to beat his man one-on-one, either a guard driving on the perimeter or a center posting up with his back to the basket. I'm not great at identifying and understanding different types of offense in basketball though, so I could be wrong here.

[Masterofreality]

Our FT defense saved us in the second half.

Yeah, an 89% FT shooter misses two in the last minute.

[danaandvictory]

Agree. I'm not really sure exactly what Mack's offensive 'philosophy' is, but it seems to involve a lot of standing around and then relying on someone to beat his man one-on-one, either a guard driving on the perimeter or a center posting up with his back to the basket. I'm not great at identifying and understanding different types of offense in basketball though, so I could be wrong here.

The halfcourt offense last night was completely stagnant. The only dynamism they show is when Semaj attacks, and for whatever reason they seem to want to put Semaj off the ball and let Davis/Randolph run the offense. It's a problem.

[ammtd34]

The halfcourt offense last night was completely stagnant. The only dynamism they show is when Semaj attacks, and for whatever reason they seem to want to put Semaj off the ball and let Davis/Randolph run the offense. It's a problem.

Yep, yet some are calling for Semaj to stay off the ball.

[danaandvictory]

Yep, yet some are calling for Semaj to stay off the ball.

I mean, if it's me I probably rotate Myles and Dee at the 2 and have them spend most of their time spotting up. I still have confidence in Dee's perimeter shot. You can play with having a big lineup with Martin at the 3 or a small lineup with Randolph in the game (and Semaj guarding the 3 on defense), but to me Semaj needs the ball in his hands. When we were honking the lead against BG it seemed like X went 4-5 possessions without Semaj attacking. That makes zero sense to me.

[chico]

The problem last night was Evansville packed it in when Christon had the ball. Every time he tried to drive there were 3 guys in his way. Now he's good, but not so good that he can get through 3 big bodies waiting for him in the lane. Our bigs need to be more of a threat to score, because they weren't getting much respect last night.

[sgarcia]

I don't know if it's been said on here but thank you to whoever on this board personally told Semaj to bend his knees when he shoots free throws. I have full confidence he will now shoot at least 75% of the year and we need if when he will go to the line 10 times a game. Glad one free throw problem has been taken care of.

[ammtd34]

The problem last night was Evansville packed it in when Christon had the ball. Every time he tried to drive there were 3 guys in his way. Now he's good, but not so good that he can get through 3 big bodies waiting for him in the lane. Our bigs need to be more of a threat to score, because they weren't getting much respect last night.

In the last 10 minutes, though, he was getting the ball higher above the 3 line and drew foul after foul after foul. In the first half, he was catching the ball as part of the offense and had no room to operate. If he gets the ball high - whether they are packed in or not - he's going to score with the way fouls are being called (assuming he continues shooting 70-75%).

[chico]

In the last 10 minutes, though, he was getting the ball higher above the 3 line and drew foul after foul after foul. In the first half, he was catching the ball as part of the offense and had no room to operate. If he gets the ball high - whether they are packed in or not - he's going to score with the way fouls are being called (assuming he continues shooting 70-75%).

I like him getting the ball higher but I think a big part of the improved play in the second half was the increase in intensity and aggressiveness. The team was sleepwalking in the first half.

I still think we need our bigs to be more of a threat offensively. Stainbrook, along with having some moves around the basket, is an especially good passer out of the post and getting him the ball down low helps a great deal.

[X-band '01]

Our FT defense saved us in the second half.

And Semaj was more clutch from the free throw line last night and during the closing seconds of the Bowling Green game. Sometimes I'm not sure what to expect from the team.

Last year, Xavier probably loses one of those two games, if not both (see Vanderbilt and Wofford home losses).

[XUFan09]

Had a few thoughts about the game, ended up turning into a full blog post (http://fromstaaktomack.wordpress.com/2013/12/11/post-evansville-a-few-thoughts/). Hopefully I can consistently get posts out there again.

[xu82]

Originally Posted by coasterville95
I had a Christmas party to go to. Didn't get home to a TV until the final 10 minutes of the game.

Have it on DVR but it sounds like a prime candidate for "delete without viewing". Especially since I turned right to fox sports 1 upon getting home. and almost lost the dinner I had at the party.

Uh, were the students required to attend the Christmas party with you? Were they diligently getting ready for Finals? I am usually watching on TV and haven't been to a game in 2-3 years and I was surprised by the lack of students. Was this typical or is there some explanation. Sadly, I never let finals (or anything else) get in the way when there was something fun to do......

[xu82]

Delirious after a long ride home.... didn't see a thread about this very topic. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks it's an issue.

[SemajParlor]

Not for nothing but how about the Balentine kid? He could play for a lot of top tier schools in the country.

[X-band '01]

Remember their duo of Balentine and Mockevicius? They're about 6 minutes away from a miracle comeback and an NCAA bid 2 years later.

[GoMuskies]

Remember their duo of Balentine and Mockevicius? They're about 6 minutes away from a miracle comeback and an NCAA bid 2 years later.

Didn't happen.

[XUFan09]

Mockevicius has been the national leader in total rebounding rate for the last two years, both times by a good margin.

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[GoMuskies]

I think Evansville's coach has been the national leader in BMI since Majerus died.

[muethibp]

I think Evansville's coach has been the national leader in BMI since Majerus died.

There should be a delay function to make sure people actually want to post something like this.

[GoMuskies]

There should be a delay function to make sure people actually want to post something like this.

15 minutes later...still okay with it.

[Masterofreality]

I think Evansville's coach has been the national leader in BMI since Majerus died.

I need to go back and pull a tape of an XU - Evansville game when Simmons was playing. I doubt he was as "thick" then.

[XUMIOH12]

I think Evansville's coach has been the national leader in BMI since Majerus died.

hahaha i commented to my friend about how fat that guy is

[UCGRAD4X]

I think Evansville's coach has been the national leader in BMI since Majerus died.

Still think ol' Huggy Bear has him beat.

[SemajParlor]

Could not believe Balentine was still playing.