Dilly Presents: Chris Mack Coach's Show December 2, 2013

[Muskie]

Ch Chris Mack Coach's Show
Time: 7:00 P.M.
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This show is going to be an interesting one.

[GoMuskies]

Bob Huggins would send one of his assistants to do the radio show after a week like we just had.

[Kahns Krazy]

Do you guys really think it will be all that interesting? Mack isn't going to say anything private. I think the only possible insight from this show will be "how pissy are the fans". There is no real mystery that our team was as lost as the mythical Atlantis this weekend. Other than that, I expect the typical Q&A with nothing really said that we don't already know.

[danaandvictory]

There's nothing that Mack can say that will satisfy the people that are waiting to hear what he will say.

[dabott]

There's nothing that Mack can say that will satisfy the people that are waiting to hear what he will say.

A great Xavier fan once told me she felt it was more important to come out and support the team during the tough times and that's why I know the loyal muskie fans will be at dilly tonight showing support to Chris. These holiday tournaments are a crap shoot and Xavier's roll wasn't favorable this time around. They played a great game vs a very good Iowa team and if Matt's one footer goes in we may very well be talking about Xavier's play in the championship game of the Battle for Atlantis. Playing in the Big East now lessens the importance of getting w's in these expempt events and this team will have many more chances to prove themselves and I am confident they will make us all very proud again sooner than later. So if you aren't doing anyting tonight you should come out to the show and help us create a positive atmosphere as we know this team is better than what they showed this weekend.

[xudash]

Does Dilly accept casino chips?

[dabott]

Does Dilly accept casino chips?

Ha. The Ohio liquor control board might frown on that :).

[paulxu]

If Blobfan shows up, tell her to PM me. We need to have a chat about Atlantis and the avatar streak. And soon, too.

[mohr5150]

Bob Huggins would send one of his assistants to do the radio show after a week like we just had.

I guess Bob Huggins is our coach now. Mack sent an assistant tonight. Very disappointing move unless there was a damn good reason.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe he didn't want to be seen out at a restaurant until 8 at night to quell the perception that he's out having fun while he should be working.

But yeah, I think that's pretty weak unless there's more to it.

[XU3232]

I guess Bob Huggins is our coach now. Mack sent an assistant tonight. Very disappointing move unless there was a damn good reason.

Supposedly he is still not back from the Bahamas. He came back with the family instead of the team and they couldn't fly.

[Masterofreality]

Supposedly he is still not back from the Bahamas. He came back with the family instead of the team and they couldn't fly.

Well, if there was no practice scheduled today or yesterday, which I believe was the case, can't blame the guy for sticking around the Bahamas for an estra day or two with the family. Off days during the season are hard to find.

[casualfan]

Supposedly he is still not back from the Bahamas. He came back with the family instead of the team and they couldn't fly.

What do you mean they couldn't fly?

[XU3232]

Well, if there was no practice scheduled today or yesterday, which I believe was the case, can't blame the guy for sticking around the Bahamas for an estra day or two with the family. Off days during the season are hard to find.

Yeah I agree. Since his daughters don't have passports they had to travel partially by ocean (apparently you don't need a passport for this) so I'm sure it's taking them a while.

[Masterofreality]

What do you mean they couldn't fly?

Something about passports for his daughters that you would need if you flew but wouldn't need if you took a boat back to the States. Then they were supposedly flying back from Fort Lauderdale.


"Minors traveling unaccompanied or accompanied by a guardian or chaperone:

What is required to enter The Bahamas may vary greatly from what is required o re-enter the country of origin.* In general a child under 16 years of age may travel into the Bahamas merely with proof of citizenship. Proof of citizenship is a raised seal birth certificate and preferably a government issued photo ID if on a closed loop cruise or a U.S. passport if entering by air or private vessel."

A "closed loop cruise" is one on a non-private boat that departs and re-docks from the same port. This one being Port Everglades at Fort Lauderdale.

[XU3232]

What do you mean they couldn't fly?

They could fly... Just not directly out of the Bahamas into the US due to his daughters not having passports.

[casualfan]

They could fly... Just not directly out of the Bahamas into the US due to his daughters not having passports.

This may be a stupid question, but how do you fly to the Bahamas from the US without a passport?

[XU3232]

This may be a stupid question, but how do you fly to the Bahamas from the US without a passport?

You can't. I believe they flew to Ft Lauderdale and then traveled by ocean into the Bahamas.

[GoMuskies]

Not that I care all that much...but whey didn't they just, you know, get passports? The trip wasn't exactly a surprise.

[coasterville95]

And, I have to wonder - how does a man like Chris Mack not realize let alone make sure his children have the necessary travel papers. Then again, after that tournament, that move is sounding genius in hindsight. He gets to decompress away from the team in the privacy of his family without the team or media around. The added bonus of a mini family vacation is also a nice touch.

And agreed, if CasinoGate is an issue, they aren't going to shout it on 55KRC unless the school wanted to make a disciplinary point IF anything, they would merely say it was a team rules issue.

And our coach has been compared to Bob Huggins, just great.

In other news - the Marquette team was seen spending valuable time at their exempt tournament riding roller coasters. Oh, the shame. :)

[XU3232]

Not that I care all that much...but whey didn't they just, you know, get passports? The trip wasn't exactly a surprise.

Great question. I'm guessing they just waited until the last minute and it ended up being too late.

[coasterville95]

Not that I care all that much...but whey didn't they just, you know, get passports? The trip wasn't exactly a surprise.

Go, didn't you hear, the Battle from Atlantis came as a total surprise. Coach showed up to our Abeline Christian game, saw the Battle for Atlantis logo on the Cintas floor, and though the tournament was at Cintas. He was just too busy coaching up the team to pick up a schedule card off the marketing table before a home game.

[casualfan]

Not that I care all that much...but whey didn't they just, you know, get passports? The trip wasn't exactly a surprise.

Like you said it doesn't really matter, but this whole thing seems odd.

If you figured out a way to get there without a passport why not take that way home? If you were going to get passports to get home, why not get them before you left.

Oh well. The icing on the cake of a trip I think we all hope to forget.

[XUFan09]

Not that I care all that much...but whey didn't they just, you know, get passports? The trip wasn't exactly a surprise.

Without knowing anything, I bet it was one of those things where they were so used to already having passports for themselves, they didn't remember for awhile that their kids had never had one. Then suddenly the "Oh, shit," moment came, but passports take weeks to process sometimes.

[LA Muskie]

Not that I care all that much...but whey didn't they just, you know, get passports? The trip wasn't exactly a surprise.
This was covered during the Iowa game. They have been to the Bahamas via cruise several times but had never flown there and didn't realize that to fly in the kids needed passports.

[Lamont Sanford]

Sorry guys, but not buying the excuse.

What did the assistant (I assume it was Steele or Rick Carter) have to say then? Any explanations offered?

[LA Muskie]

Like you said it doesn't really matter, but this whole thing seems odd.

If you figured out a way to get there without a passport why not take that way home? If you were going to get passports to get home, why not get them before you left.

Oh well. The icing on the cake of a trip I think we all hope to forget.
Because the cruise apparently went VERY badly (as in mom and the kids got extremely sea sick).

[paulxu]

I'd go by boat instead of flying home with the Tennessee team too.

[dabott]

Like you said it doesn't really matter, but this whole thing seems odd.

If you figured out a way to get there without a passport why not take that way home? If you were going to get passports to get hom, why not get them before you left.

Oh well. The icing on the cake of a trip I think we all hope top forget.

The story at Dilly was the boat ride was such an awful experience for multiple reasons to the Bahamas that they were flat out not going to go that route back. They had to go to an Embassy today to get their travel credentials and Chris stayed with his family as a good Dad would to make sure all went well. Sure we all would have preferred Chris was here but it was actually fun meeting the assistants tonight and hearing their perspectives. It still seemed everyone here had a great time and we had another great crowd which we here at Dilly greatly appreciate!

[LA Muskie]

Sorry guys, but not buying the excuse.

What did the assistant (I assume it was Steele or Rick Carter) have to say then? Any explanations offered?

Christi and the girls had to take a cruise out of Fort Lauderdale to get there on Thursday when they learned on Tuesday that the girls needed (but did not have) passports. The cruise went VERY badly -- as in Christi and the girls got very sea sick. Chris didn't want to leave them to do that again on their own, so he decided to travel back with them. They were waiting for expedited passports to arrive so that they could fly home.

My aren't we all the conspiracy theorists today...

PS: I too have taken a "cruise" from Fort Lauderdale to the Bahamas (Spring Break senior year). It was a horrible experience for me as well. I turned green and basically passed out on the deck of the ship. And no -- at that point I hadn't had a sip of alcohol. I do not have sea legs...

[GoMuskies]

didn't realize that to fly in the kids needed passports.

Ha, this is the worst trip of Chris Mack's life. That's honestly kind of embarrassing, and I wouldn't want the whole world to know about it if I did something like this.

[paulxu]

Passportgate.

[LA Muskie]

Ha, this is the worst trip of Chris Mack's life. That's honestly kind of embarrassing, and I wouldn't want the whole world to know about it if I did something like this.

Agreed. Although I suspect that's the least of Chris's worries right now...

[RealDeal]

Worst coaches show thread ever.

[LA Muskie]

Worst coaches show thread ever.
Sadly there's not much else to discuss. As you might imagine, the assistants were not as comfortable being candid and direct as Chris would be. I'm sure it was nice seeing (and hearing) them live as it's an opportunity to get to know them better. (With the exception of Travis, I don't think I'd ever heard any of their voices before.) But it was pretty lacking in substance, and Joe and Byron weren't inclined to ask them tough questions or push them for answers.

[RealDeal]

Sadly there's not much else to discuss. As you might imagine, the assistants were not as comfortable being candid and direct as Chris would be. I'm sure it was nice seeing (and hearing) them live as it's an opportunity to get to know them better. (With the exception of Travis, I don't think I'd ever heard any of their voices before.) But it was pretty lacking in substance, and Joe and Byron weren't inclined to ask them tough questions or push them for answers.

I only managed to hear about 15 min, but hearing that Myles is always in the gym working and Semaj needs to knock off the junk food was 1,000 times more interesting than this thread.

[drudy23]

And, I have to wonder - how does a man like Chris Mack not realize let alone make sure his children have the necessary travel papers. Then again, after that tournament, that move is sounding genius in hindsight. He gets to decompress away from the team in the privacy of his family without the team or media around. The added bonus of a mini family vacation is also a nice touch.

And agreed, if CasinoGate is an issue, they aren't going to shout it on 55KRC unless the school wanted to make a disciplinary point IF anything, they would merely say it was a team rules issue.

And our coach has been compared to Bob Huggins, just great.

In other news - the Marquette team was seen spending valuable time at their exempt tournament riding roller coasters. Oh, the shame. :)

I've obviously missed something but have seen it reference a couple times...what is Casino Gate?

[paulxu]

They should have invited Gladden as a guest announcer.
That would have spiced up Dilly a bit.

[LadyMuskie]

Ha, this is the worst trip of Chris Mack's life. That's honestly kind of embarrassing, and I wouldn't want the whole world to know about it if I did something like this.

No kidding.

[LadyMuskie]

I've obviously missed something but have seen it reference a couple times...what is Casino Gate?

Some of the players (I forget who) were supposedly in the casino until 2 am (which may or may not have been after curfew) before our abysmal performance against USC. Although, in retrospect, if the players were in the casino past curfew, it might have been because their coach was distracted by the fact that he had to figure out a way to get his kids home because he's been living under a rock and didn't know children need passports. (sigh) I'm not really sure at this point if this trip could possibly get any worse. I'm guessing the rest of the season is going to make this trip look like a blip on the radar screen.

[delynn10]

Some of the players (I forget who) were supposedly in the casino until 2 am (which may or may not have been after curfew) before our abysmal performance against USC. Although, in retrospect, if the players were in the casino past curfew, it might have been because their coach was distracted by the fact that he had to figure out a way to get his kids home because he's been living under a rock and didn't know children need passports. (sigh) I'm not really sure at this point if this trip could possibly get any worse. I'm guessing the rest of the season is going to make this trip look like a blip on the radar screen.


Has anybody really verified this? I was there, but not in the casino very late Friday night. Played blackjack for a few minutes last night with an X fan who was in the casino late that night and he did not see them. Not to say they weren't there, but the casino isn't very big. The guy did see some reserve USC players.

[LA Muskie]

I only managed to hear about 15 min, but hearing that Myles is always in the gym working and Semaj needs to knock off the junk food was 1,000 times more interesting than this thread.

Well the first half of this is true. The second half is a bit if jumping to conclusions. Though Travis did imply that Semaj's problems were partly on him.

[RealDeal]

Well the first half of this is true. The second half is a bit if jumping to conclusions. Though Travis did imply that Semaj's problems were partly on him.

People can listen and decide for themselves.

[LadyMuskie]

Has anybody really verified this? I was there, but not in the casino very late Friday night. Played blackjack for a few minutes last night with an X fan who was in the casino late that night and he did not see them. Not to say they weren't there, but the casino isn't very big. The guy did see some reserve USC players.

I have no idea which is why I said "supposedly".

[Masterofreality]

Well, the most incisive question to me was when Byron asked Travis Steele what it would take for JMart to be more consistent. Steele didn't pull punches and said that Justin's practice habits had to become more consistent....that he had to bring effort every day and not just sometimes.

Sounds a lot like what we've been saying. This kid's focus is not always there.

[blueblood]

Not that I care all that much...but whey didn't they just, you know, get passports? The trip wasn't exactly a surprise.

I heard from a reliable source that they applied for passports but the clearinghouse didn't accept a couple of their kindergarten classes and they ended up as non-qualifiers.

[xavierj]

I just realized that some people on this board need to get a life. I would have done the same thing. Guys I hate to break it to you but some things are more important than a coaches show. No wonder dating sites find it important to slam ads down our throats during college basketball games. Has anything important every come out of a coaches show? You guys sound like lance Gose.

[GIMMFD]

I heard from a reliable source that they applied for passports but the clearinghouse didn't accept a couple of their kindergarten classes and they ended up as non-qualifiers.

Public reps.

Also shouldn't we have a nutritionist staying on top of Semaj and his diet or something? Serious question, do we have a nutritionist?

[wkrq59]

Being old and curious I have a question? Don't you have to be over age 21 to even enter the doors of a casino? Let's see, Stainbeck, Martin and Philmore should be our over 21s.. I know the last time I was in Las Vegas it was summertime and the teams for that big quasi amateur (aka AAU) tournament they have out there were all over Caesar's Palace, but none of them got so much as near the entrances to the casino. Same at the Hiltons and elsewhere. Seems those licenses are very important. I'm also quite sure that the organizers of the tournaments where casinos are located adjacent to the tourney sites have to guarantee the NCAA etc that none of the lil darlings will be allowed in the casinos even if some of them are 21+ But please remember, Xavier basketball fans, there are two universal truths about Musketeer basketball:
1) Someone must always be held accountable, and definitely BLAMED for any failure. 2)A coach that some of us don't like (not naming names) must be blamed and held to ridicule. It's just our way, at least some of us.

:lmao::ninja::thumbsdown::dunno:

[GoMuskies]

In Atlantis, I would assume the casino age is 18 or 19, not 21. 21 is a very US standard.

[delynn10]

Yep, 18 in the Bahamas. I had my 18 year son with me and come to think of it, he wasn't carded at the blackjack table. Hmnn..., maybe gambling with a college freshman wasn't the best parenting in the world.

The second day of the tournament, a TN fan had heard that an X assistant coach's kids didn't have passports and that is why the teams were delayed in arriving, interesting that it was coach Mack. "Supposedly" the TN team sat on the plane for 3 hours waiting on X after arriving in Cincinnati to pick them up.

[casualfan]

The second day of the tournament, a TN fan had heard that an X assistant coach's kids didn't have passports and that is why the teams were delayed in arriving, interesting that it was coach Mack. "Supposedly" the TN team sat on the plane for 3 hours waiting on X after arriving in Cincinnati to pick them up.

It's funny you bring this up, one of my best high school buddies has some ties to the UT program and out of the blue texted me something very similar.

Said UT was not pleased with how it all happened.

I just can't wait for the BG game so we can get a W and get some of this crap behind us.

[cutterX]

The second day of the tournament, a TN fan had heard that an X assistant coach's kids didn't have passports and that is why the teams were delayed in arriving, interesting that it was coach Mack. "Supposedly" the TN team sat on the plane for 3 hours waiting on X after arriving in Cincinnati to pick them up.[/QUOTE]

If this is true TN certainly took out their revenge on the court! Sitting on a plane for three hours waiting on someone would make me wanna kick somebody's ass, who better than the person (team) causing the delay!

[paulxu]

Passportgate plot thickens.

[LA Muskie]

They definitely sat on the plane and waited. It was mentioned on the show yesterday. Only question is the reason: Mack or weather.

[Xman95]

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw the Mack family pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

[nuts4xu]

My son is 6 years old, and has has a passport for 4 years. He has it mostly to travel to Canada, as we have routinely taken a trip there for vacation in the summer. I can't for the life of me understand why the Macks wouldn't have already had passports for their kids. They travel extensively, and it is a bit surprising they haven't taken those girls out of the country, even to Mexico. I would have thought they would have the passports just in case they wanted to fly somewhere with short notice. Plus, this trip was scheduled for a long time and I can't believe no one told them they should fly there with a passport as opposed to taking the boat there.

At any rate, I don't see any reason to worry about the Macks extending their time in the Bahamas for whatever reason. I don't care if Mack showed up at the coach's show or not, but being out of the country is a VERY good reason to ask me.

[XBR1]

Yep, 18 in the Bahamas. I had my 18 year son with me and come to think of it, he wasn't carded at the blackjack table. Hmnn..., maybe gambling with a college freshman wasn't the best parenting in the world.

The second day of the tournament, a TN fan had heard that an X assistant coach's kids didn't have passports and that is why the teams were delayed in arriving, interesting that it was coach Mack. "Supposedly" the TN team sat on the plane for 3 hours waiting on X after arriving in Cincinnati to pick them up.

Wow.

[danaandvictory]

I don't think they really needed it, but that sort of thing probably gave UT a little extra motivation to mudhole X on Friday.

[Muskie]

I'm pretty sure the Mack children can go to the Bahamas (assuming they arrive with a parent or Guardian) with just proof of citizenship. I'm not sure they need a passport, if they have a birth certificate for instance. I think it also matters how they get there (air, sea).

**as a side note I can't believe I contributed to passportgate.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Passports? We're talking about passports??? Not the game, but passports?!?!

[X-band '01]

Have we really sunk so low to the point where we're debating a head coach's family matters? I cannot for the life of me see Chris Mack logging on to here to warn other posters to get passports for their families.

[LA Muskie]

Plus, this trip was scheduled for a long time and I can't believe no one told them they should fly there with a passport as opposed to taking the boat there.

They always planned to fly. They just didn't realize the kids needed passports. The boat was a solution not the plan.

[nuts4xu]

I'm pretty sure the Mack children can go to the Bahamas (assuming they arrive with a parent or Guardian) with just proof of citizenship. I'm not sure they need a passport, if they have a birth certificate for instance. I think it also matters how they get there (air, sea).



There is a difference if they arrive by land/sea or if they arrive by plane. If you travel by boat or car, you can usually get by with a birth certificate and legal guardian. I took a cruise to the Bahamas in 2009, and my buddy didn't have a passport, and had no issues getting into or out of the Bahamas. If you fly into the area, they are much more strict. We were told we needed passports if we flew directly into the Bahamas, but not if we traveled by boat.

Canada changed their rules in the past few years, and now require a minor to have a passport even if traveling by land. And if both parents aren't traveling with the child, customs usually has extra questions for the parent that is there (like where is the other parent).

[drudy23]

Have we really sunk so low to the point where we're debating a head coach's family matters? I cannot for the life of me see Chris Mack logging on to here to warn other posters to get passports for their families.

Well, to be completely honest, there hasn't been much to discuss from a basketball sense in the last two years...we've been awful.

[GoMuskies]

Have we really sunk so low to the point where we're debating a head coach's family matters?

Completely avoidable family matters that cause him to miss work? Sure.

[nuts4xu]

Have we really sunk so low to the point where we're debating a head coach's family matters? I cannot for the life of me see Chris Mack logging on to here to warn other posters to get passports for their families.

Well if they plan to fly to the Bahamas, he damn well better warn everyone he knows. If it can happen to the Mack Family, it can happen to anyone.

[xeus]

Does anyone know how Chris and family will be getting home from CVG? Did they leave a car at FastPark? Will they take a cab? Is Mario picking them up? It's times like this we could really use light rail on the 71 corridor.

[Muskie]

Completely avoidable family matters that cause him to miss work? Sure.
He's missing a radio show. That's something "extra" in his contract. It would be a huge deal if he missed a game.
Frankly I applaud him for sticking with his family to deal with it. There are certainly some out there who would have took a plane back and let their spouse figure it out.

[GoMuskies]

He's missing a radio show.

Yeah, that's part of his job. It's not a huge deal, but it IS missing work, and it WAS completely avoidable.

Really, it's more embarrassing than anything, and I've certainly done similarly stupid things, and I'm glad they weren't as well publicized.

[Muskie]

Yeah, that's part of his job. It's not a huge deal, but it IS missing work, and it WAS completely avoidable.

Really, it's more embarrassing than anything, and I've certainly done similarly stupid things, and I'm glad they weren't as well publicized.

I suppose it was avoidable. But again. Kudos for staying with his family to get the issue straightened out.

[GoMuskies]

Kudos for staying with his family to get the issue straightened out.

This reminds me of a Chris Rock bit about wanting credit for things you're supposed to do.

Though I guess in fairness if I had a work obligation I probably would have gotten on the plane and not felt too bad about leaving my family behind at one of the nicer resorts in the world.

[blobfan]

If Blobfan shows up, tell her to PM me. We need to have a chat about Atlantis and the avatar streak. And soon, too.
I was violently ill right after Thanksgiving dinner. VIOLENTLY. I did not start thinking about basketball until Saturday afternoon, by which time it was too late. However, I'm not sure the power of my avatar can overcome cramps, junk food and late nights at a casino

...At any rate, I don't see any reason to worry about the Macks extending their time in the Bahamas for whatever reason. I don't care if Mack showed up at the coach's show or not, but being out of the country is a VERY good reason to ask me.--This

Let's see how we do after a few Big East games before we declare the season a loss, shall we? I seem to remember a year not too long ago when we started .500 and ended up going pretty far in the tourney. I believe it's known as "The Run." After that year, I try not to lose hope until it's all over.

[GoMuskies]

I seem to remember a year not too long ago when we started .500 and ended up going pretty far in the tourney. I believe it's known as "The Run." After that year, I try not to lose hope until it's all over.

That was 10 years ago. I say that not to dispute your example but because I cannot believe how long ago that was. Seems much more recent.

[casualfan]

That was 10 years ago. I say that not to dispute your example but because I cannot believe how long ago that was. Seems much more recent.

In a much, much less daunting conference.

It's by no means time to panic, but we need to get the ship righted and soon. Too many good teams in this conference to bank on making a run in conference play.

[paulxu]

I was violently ill right after Thanksgiving dinner. VIOLENTLY. I did not start thinking about basketball until Saturday afternoon, by which time it was too late. However, I'm not sure the power of my avatar can overcome cramps, junk food and late nights at a casino

Yikes. Hope you are OK. (bad turkey or too much bourbon?)

NEVER underestimate the power of your streak. Respect the streak. (Remember...you were 5-0). Glad you're back.

[LadyMuskie]

At least, if nothing else, we didn't make an entire plane full of people deplane because our charter plane was grounded and we needed to get to Connecticut. So, while we may have casino gate and passport gate, at least we didn't anger a lot more people and don't have airplane gate to deal with!

Link (http://www.buzzfeed.com/bml/worst-airline-ever-cancels-entire-flight-so-college-basketba)

[xeus]

This reminds me of a Chris Rock bit about wanting credit for things you're supposed to do.


I love the "Diversity Day" episode of The Office when Michael Scott does that bit.

[X-band '01]

At least, if nothing else, we didn't make an entire plane full of people deplane because our charter plane was grounded and we needed to get to Connecticut. So, while we may have casino gate and passport gate, at least we didn't anger a lot more people and don't have airplane gate to deal with!

Link (http://www.buzzfeed.com/bml/worst-airline-ever-cancels-entire-flight-so-college-basketba)

I see you working here. Trying to piss me off with gate after gate, but it's not going to work.

As to your link itself, I wonder how Delta wound up bumping people off of a commercial flight when Florida's charter (which I don't think was run by Delta) was the plane with mechanical issues. They were likely afraid they'd look even worse if Florida had to either postpone or cancel the game because of their charter being grounded.

[zeuph1998]

The team goes 0-3 in the Bahamas and "passport gate" becomes a MAJOR issue.
The team goes 3-0 in the Bahamas and everyone makes jokes and laughs about "passport gate".
In reality "passport gate" should probably land square in the middle of the two reactions. Lets get back on the court and start winning games so the Bahamas can be put behind us.

Z

[vee4xu]

Whew, tough crowd. Glad some of you aren't my boss. I have a bunch of folks who work for me and when family matters arise, I tell them "family first". From my perspective, nothing is more important than family. To me, the issue is legitimacy not if the situation was avoidable. I've had pretty good success using this principle over the past 20 years.

[GoMuskies]

Whew, tough crowd. Glad some of you aren't my boss. I have a bunch of folks who work for me and when family matters arise, I tell them "family first". From my perspective, nothing is more important than family. To me, the issue is legitimacy not if the situation was avoidable. I've had pretty good success using this principle over the past 20 years.

Yes, "family first", but also "next time don't be such a dumbass."

[xubrew]

In a much, much less daunting conference.

It's by no means time to panic, but we need to get the ship righted and soon. Too many good teams in this conference to bank on making a run in conference play.

Actually the Atlantic Ten was pretty strong that year. They sent four teams to the NCAAs, two to the Elite Eight, and Saint Joseph's finished the year ranked #1.


I've had experiences where I simply did not know things that everyone else on the planet seemingly knew. The first time I traveled abroad, I bought my ticket and then a week or so later went to get my passport. I didn't realize it didn't work the same way a driver's license did. I just thought you showed up, got it made, and left. I didn't know it took six weeks. Talk about a high anxiety situation. I was calling anyone and everyone begging for help. It turns out someone I worked with at the time knew someone else who worked for the local congressman, and she was able to get it processed for me in time. Barely.

It was embarrassing. It was stupid. I'm very fortunate that I did not piss away a thousand bucks on an airline ticket that I would not have been able to use. But, now I know. I won't make that mistake again. It now seems idiotic to not know that, but at the time, I'd never traveled abroad before.

[GoMuskies]

I've had experiences where I simply did not know things that everyone else on the planet seemingly knew....It was embarrassing. It was stupid.


We all have, and it is embarrassing and stupid. We're generally just fortunate enough that a smaller group of people know about the stupid, embarrassing things we do.

[Xman95]

Actually the Atlantic Ten was pretty strong that year. They sent four teams to the NCAAs, two to the Elite Eight, and Saint Joseph's finished the year ranked #1.

Yup, they were ranked #1 when a team from Cincy put an absolute ass-whoopin' on them in the A10 Tourney. That game was awesome!

[wkrq59]

Whew, tough crowd. Glad some of you aren't my boss. I have a bunch of folks who work for me and when family matters arise, I tell them "family first". From my perspective, nothing is more important than family. To me, the issue is legitimacy not if the situation was avoidable. I've had pretty good success using this principle over the past 20 years.

Vee, you make too damned much sense. Plese don't let it happen again. Just remember, what you said always will demand a BUUUUTTTT. The three-game tournament was just that, three games. Now, next time you come to Cincinnati, stop by my house and I'll buy you a beer. Wadda you drink?

[Fireball]

As one who just got his first passport this past summer, I can completely understand how the Macks might not have known about needing a passport for the kids. I didn't know anything about passport laws and procedures until my wife did the research to find out what we needed for our trip to Cancun.

It was a bad weekend and everyone's grumpy, so I guess that's why we have spent too much time discussing this. Hopefully getting a couple more wins in the books will ease everyone's mood.

[SemajParlor]

The board might have reached a new low.

[Masterofreality]

The board might have reached a new low.

Nah. If you want to see real lows go to the other board. There are some folks with real issues over there.

[LA Muskie]

I think CasinoGate is a crock of sh!t. So this doesn't really apply to me. But if you subscribe to CasinoGate then you should be just as pissed at Mack leaving the team for 3 days to venture back with his family. This wasn't a family vacation for him any more than it was winter break for the kids. It was a business trip. And if having the family was going to be a distraction (it may well have been -- it certainly was AFTER the tourney) then maybe they shouldn't have come when they learned that they couldn't fly.

[vee4xu]

Vee, you make too damned much sense. Plese don't let it happen again. Just remember, what you said always will demand a BUUUUTTTT. The three-game tournament was just that, three games. Now, next time you come to Cincinnati, stop by my house and I'll buy you a beer. Wadda you drink?

That would be awesome. I like dark beers, but will drink anything available in the house.

[X-band '01]

Nah. If you want to see real lows go to the other board. There are some folks with real issues over there.

Why, are people sneaking into Muskieman's office computer again to bitch and moan on the board?

[coasterville95]

At the risk of sounding like a cold heartless bastard right around the holidays - I have to agree, the minute Mack's family became a distraction they should have been left at home.

For one - it made us look very unprofessional making Tennessee wait for us to settle our coach'a kids issues. That's mid major.

I don't take my family when work sends me on a convention trip.

[Fireball]

I don't take my family when work sends me on a convention trip.

Neither do I, but never does my company send me on a work trip over Thanksgiving.

[Cheesehead]

Wait, you honestly expected Mack to leave his family at home? I know if my job sent me to the Bahamas, my wife would be like, "I am going too." It was an unfortunate blunder but to me, it's not even a real issue. This team has more pressing things to worry about.

[Fireball]

...and if anyone thinks that the issues with the family travelling to the Bahamas had anything to do with the way the team played there, I don't know what to tell then.

But, there's just a whole bunch of crazy being splattered all over the boards and Twitter lately, so just add it to the list, I guess.

[ammtd34]

Wait, you honestly expected Mack to leave his family at home? I know if my job sent me to the Bahamas, my wife would be like, "I am going too." It was an unfortunate blunder but to me, it's not even a real issue. This team has more pressing things to worry about.

I agree with this 100%.

[boozehound]

...and if anyone thinks that the issues with the family travelling to the Bahamas had anything to do with the way the team played there, I don't know what to tell then.

But, there's just a whole bunch of crazy being splattered all over the boards and Twitter lately, so just add it to the list, I guess.

Amen. I'm a little surprised we are making this big of an issue of this.

[xudash]

Two hundred years from now, after the human mind has advanced by an order of magnitude through natural evolution and man made devices, someone is going to look back and find this dialogue as part of a research project on early 21st Century culture, and they'll immediately catch a cold.

[GoMuskies]

What I find bizarre is that the only people who ACTUALLY seem to be taking this seriously are the people tripping over themselves to tell us how we shouldn't think this is a big deal.

[paulxu]

Yes...but...by this afternoon there will be more posts in the Streetcar thread than in the College Football thread.

What's a mother to do?

[coasterville95]

Yeah, had we gone 3-0 instead, CasinoGate would have been "look at the team celebrating a hard won victory" and PassportGate would have been an anecdotal side note.

Now that we went 0-3 and left to our own devices for a week, it's not pretty. Anything to take our mind off of the performance ON the court is welcomed. Like, how come nobody could be "next man in" when Semaj cramped out. (As opposed to crapped out, like the players involved in CasinoGate). That is the biggest issue, really. Then how did they come out so utterly flat against Tennessee.

Can we just forget that whole tournament ever happened?

[xubrew]

This thread is very amusing.