Game Thread: Morehead State vs. Xavier (November 15, 2013)

[paulxu]

http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/xavi/graphics/auto/morehead-state-logo.jpgVS. http://cache.lego.com/upload/contentTemplating/MinifiguresBios/images/pic773F455B41A27FB44B60F2397BAA49D7.jpg

Morehead State Eagles (2-0) vs. Xavier University Musketeers (2-0)
Friday, November 15, 2013 at 8:00 p.m. ET
Cintas Center, Cincinnati, Ohio
Live Chat (http://www.chatzy.com/32573582761803)
Television: Fox Sports 2
Radio: WLW 700 with Joe Sunderman (‘79) and Byron Larkin (‘88).

[paulxu]

Muskie is asleep. I think the game is tonight.
Rules to remember:

1 - Be in seat before tip off
2 - No standing to block others' view
3 - Sit opposite Fox cameras to give impression of full arena
4 - No leaving before the final buzzer
5 - If you see Snipe or Kahns loitering in upper concourse, buy them a beer so they will owe you one too
6 - Always respect the streak

[Muskie]

Thanks Paul. Still trying to recover from Tuesday's late night.

[XUOHTX]

Up next
Xavier vs. Morehead State

Tipoff: 8 p.m. at Cintas Center

TV: Fox Sports 2

Radio: WLW-AM (700)

Records: XU 2-0, Morehead State 2-0

Series: Xavier leads, 5-3

Wait...we have lost 3 times to Morehead State?

[XUFan09]

Wait...we have lost 3 times to Morehead State?

Whoa.

[GIMMFD]

Don't they have some kid averaging 25 a game right now or something? Oh and Kenneth Faried went there, fun fact.. But they are usually pretty decent, I still think we should be fine, as long as we play our game, and don't do anything drastically dumb, like Semaj getting in foul trouble, or Stainbrook. Those guys make this team tick.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Looks like they play some small ball. Warner scored 25 in their first D1 game and is 6-2 195. They started 3 guards at 5-10, 6-2, and 6-3 and a 6-6 forward and a 6-10 center.

Team shot a ton of 3s against ETSU (60 total shots and 25 threes). ETSU's tallest player was 6-7 and 6-6 was their tallest starter. Obviously, Morehead out rebounded them.

[American X]

http://www.myiconart.com/22951-large/big-lebowski-t-shirt-i-hate-the-eagles.jpg

[Masterofreality]

Wait...we have lost 3 times to Morehead State?


Whoa

1961 NCAA Tourney lost to Morehead. Coach Jim McCafferty
1974 under Tay Baker
1980 under Bob Staak in his first year with Baker's "recruits".

[Masterofreality]

Thanks Paul. Still trying to recover from Tuesday's late night.

Paul's retired. He has lots of time on his hands. :rolleyes:

[paulxu]

You're batting .500.
You met mrspaulxu; just think of what she can do with a honey-do-list.

[blobfan]

Muskie is asleep. I think the game is tonight.
Rules to remember:

1 - Be in seat before tip off
2 - No standing to block others' view
3 - Sit opposite Fox cameras to give impression of full arena
4 - No leaving before the final buzzer
5 - If you see Snipe or Kahns loitering in upper concourse, buy them a beer so they will owe you one too
6 - Always respect the streak

1-Depends on how much of a mess parking is but I'll try.
2-What if the people I'm blocking are too lazy to stand for the opening basket?
3-What team are we talking about? I'm planning to attend a XAVIER game. I don't think crowd size will be an issue.
4-Friday night, date night, hubby is DD...I think I can comply with this.
5-How does one recognize Snipe now that he no longer wears the snuggie? That was very handy.
6-Always.

[XUOHTX]

1961 NCAA Tourney lost to Morehead. Coach Jim McCafferty
1974 under Tay Baker
1980 under Bob Staak in his first year with Baker's "recruits".

Ah...so not since I've been on this Earth. Makes sense.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier is only an 11.5 point favorite tonight.

[paulxu]

5-How does one recognize Snipe now that he no longer wears the snuggie? That was very handy.

Big guy, standing drinking with another big guy (Kahns) on upper concourse near beer concession, both have glazed look, deep in a discussion about genetics and how it impacts streetcar development and/or Obamacare...occasionally a glance at the scoreboard. (Unless we are behind...then all bets are off.)

[American X]

5-How does one recognize Snipe now that he no longer wears the snuggie?

The scent of rum and despair.

[coasterville95]

Just get back from Rome. Who cares if I have been up 24 straight hoes now. Stopped past home on way from airport to change and grab tickets. Now I'm headed to Cintas Center.

[mistabeecee41]

Just get back from Rome. Who cares if I have been up 24 straight hoes now. Stopped past home on way from airport to change and grab tickets. Now I'm headed to Cintas Center.

up 24 straight hoes? care to share your secret?

[XUFan09]

How does one recognize Snipe now that he no longer wears the snuggie? That was very handy.


Big guy, standing drinking with another big guy (Kahns) on upper concourse near beer concession, both have glazed look, deep in a discussion about genetics and how it impacts streetcar development and/or Obamacare...occasionally a glance at the scoreboard. (Unless we are behind...then all bets are off.)


The scent of rum and despair.

Wonderful.

[XUFan09]

http://firstrowus1.eu/sport/basketball.html

Listed as "St." Xavier again. Worked for some people last time; let's see if it works for me this time.

[Jesuit4Life]

http://firstrowus1.eu/sport/basketball.html

Listed as "St." Xavier again. Worked for some people last time; let's see if it works for me this time.

It's working for me on Firefox thanks to Biggie's helpful tip (http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?26228-Game-Thread-Xavier-v-Gardner-Webb-(November-8-2013)&p=411341#post411341).

[XUFan09]

It's working for me on Firefox thanks to Biggie's helpful tip (http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?26228-Game-Thread-Xavier-v-Gardner-Webb-(November-8-2013)&p=411341#post411341).

What video players are you using? I have no intention of installing Ilivid like it suggests, but since revamping my computer, I think there may be a video player that I forgot to reinstall.

[mistabeecee41]

http://firstrowus1.eu/sport/basketball.html

Listed as "St." Xavier again. Worked for some people last time; let's see if it works for me this time.

the tab trick.

[XUFan09]

That is a very nifty trick to keep in mind for the future, but my issue right now is I don't get the video at all, just audio :(

[casualfan]

Here's another link that requires no install of a player.

http://www.freelivebox.eu/matchid-131115044750-link-1-watch-Morehead-St.-vs-Xavier.html

[XUFan09]

I can't get over their center's name. How do you give the ball to a guy who is by definition already dead?

[XUFan09]

Here's another link that requires no install of a player.

http://www.freelivebox.eu/matchid-131115044750-link-1-watch-Morehead-St.-vs-Xavier.html

You're my new favorite person.

[XUFan09]

I tuned in just in time to see Semaj's baseline drive, complete with the shot adjustment for the "half-reverse" (I can't think of what else to call it). Beautiful.

[The_Mack_Pack]

They've got some nice bigs but their guards can't handle Semaj right now.

[Jesuit4Life]

What video players are you using? I have no intention of installing Ilivid like it suggests, but since revamping my computer, I think there may be a video player that I forgot to reinstall.

Nothing installed, I was using the tab trick. But the audio wasn't going through from FristRow to my TV so I'm using Casualfan's link now. Thanks!

[xu82]

If someone at the game would slap the announcer in the head and inform him we do not have a Brandon Randall on the team it would be greatly appreciated.

[Lloyd Christmas]

Would it be too much to ask to see some stats? Maybe a foul count? How many points each player has scored?

[sirthought]

Would it be too much to ask to see some stats? Maybe a foul count? How many points each player has scored?

link (javascript:window.open('http://www.goxavier.com/gametracker/launch/?event=1297428&school=xavi&sport=mbaskbl&','GameTrackerv3','');%20void(0);)

[American X]

Would it be too much to ask to see some stats? Maybe a foul count? How many points each player has scored?

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

http://www.goxavier.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbaskbl.html?event=1297428&school=xavi&sport=mbaskbl&camefrom=&startschool=&

[MADXSTER]

Up 15 at the half.

Jalen getting some good minutes.
With the new rule on fouling, it's really nice to have some depth.

[Emp]

Makes his free throws. Farr a "healthy scratch," or is jalen just getting his minutes in a pay game?

[paulxu]

1 for 7 from 3...that sucks.

[Lloyd Christmas]

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

http://www.goxavier.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbaskbl.html?event=1297428&school=xavi&sport=mbaskbl&camefrom=&startschool=&

Thanks. I know how to use the Internet. I was referring to fox sports 2 coverage.

[BandAid]

what an ugly, ugly game

absolutely no flow

like an old man with a prostate problem

[MADXSTER]

Next game we should not only have 'Pick the score' thread but also a 'Pick the # of fouls' thread.

[MADXSTER]

Xavier with 10 fouls in 7 min 48 secs in the second half.

If Xavier wasn't one of the teams, I'd have turn this game off long ago.

[coasterville95]

Yes the foul situation is getting irritating. With the increased number of foul calls it's good the sword sound effect seems to already be gone.

Just as an aside- halftime didn't start till 9pm or after, that's when it should have ended. We have the very real chance of more head state getting double bonus with 12 minutes left

The end game could get real interesting with foul trouble.

This is ruining the flow of the game.

And Reynolds Dunk!!!!'n

[paulxu]

Muskie, what is this all about.
I go to livechat, and they tell me there are only 10 free spots and they are all taken.
I'm not paying to be in livechat. That blows.

[Muskie]

Muskie, what is this all about.
I go to livechat, and they tell me there are only 10 free spots and they are all taken.
I'm not paying to be in livechat. That blows.

I have no idea. We had more than 10 last Friday. I'm on the road so i can't check right now.

[xu82]

Game Thread: Morehead State vs. Xavier (November 15, 2013)
Originally Posted by paulxu
Muskie, what is this all about.
I go to livechat, and they tell me there are only 10 free spots and they are all taken.
I'm not paying to be in livechat. That blows.
I have no idea. We had more than 10 last Friday. I'm on the road so i can't check right now.

i was IN last game and got bumped out.

[X-band '01]

You don't have to pay to sign up for a Chatzy membership.

[paulxu]

I wonder if this could be a 3 hour game?

[MADXSTER]

The New Basketball Strategy

Offense
Run a weave at the top of the key, drive to the basket, get the foul, shoot free throw.

Defense
Don't touch person going to the basket, pray that they miss, get the rebound.

[sirthought]

40 points from our bigs -- Can't complain too much there.

[sirthought]

Hard to believe we matched them on rebounds
And nearly matched them on turnovers.

[sirthought]

70% free throw - Not good, but could be worse. Let's hope they do something about this.

[X-man]

I wonder if this could be a 3 hour game?

I left the game close to an hour ago and there was still about 9 minutes on the game clock. It isn't basketball when the ref's call 70-80 fouls, and I refuse to watch the sham of a game. I was sort of hoping the whole place would walk out in protest of one abominably officiated game, and leave the place empty except for the whistles. I feel sorry for the players; they can't possibly have a clue how to play when the game is officiated the way this one was.

[paulxu]

It's surprising the Morehead coach didn't tell his guys to foul Semaj when he drove to the hoop.
He was 0-4 from the foul line, and I think those were in the first half.

[fellahmuskie]

I would have left, too, if I was there. This is ridiculous. It looks just like the way they call games over here in Russia and that's not a good thing.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Nice to see the coming out of Reynolds, with only 2 fouls. I predicted big things from him, and I hope he is getting the confidence he needs. There were 56 foul calls, or is that the total score of Morehead S. Every player scored, except Richards, and that is a good. Mack can throw in players from the bench and expect them to score........we have depth. I am esp. pleased to see 20 assists and 6 blocks. Oh yes, 70% team FT shooting is a big improvement, even though Christon was still struggling from the FT line. Overall, a very good team effort and a great win.

[XUOHTX]

I left the game close to an hour ago and there was still about 9 minutes on the game clock. It isn't basketball when the ref's call 70-80 fouls, and I refuse to watch the sham of a game. I was sort of hoping the whole place would walk out in protest of one abominably officiated game, and leave the place empty except for the whistles. I feel sorry for the players; they can't possibly have a clue how to play when the game is officiated the way this one was.

I feel sorry for the players when fans leave WITH 9 MINUTES ON THE EFFING CLOCK! Grow a pair and stay to support the team. I live in Texas. TEXAS!!!! Do you even know how lucky you are to be sitting in those seats? I can't even look at you right now. I command you to go back to the Cintas Center, sneak in, go sit in your section 104 seats and think about what you have done. I'm not mad, I'm just......no I'm fucking mad. Shame on you.

EDIT: I just went back and saw that you picked Tennessee to win. I hate you.

[sirthought]

With as many fouls as they are calling, it's good this team has depth

[XU-PA]

I feel sorry for the players when fans leave WITH 9 MINUTES ON THE EFFING CLOCK! Grow a pair and stay to support the team. I live in Texas. TEXAS!!!! Do you even know how lucky you are to be sitting in those seats? I can't even look at you right now. I command you to go back to the Cintas Center, sneak in, go sit in your section 104 seats and think about what you have done. I'm not mad, I'm just......no I'm fucking mad. Shame on you.

EDIT: I just went back and saw that you picked Tennessee to win. I hate you.

100% agreed. the players live with it, it's part of the game, sometimes there's a lot of fouls. I had to watch this game on non HD TV, with a couple of the worlds biggest tools as announcers. They couldn't even figure out who had been in the game and who had not, and that JMart was out of the Tenn game because of a concussion issue. I'd have given one nut to be at Cintas.

[Drew's Crew]

I left the game close to an hour ago and there was still about 9 minutes on the game clock. It isn't basketball when the ref's call 70-80 fouls, and I refuse to watch the sham of a game. I was sort of hoping the whole place would walk out in protest of one abominably officiated game, and leave the place empty except for the whistles. I feel sorry for the players; they can't possibly have a clue how to play when the game is officiated the way this one was.

You don't actually think that leaving with 9 minutes left on the clock is a referee protest do you? It just makes you look like a bored, fair weather fan. I'm not gonna knock you for leaving b/c people have the freedom to make that choice, but to pretend it's for some referee protest is pretty weak..

[fellahmuskie]

Look, I doubt X-Man left the game because he's not a good Xavier fan. I love basketball and so these rule changes are really frustrating for me, too, if this number of fouls keep being called. After spending some time researching the rules changes and reading up on different analysis, I'm feeling more optimistic that this will be a good thing in the long run...but as someone who just loves basketball, I totally identify with X-Man's reaction. I'm going to be sick if this ends up negatively impacting college basketball (though, again, I'm optimistic it's ultimately a good thing).

[wkrq59]

Some important stats:
1)28 XU made baskets--20 assists, no selfish players;
2)Points in paint, X50, MH, 16.;
3) 56 fouls called,
4)MH held to 18.5 % ist half, 29.2 for game;
5)X 21-30 FTs 70%
Great game to watch but too many fouls

[X-man]

You don't actually think that leaving with 9 minutes left on the clock is a referee protest do you? It just makes you look like a bored, fair weather fan. I'm not gonna knock you for leaving b/c people have the freedom to make that choice, but to pretend it's for some referee protest is pretty weak..

That, I am not. I am on the faculty at X, and could get free tickets if I chose. Instead I buy season tickets, and Premium II tickets at that on a prof's salary, because I LOVE Xavier basketball and want to support the team. I have been a season ticket buyer for about 25 years, and I go to every game. My second ticket goes to a series of friends because my wife doesn't like sports.

Last night was just too frustrating. At the 16 minute mark of the second half, the ref's were on track to call 50 foulfs...in the second half! And this on top of 30 first half fouls. I know that it isn't fair to the players, and I get it how difficult it must be for them to adjust. But last night was dominated by three extraordinarily incompetent officials. You might recall that we didn't have this kind of game against Tennessee.

Impugn my motives all you want, but I am a good and loyal fan. And last night I just couldn't take another whistle. I had to get out of there or I was going to do something I would later regret.

[American X]

I had to get out of there or I was going to do something I would later regret.

Like what? A fat chick?

[Masterofreality]

Choppy game because of the fouls.

-Stain is the real deal and sees the court wonderfully.
-Our freshmen guards had freshman guard games. Myles shot was off and Brandon dribbled right into turnovers. That is why having depth is a wonderful thing.
-Dee played like Dee, very well. Hit a shot when he got it and steadied the shop.
-There is just something not right with JMart. He seems to be trying but shot an ugly airball 3 over the rim and missed sone other shots too. He was hesitant to take open 3's that the team will need for him to make down the road. He did make his free throws though.
-Jalen Reynolds looked much more comfortable. The kid will be a force when he settles down.
-Everyone else played as expected.
-Student section is superb. Way to step it up, folks.

[gladdenguy]

I think Dee Davis is going to be much better being that "pass first" guard as Chris wants him to be. He will have less pressure on him this year and he should have a great year.

Still worried about free throws and outside shooting. This team does defend and if it can get out and run they are tough.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFMin8rqAgA

[XUFan09]

I think Dee Davis is going to be much better being that "pass first" guard as Chris wants him to be. He will have less pressure on him this year and he should have a great year.

Agreed. I think Dee never felt comfortable in the role pushed on him last year. Like Drew Lavender, he's a pass-first point guard that relies on strong offensive options around him, but unlike Drew Lavender, he's not individually enough of a scorer to be one of the main offensive options (hence, he's even more reliant on those around him than Drew was). On a team like this, Dee has the opportunity to simply run a smooth offense that makes those offensive options more efficient, dish out assists, and score when the opportunity presents itself. He does that very well, and I'll take a 2.25:1 A/TO ratio against a trapping team any day. I don't think this will be the last game we see Dee shoot decently from the field (58% effective field goal percentage) yet still garner more assists than points.

[XUFan09]

-There is just something not right with JMart. He seems to be trying but shot an ugly airball 3 over the rim and missed sone other shots too. He was hesitant to take open 3's that the team will need for him to make down the road. He did make his free throws though.


Yeah, something was weird with his shooting, with his only made field goal coming off a fast break. I was happy to see him active, though, even when he kept missing (which was usually a recipe for him to put his head down and mentally check out). He grabbed a couple rebounds, got a couple steals, moved well with and without the ball, and got to the line four times in just 13 minutes. So if it was just a weird shooting game for him from which he'll bounce back, his overall play was promising. Even if he's just an aggressive role player, he'll make this team much better.

[XUFan09]

Look, I doubt X-Man left the game because he's not a good Xavier fan. I love basketball and so these rule changes are really frustrating for me, too, if this number of fouls keep being called. After spending some time researching the rules changes and reading up on different analysis, I'm feeling more optimistic that this will be a good thing in the long run...but as someone who just loves basketball, I totally identify with X-Man's reaction. I'm going to be sick if this ends up negatively impacting college basketball (though, again, I'm optimistic it's ultimately a good thing).

I do think in the long run it will be a good thing. Offensive movement in recent years has been painful, with defenders becoming abusive on and off the ball (especially off the ball on cuts and screens) and charges being called far too often in comparison to blocks. That needed to be rectified, so now we're going to deal with some painful games in the short run. What I worry about is that we'll run into refs that will not be willing to call all those fouls, which will lead to an inconsistent message that prolongs this transition (or even causes it to fail).

That being said, I think these refs last night would have been whistle-happy in any season.

[paulxu]

Can I start now to blame John Cahill for poor officiating...or are these not BE refs.

[MADXSTER]

Just wait till we lose a game with this type of officiating. All hell will be breaking loose.

[BandAid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFMin8rqAgA

That link would be more aptly titled: Semaj Christon's Higlights Against Morehead St.

[ballyhoohoo]

Like what? A fat chick?

Hey-oh!!!