Will we win a road game all year?

[MuskiePimp23]

After watching this team fail to win on a neutral site, I was looking around and according to realtimerpi.com projections we are not projected to win any of our 10 true road games this year, with the 1 at Alabama and the 9 Big East league conference games. So I ask with 10 chances, I think it is very feasible that we do not win a road game all year with how mentally weak this team is perceived to be, with our lack or scoring, intensity, and most important our ability to do the little things such as make FT's. If we do win a game, I think our best chance is at DePaul or possibly at Seton Hall. In any regard, I feel there is a distinct possibility that we don't even win 1 road game all year.

[GoMuskies]

Sure, we'll win one. One.

[MuskiePimp23]

Sure, we'll win one. One.

1-9 on the road probably means below .500 record and obviously not even making the NCAA's, or even the NIT. Not to mention our record conference streak of being at least .500 or above in conference play will be broken. This team is in line to hit new lows that Xavier basketball has not experienced in almost 30 years.

[XU 87]

Never mind.

[GoMuskies]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if we won at DePaul and Seton Hall and surprised one or two others on the road and eeked out a 9-9 or 10-8 conference record.

I also wouldn't be surprised by something more like 6-12 at this point, but hopefully this weekend was not indicative of what the team will look like in January.

[X-band '01]

Even though it's not a road game this year, add the UC game to games played away from Cintas.

In many ways, Pimp does have a point here - the next 2 games at home won't say much about Xavier as games against UC, Wake (albeit at home) and at Alabama will. It will almost feel like a 2nd preseason with Bowling Green and Evansville as the only 2 games being played over the next 2 weeks.

[xubrew]

I was driving back during the Tennessee game, and had to work during the USC game. I DVR'd both. I watched neither.

I did see the Iowa game, and I think that's a really good team. We blew it. They didn't out play us. They didn't overwhelm us. We did not play to the maximum of our ability and it turned out to not be enough. We just blew it. As frustrating as that is, it's still somewhat encouraging because it demonstrates that the ability is there. We could have won. We just blew it.

Now, I admit that I didn't see the other two games, and may not feel this way if I had, I can't help but think we can play a lot better than what we did. It's just a matter of doing it.

The Big East isn't exactly setting the world on fire right now. Nova is, but no one else has done anything of note. So, I don't think we're going to be way overmatched in too many of those games, even when we're the road team.

[LA Muskie]

No. No we won't win a road game this year. Because we will win more than just one. This I know.

[Masterofreality]

Yes.

[Fireball]

I swear...some people are just losing their f'n minds on this board...

Of course we're going to win road games this year. Several, in fact.

[MuskiePimp23]

I swear...some people are just losing their f'n minds on this board...

Of course we're going to win road games this year. Several, in fact.

Are you sure about that? After watching that wonderful performance against the mighty BGSU Falcons on our home floor, you think we will win multiple road games this year? I hope you are right. I just don't see it.

[Fireball]

So wait...no good team ever struggles with a lesser team at home? Ever?

Mind you, North Carolina lost to Belmont at home, and has beaten both #3 Louisville and #1 Michigan State. I'll bet I won't have to look to hard to find other examples.

I give you that the team hasn't looked very good in the last 4 games, but they looked pretty good in their first 5. I don't know how good we'll end up being this year, but I'm betting they're a lot closer to what we saw in the first 5 games and 30 minutes than what we've seen since.

[GoMuskies]

Sagarin would favor us at St. John's, DePaul and Seton Hall.

By the way, this was before today's action, and we would have been narrow faves over St. John's. We're probably slight underdogs to the Johnnies after today's action.

[xsteve1]

So wait...no good team ever struggles with a lesser team at home? Ever?

Mind you, North Carolina lost to Belmont at home, and has beaten both #3 Louisville and #1 Michigan State. I'll bet I won't have to look to hard to find other examples.

I give you that the team hasn't looked very good in the last 4 games, but they looked pretty good in their first 5. I don't know how good we'll end up being this year, but I'm betting they're a lot closer to what we saw in the first 5 games and 30 minutes than what we've seen since.

Agree. You see so many upsets early in the year. The teams that are well coached get better as the season goes along.

[MuskiePimp23]

So wait...no good team ever struggles with a lesser team at home? Ever?

Mind you, North Carolina lost to Belmont at home, and has beaten both #3 Louisville and #1 Michigan State. I'll bet I won't have to look to hard to find other examples.

I give you that the team hasn't looked very good in the last 4 games, but they looked pretty good in their first 5. I don't know how good we'll end up being this year, but I'm betting they're a lot closer to what we saw in the first 5 games and 30 minutes than what we've seen since.

Belmont is a hell of a lot better than Bowling Green. They will be lucky to be over .500 in the frickin' MAC.

[Fireball]

Belmont is a hell of a lot better than Bowling Green. They will be lucky to be over .500 in the frickin' MAC.

And North Carolina is a whole lot better than Xavier. Point still holds. Sometimes good teams struggle with teams they shouldn't. Doesn't mean any more than they had a bad game.

[MuskiePimp23]

And North Carolina is a whole lot better than Xavier. Point still holds. Sometimes good teams struggle with teams they shouldn't. Doesn't mean any more than they had a bad game.

Not much reasoning with you is there? I agree that sometimes good teams struggle with teams they shouldn't. However, even Xavier with their current talent level should absolutely NOT struggle with a team the caliber of BGSU at home, especially coming off 3 straight losses. If we would have lost today, our margin for error would have been slim to none the rest of the season. We have a little breathing room right not, but we need to improve immensely and like I said, I don't see it with this team.

I am sick of these "positive pete's" trying to spin a pig with lipstick as being a great thing when it isn't. I am a realist and what I see on the court is crap right now.

Do I want us to improve? Hell yes. I am one of the most passionate fans on this board, but I am mad as hell that this team does not seem to have what we need. Most importantly, I don't see a fiery leader such as David West, Lionel Chalmers, BJ Raymond, Tu Holloway, Mark Lyons, or Dez Wells. We have a bunch of choir boys, because of that clown Fr. Graham and the admin. and it shows on the court. We need to have a killer instinct and bury teams when they are down.

There is absolutely no excuse, NONE, to be up 11, 62-51 with under 6 mins to go and have to pull out several stops just to force OT. We were in control and pi$$ed the game away almost.

[xubrew]

Belmont is good. Beating Belmont at home is harder than beating the majority of div1 teams on the road.

Beating Bowling Green at home should not be hard to do. We don't have any road games that will be as easy to win as that one.

I'm not saying you don't have a point about teams having off games, but it's kind of crazy to equate Belmont to Bowling Green. Xavier had a neutral game against USC and lost. That was our third straight neutral floor loss. We follow that up in a game where we sweat out Bowling Green. That is concerning. DePaul is a weak team, but it's still harder to win at DePaul than it is to win at home against Bowling Green, and arguably harder than winning a neutral site game against USC. I've tried to be optimistic, but after three bad games in a row it's kind of hard to be.

[Fireball]

Not much reasoning with you is there? I agree that sometimes good teams struggle with teams they shouldn't. However, even Xavier with their current talent level should absolutely NOT struggle with a team the caliber of BGSU at home, especially coming off 3 straight losses. If we would have lost today, our margin for error would have been slim to none the rest of the season. We have a little breathing room right not, but we need to improve immensely and like I said, I don't see it with this team.

So, wait. You agree that Xavier is too good of a team to struggle against BGSU at home? And yet you also don't think that they're good enough to win games on the road?

Which is it? Either they're not good, and they should struggle to beat BGSU at home, and should not win a road game all year. Or, they're too good to struggle against BGSU, and should win some road games.

I'm not saying that the team doesn't need to play better than it has the last 3 games and 15 minutes. I'm saying that I think that the first 5 games and 30 minutes are more indicative of the team's quality. For someone to declare 9 games into a season that a 6-3 team with Xavier's talent level will not win a road game all season is absurd.

[MuskiePimp23]

So, wait. You agree that Xavier is too good of a team to struggle against BGSU at home? And yet you also don't think that they're good enough to win games on the road?

Which is it? Either they're not good, and they should struggle to beat BGSU at home, and should not win a road game all year. Or, they're too good to struggle against BGSU, and should win some road games.

I'm not saying that the team doesn't need to play better than it has the last 3 games and 15 minutes. I'm saying that I think that the first 5 games and 30 minutes are more indicative of the team's quality. For someone to declare 9 games into a season that a 6-3 team with Xavier's talent level will not win a road game all season is absurd.

Let me ask you this. Is this team capable of going 5-5 on the road? Because if they aren't, they will NOT make the NCAA's most likely unless they win just about ALL their home games. That is unacceptable to have 2 years in a row of this crap. Do you understand that?

[Fireball]

Belmont is good. Beating Belmont at home is harder than beating the majority of div1 teams on the road.

Beating Bowling Green at home should not be hard to do. We don't have any road games that will be as easy to win as that one.

I'm not saying you don't have a point about teams having off games, but it's kind of crazy to equate Belmont to Bowling Green. Xavier had a neutral game against USC and lost. That was our third straight neutral floor loss. We follow that up in a game where we sweat out Bowling Green. That is concerning. DePaul is a weak team, but it's still harder to win at DePaul than it is to win at home against Bowling Green, and arguably harder than winning a neutral site game against USC. I've tried to be optimistic, but after three bad games in a row it's kind of hard to be.

OK. I'll give a better example.

In the 2010-2011 season, a Xavier team who would be a 6 seed in the NCAA tournament needed 3 overtimes and a miracle tip in of a missed free throw to beat a Wofford team who was 2-5 at the time.

I'll concede that I tend to be an optimist, but this team has played 9 games. They have played well in 6 of those and badly in 3. I tend to believe this team is closer to the team that's played well in 6 than to the team that's played badly in 3, but we have at least 3 months of basketball to play before we find out.

[Fireball]

Let me ask you this. Is this team capable of going 5-5 on the road? Because if they aren't, they will NOT make the NCAA's most likely unless they win just about ALL their home games. That is unacceptable to have 2 years in a row of this crap. Do you understand that?

Capable? Yes, absolutely.

Will they? I have no clue.

But to declare that we now have "2 years in a row of this crap" 9 games into the season is just as stupid as declaring that this team is going to go 18-0 in the conference.

I'm not saying I'm happy with the last 4 games. I'm just saying that they can and will play better. I'm not calling the season after a bad stretch of games, as many seem that they are ready to.

[MuskiePimp23]

Capable? Yes, absolutely.

Will they? I have no clue.

But to declare that we now have "2 years in a row of this crap" 9 games into the season is just as stupid as declaring that this team is going to go 18-0 in the conference.

I'm not saying I'm happy with the last 4 games. I'm just saying that they can and will play better. I'm not calling the season after a bad stretch of games, as many seem that they are ready to.

Keep looking at this team and program with your blue-tinted glasses. We are something like 38-31 since that damn fight. That is unacceptable for this team and program. I don't take any moral victories. Looking good against Iowa, when we had a 90%+ KenPom winning percentage when Semaj went out with cramps and we have completely sucked ever since. We have been exposed. Where is the consistent rebounding? Where is the offense with Semaj out of the game? Consistent FT shooting? Good defense. I see none of it right now.

[gladdenguy]

Negatives
First off Justin Martin is pathetic.
Dee Davis will always turn the ball over.
Isaiah Philmore can't rebound because he plays like he has a woman part between his legs.
Stainbrook ugh.
Mack playing Martin and Dee Davis as much as he does and more than Myles is ridiculous.

Positives
Semaj took over today in ot. Nice to see.
James Farr
Myles Davis.

[Fireball]

Have also made a Sweet 16 since "that damn fight".

Many are choosing to look at the program for the negative. I choose to look at the positive. History favors my view, but please look at things however you like.

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[XU2011]

Negatives
First off Justin Martin is pathetic.
Dee Davis will always turn the ball over.
Isaiah Philmore can't rebound because he plays like he has a woman part between his legs.
Stainbrook ugh.

Positives
James Farr
Myles Davis.

And yet, Mack digs his heels in even more and Philmore, Stainbrook and Martin are still starting and getting minutes.

Sadly, two of our "captains" are two of our weakest (and mentally weakest) players.

[XU2011]

Have also made a Sweet 16 since "that damn fight".

Many are choosing to look at the program for the negative. I choose to look at the positive. History favors my view, but please look at things however you like.



If you don't think this program has gotten soft, is mentally weak, has NO leaders (other than what appears to be frosh and sophs Myles Davis, Reynolds and Farr), and has totally lost any chip on shoulder/killer instinct attitude..... I don't know what to tell you. Look at how they play, look at how they act on the bench.... Martin, Philmore and Stainbrook (and sometimes Dee Davis) it's sad....

[Juice]

If you don't think this program has gotten soft, is mentally weak, has NO leaders (other than what appears to be frosh and sophs Myles Davis, Reynolds and Farr), and has totally lost any chip on shoulder/killer instinct attitude..... I don't know what to tell you. Look at how they play, look at how they act on the bench.... Martin, Philmore and Stainbrook (and sometimes Dee Davis) it's sad....

How do you know who is and isn't a leader? You're talking about intangibles that cannot be measured by simply watching a game. You're not at practice, in the huddle, in film, etc. How the hell would you know who is a leader? I find that fans talk about intangibles when they have nothing constructive or interesting thing to say. If you want a team of David Ecksteins then by all means, I'm sure there are a bunch of dudes playing in the GCL who were really "fiery" in practice this week.

[Muskie]

If you don't think this program has gotten soft, is mentally weak, has NO leaders (other than what appears to be frosh and sophs Myles Davis, Reynolds and Farr), and has totally lost any chip on shoulder/killer instinct attitude..... I don't know what to tell you. Look at how they play, look at how they act on the bench.... Martin, Philmore and Stainbrook (and sometimes Dee Davis) it's sad....

A mentally weak team would have folded and not gone into OT yesterday.

[XU 87]

And yet, Mack digs his heels in even more and Philmore, Stainbrook and Martin are still starting and getting minutes.

Sadly, two of our "captains" are two of our weakest (and mentally weakest) players.

Stainbrook is our second leading scorer and leading rebounder. He needs more minutes, not less.

Philmore should keep losing minutes to Farr, but he is 4th on the team in scoring and he had 15 points yesterday.

Martin isn't real productive but there is no true 3/wing player that can play better. Mack is playing some three guard offense. I'd like to see more. On the other hand, Randolph didn't score yesterday and Dee was terrible in Atlantis. So there's plenty of room to go around for players being unproductive.

[XU2011]

A mentally weak team would have folded and not gone into OT yesterday.

No, a mentally weak teams plays very well and loses an OT game to a Top 25 team.... then gets their ass kicked the following 2 games and then the next game after a week off, gets taken to OT be a bottom team in the Mid-American.

[XU2011]

Philmore should keep losing minutes to Farr, but he is 4th on the team in scoring and he had 15 points yesterday.

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Philmore did have a nice little scoring run. I think looking simply at 15 points doesn't tell the whole story though. 4/5 baskets he had were set up by the guards. He just had to make the layup- which he thankfully did. But don't kid yourself, he can't create anything for himself offensively. When he tries, it's often a turnover, blocked (what happened at the end of regulation when he gave BG the ball back). Let's not forget he had 1 single rebound all game yesterday (our starting 4 and 5 men had a combined 6 rebounds) and he is so slow his defense is lacking.

[XU2011]

How do you know who is and isn't a leader? You're talking about intangibles that cannot be measured by simply watching a game. You're not at practice, in the huddle, in film, etc. How the hell would you know who is a leader?

When two of our captains and others sit on the bench totally listless, showing no emotion. When they walk off the floor. When they whine to refs to the point TV announcers say something about the whining. When they play badly with no emotion, no hustle.

Doesn't sound like a leader to me.

Now our youngers guys on the other hand (Farr, Myles Davis, Reynolds etc) are the opposite. They just need to take control on the floor if Semaj won't.

[Juice]

When two of our captains and others sit on the bench totally listless, showing no emotion. When they walk off the floor. When they whine to refs to the point TV announcers say something about the whining. When they play badly with no emotion, no hustle.

Doesn't sound like a leader to me.

Now our youngers guys on the other hand (Farr, Myles Davis, Reynolds etc) are the opposite. They just need to take control on the floor if Semaj won't.

Why do you need to see "emotion"? Does it make you feel warmer on the inside? I just want to see players play hard and well. If you want to talk about that, then fine. But "playing with emotion" is crap. And playing with hustle? I saw dudes diving all over the floor yesterday for loose balls.

When people talk about seeing emotion I think of this clip:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqKTKUvbVsA

[XU2011]

You want to see players play well? So do I.

They aren't.

[XUFan09]

Lol love the clip, Juice. And unless you are actually friends or close acquaintances with a player on the team (or it's a heart-on-his-sleave guy like Stanley Burrell or Mark Lyons), your ability to determine what they're actually feeling is shit. Let's just stick to their actual performance on the court, not some bullshit about what we think their emotions, their motivation, and their level of care actually are.

[XU 87]

Philmore did have a nice little scoring run. I think looking simply at 15 points doesn't tell the whole story though. 4/5 baskets he had were set up by the guards. He just had to make the layup- which he thankfully did. But don't kid yourself, he can't create anything for himself offensively. When he tries, it's often a turnover, blocked (what happened at the end of regulation when he gave BG the ball back). Let's not forget he had 1 single rebound all game yesterday (our starting 4 and 5 men had a combined 6 rebounds) and he is so slow his defense is lacking.

I watched the replay of the game yesterday, and what you say about Philmore's scoring just isn't accurate. The offense was going through him almost every time down the floor during the last 6-7 minutes of the game. The announcer even commented that he thought X was using him too much. ButI I will agree that his getting only one rebound is awful. Getting out rebounded by BG tells me some of these guys didn't show up to play, whcih is inexcusable at home coming off a three loss tournament.

I saw Stainbrook high-fiving a bunch of people (showing emotion) at the 6 minute time out, not that that means anything to me, but it apparently does to you.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, the offense went through Philmore almost every possession for a long stretch late in the second half. I don't think it's a coincidence that we also needed a missed BG free throw and two made FTs from Semaj in the final 15 seconds to force OT.

[xubrew]

Our team hasn't played anywhere near what it's ceiling is yet. Maybe for 35 mins against Iowa they did, but not really at any other point.

We have the potential to be pretty good, and I think (and hope) we will be. This is a very big week both on and off paper. If we pick up two wins, everyone's mentality and outlook will change. It's happened in previous seasons. I hope that it happens again, and I think that it will.

Other than Nova, I've also been less than impressed with the Big East so far. I think we can win on the road.


Having said all that, I completely understand why people are skeptical. When you're sweating out Bowling Green at home, It's hard to be encouraged by that.

[XU 87]

The offense going through Philmore was working for the most part. X had the 10 point lead with about 5 minutes to go and made a stop on defense. Randolph then missed a layup on a fast break. BG then came down and hit a 3 point play. I think the next time up Dee had a turnover, which BG used to hit another 3 point play. I think Semaj then had a wild shot after that and BG scored again.

Philmore did get his shot blocked twice towards the end, but he also made a number of nice plays and went to the free throw line 3 times (I think going 3-6). I still think Farr has been way more productive and should keep getting more minutes, but Philmore had a good second half offensively on Saturday.

[Kahns Krazy]

1-9 on the road probably means below .500 record and obviously not even making the NCAA's, or even the NIT. Not to mention our record conference streak of being at least .500 or above in conference play will be broken. This team is in line to hit new lows that Xavier basketball has not experienced in almost 30 years.

Do we have a "stupidest post of the year award"? If so, it's over.

[nuts4xu]

In regards to us winning a road game, I have these thoughts....

I...

I believe....

I believe that....

I believe that we....

I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL WIN!
I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL WIN!
I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL WIN!

[Juice]

Lol love the clip, Juice. And unless you are actually friends or close acquaintances with a player on the team (or it's a heart-on-his-sleave guy like Stanley Burrell or Mark Lyons), your ability to determine what they're actually feeling is shit. Let's just stick to their actual performance on the court, not some bullshit about what we think their emotions, their motivation, and their level of care actually are.

Public reps

[XU2011]

I watched the replay of the game yesterday, and what you say about Philmore's scoring just isn't accurate. The offense was going through him almost every time down the floor during the last 6-7 minutes of the game.


The offense going through Philmore was working for the most part. X had the 10 point lead with about 5 minutes to go and made a stop on defense.

Thanks for making my point. According to you, Xavier had a 10 point lead with about 5 minutes to go. Unfortunately, also according to you, the offense went through Philmore almost every time down the floor during the last 6-7 minutes of the game.

[MuskiePimp23]

Do we have a "stupidest post of the year award"? If so, it's over.

And you continue to act like a clown that you are and insult others posts because you have nothing of merit to add. I asked a legitimate question that I feel we may win a game or two on the road. But any more than that for this team is going to be tough, very tough. I sure hope to be wrong, but wow this team looks bad right now overall.

[MuskiePimp23]

In regards to us winning a road game, I have these thoughts....

I...

I believe....

I believe that....

I believe that we....

I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL WIN!
I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL WIN!
I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL WIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44YUnOoye58

[XU 87]

Thanks for making my point. According to you, Xavier had a 10 point lead with about 5 minutes to go. Unfortunately, also according to you, the offense went through Philmore almost every time down the floor during the last 6-7 minutes of the game.

Since you read my posts, you will see that I also wrote that when we got the 10 point lead, it got lost when 1) Randolph missed a layup, Dee Davis had a turnover, and I think Semaj then put up a bad shot. The offense was fairly effective going through Philmore Saturday in the second half. When Randolph missed his layup on the fast break,, the offense didn't go through Philmore. When Dee bounced the ball off the guys leg at half court the offense didn't go through Philmore.

To help your lack of understanding of what I wrote, maybe I should have written, "The offense was going through Philmore except for those instances that I will discuss next, which includes those instances where we didn't run the half court offense. But when X ran its offense, the ball was going through Philmore."

I hope that helps you understand a little better what I was trying to say.

[GoMuskies]

Play by play of the 7 minute stretch when Isaiah was the go-to fellow. Some good and bad in there for Isaiah.

7:54 51-56 Isaiah Philmore made Layup. Assisted by Dee Davis. 7:40 Spencer Parker Turnover. 51-56
7:40 Official TV Timeout
7:07 51-56 Isaiah Philmore missed Layup. 7:07 Cameron Black Block. 51-56
7:04 Bowling Green Defensive Rebound. 51-56
7:02 Bowling Green Turnover. 51-56
6:48 51-58 Isaiah Philmore made Layup. Assisted by Myles Davis. 6:33 Jehvon Clarke Turnover. 51-58
6:31 51-58 Dee Davis Steal.
6:28 51-60 Isaiah Philmore made Layup. Assisted by Dee Davis. 6:21 Bowling Green Timeout
6:12 51-60 Foul on Dee Davis.
6:12 Jehvon Clarke missed Free Throw. 51-60
6:12 51-60 Matt Stainbrook Defensive Rebound.
5:49 Foul on Spencer Parker. 51-60
5:49 51-61 Isaiah Philmore made Free Throw.
5:49 51-62 Isaiah Philmore made Free Throw. 5:30 Richaun Holmes missed Three Point Jumper. 51-62
5:30 Anthony Henderson Offensive Rebound. 51-62
5:26 Anthony Henderson made Layup. 53-62
5:26 53-62 Foul on Matt Stainbrook.
5:26 Anthony Henderson made Free Throw. 54-62
5:10 54-62 Isaiah Philmore missed Layup. 5:10 Richaun Holmes Block. 54-62
5:09 Jehvon Clarke Defensive Rebound. 54-62
4:53 Anthony Henderson missed Three Point Jumper. 54-62
4:53 Spencer Parker Offensive Rebound. 54-62
4:50 Spencer Parker made Layup. 56-62
4:42 56-62 Semaj Christon missed Layup.
4:42 Richaun Holmes Defensive Rebound. 56-62
4:22 Jehvon Clarke made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Anthony Henderson. 59-62
4:06 59-62 Dee Davis Turnover.
4:05 Jehvon Clarke Steal. 59-62
4:02 Anthony Henderson made Layup. Assisted by Jehvon Clarke. 61-62
3:53 Xavier Timeout
3:35 61-64 Isaiah Philmore made Layup. 3:16 Richaun Holmes made Dunk. Assisted by Spencer Parker. 63-64
3:16 63-64 Foul on Dee Davis.
3:16 Official TV Timeout
3:16 Richaun Holmes made Free Throw. 64-64
2:49 Foul on Richaun Holmes. 64-64
2:49 64-64 Isaiah Philmore missed Free Throw. 2:49 64-64 Xavier Deadball Team Rebound.
2:49 64-65 Isaiah Philmore made Free Throw. 2:21 Cameron Black missed Jumper. 64-65
2:21 64-65 Isaiah Philmore Defensive Rebound.
2:19 Foul on Richaun Holmes. 64-65
2:19 64-66 Isaiah Philmore made Free Throw. 2:19 64-66 Isaiah Philmore missed Free Throw. 2:19 Richaun Holmes Defensive Rebound. 64-66
2:09 Anthony Henderson missed Three Point Jumper. 64-66
2:09 Spencer Parker Offensive Rebound. 64-66
2:05 Spencer Parker Turnover. 64-66
2:04 64-66 Dee Davis Steal.
1:47 64-66 Justin Martin Turnover.
1:45 Richaun Holmes Steal. 64-66
1:44 64-66 Foul on Isaiah Philmore. 1:44 Richaun Holmes missed Free Throw. 64-66
1:44 Bowling Green Deadball Team Rebound. 64-66
1:44 Richaun Holmes made Free Throw. 65-66
1:26 65-66 Matt Stainbrook missed Layup.
1:26 Cameron Black Defensive Rebound. 65-66
1:19 Richaun Holmes made Layup. Assisted by Jehvon Clarke. 67-66
0:52 67-66 Isaiah Philmore missed Jumper.

[XU2011]

So over the last 8 minutes it looks like he missed 2 layups and 1 jumper and had a shot blocked at the end which led to a turnover.... and made 4 layups (3 of which were assisted which generally requies no offensive move from Philmore).

Oh, and no rebounds

[XU2011]

Since you read my posts, you will see that I also wrote that when we got the 10 point lead, it got lost when 1) Randolph missed a layup, Dee Davis had a turnover, and I think Semaj then put up a bad shot. The offense was fairly effective going through Philmore Saturday in the second half. When Randolph missed his layup on the fast break,, the offense didn't go through Philmore. When Dee bounced the ball off the guys leg at half court the offense didn't go through Philmore.

To help your lack of understanding of what I wrote, maybe I should have written, "The offense was going through Philmore except for those instances that I will discuss next, which includes those instances where we didn't run the half court offense. But when X ran its offense, the ball was going through Philmore."

I hope that helps you understand a little better what I was trying to say.

Yes, I understand the offense was going through Philmore. You in fact pointed out that the TV announcer said we were using Philmore too much. With our offense going through Philmore, media analysts stating we are using Philmore too much, the a bottom half team from the MAC takes Xavier to OT.

That was my point. Mack had Myles Davis on the bench. James Farr on the bench. 2 guys who can create offense and make shots. And our offense was going through Philmore.

[ammtd34]

So over the last 8 minutes it looks like he missed 2 layups and 1 jumper and had a shot blocked at the end which led to a turnover.... and made 4 layups (3 of which were assisted which generally requies no offensive move from Philmore).

Oh, and no rebounds

He had 12 points in those 8 minutes. Are you saying anyone in basketball would have scored those same 12 points?

[Masterofreality]

Yes, I understand the offense was going through Philmore. You in fact pointed out that the TV announcer said we were using Philmore too much. With our offense going through Philmore, media analysts stating we are using Philmore too much, the a bottom half team from the MAC takes Xavier to OT.

That was my point. Mack had Myles Davis on the bench. James Farr on the bench. 2 guys who can create offense and make shots. And our offense was going through Philmore.

Did you consider the fact that Holmes, Henderson and Parker were all in foul trouble and that going through Phillmore increased the chance that one or more of those guys would foul out? Parker did. Henderson and Holmes both had 4.

[XU 87]

You in fact pointed out that the TV announcer said we were using Philmore too much. With our offense going through Philmore, media analysts stating we are using Philmore too much, the a bottom half team from the MAC takes Xavier to OT.



I think the announcer said we we were using him too much not because he wasn't effective, but because "when you use a guy too much the other players tend to start standing around." I don't necessarily agree with that comment. If a guy is consistently beating his man, and Philmore was, keep going to him. Philmore had 12 points in the last 8 minutes of the game. You should be complimenting his performance, not complaining about it.

[Juice]

I think the announcer said we we were using him too much not because he wasn't effective, but because "when you use a guy too much the other players tend to start standing around." I don't necessarily agree with that comment. If a guy is consistently beating his man, and Philmore was, keep going to him. Philmore had 12 points in the last 8 minutes of the game. You should be complimenting his performance, not complaining about it.

But according to 2011, Philmore did nothing to contribute to those 12 points. It was all the guards. Philmore did not do one thing well in the 2nd half. You have to trust 2011's authority on this.

[XUFan09]

I don't even understand why there's criticism of Philmore's offensive production. His offensive rating is 106.6, which is pretty good, and that's while being involved in a significant percentage of possessions. A true shooting percentage of 59.4% is pretty damn good also. He has been one of the more reliable scorers on the team.

The question is whether it's enough to compensate for his poor defense so far this season. Also, he has never in his career been a good defensive rebounder, and I'm not sure if people realize that. However, he is slightly down this season (whether it's a significant difference or just a wash after 8 games played, I'm not sure). What is a significant drop-off is his offensive rebounding from last year. He has not grabbed nearly as many offensive boards as his past season's rate suggests he should.

[Kahns Krazy]

And you continue to act like a clown that you are and insult others posts because you have nothing of merit to add. I asked a legitimate question that I feel we may win a game or two on the road. But any more than that for this team is going to be tough, very tough. I sure hope to be wrong, but wow this team looks bad right now overall.

1. Nobody has anything of merit to add. Nothing said on this board ever has or ever will impact the actual play, practice, recruiting, coaching, administration, ticket policies, beer prices, ball toss or parking. It's a fan forum, and that's it. If you think it is more than that, then I apologize.

2. You posted that this team is "in line" to hit new 30 year lows. Are you even 30 years old? When something is "in line" to do something, it would be the expected outcome. As in, another result would be "out of line". I'm curious, if you don't think that is a stupid post, how you would support that argument 8 games into the season, with zero road games and zero conference games. You make assumptions about our conference play before we have ever played a single conference game ever in the Big East. Can I see your evidence to support such a claim? What specifically in those 8 games are you using as support to counteract the last 15 years of progress. What baseline are you using? Please, convince me that this isn't a stupid post.

[danaandvictory]

Good luck, KK. It's shtick at this point.

[Tardy Turtle]

convince me

http://www.tasteofcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/the-usual-suspects1.jpg

P.S. It's a profoundly stupid post.

[paulxu]

P.S. It's a profoundly stupid post.

If that's the case, there's only one thing we can do:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtSmfws0_To&feature=player_detailpage

[MuskiePimp23]

1. Nobody has anything of merit to add. Nothing said on this board ever has or ever will impact the actual play, practice, recruiting, coaching, administration, ticket policies, beer prices, ball toss or parking. It's a fan forum, and that's it. If you think it is more than that, then I apologize.

2. You posted that this team is "in line" to hit new 30 year lows. Are you even 30 years old? When something is "in line" to do something, it would be the expected outcome. As in, another result would be "out of line". I'm curious, if you don't think that is a stupid post, how you would support that argument 8 games into the season, with zero road games and zero conference games. You make assumptions about our conference play before we have ever played a single conference game ever in the Big East. Can I see your evidence to support such a claim? What specifically in those 8 games are you using as support to counteract the last 15 years of progress. What baseline are you using? Please, convince me that this isn't a stupid post.

Now you resort to calling out my age. I am old enough to have followed Xavier for 30+ years so lets not even go there. Back to when Bob Staak was the coach, I was following the team then. Have been a season ticket holder for 20+ years, with the lone year exception being last season.

You are right there is no discussion board and no evidence to back up my claims, except the fact that if the team plays as poorly as it has on a neutral site, what makes you think they will do better in a much more hostile environment on the road? That is my point.

If you were such an astute fan of Xavier basketball, you would know that we have the longest streak of any team in D-1 college basketball of being at least .500 or above in the conference stretching back to I believe 1984...When I was referencing that we could hit things we have not done in 30 years, that was what I was referring to, because if you can't win road games and you drop a few at home= below .500 conference record.

Your posts that insult posters are just plain dumb and add nothing of value to this board. That is what I think.

[MuskiePimp23]

And if we can't beat FREAKING Evansville at home, it is going to be a LONG, LONG year and Xavier basketball may stoop to new lows and do things we have not done in 30+ years. This teams play right now is embarrassing.

[danaandvictory]

And if we can't beat FREAKING Evansville at home, it is going to be a LONG, LONG year and Xavier basketball may stoop to new lows and do things we have not done in 30+ years. This teams play right now is embarrassing.

But on the plus side, you'll be able to tell everyone how right you were.

[Kahns Krazy]

Now you resort to calling out my age. I am old enough to have followed Xavier for 30+ years so lets not even go there. Back to when Bob Staak was the coach, I was following the team then. Have been a season ticket holder for 20+ years, with the lone year exception being last season.

Oh. You are a fair weather fan. I get it now.


You are right there is no discussion board and no evidence to back up my claims

Huh? There is a discussion board. You are posting on it. Nothing of merit, but you are still posting.


, except the fact that if the team plays as poorly as it has on a neutral site, what makes you think they will do better in a much more hostile environment on the road? That is my point.

So we should just pack it in because we had one bad holiday weekend tournament? Oooohkay. No team has ever improved from November to March.



If you were such an astute fan of Xavier basketball, you would know that we have the longest streak of any team in D-1 college basketball of being at least .500 or above in the conference stretching back to I believe 1984...When I was referencing that we could hit things we have not done in 30 years, that was what I was referring to, because if you can't win road games and you drop a few at home= below .500 conference record.

Not achieving a statistically arbitrary measuring point and "being in line to hit 30 year lows" are two very different things. I would think an astute fan of basketball would realize that 7-9 in the big east is not worse than 8-8 in the MCC.


Your posts that insult posters are just plain dumb and add nothing of value to this board. That is what I think.

I never called you stupid. I said your post was stupid. I stand by that. We are also now even.

[XU2011]

Well that was fun.

What in the world is going on? Lose 3 games in 3 games, then get taken to OT by a low level MAC team Bowling Green and takes a big comeback to win by 3 to Evansville? Saturday is going to be U-G-L-Y if Xavier plays like they have the past 4 games. Unfortunately, there isn't much to point to that suggests we should expect anything different.

Per the conversation we've had earlier about Philmore, I just have to chuckle at these stat lines:

Philmore in 26 minutes: 2 points going 1/5, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 steals and 3 turnovers.
James Farr in 14 minutes: 4 points going 2/4, 5 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 block, 2 steals and 1 turnover.

Philmore also got stuffed at least twice today as well. He cannot jump.

[XU 87]

Well that was fun.

What in the world is going on? Lose 3 games in 3 games, then get taken to OT by a low level MAC team Bowling Green and takes a big comeback to win by 3 to Evansville? Saturday is going to be U-G-L-Y if Xavier plays like they have the past 4 games. Unfortunately, there isn't much to point to that suggests we should expect anything different.

Per the conversation we've had earlier about Philmore, I just have to chuckle at these stat lines:

Philmore in 26 minutes: 2 points going 1/5, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 steals and 3 turnovers.
James Farr in 14 minutes: 4 points going 2/4, 5 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 block, 2 steals and 1 turnover.

Philmore also got stuffed at least twice today as well. He cannot jump.

No one was claiming that Philmore is all league. In fact, I wrote that Farr should be getting more of his minutes. The problem was that you refused to admit that Philmore played pretty well against BG.

But it's a little pathetic that you take such great delight in Philmore not playing well today. Well done.

[XU 87]

And if we can't beat FREAKING Evansville at home, it is going to be a LONG, LONG year and Xavier basketball may stoop to new lows and do things we have not done in 30+ years. This teams play right now is embarrassing.

I think I liked you more when you just bitched about Fr. Graham post after post. We get it. You think X is going to suck this year. There is no need for you tell us the same thing over and over and over again.

[XU2011]

No one was claiming that Philmore is all league. In fact, I wrote that Farr should be getting more of his minutes. The problem was that you refused to admit that Philmore played pretty well against BG.

But it's a little pathetic that you take such great delight in Philmore not playing well today. Well done.

Played pretty well? Our starting 4 man had a SINGLE rebound. Made a few good lay-ups and had a couple nice offensvie moves. Got stuffed/turnover at a critical point in last minute. Played crappy/too slow defense. Against a bottom of the pack MAC team. If we call that played "pretty well" for our starting 4 man.... that's not the Xavier program that I know. That's a soft, weak, no-post season program.

[ammtd34]

Played pretty well? Our starting 4 man had a SINGLE rebound. Made a few good lay-ups and had a couple nice offensvie moves. Got stuffed/turnover at a critical point in last minute. Played crappy/too slow defense. Against a bottom of the pack MAC team. If we call that played "pretty well" for our starting 4 man.... that's not the Xavier program that I know. That's a soft, weak, no-post season program.

Hey, stick to your guns dude. Earlier, you said his baskets didn't require any moves on his part. DON'T LET IT GO!

[XU 87]

Played pretty well? Our starting 4 man had a SINGLE rebound. Made a few good lay-ups and had a couple nice offensvie moves. Got stuffed/turnover at a critical point in last minute. Played crappy/too slow defense. Against a bottom of the pack MAC team. If we call that played "pretty well" for our starting 4 man.... that's not the Xavier program that I know. That's a soft, weak, no-post season program.

Philmore had 12 points in 7 minutes. But you can't understand that is a pretty good accomplishment.

[XU2011]

Hey, stick to your guns dude. Earlier, you said his baskets didn't require any moves on his part. DON'T LET IT GO!

I think I said most were just lay-ups he had to make and weren't created by him.

Which is what I stated in made a few nice lay-ups and a couple nice moves.

[ammtd34]

I think I said most were just lay-ups he had to make and weren't created by him.

Which is what I stated in made a few nice lay-ups and a couple nice moves.

How do you think he got the ball there? Do you think that's an easy thing to do?

[XU 87]

I think I said most were just lay-ups he had to make and weren't created by him.

Which is what I stated in made a few nice lay-ups and a couple nice moves.

When I read stuff like this, you confirm that you just don't understand what's going on out there. Forward makes a layup? All credit should be given to the guard who threw him the ball, according to you.

[XU2011]

Sorry, I do not believe 1 rebound, crappy defensve BUT the ability to make a few nice lay-ups, 2 nice moves and 5 foul shots in 26 mins of play AGAINST A BOTTOM OF THE PACK MAC TEAMS results in a pretty good accomplishment.

And clearly, the Philmore we all know (and you love) came back today.

Why is he still starting? There is a glimmer of hope in Mack starting Myles Davis over him today in the second half at least.

[Masterofreality]

Give me more Jimmy Farr. At least he's not afraid to take and make a shot outside of 15 feet, although Isaiah made a 15 footer last night, which he needs to do on occasion.

As to the "road" game. We get the first one Saturday night....oh, that's right...it's technically our home/neutral site game. :nah:

[MuskiePimp23]

But on the plus side, you'll be able to tell everyone how right you were.

That is not what I want to happen at all.

[MuskiePimp23]

Oh. You are a fair weather fan. I get it now.



Huh? There is a discussion board. You are posting on it. Nothing of merit, but you are still posting.



So we should just pack it in because we had one bad holiday weekend tournament? Oooohkay. No team has ever improved from November to March.




Not achieving a statistically arbitrary measuring point and "being in line to hit 30 year lows" are two very different things. I would think an astute fan of basketball would realize that 7-9 in the big east is not worse than 8-8 in the MCC.



I never called you stupid. I said your post was stupid. I stand by that. We are also now even.

Agree to disagree. The only thing I take offense to in your post is that I am not is a fair weather fan. I made it well known on this board that I took a one year hiatus since my season ticket contract was up in protest for the whole fight and Dez Wells and Mark Lyons fiasco's, mainly because of how Dez got screwed and the administration and Fr. Graham consistently F'ed up. I did not want to donate any money to a University that was not being run in the manner I felt should have been run with Xaviers Jesuit mission. I am back this year. I also still attended 5 games last year despite not having season tix and watched every game, so fair weather fan I am definitely not.

[xubrew]

Seton Hall is sweating out Saint Peter's at home. Dozens of people are in attendance.

We should win that one.

[casualfan]

Seton Hall is sweating out Saint Peter's at home. Dozens of people are in attendance.

We should win that one.

They lost 83-80.

[X-band '01]

Sterling Gibbs injured his knee in the 2nd half of that one; if he's out for any extended period of time, Seton Hall is in trouble.

[GoMuskies]

Sterling Gibbs injured his knee in the 2nd half of that one; if he's out for any extended period of time, Seton Hall is in trouble.

Seton Hall is in trouble no matter what.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

Does UC count?

[nuts4xu]

Does UC count?

Uh, no. That was a neutral court..at best.

[Kahns Krazy]

Uh, no. That was a neutral court..at best.

We made it our court by shooting the lights out to start the game. Last year played more like a road game.

[GoMuskies]

I suggest our Muskies just go ahead and take care of Bama and remove all doubt on this point.

[MuskiePimp23]

I suggest our Muskies just go ahead and take care of Bama and remove all doubt on this point.

Not going to happen. We have folded like a cheap tent in the first half. 2-8 on the road won't get it done either, but that is my prediction for our road record this year. 3-7 at best.

[Kahns Krazy]

Not going to happen. We have folded like a cheap tent in the first half. 2-8 on the road won't get it done either, but that is my prediction for our road record this year. 3-7 at best.

When your pony only knows one trick, you should build the suspense up a little more.

[Fireball]

Yes.

Now, can we shut the hell up about this?

[Kahns Krazy]

After watching this team fail to win on a neutral site, I was looking around and according to realtimerpi.com projections we are not projected to win any of our 10 true road games this year, with the 1 at Alabama and the 9 Big East league conference games. So I ask with 10 chances, I think it is very feasible that we do not win a road game all year with how mentally weak this team is perceived to be, with our lack or scoring, intensity, and most important our ability to do the little things such as make FT's. If we do win a game, I think our best chance is at DePaul or possibly at Seton Hall. In any regard, I feel there is a distinct possibility that we don't even win 1 road game all year.

Can we agree that it is time to kill this stupid thread? It is now far more likely that we will win the national championship than it is that we lose all of our road games.

[xumuskies08]

Yes.

[UnCaged]

Can we agree that it is time to kill this stupid thread? It is now far more likely that we will win the national championship than it is that we lose all of our road games.
There's a horse in the hospital and Kahns has now spoken the truth. Jump on this ship naysayers and unbelievers, this team can handle adversity and come out on the other side smiling and hi fiving.

[SemajParlor]

http://i.imgur.com/Zjwo4.gif

[ForTUitous]

That awkward moment when you play in and win the first true road game of the year.....

[MuskiePimp23]

We win one game and some people on here sound like this is a Top 25 team. We still have 3 losses. I still think we need to be .500 on the road and hold serve at home to have a shot at an NCAA bid. This was definitely a good start and I am glad we got the first road game as a win. Maybe this team will get some confidence. Wake Forest is no joke. I am very happy to get the win though and glad to be wrong on this.

[Masterofreality]

That awkward moment when you play in and win the first true road game of the year.....

This.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Nice tude pimp. We just beat a decent bama team. They lost to the shockers with one of their best players out. He was back tonight and we came back from 12 on the road and won. Yes this team has a lot of work a head of them but it's clearly a much different team than the Atlantis team. If you know anything about Xavier basketball you would know they suck in pre season tournaments and they rejuvenate themselves after the crosstown shootout. This team is gonna dance but only if Mack plays his best 5 players the most and to be honest with you that doesn't include Semaj right now.

[Kahns Krazy]

We win one game and some people on here sound like this is a Top 25 team. We still have 3 losses. I still think we need to be .500 on the road and hold serve at home to have a shot at an NCAA bid. This was definitely a good start and I am glad we got the first road game as a win. Maybe this team will get some confidence. Wake Forest is no joke. I am very happy to get the win though and glad to be wrong on this.

Nobody said top 25. You said there was a "distinct possibility" we would lose 10 straight on the road, and we lost zero straight. You were wrong by 10.

[DC Muskie]

Top 25? I'm just excited we stuck together and won.

[Frambo]

This team is gonna dance but only if Mack plays his best 5 players the most and to be honest with you that doesn't include Semaj right now.

I only saw the last 12 minutes, but were we watching the same game??? Semaj didn't score as much as usual, but he had a few steals, a couple assists and played good defense. Bet Chris keeps playing Semaj......wonder why?

[MuskiePimp23]

Nobody said top 25. You said there was a "distinct possibility" we would lose 10 straight on the road, and we lost zero straight. You were wrong by 10.

Then I take credit for the win, because I always take the opposite view with the worst possibility and hope for the best. The best happened tonight. We probably played our best overall game statistically to this point besides not shooting the ball well. We only had 6 turnovers, shot 78% from the FT line and outrebounded Alabama by 4. Defense, rebounding, taking care of the ball. Those are fundamentals that will win you basketball games. We have not shown that to date. Very glad to get this win.

[Fireball]

I only saw the last 12 minutes, but were we watching the same game??? Semaj didn't score as much as usual, but he had a few steals, a couple assists and played good defense. Bet Chris keeps playing Semaj......wonder why?

Really, how the heck was Semaj not one of the best 5? He played some really good defense, and set Stainbrook and Philmore up for some great buckets. Semaj didn't score as much as usual, but I thought he played a hell of a game.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Frambo I just havnt been a huge fan of his this year. He is out of control, takes bad shots and has no outside game. I just think this team is better with him focusing more on getting the ball to other guys. We obviously still need him but the last two games this team just seem to be better with him not shooting. He did hit some big shots late in that UC game but if he doesn't get more under control I think he is a liability out there. IMHO

[OTRMUSKIE]

You guys are 100% correct. He plays great defense which is very very important. He just drives me insane with how out of control he gets when in transition. He is young and will get better. He is however not even close to a first round NBA'er

[XUOHTX]

And time to close this thread

[Kahns Krazy]

Streetcar Rules!

[OTRMUSKIE]

Yes sir the streetcar does rule!!! Love the positive energy Kahn!!! Of course I know you're just being sarcastic but it's all good. God still loves you

[Kahns Krazy]

After watching this team fail to win on a neutral site, I was looking around and according to realtimerpi.com projections we are not projected to win any of our 10 true road games this year, with the 1 at Alabama and the 9 Big East league conference games. So I ask with 10 chances, I think it is very feasible that we do not win a road game all year with how mentally weak this team is perceived to be, with our lack or scoring, intensity, and most important our ability to do the little things such as make FT's. If we do win a game, I think our best chance is at DePaul or possibly at Seton Hall. In any regard, I feel there is a distinct possibility that we don't even win 1 road game all year.

10-1 since this classic was posted on 12/1, including 2-1 on the road, the only loss being to one of the hottest teams in the country right now on their home court in what was a very hard fought battle. I wish every team could be as mentally weak and lacking in scoring, intensity and free throws as the 2013-2014 team that MuskiePimp threw under the bus 7 weeks ago.

I said this was the stupidest post of the year, and MuskiePimp23 neg repped me for it and called me a clown. I stand by my assessment. If any post in this thread is neg-rep worthy, it's the original post calling this team weak, or the one that said this team was in line for 30 year lows.

[chico]

A season is a lifetime.

[xu82]

A season is a lifetime.

Yes, we must keep reminding ourselves... This should be a daily post.

[nuts4xu]

MuskiePimp23 neg repped me for it and called me a clown.

He must have confused you with Roscoe...

and I thought Roscoe was Fred Garvin. Am I wrong?

[GoMuskies]

We might win one.

[waggy]

You've been into Nutz' brownies again.

[MuskiePimp23]

10-1 since this classic was posted on 12/1, including 2-1 on the road, the only loss being to one of the hottest teams in the country right now on their home court in what was a very hard fought battle. I wish every team could be as mentally weak and lacking in scoring, intensity and free throws as the 2013-2014 team that MuskiePimp threw under the bus 7 weeks ago.

I said this was the stupidest post of the year, and MuskiePimp23 neg repped me for it and called me a clown. I stand by my assessment. If any post in this thread is neg-rep worthy, it's the original post calling this team weak, or the one that said this team was in line for 30 year lows.

How are we doing now you clown? 0-3 and looking downright terrible...I love taking the completely pessimistic point of view and hoping we are somewhere in between. I see a grand total of 1 game I think we "should win" and that is DePaul at home. People talking about us going 6-3 down the stretch is a pipe dream. I would take that in a heartbeat, but that won't happen. We will be lucky to go 3-6. I truly do not see us winning another game on the road and could see this extending with a Butler or St. John's-esque losing streak of 6 or 7 games.

[waggy]

hahaha. It must really suck to be you, "pimp".

[MuskiePimp23]

Which makes winning on the road crucial to making the NCAA tournament which was really my point in starting this thread all along...4 of next 5 on the road...I think we need to go at least 2-2 on the road and beat DePaul at home. We have to win on the road or the season will be over soon.

[Cheesehead]

Which makes winning on the road crucial to making the NCAA tournament which was really my point in starting this thread all along...4 of next 5 on the road...I think we need to go at least 2-2 on the road and beat DePaul at home. We have to win on the road or the season will be over soon.

season wouldn't be over, it would just mean the NIT

[gladdenguy]

Need to win one of next 2. Butler loss would be more damaging to the resume. I know Butler will play their best Tuesday night. Hope Xavier brings it.

[bjf123]

We need to win the next 3. After that, it's a crapshoot.


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[XUFan09]

We need to win the next 3. After that, it's a crapshoot.

If we win the next 3, I feel good about our tournament chances, as we would only need to win 1 of the remaining 5 and a conference tournament game to feel reasonably confident in a tournament berth.

[Kahns Krazy]

After watching this team fail to win on a neutral site, I was looking around and according to realtimerpi.com projections we are not projected to win any of our 10 true road games this year, with the 1 at Alabama and the 9 Big East league conference games. So I ask with 10 chances, I think it is very feasible that we do not win a road game all year with how mentally weak this team is perceived to be, with our lack or scoring, intensity, and most important our ability to do the little things such as make FT's. If we do win a game, I think our best chance is at DePaul or possibly at Seton Hall. In any regard, I feel there is a distinct possibility that we don't even win 1 road game all year.


Which makes winning on the road crucial to making the NCAA tournament which was really my point in starting this thread all along...4 of next 5 on the road...I think we need to go at least 2-2 on the road and beat DePaul at home. We have to win on the road or the season will be over soon.

So the way you communicate that winning on the road is critical to making the NCAA's is by calling the team mentally weak and projecting an unprecedented 0-10 road record, and you sprinkle in a dash of personal name calling along the way to make your point? Forgive me if you still aren't swaying me to your argument.

Winning on the road will be tough in this conference. That's not just true this year, it's our new reality. There is no need to bash the team or to project your doom and gloom scenario as a "distinct possibility".

[Kahns Krazy]

How are we doing now you clown? 0-3 and looking downright terrible...I love taking the completely pessimistic point of view ....

May I suggest you visit the other site? I hear they love that crap over there. Fire the coach, the administration is the worst ever, this team will never win another game blah blah blah.

[Kahns Krazy]

I really like our odds of winning at least three road games this year.

[GoMuskies]

I really like our odds of winning at least three road games this year.

This calendar year? Man, you're a true belieber.

[MuskiePimp23]

I really like our odds of winning at least three road games this year.

That's awesome we are 3-3 with 4 games left. I think we need to get to 5-5 on the road and beat DePaul at home to get into the NCAA tourney. If we lose at Marquette this Saturday, we really have our work cut out for us, because I really do not see us winning at Georgetown or St. John's with how those teams are playing now...Seton Hall could go either way and we already lost to them obviously and we will have a short turnaround before playing them. Bottom line is I think we need to win 2 more on the road to get into the NCAA tourney. I don't believe we can get to 5-5 and falling short of the NCAA's is really all that matters. 3-7 or 4-6 won't get the job done.

[OH.X.MI]

March is shaping up to be a great month if you ask me... A win against Creighton, a win at Seaton Hall, a win against Nova, and dancing we go. Creighton and Nova: evening games on a Thursday and Saturday, two ranked teams, the conclusion of our inaugural Big East season, I have no doubt there is going to be some magic in Cintas in March 2014.

[waggy]

What is that 4 now?

[The_Mack_Pack]

Xavier is now 4-5 in true road games, that's not bad at all. Manage to beat Seton Hall and a 5-5 true road mark would look really good for a team vying for a bid.

[MuskiePimp23]

Xavier is now 4-5 in true road games, that's not bad at all. Manage to beat Seton Hall and a 5-5 true road mark would look really good for a team vying for a bid.

Nice win today, but Seton Hall will be very difficult to beat on the road. We couldn't even beat them at home. That would be huge if we could get it. Creighton or Nova would obviously be huge too. We still have a very tall order in front of us, but tonight helped.