I Hate the A-10 [Archive] - Xavier Message Board

GoMuskies

11-11-2013, 01:49 AM

kyxu

11-11-2013, 07:18 AM

Dayton beat IPFW on a buzzer-beater Saturday night, 81-80. Way to go, Flyers!

ammtd34

11-11-2013, 08:16 AM

Dayton beat IPFW on a buzzer-beater Saturday night, 81-80. Way to go, Flyers!

Hilarious game.

Masterofreality

11-11-2013, 09:03 AM

Well, they finally were able to schedule low enough to win those games.

BTW Dookcane killed Abeline Christian. Dookcane. OH, the HUMANITY!

(BTW. X had nothing to do with that scheduling. The AC game came from Battle for Atlantis)

Kahns Krazy

11-11-2013, 09:03 AM

I actually seem to remember the opening weekend being the best the A-10 was every year. I don't know if it was 12-1, but I bet there were some 10-2 starts in there, followed quickly by 10-20 runs.

bobbiemcgee

11-11-2013, 09:30 AM

Dayton beat IPFW on a buzzer-beater Saturday night, 81-80. Way to go, Flyers!

They pulled a win out of their ass to an 18 pt. dog @ home and think it's one of the greatest flyer victories ever. Celebrated like they won the NC. Yes, indeed, hilarious.

Milhouse

11-11-2013, 09:46 AM

You mean the NIT championship right?

Titanxman04

11-11-2013, 10:01 AM

You mean the NIT championship right?

People still care about the NIT?

nuts4xu

11-11-2013, 10:19 AM

People still care about the NIT?

They do in dayton...I don't think they do anywhere else.

GoMuskies

11-11-2013, 10:21 AM

They do in dayton...I don't think they do anywhere else.

They did in Wichita. Too much, I thought. Now that they've had a taste of actual success here, though, they don't care about the NIT anymore.

xubrew

11-11-2013, 10:40 AM

All these years we're in the league, and the bottom feeders lost to low majors left and right and made us look like shit when it came time to start looking at the RPI. So what happens? We leave, and THIS is the year the A-10 decides to start off 12-1. Thanks a lot guys. Where the hell was that when we were in the league? Don't get me wrong, no one in the league has beaten a soul (BC doesn't count), and the one loss was particularly damaging (LaSuck acting like LaSuck and losing at home to Manhattan), but I don't ever remember a 12-1 non-conference stretch in our entire 17 year stint in the league. Uncanny.

I think Manhattan is actually pretty good. The problem is that the game at La Salle was most likely the toughest one on their schedule. So, if they don't win the last game of the season in the conference tournament, they better not have more than two or three losses.

xudash

11-11-2013, 10:52 AM

They pulled a win out of their ass to an 18 pt. dog @ home and think it's one of the greatest flyer victories ever. Celebrated like they won the NC. Yes, indeed, hilarious.

That is what I find most remarkable.

These poor idiots are so used to not achieving success that the current thinking is about pulling out close wins, rather than suffering their normal multiple close losses year in and year out.

This was a positive outcome! This was a building block. This marked the beginning of a brave new era, at least for a few weeks.

Here's the - their - problem: the very way the game ended with them having more points had virtually nothing to do with excellent execution by UD, but had everything to do, as I understand it, with a brain freeze by the IPFW players. They had the game won, and they blew it.

This game caused me to pay a quiet visit to the Prider's site. One of the biggest idiots over there is some guy named Fudd, whose name is appropriate, given that the guy probably named himself after Elmer Fudd. This guy is so ragingly jealous of Xavier it is comical.

It doesn't get any funnier or pathetic than this: "By the number of X fans who are gnashing their teeth about our win, it seems that we would deliver the Cincinnati market if we were in the BE. They can't help but to be riveted to their televisions hoping that we fall. And just imagine the numbers in Milwaukee...."

He can't comprehend the difference between an angry reaction and one comprised of comical disbelief. Otherwise, equating a few posts on a Xavier message board to Cincinnati television ratings that have anything to do with anyone caring about Dayton basketball is priceless.

Finally, I don't know what it means that X fans are "riveted to our televisions, hoping that we (UD) fall." UD already is a failure. No hope required.

Titanxman04

11-11-2013, 10:59 AM

That is what I find most remarkable.

These poor idiots are so used to not achieving success that the current thinking is about pulling out close wins, rather than suffering their normal multiple close losses year in and year out.

This was a positive outcome! This was a building block. This marked the beginning of a brave new era, at least for a few weeks.

Here's the - their - problem: the very way the game ended with them having more points had virtually nothing to do with excellent execution by UD, but had everything to do, as I understand it, with a brain freeze by the IPFW players. They had the game won, and they blew it.

This game caused me to pay a quiet visit to the Prider's site. One of the biggest idiots over there is some guy named Fudd, whose name is appropriate, given that the guy probably named himself after Elmer Fudd. This guy is so ragingly jealous of Xavier it is comical.

It doesn't get any funnier or pathetic than this: "By the number of X fans who are gnashing their teeth about our win, it seems that we would deliver the Cincinnati market if we were in the BE. They can't help but to be riveted to their televisions hoping that we fall. And just imagine the numbers in Milwaukee...."

He can't comprehend the difference between an angry reaction and one comprised of comical disbelief. Otherwise, equating a few posts on a Xavier message board to Cincinnati television ratings that have anything to do with anyone caring about Dayton basketball is priceless.

Finally, I don't know what it means that X fans are "riveted to our televisions, hoping that we (UD) fall." UD already is a failure. No hope required.

Again, pardon my ignorance (most of you have for quite some time already), but UD gets on tv?

I lived with three dayton grads. They love their Flyers and for that, I cannot fault them. I've had many a great, drunken evenings on that campus with some high school buddies who went there, and for that, I cannot fully hate the institution. However, I still remember walking by a room during halftime of a Xavier game (which we were actually on television) to see all three of them huddling together in front of a laptop to catch the webstream because there was no other way to view it. If it was a few times, that'd be fine, but it was EVERY game. Hilarious.

ammtd34

11-11-2013, 11:07 AM

Here's the - their - problem: the very way the game ended with them having more points had virtually nothing to do with excellent execution by UD, but had everything to do, as I understand it, with a brain freeze by the IPFW players. They had the game won, and they blew it.

It was a hilarious play. Maybe more hilarious than AJ Green's touchdown yesterday. IPFW was taking the ball out of bounds under UD's hoop with a 2 point lead and 6 seconds to go. The guy throws a terrible long pass that goes to mid court. Khari Price intercepted it and fell on his stomach. I'm not sure why it wasn't a travel. From the ground, he threw it to a guy who was only in to foul. I've never seen that guy before. He panicked, traveled, and found Seibert in the corner for a 3 with a second to go. It took a horrible pass, two missed travels, and a corner three to beat IPFW. I'm not sure why Dayton fans think we're mad, or why they care how we react to their games in the first place. Since they are concerned, I'll give them my reaction: hysterical laughter.

paulxu

11-11-2013, 11:34 AM

St Francis (NY) beat Miami this past weekend. I suspect the flyers are in for a rude awakening.

xubrew

11-11-2013, 11:38 AM

The Weber State team that beat them last year was actually decent.

IPFW just flat out sucks.

GoMuskies

11-11-2013, 11:53 AM

Is Masiello still at Manhattan? I have the Google machine, but I thought it would be more fun to ask you.

That guy's a true asshat.

xubrew

11-11-2013, 11:57 AM

Yes, he's still there.

Titanxman04

11-11-2013, 12:09 PM

Is Masiello still at Manhattan? I have the Google machine, but I thought it would be more fun to ask you.

That guy's a true asshat.

How so?

xubrew

11-11-2013, 12:10 PM

Most coaches are.

GoMuskies

11-11-2013, 12:52 PM

How so?

He's a guy that was roundly hated on UK's campus. Here's a short messageboard thread on him and a ticket scandal he was involved in while he was an assistant coach at Louisville under Pitino. It gives you a taste of how UK people who were in Lexington the same time he was think of him.

http://bluegrasspreps.com/college-basketball/steve-masiello-scam-204194.html

Masterofreality

11-11-2013, 09:08 PM

Well, Temple is pulling their usual early season sheet.

Lose to Kent at home. I will not miss the Atlantic 10.

xubrew

11-11-2013, 09:22 PM

SMU is beating up on Rhode Island. SMU is very much improved, but for Rhody to go in there and get absolutely smoked is a sign that they're probably not very good.

X-Fan

11-11-2013, 09:23 PM

Well, Temple is pulling their usual early season sheet.

Lose to Kent at home. I will not miss the Atlantic 10.

Funny thing is, they're in the "AAC" now. I had te same thought watching he game till I saw that hilarious/generic/lame "American" logo on the court.

Classic.

Masterofreality

11-11-2013, 09:27 PM

Funny thing is, they're in the "AAC" now. I had te same thought watching he game till I saw that hilarious/generic/lame "American" logo on the court.

Classic.

Ahhhhhh, hah! Forgot already!

vee4xu

11-11-2013, 10:13 PM

Yeah, one of life's great ironies for Temple. Leave the A-10 purportedly for the Big East, until the Big East breaks up and Xavier ends up in the Big East while Temple ends up with the University of Clifton in some second-rate league of leftovers. Save Louisville which leaves the AAC next year for the ACC.

Milhouse

11-12-2013, 10:01 AM

AAC-A10 Challenge.

xubrew

11-12-2013, 10:12 AM

Masterofreality

11-12-2013, 10:19 AM

I thought Manhattan was legit, and may even be an at-large caliber team. So, I wasn't too shocked when La Salle lost to them.

They're now having to sweat out Quinnipiac. There's lots of time left, but they haven't been able to pull away.

I know it's a 9:00am game, but for a Sweet 16 team to only have about 2,000 people show up, including students, is just sad.

A-10.

xubrew

11-12-2013, 10:26 AM

I know it's a 9:00am game, but for a Sweet 16 team to only have about 2,000 people show up, including students, is just sad.

A-10.

If you're kidding, that's pretty funny.

A Sweet Sixteen that I believe has four starters back is struggling against Quinnipiac.

Masterofreality

11-12-2013, 10:30 AM

If you're kidding, that's pretty funny.

A Sweet Sixteen that I believe has four starters back is struggling against Quinnipiac.

They pulled the old "let's move almost everyone to one side of the building that faces the TV cameras to make the crowd look good" move. Meanwhile, the side below the TV cameras is basically empty, except for close to court.

xubrew

11-12-2013, 10:32 AM

I didn't think it sat that much more than 2000.

Masterofreality

11-12-2013, 10:38 AM

I didn't think it sat that much more than 2000.

They quote that it holds 3,400 in the garage.

nuts4xu

11-12-2013, 10:39 AM

I didn't think it sat that much more than 2000.

Their average attendance is probably in the 2000 range. That program can make sweet 16's for 12 more years, and I don't think anyone in Philly would give a shit.

X-band '01

11-12-2013, 11:08 AM

They pulled the old "let's move almost everyone to one side of the building that faces the TV cameras to make the crowd look good" move. Meanwhile, the side below the TV cameras is basically empty, except for close to court.

Rinse and repeat with UMass about to tip off with LSU.

xubrew

11-12-2013, 11:10 AM

Rinse and repeat with UMass about to tip off with LSU.

If they moved everybody to one side so the crowd shots would look good on camera, then they moved them to the wrong side.

Masterofreality

11-12-2013, 11:12 AM

Rinse and repeat with UMass about to tip off with LSU.

If they moved everybody to one side so the crowd shots would look good on camera, then they moved them to the wrong side.

Yeah, in Amherst there are thousands of good seats available.

Masterofreality

11-12-2013, 11:14 AM

By the way, WTF with UMess's uniforms? Are they steel blue with maroon?

Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaach!

JAPER

11-12-2013, 11:31 PM

Another great day for the A10 today, only L was frodham at syrexcuse.

Masterofreality

11-13-2013, 12:16 AM

Another great day for the A10 today, only L was frodham at syrexcuse.

well, there was the loss by Charl........Never Mind!

xubrew

11-14-2013, 02:35 PM

The Atlantic Ten is now 22-4 with wins @Virginia, vs Boston College, LSU and Belmont. Not bad.

bobbiemcgee

11-14-2013, 03:15 PM

VCU squeaked thru with a buzze beater against #25, otherwise, not impressed.

xubrew

11-14-2013, 04:11 PM

I'm not necessarily impressed, but it's better than what I thought it would be. I'm more surprised that the bottom of the league has held its own more than anything else. They haven't dropped games to teams that they shouldn't be losing to.

Masterofreality

11-14-2013, 06:11 PM

GoMuskies

11-22-2013, 04:25 PM

UMass apparenly doesn't suck for the first time in forever. They're pounding #19 New Mexico in Charleston.

The_Mack_Pack

11-22-2013, 04:40 PM

The best players in that conference are mostly all seniors and their doesn't appear to be nearly as many good underclassmen. Give it a couple more seasons and they'll start to show the pain of losing X, Butler, and Temple.

OTRMUSKIE

11-22-2013, 11:25 PM

Even though the A 10 is playing well they are still ranked 5th while the Big East is 2nd. This a down year for the Big East too. The great thing about being gone from the A10 is we don't have to deal with 6 bottom feeders if not more. We now only gave to deal with one in De Paul. I always thought this would be a good year for the A10. It will implode very soon with UMASS, St Louis and Richmond/VCU leaving. It might be a good year for them but the perception is its a Mid Major conference and if you pull up the scores on The Score app the A10 is listed under mid major. Although the AAC is listed under major so take it with a grain of salt.

MADXSTER

11-24-2013, 04:53 PM

The A10 may benefit the most of all leagues with the new rule change. The A10 has always been more guard oriented and teams that drive to the basket are going to have more calls go their way.

Masterofreality

11-24-2013, 04:55 PM

The A10 may benefit the most of all leagues with the new rule change. The A10 has always been more guard oriented and teams that drive to the basket are going to have more calls go their way.

Other than VCU. Havoc will have no friends in the officiating ranks.

MADXSTER

11-24-2013, 05:04 PM

Other than VCU. Havoc will have no friends in the officiating ranks.

hmmm Care to expand

Masterofreality

11-24-2013, 06:29 PM

hmmm Care to expand

Nothing surreptitious. You had indicated that the A-10 being guard oriented, would be a beneficiary of the new rules. All I'm saying is that all the reaching in and grabbing that VCU got away with last year won't be allowed by the officials this year. They lost two games over the weekend. It's already happening.

MADXSTER

11-24-2013, 07:13 PM

Nothing surreptitious. You had indicated that the A-10 being guard oriented, would be Abigail beneficiary of the new rules. All I'm saying is tha all the reaching in and grabbing that VCU got away with last year won't be allowed by the officials this year. They lost two games over the weekend. It's already happening.

Aaah, makes sense

Masterofreality

11-24-2013, 07:31 PM

Aaah, makes sense

There were 61 fouls called in the GTown - VCU game today. It lasted almost 3 hours.

X-band '01

11-27-2013, 07:38 AM

Except for LaSuck losing to Manhattan.

And Fordham gets a win AT Manhattan last night.

Sursum_ad_summum

11-27-2013, 09:28 AM

Looks like Dayton snuck up on Gonzaga. Go figure ?

Masterofreality

11-27-2013, 11:12 AM

George Mason and St. Louis both lose. Rhodee won, but not impressively against a bad opponent.

The A-10 is what it always is. A flagship, which was Xavier, a couple or three pretty good teams and a bunch of mediocrity to bad. No more Temple or XU.

VCU? Pretty good. St. Louis? Pretty good. UMess? Pretty good- for now. The dump? Per usual- one big win then a meltdown. Richmond, Bonnies, GW, St. Joes, LaSuck? Mediocre. Fordham, Rhodee, GMason, Dookcane? Bad.

TEAM CONF OVERALL
Massachusetts 0-0 6-0
George Washington 0-0 4-0
Dayton 0-0 5-1
Saint Louis 0-0 5-1
St. Bonaventure 0-0 5-1
Rhode Island 0-0 6-2
George Mason 0-0 4-2
Richmond 0-0 4-2
Virginia Commonwealth 0-0 4-2
Saint Joseph's 0-0 2-1
Fordham 0-0 3-2
Duquesne 0-0 2-2
La Salle 0-0 3-4

GoMuskies

11-27-2013, 11:18 AM

Only one team with a losing record by Thanksgiving?!? That NEVER happened when we were in the league. I demand justice!

xubrew

11-27-2013, 12:47 PM

Other than VCU. Havoc will have no friends in the officiating ranks.

VCU is a slashing team that should be able to get to the line. I don't think they're being whistled for that many more fouls than they ever have before.

VCU routinely loses half their games within the first six or seven games of the year. This year is no different. They'll be fine.

George Mason is coached by Paul Hewitt. He is a walking train wreck. They will have potential, and seemingly never reach it.

Masterofreality

11-27-2013, 01:55 PM

Only one team with a losing record by Thanksgiving?!? That NEVER happened when we were in the league. I demand justice!

They've finally dumbed down their schedule enough.

GoMuskies

11-27-2013, 02:05 PM

They've finally dumbed down their schedule enough.

Something we were pleading with the bottom feeders to do for years. Years.

Masterofreality

11-27-2013, 02:34 PM

VCU is a slashing team that should be able to get to the line. I don't think they're being whistled for that many more fouls than they ever have before.

VCU routinely loses half their games within the first six or seven games of the year. This year is no different. They'll be fine.

George Mason is coached by Paul Hewitt. He is a walking train wreck. They will have potential, and seemingly never reach it.

Well, you're not too far off. VCU was 3-3 in the first 6 games last year. This year they are averaging 1 more foul per game than last year, although it is a very small sample.

We'll see how it goes for the full year, although I'm still not that impressed with them.

Masterofreality

11-27-2013, 05:49 PM

By the way, all kinds of media wise guys are falling all over UMess all of a sudden...as if Derek Kellogg has all of a sudden learned how to coach. He hasn't.

UMess's two best wins are against LSU...by 2...at home...and New Mexico in Charleston- the day after New Mexico had to play double overtime to beat UAB. Clemson is 98 in the RPI. Wow, big deal.

Not impressed.

xubrew

11-27-2013, 06:14 PM

Masterofreality

11-27-2013, 06:46 PM

Being undefeated and blowing out a ranked team in the process will tend to get the attention of the media no matter who you are.

Is there a team that is ranked below UMass that you believe has done more than them up to this point??

Blowing out a ranked team that was exhausted from a double overtime game the night before.

If you are talking polls, I would say Florida State and Arizona State. If you're talking RPI, I'd say Kansas, Wisconsin, UConn, Michigan State...etc, etc, etc.

xubrew

11-27-2013, 07:13 PM

I was talking about the polls since the media's love affair with anyone wouldn't have any impact whatsoever on the RPI. I don't think they're as good as UConn, Michigan State, Kansas or Wiscy either, but I do think they're at least as good as their ranking.

I totally agree that Florida State is for real. I wouldn't be surprised if they won at Florida on Friday. They're a good team.

I'm not so sure how good Arizona State is. They've been way better than expected so far, but I'm not all the way on their bandwagon yet. I know they beat Marquette the other night, but I haven't exactly been blown away by them either. We'll see how they do out at the Wooden.

GoMuskies

11-29-2013, 12:13 PM

GW is 5-0 and a 3.5 point underdog against preseason Big East favorite Marquette on a neutral floor this afternoon.

xubrew

11-29-2013, 03:39 PM

If Marquette doesn't win that I'll be disappointed, but not all that surprised.

In other words. I think they'll win. They definitely should win. But, it wouldn't surprise me if they end up crapping it away.

Masterofreality

12-01-2013, 03:11 PM

St. Louis goes down at home to Wichita State.

GoMuskies

12-01-2013, 03:17 PM

St. Louis goes down at home to Wichita State.

As they should.

Masterofreality

12-06-2013, 04:04 PM

Whew.

Providence barely avoided an embarrassing loss to Rhody last night 50-49. Also VCU barely squeaked one out at home Vs Eastern KY.

Don't want to give any Cryer fans any hope that their league may match up. They had a monumental win vs Delaware State.

X-band '01

12-06-2013, 04:27 PM

The PC-RI game was at Rhody - even the coaches were getting into it late in that one. Gotta give the Friars credit for pulling one out on the road.

GoMuskies

12-08-2013, 06:37 PM

GW beat Maryland in D.C. today.

How bad would Maryland be if Dez had wrapped up? Apparently really, really bad.

xubrew

12-08-2013, 07:57 PM

Masterofreality

12-08-2013, 09:45 PM

The PC v Rhody game was awesome. I knew it was a rivalry, but I didn't know the temperature of it was quite that hot.

The Atlantic Ten has more good wins than the Big East, but the BE is 7-1 against the A10.

The Big East is #3 still in the RPI. A10 is 6th.

BTW, our friends to the north went down against your Illinois State Redbirds.

xsteve1

12-08-2013, 10:16 PM

The PC v Rhody game was awesome. I knew it was a rivalry, but I didn't know the temperature of it was quite that hot.

The Atlantic Ten has more good wins than the Big East, but the BE is 7-1 against the A10.

Dayton's got a win vs. Gonzaga, UMass has a win over a decent New Mexico team. Not sure if that is any better than what the Big East has done so far especially considering what Nova has done.

paulxu

12-08-2013, 10:46 PM

The Atlantic Ten has more good wins than the Big East,

The Big East is #3 still in the RPI. A10 is 6th.

These 2 things do not seem to make sense with each other.

xubrew

12-08-2013, 11:51 PM

The Big East will not end up being third in the RPI. It's not a reliable metric until everyone has played ten games, and even then it is still erratic. If you're going off of that, then VCU's win at Belmont was totally awesome. I do think it was a good win, but I don't think Belmont is quite as good as their current RPI.

Nova beat Kansas and Iowa, and Georegetown beat VCU. Outside of that, what's the next best win?? Creighton over Arizona State?? Xavier over Tennessee?? Marquette over George Washington?? Am I missing any others that are noteworthy?? Are any of those teams likely tournament teams?? Maybe Tennessee is, but I think they're about on the same level as LSU, who UMass also beat.

I think UMass's win over BYU was pretty good, and VCU's win at Belmont was good. I know those aren't brand name wins, but those are likely teams that will be in the NCAA Tournament and won't need to win their conference tournaments to get there. VCU also won at Virginia, who is probably a tournament team as well George Washington beat Creighton, who I assume will be a tournament team, and beat Maryland who....okay, Maryland is pretty bad.

Cal is also a likely tournament team, and Dayton beat them out in Maui.

When it comes to which has more notable wins, I don't think it's close right now. I mentioned this in another thread, but people who are hung up on what the current RPI is are looking at something that is not reliable or accurate yet.