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[MADXSTER]

Dayton is down by 1 to IPFW with 5 min to go at home.

[Fireball]

Down 5 with 34.3. Will be hilarious if they lose this...

[Fireball]

On a side note, Jim Kelch is doing play-by-play for this game. Never realized he did basketball before.

[Fireball]

Holy crap did IPFW give that game away to Dayton. Stupid Mastodons.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Wow Dayton is awful! It counts as a win and sometimes you need games like that to wake you up but it's freakng Dayton! This is what they do! Gonna be another long year for those guys but did we expect anything different. Maybe another ACC school can hire Archie after he puts up another NIT banner for UD.

[xudash]

Wow Dayton is awful! It counts as a win and sometimes you need games like that to wake you up but it's freakng Dayton! This is what they do! Gonna be another long year for those guys but did we expect anything different. Maybe another ACC school can hire Archie after he puts up another NIT banner for UD.

That requires that he navigates the douchebags to the NIT. I guess one could argue that this was about waking up for them. Then again, how does a team allow themselves to perform like this in their season opener?

UD is worthless.

[MADXSTER]

IPFW actually got homered at the end. An IPFW player catches the inbounds pass and gets knocked out of bounds. No call. He tosses the ball back in play as he falls out of bounds, a UD player gets it and gets bumped, but not nearly as hard as the IPFW player, and the UD player gets the call. I call Fubar.

[xudash]

IPFW actually got homered at the end. An IPFW player catches the inbounds pass and gets knocked out of bounds. No call. He tosses the ball back in play as he falls out of bounds, a UD player gets it and gets bumped, but not nearly as hard as the IPFW player, and the UD player gets the call. I call Fubar.

UD FAN VERSION: We should never have allowed them to play us this closely, but our guys found a way to win at the end.

[xubrew]

IPFW actually got homered at the end. An IPFW player catches the inbounds pass and gets knocked out of bounds. No call. He tosses the ball back in play as he falls out of bounds, a UD player gets it and gets bumped, but not nearly as hard as the IPFW player, and the UD player gets the call. I call Fubar.

I agree that they were homered (at least on that call), but they also totally blew it too.

I mean....my GOD did they blow it!!

It's the latest choke job in a growing list of choke jobs this first weekend.

[Masterofreality]

LaSuck loses to Manhattan. LaSuck returns to the Lossalle that we knew & abhorred.

I don't miss the A10

[Fireball]

That decision to throw the long pass at the end was horrible. IPFW basically threw the ball right to a Dayton player that was standing right there.

In-bound the ball, shoot your free throws, win the game.

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[xubrew]

LaSuck loses to Manhattan. LaSuck returns to the Lossalle that we knew & abhorred.

I don't miss the A10

I think Manhattan might be good. The problem is that today was probably their toughest OOC game, and maybe their toughest game period. They needed to give themselves more chances to establish themselves than what they did. They do go to South Carolina and Illinois State, but neither of them are particularly special. They better not lose more than two or three or else they may get left out if they trip up in the conference tournament.

[Masterofreality]

I think Manhattan might be good. The problem is that today was probably their toughest OOC game, and maybe their toughest game period. They needed to give themselves more chances to establish themselves than what they did. They do go to South Carolina and Illinois State, but neither of them are particularly special. They better not lose more than two or three or else they may get left out if they trip up in the conference tournament.

Manhattan is in the MAAC. One bid league no matter what happens.

[X-band '01]

In the words of Ben Stein, there is a chance (albeit a small one) that you can get an at-large out of the MAAC. Iona pulled it off a couple of seasons ago.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Abilene Christian is leading Maryland at the half..

Maryland even shot over 50% from the field in the first half which is amazing for them.

[xubrew]

Abilene Christian is leading Maryland at the half..

Maryland even shot over 50% from the field in the first half which is amazing for them.

This is going to come off as faint praise, but I'm actually impressed with Abilene Christian given that they are a transitional team. They were getting destroyed for the first part of the Duquesne, but since then they've actually played hard. They led Maryland at the half for crissake.

They only won 12 games last year as a div2 team. Because the transitional rules are so ridiculous, these guys have nothing to play for. They can't be in a conference tournament or NCAA Tournament for four years. When these guys were being recruited, they didn't know they'd end up being a transitional team, so they're now in a completely different situation than what they signed up for. To me, I think it shows a lot of character to get out there and bust your ass knowing that you're way overmatched, and even if you do win there isn't whole lot of reward for it because you're not allowed to play toward any type of postseason. They're schedule is put together to have them on the receiving end of buy games. That's it. Even their own department has no expectations of them being competitive while they're a transitional team.

NKU is in their second year as a transitional team, and I've been impressed with them as well. I was jumping up and down during their season opener against Purdue because I wanted them to pull it off so badly. They had a chance to win at the buzzer and missed it. But still, it was a tremendous effort.

[xavierj]

Interesting note from Gardner Webbs loss against Furman on Tuesday. William Gates Jr., a freshman for Furman dropped in 18 points. Anyone remember that name?

[Retire33]

Hoop dreams? That William Gates?

Because I assume Bill Gates kid playing college hoops would get some pub ;)

[X-band '01]

Hard to believe that the Hoop Dreams documentary is 20 years old. I wonder what Gates and his co-star Arthur Agee are up to these days.

[xavierj]

Hoop dreams? That William Gates?

Because I assume Bill Gates kid playing college hoops would get some pub ;)

Yes from Hoop Dreams. Apparently his kid started playing basketball in the 8th grade and went to St. Joes for a couple of years but the pressure of following in his dad's footsteps didn't workout. He went to a public school for a year and then they moved to Texas his senior year to get away from the city.,

[xubrew]

Manhattan is in the MAAC. One bid league no matter what happens.

Any league can be a multi-bid league if their teams play well out of conference. The MAAC sent two teams two years ago (sort of). Don't you remember Iona's epic meltdown against BYU in the opening round?? Iona was an at-large team.

[MADXSTER]

St John's up 6 over Wagner with 3:10 to go. WTF

Also St. John's arena looks a lot like Xavier's field house. And it needs a paint job.

NOT IMPRESSED

[paulxu]

Kelsey has put together an interesting schedule at Winthrop.
Plays at VCU tonight, and later plays JMU and VT, along with Wofford and Dayton.

[bleedXblue]

Kelsey has put together an interesting schedule at Winthrop.
Plays at VCU tonight, and later plays JMU and VT, along with Wofford and Dayton.

Kelsey had some big wins last year over OU and Auburn I believe.

They play @ Dayton on New Year's Day. Seriously considering going up there and rooting him on just to piss off UD fans.

[STL_XUfan]

1300

How is this box score even possible. Auburn was leading by 9 at half, puts up 44 in the second half and manages to lose by 19?!?! I think if this happened at Cintas there would be a riot.

[XUFan09]

72 points in a half? That's video-game levels.

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[xubrew]

I'd say the new rules emphasis may be overfixing the problems.

[paulxu]

nevermind; football score.

[BlueX]

Announcer for Marquette vs Beakeyes game keeps mentioning what an important game for Marq. because of the quality of Big East now. And with this being the #10 team vs #17 I am liking this X teams chances for a big year more and more.

[Masterofreality]

Announcer for Marquette vs Beakeyes game keeps mentioning what an important game for Marq. because of the quality of Big East now. And with this being the #10 team vs #17 I am liking this X teams chances for a big year more and more.

Why aren't Gus and Raft doing this game? They have Ohio State grad Jim Jackson on the crew. Isn't Fox trying to build their brand?

By the way, "Beakeyes". I see you working, Blue. I see you.

[paulxu]

Can either of these teams shoot? 19-19 at halftime. Combined 3 for 21 behind the arc.

This must be one butt ugly game.

[waggy]

The B1G is a quai Fox "property" too, isn't it?

[Masterofreality]

The B1G is a quai Fox "property" too, isn't it?

Fox does have an investment in the Big 10 Network.

[waggy]

Pretty sure they are 50/50 on the B1G network. The Longhorn network is an ESPN deal.

[Masterofreality]

Pretty sure they are 50/50 on the B1G network. The Longhorn network is an ESPN deal.

Yep, just looked it up.

[xudash]

The B1G is a quai Fox "property" too, isn't it?

BTN is a joint venture between Fox and the B1G.

[Masterofreality]

Does Marquette have any outside shooters at all?

[waggy]

If you're gonna get your ass kicked like this it's better to do so on the road.

[MADXSTER]

Marquette scores 35 in a loss to OSU. In a home game. Ouch

[Nigel Tufnel]

Marquette scores 35 in a loss to OSU. In a home game. Ouch

I read multiple comments on the internet that the XU/Tenn game set the game of basketball back 50 years because it was so ugly....ummmm, I think we have a new winner on that front. 10-53 FG, 1-18 3 pt fg. At home....seriously? Wow.

[xudash]

Golf isn't the only sport that is played 5 inches between the ears.

[muskiefan82]

Creighton pulled one out against St. Joes. They got lucky

[xudash]

And the Butheads survived Princeton.

[fellahmuskie]

Do any of the college basketball nuts on here have a recommendation for the best website(s) to follow college basketball? Obviously, I know the major sports websites out there, but I'm wondering which has the best content and if there are some blogs, lower-profile stuff that I don't know about. I've always followed Xavier, but I'm more interested in getting into the game as a whole. In the pros, NBA.com makes it really easy with all the interviews and highlights - I wish there wan an equivalent for the NCAA.

[Juice]

Do any of the college basketball nuts on here have a recommendation for the best website(s) to follow college basketball? Obviously, I know the major sports websites out there, but I'm wondering which has the best content and if there are some blogs, lower-profile stuff that I don't know about. I've always followed Xavier, but I'm more interested in getting into the game as a whole. In the pros, NBA.com makes it really easy with all the interviews and highlights - I wish there wan an equivalent for the NCAA.

Rushthecourt.net is pretty good IMO.

[Muskie]

Do any of the college basketball nuts on here have a recommendation for the best website(s) to follow college basketball? Obviously, I know the major sports websites out there, but I'm wondering which has the best content and if there are some blogs, lower-profile stuff that I don't know about. I've always followed Xavier, but I'm more interested in getting into the game as a whole. In the pros, NBA.com makes it really easy with all the interviews and highlights - I wish there wan an equivalent for the NCAA.

Collegebasketballtalk.com

[fellahmuskie]

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check 'em out. Stuck in Russia right now, but pretty decided on moving back to the US next summer and plan on spending all of my free time November - June on basketball (doesn't hurt that I've converted my wife into a huge X fan and basketball fan, in general).

[Masterofreality]

Griffin McKenzie is on Denver's roster.

He played 5 tail end minutes in a blow out loss to Cal and has seen no time in today's game through the first half against Stanford.

I hope that he's using his scholarship properly to set up his future life with good academics.

[xubrew]

Denver has been a huge disappointment so far.

Congrats to UNC, who advances to the semifinals of the Hall of Fame Tip-Off Tournament.

They lost to Belmont, but because it's not really a tournament even though it's called one, UNC still advances.

[vee4xu]

VCU is getting smoked by Florida State. I believe that the game is in Puerto Rico.

[GoMuskies]

All three games in Puerto Rico have been upsets so far (assuming VCU doesn't storm back for the win).

[vee4xu]

VCU is down by 22 with 8 minutes to go.

[GoMuskies]

Michigan beat LBSU in the other game, so there was one non-upset. Michigan has a virtual cakewalk through that tournament now.

[xubrew]

I think Florida State may be for real. Most of the ACC teams were overvalued coming into the year, especially when you look at what they've done in the first two weeks. FSU appears to be the loan exception. They were actually undervalued.

I think the win at UCF was a nice win as well. I don't think it's any guarantee that Michigan will walk all over them.

[MADXSTER]

VCU up 30 - 29 over Georgetown at the half. Good game to watch. DSR is pretty good.

[Lloyd Braun]

VCU up 30 - 29 over Georgetown at the half. Good game to watch. DSR is pretty good.

Can someone refresh my memory on the recruiting front? Was DSR a verbal before Semaj? Was there a way to have both at any time?

[MADXSTER]

I would say yes to both.

[X-band '01]

Providence and La Salle should be an interesting game later on (part of the Paradise Jam).

[MADXSTER]

ESPNU VCU up 4 over Georgetown with 12 min to go. VCU doesn't have any hefty bigs. They have lean PF's who run and as a team have a very pesky defense. DSR is playing very good.

[xudash]

Hoyas getting it under control. Up 6 with 4:00, but a turnover.

[MADXSTER]

DSR 5 of 6 from 3pt land.

GW up 3 w/ 14 sec to go

[Masterofreality]

Havoc goes down. Order restored.

Georgetown made 17 of their last 18 free throws. Quite frankly, Xavier needs to do that.

[Masterofreality]

Duke really got bailed out by the zebras tonight. Beat 1-4 Vermont by 1 point at home..on a crap call on a Vermont player who clearly had all ball on a blocked shot but got called for a foul in a tie game with 5 seconds left.

I'm sure every non-Duke fan in the ACC is used to that kind of occurrence.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Charlotte is really taking it to Michigan right now.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Michigan has since gone on an 8-0 run.. classic Charlotte.

[GoMuskies]

I like Umass and LaSalle tonight. At least against the number (1.5 and 6.5, respectively).

[The_Mack_Pack]

Charlotte pulled out the win. Michigan might struggle more than originally thought without Burke and Hardaway jr. this year.

[Muskie]

Charlotte pulled out the win. Michigan might struggle more than originally thought without Burke and Hardaway jr. this year.

But they have that big guy down low. He's supposed to be the next Big Country.

[GIMMFD]

Duke got bailed out, Michigan got trashed... and I just figured out Chris Thomas is now committed to Marshall instead of Manhattan.. interesting night for college basketball to say the least. lol.

[xudash]

Providence takes out A10 powerhouse LaSalle.

[Masterofreality]

Providence takes out A10 powerhouse LaSalle.

LaSuck has returned to being Lossalle after the universe turned upside down for a year. They go Sweet 16 , Xavier misses the dance.

Yep, upside down.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Dayton shot the lights out in the second half and upset Gonzaga. When will the media stop rating Gonzaga so high? That is a very overrated team who got beat by a team with a 3inch blue stripe on their shoulders. Dayton's uniforms are so awful! Other than that they played lights out and hit some key free throws down the stretch. The bad news for Dayton is they do this every year. They start off strong, win some big games then collapse in conference play. Nothing will be different this year. Great win for them tonight though but I think it ends when they play their first real opponent in Baylor Tuesday night.

[bleedXblue]

Dayton shot the lights out in the second half and upset Gonzaga. When will the media stop rating Gonzaga so high? That is a very overrated team who got beat by a team with a 3inch blue stripe on their shoulders. Dayton's uniforms are so awful! Other than that they played lights out and hit some key free throws down the stretch. The bad news for Dayton is they do this every year. They start off strong, win some big games then collapse in conference play. Nothing will be different this year. Great win for them tonight though but I think it ends when they play their first real opponent in Baylor Tuesday night.

Was thinkning the same damn thing. Overrated Gonzaga...again and UD playing well early....only to totally collapse at some point in the year.

[gladdenguy]

Dayton can beat Baylor. Baylor might be overrated as well. Dayton wins that game they will be in the top 25.

[xudash]

Iowa should stick to football...oh wait, they aren't that distinguished in that either:

http://iowa.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=803&tid=168801328&mid=168801328&sid=940&style=2

Gee, I wish we had some depth, too. Looks like we're going to lose to them by any where from 11 to 30 - if you believe some of the Iowa fans.

[GoMuskies]

I'll call Gonzaga overrated as soon as we beat them. We had a couple of pretty good teams when we went home and home with them, and Gonzaga stole our lunch money.

[Milhouse]

Gonzaga is good in the regular season and then Mark Few swells up in the tournament.

2 Sweet 16s in the last 10 years....and they've had a lot of talent roll through there.

[xubrew]

Traditionally, when Dayton falls behind early, they stay behind. Last night they came back.

Traditionally, Dayton is terrible away from home. They lose to sub-NIT caliber teams more often than they beat them. They have managed wins at Georgia Tech and now against Gonzaga. Georgia Tech isn't that good, but it's still the kind of road game that Dayton typically loses.

Traditionally, when a team makes a run at them, Dayton does not hold on. Last night they did.

I'm thinking this UD team is better than what we're used to seeing.

I don't think Gonzaga is #11, but I do think they're a solid top 25 team. That was a really good win for them.

Baylor, on the other hand, appears to be extremely overrated. They beat Colorado in the first game of the year in what was one of the more sloppy games you'll ever see. They sweat out South Carolina after a shot at the buzzer that would have tied the game was waived off, they struggle to beat Charleston Southern, and then didn't put Chaminade away until late.

[RealDeal]

Is this Miller Lite's farewell tour?

[xudash]

Is this Miller Lite's farewell tour?

Let's see how the entire body of work plays out.

They've done well in these early season tournaments before, only to land firmly and consistently at .500 in A10 play. Of course, we're not there to lay one or two losses per season on them anymore and nor is Temple.

They have plenty of time, and certainly ample experience in and a tradition of mucking it up from here.

[xubrew]

I'm sure this board will continue to actively monitor Dayton's progress and quickly downplay whatever (if any) progress they make. They have looked good to me in their last two games. If they stay healthy I think they'll make the dance.

[muskiefan82]

It's okay. Big Brother moved out of their neighborhood. Maybe it's what they needed to start achieving on their own.

[xsteve1]

I'm sure this board will continue to actively monitor Dayton's progress and quickly downplay whatever (if any) progress they make. They have looked good to me in their last two games. If they stay healthy I think they'll make the dance.

They won the Disney tourney a couple years ago and have beaten SEC teams OOC (Alabama, Ole Miss) the last few years. The question is can they compete for an A10 title instead of finishing middle of the pack. Archie definitely won't be there long if he can get them to the dance.

[LA Muskie]

I like Archie. He is a good coach and a good recruiter. I wish him well at Dayton while he lasts. It is a school with a nice basketball history and I'd like to see them get back on solid footing. It's boring beating them time and time and time again. I'd like a little drama...

[xubrew]

Ole Miss was terrible the year UD beat them. The Old Spice field was okay but not great and they followed it up with a blowout loss to Buffalo. I think they're noticeably better than they were in their first two games. They beat what appears to be a good Gonzaga team. Maybe they will crap out later in the year and maybe Gonzaga really isn't that good. But at this point I wouldn't just conclude that it's a fluke and that they're not any good and that Gonzaga is overrated. I think they beat a good team and I think they may be good themselves.

[X-band '01]

That's actually the 3rd time Dayton has beaten a Top 25 team in Maui - they've had a pretty good track record out there.

[Masterofreality]

It was exactly 10 years ago that udump won the Maui Invitational under the midget. Cryer fans held on to that for, well, 10 years.

Look, no denying that last night was a nice win, but let's not think that all of a sudden the school up north is ready to pass us as a program.

Maybe they should just move the entire program to Hawaii and rename it u of dump-Maui. Then all of those pre-verts up there can salivate over more pictures of Midget II's wife in a bikini. All the red sweaters in the lower bowl won't be needed though.

[vee4xu]

Archie has one goal. Get out of dayton. His main focus this year, after his team not getting into the BE, is to get as much as he can from this current group, shine up that resume and get the heck out of dodge. If I was to bet, I'd say chances of Miller being at ud next year are less than 15%. Wins like the one over Gonzaga move that down even more.

[xudash]

Archie has one goal. Get out of dayton. His main focus this year, after his team not getting into the BE, is to get as much as he can from this current group, shine up that resume and get the heck out of dodge. If I was to bet, I'd say chances of Miller being at ud next year are less than 15%. Wins like the one over Gonzaga move that down even more.

This was my first reaction to their win last night. I suspect that Archie will receive some rather attractive BCS offers - certainly as compared to remaining in Dayton - should he manage to pull off a solid showing this year. A solid showing for Dayton probably includes at least one win in the NCAA Tournament.

Then again, it's early, and we all know what Dayton is capable of achieving in conference play, albeit a conference made easier by key program losses.

[paulxu]

I'm pretty sure the year UD won Maui that they were the only team from that weak field that went on to the NCAA's (losing first round).

[XU3232]

UD is going to beat Baylor. They are making everything they shoot and Baylor really doesn't look like they are anything special. It would really suck seeing Dayton in the top 25.

[xsteve1]

Thank God I don't go to that A10 board any longer. That place will become unbearable for the rest of the A10 teams fans.

[waggy]

They might win this game, but the talent level (after seeing them for the first time) looks like typical dayton to me.

[GoMuskies]

Dayton managed to blow almost the whole lead by halftime.

[XUFan09]

They might win this game, but the talent level (after seeing them for the first time) looks like typical dayton to me.

I don't know...Former Brian Gregory recruit Matt Kavanaugh looks like a schmuck next to the other Dayton players that Archie has brought in.

[Lamont Sanford]

Dayton is gonna beat Baylor. They got a legit shot at winning the Maui Invitational.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[GoMuskies]

Dayton is gonna beat Baylor.

Can someone post this again? Seems to induce a Baylor run every time.

Also,, nice as these two wins are, Syracuse would be quite the obstacle if Dayton were to win tonight. Granted, it would give them a golden opportunity.

[XUFan09]

Can someone post this again? Seems to induce a Baylor run every time.

Also,, nice as these two wins are, Syracuse would be quite the obstacle if Dayton were to win tonight. Granted, it would give them a golden opportunity.

Their SOS for the season would get a huge boost too, kind of like if Xavier played KU.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, but if X gets to KU, we must beat their asses. How else can I go to work Monday morning?

[GoMuskies]

Baylor's first lead since 1-0.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Dayton absolutely blew that game.

[GetUp5]

Aw darn, Dayton pulled a Dayton. ZzzZzzZzzzZzzzZzzZzzZZzzz

[The_Mack_Pack]

11-21 from three point range and they still only score 66 and lose haha

[KabeX]

It's 2013 and dayton still sucks.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

I am glad to see Dayton lost, but it's kind of sad the way they did.

[Dr. X]

Oh man, a Dayton shot rimmed out in the clutch? That seems awful familiar.

[OTRMUSKIE]

This is a good Dayton team, they played their butts off but at the end of the day they had to look at the name on their jerseys and realize they were Dayton. They followed through on what they are good at...............SUCKING! In all seriousness though Dayton has a pretty good squad that seibert kid is a stud.

[xsteve1]

Dayton has good wings but their big's are awful. Archie has to have worked his way onto to some AD's short list's (no pun intended).

[waggy]

Greg Marshall goes apeshit on a charge call. I'm starting to hate all the bullshit around the block/charge call. Every time there is a marginal call the announcers feel compelled to make note of whether the defender was inside the arch or not. The arch was to help make calls relative to defensive rotations after the offensive player has committed to their move. Increasingly I'm hearing that the line will make the call: Inside it's a block, outside it's a charge. That's just lazy. Everyone is lazy.

[xudash]

Oh man, a Dayton shot rimmed out in the clutch? That seems awful familiar.

Regression to the mean: let's remember how they pulled out a prayer in their home opener.

Dayton being Dayton.

[xubrew]

When we played UD, we were more fixated on them then any other team we played. Now, we're more fixated on them then any other team that we do not play.

Dayton came in with a good game plan, it worked. So, of course, they went away from that game plan down the stretch. I guess they were trying to milk the clock, but it resulted in them being unable to get good looks. They seem to be in the bad habit of doing that.

Baylor crushed them on the glass, but Baylor's frontcourt is very good.

Cal is good as well. I actually think they're better than Baylor (who I really don't think is all that good), so if they can win tomorrow it'll still be a very good showing out in Maui.

[GoMuskies]

When we played UD, we were more fixated on them then any other team we played. Now, we're more fixated on them then any other team that we do not play.


Let me ask you this: on how many of our other opponents' message boards do you have as many as 2,080 posts?

[XUFan09]

Dayton has good wings but their big's are awful. Archie has to have worked his way onto to some AD's short list's (no pun intended).

I think sophomore Devon Scott is good, but like I said before, Kav is a big drop-off from the other players on the floor (outside of rebounding, I'll admit).

[OTRMUSKIE]

XUBREW is a regular on UDPRIDE. He is a non bias type of dude. He just calls it how it is while the rest of us just hate DAYTON for being DAYTON. I love hating Dayton. If we all got a long with our opponents then sports would totally suck. Screw UD, UC, BUTLER and soon screw everybody in the BIG EAST with the exception of DePaul who I hope turn it around very soon.

[LA Muskie]

I think it's pretty funny how fixated folks still are about Dayton. In a pathetic sort of way.

[ammtd34]

I think it's pretty funny how fixated folks still are about Dayton. In a pathetic sort of way.

I found it odd that I actually enjoyed watching them the last two days. I think it's because I realized there's no point in disliking them anymore.

[XUFan09]

I found it odd that I actually enjoyed watching them the last two days. I think it's because I realized there's no point in disliking them anymore.

Me too. And who doesn't like seeing a ranked Gonzaga team lose?

[ammtd34]

Me too. And who doesn't like seeing a ranked Gonzaga team lose?

They played pretty well last night, too. I thought that their two best players not touching the ball on the last play was odd, though (Sibert not being involved and Pierre on the bench).

[xubrew]

Let me ask you this: on how many of our other opponents' message boards do you have as many as 2,080 posts?

Other than the ones where I personally know a handful of the regular posters, none.

Hey, I don't use facebook that much.

...and yeah, I liked the series and wish we were still playing them.

[GoMuskies]

Other than the ones where I personally know a handful of the regular posters, none.

Hey, I don't use facebook.

I have almost 13k posts here, so I'm not criticizing anyone for posting on a message board. I just think it's odd to claim people are fixated on a particular rival when you yourself have over 2k posts on their message board.

[nuts4xu]

i have almost 13k posts here, so i'm not criticizing anyone for posting on a message board. I just think it's odd to claim people are fixated on a particular rival when you yourself have over 2k posts on their message board.

boom!

[xubrew]

I was res director at UD when I was in grad school. A lot of the kids that lived in my building posted on there, and still do. Well, I guess they're not kids anymore.

Nevertheless, touche.

But, what I don't do is give a negative critique of them every chance I get while at the same time claiming that I don't care about them. It's a constant exercise of proving your point in the converse.

[Masterofreality]

I agree that since A) The dump is no longer in our league (and hopefully never will be) and B)That we won't play them for at least 2 years, there really is no reason to be concerned with them anymore, but I remain somewhat fixated on them like anyone would be with a train wreck.

No program can hit a temporary high, then melt down as horrifically as the Cryers and their fans. It never gets old seeing all the old sweaters putting their hands on their heads in frustration.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Screw Dayton! I don't care if they are in the league or not. I will always hate that team and wish for them to lose forever and ever. It's just like how some people can't stand DUKE or Kentucky even though they have no ties to those schools. We should never forget about our dislike for Dayton. However, seeing it's our first year not being associated with them lets see how I feel 10 years from now. I could feel sorry for them and wish them well.

[LA Muskie]

Screw Dayton! I don't care if they are in the league or not. I will always hate that team and wish for them to lose forever and ever. It's just like how some people can't stand DUKE or Kentucky even though they have no ties to those schools. We should never forget about our dislike for Dayton. However, seeing it's our first year not being associated with them lets see how I feel 10 years from now. I could feel sorry for them and wish them well.

I disagree. I think we should find a more worthy adversary. I vote Marquette.

[GoMuskies]

I disagree. I think we should find a more worthy adversary. I vote Marquette.

I'm capable of hating all of UC, Kentucky, Marquette, and Dayton at the same time. Floorsweeper might convince me to hate Butler, too.

[xubrew]

Drexel is even more Drexel than normal in this game. They almost always play hard but almost never play smart. They still lead at the half but will likely brain cramp down the stretch

[Masterofreality]

Drexel is even more Drexel than normal in this game. They almost always play hard but almost never play smart. They still lead at the half but will likely brain cramp down the stretch

And they are. Now down by 4. Bruiser Flint strikes again.

[xubrew]

If you were to compile a list of ranked teams that Drexel has almost beaten in the Bruiser Flint era, you'd have a very long list.

[XUFan09]

Purdue just lost to Oklahoma State by 10. The margin was a little more respectable than expected, which will help them in any metrics involving margin of victory/defeat, but get this:

#299
#258
#197
#235
#247

That's the ranking of each of the Boilermakers' first five opponents. That had to be some whiplash facing the (IMO) #1 team in the country right after that feast of cupcakes. How do you even prepare for a team of OK State's caliber after that? It should be noted that Purdue was losing 52-29 at halftime...

[xsteve1]

Purdue just lost to Oklahoma State by 10. The margin was a little more respectable than expected, which will help them in any metrics involving margin of victory/defeat, but get this:

#299
#258
#197
#235
#247

That's the ranking of each of the Boilermakers' first five opponents. That had to be some whiplash facing the (IMO) #1 team in the country right after that feast of cupcakes. How do you even prepare for a team of OK State's caliber after that? It should be noted that Purdue was losing 52-29 at halftime...

Have to think the seat is getting pretty warm for Painter.

[XUFan09]

Have to think the seat is getting pretty warm for Painter.

Yup. I think his issue is recruiting more than anything. With a resurgent IU and Butler and Xavier both in a power conference now, recruiting the state of Indiana has become harder than ever and the surrounding region is tough too. Purdue always seems to be a second-tier choice for these recruits, Bluiett being just one example.

[Muskie]

Purdue has trouble keeping assistants. That's one of their issues with recruiting. A few years ago Painter feigned interest in Missouri to get some concessions about assistant salaries. I think it's still an issue when compared to the top tier of the Big Ten.

[xubrew]

Drexel is doing it again!!!!

[Cheesehead]

Arizona -duke game was fun to watch. Highly entertaining and refs let them play for the most part.

[gladdenguy]

Memphis beats Oklahoma St and Pastner has his first top 25 win.

[casualfan]

Memphis just knocked off Oklahoma State. That's an impressive win after getting their asses handed to them earlier in the year.

[xsteve1]

Memphis beats Oklahoma St and Pastner has his first top 25 win.

He beat a Travis Ford coached team so that explains how he got it.

[vee4xu]

At halftime tonight, Dez has 2 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist and 1 foul against tOSU.

[X-band '01]

In other words, he zipped up a year too late.

[The_Mack_Pack]

He beat a Travis Ford coached team so that explains how he got it.

Seriously.. The only reason he still has that job is because of Marcus Smart.

[X-band '01]

Also a pair of Big 5 games underway; Nova hosting Penn at the Pavilion and Temple hosting another funeral for Saint Joe's.

[The_Mack_Pack]

At halftime tonight, Dez has 2 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist and 1 foul against tOSU.

Finished with 19 points. Maryland would be a very, very bad team without Dez.

[Masterofreality]

Finished with 19 points. Maryland would be a very, very bad team without Dez.

But. I feel sorry for the kid having to play PG. Not his position, but maybe it's good prep for him for the NBA

[The_Mack_Pack]

But. I feel sorry for the kid having to play PG. Not his position, but maybe it's good prep for him for the NBA

Maybe. It should definitely help his ball handling and passing skills which were his major weaknesses last season. I don't know if he has the skill set at his size to play in the NBA though.

[xubrew]

Drexel has now won back to back triple overtime games. Has that ever happened??

[ammtd34]

Payne has had to leave the game with cramps twice. UNC is up 8 at the under 8 timeout.

[paulxu]

If teams shoot 28 and 21%, you get a score like 48-38. That VA v. Wisc game must have been ugly to watch.

[GoMuskies]

Miller and Matta will be 1 and 2 in next week's coaches poll if they don't lose this week. Kind of interesting, I think.

[casualfan]

Georgetown struggling at home with Colgate. Up 4 with 40 seconds left.

[XU3232]

Looks like we will be getting UC coming off a loss as they are about to lose to New Mexico.

[vee4xu]

Miller and Matta will be 1 and 2 in next week's coaches poll if they don't lose this week. Kind of interesting, I think.

Both are very good coaches, so not surprising. Matta is one of the top 5 college basketball coaches in the country.

[xsteve1]

Nova rolls St. Joe's 98-68, St. John's also bitch slapped Fordham earlier. The Big East has had it's way against the A10 this year.

[paulxu]

UMass looks pretty good so far. Dayton down 7 to Illinois State in second half.

[GoMuskies]

I am not upset at all that the Redbirds are running Dayton out of the gym.

[Masterofreality]

The A-10 is still the A-10..a couple of good teams, a raft of mediocre teams, and traditional bottom feeders like F-m and Dookcane.

Temple is representing well in the AAAAAAAAAAAAAC. 4-4 after blowing a game to Texas at home in overtime.

[X-band '01]

I am not upset at all that the Redbirds are running Dayton out of the gym.

For a team that was recently in the Missouri Valley championship game, why are they rushing the floor after a win over Dayton?

[paulxu]

Apparently the AAAAAAAAAAAC is just another small conference.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2013/12/11/img-forum-ncaa-president-mark-emmert-governance-reform/3987363/

[vee4xu]

North Dakota State 73
Notre Dame 69

Game in South Bend. Yikes!

[xubrew]

I like this North Dakota State team. They have everyone back from a team that was really good a year ago. They've actually been kind of disappointing up to this point. That was a good win last night, but the question is how good will it end up being for them. Notre Dame has been less than impressive.

Now, if NDSU can take down Ohio State in their next game, then they're all set. If they don't, then they'll basically have to run the table in conference to secure a spot in the dance if they lose in their conference tournament.

[xubrew]

How very sad. Look at tonight's games.

There are no good games. Maryland vs Boston College is not a good game. In fact, it's the kind of game that you should use your parental lock controls for just to assure that you don't even accidentally tune in to watch. It's nights like tonight that make quality time with friends and family so much harder to avoid. How very sad.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/scoreboard?date=20131212&confId=50

[X-band '01]

To be fair, this week and next week aren't going to have too many marquee games since a lot of colleges have exams this week (including UC) and next week (including Xavier).

I actually went to a high school that had a game scheduled during finals week and students weren't even allowed to attend said game in order to study for semester exams.

[xubrew]

I hate when academics get in the way of athletics. We go through this every year.

[vee4xu]

Maryland 88
BC 80

Dez scores a career high 33 points.

[GoMuskies]

Great game for Dez, obviously, but it's interesting that he didn't exactly fill up the stat sheet other than in the points column. 5 boards, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks and 2 turnovers.

Big crowd of 3500 in Chestnut Hill for the game, too.

[gladdenguy]

He's starting to just take things into his own hand as he should on that team. He was isolated at the end of the game and he still drove to the hoop and got what he wanted.
His supporting cast (especially in the backcourt) is rather weak.

[xavierj]

He's starting to just take things into his own hand as he should on that team. He was isolated at the end of the game and he still drove to the hoop and got what he wanted.
His supporting cast (especially in the backcourt) is rather weak.

Maryland fans should blame father Graham for the lack of supporting cast.

[gladdenguy]

Maryland fans should blame father Graham for the lack of supporting cast.

Might be a stretch but a D1 team in Norwood needs some offense. Thanks Mike Sham and puppets in the administration along with that stupid board. Would definitely be a tourney team with that stud. Instead looking at 2 years of no tourney and Semaj never getting to the tourney. I could go on but I'll spare everybody.

[sweet16]

Might be a stretch but a D1 team in Norwood needs some offense. Thanks Mike Sham and puppets in the administration along with that stupid board. Would definitely be a tourney team with that stud. Instead looking at 2 years of no tourney and Semaj never getting to the tourney. I could go on but I'll spare everybody.

Just a thought but you might want to change your location from "row E......next to nuts" to "swinging from Dez's nuts".

[GoMuskies]

Nice win for Wichita State over Tennessee in a "neutral site" game in downtown Wichita today. They will head to Tuscaloosa to play Bama this week before our Muskies visit next weekend. We'll learn quite a bit about all three teams in those two games.

[Masterofreality]

"Havoc" loses again....to Northern Iowa.

Shaka may be regretting not taking one of those big jobs soon. The rules changes have taken their teeth away.

And, no. I don't want that gimmick in the Big East.

[xsteve1]

Evansville losing to Jackson St. doesn't make me any more confident about this X team.

[GoMuskies]

Evansville losing to Jackson St. doesn't make me any more confident about this X team.

Letdown after their big effort at Xavier?

[Masterofreality]

Evansville losing to Jackson St. doesn't make me any more confident about this X team.

Irrelevant. Notre Dame beat Indiana today a few days after losing to North Dakota State at home. Each game stands alone.

[GoMuskies]

I am looking forward to watching Wichita State at Alabama tonight and getting a look at the Crimson Tide. The Shockers were only 2.5 point favorites when I looked this morning, so it should be a good one.

[vee4xu]

Clifton 44
Pitt 43

Helps X's RPI. UC scores about as many points as they did against X, but wins this time. I watched a short bit of the first half. UGLY!

[Juice]

Anyone see the ending to the South Florida-FGCU game?

[Lloyd Braun]

Anyone see the ending to the South Florida-FGCU game?

Yes. I thought it was bogus. I also thought 0.3 was a catch and shoot but anything less is a tap in. I just watched Kyrie get one off 2 minutes earlier. You can't tell me it took him more than 0.3 to get that shot off. Great game though.

[xudash]

Anyone see the ending to the South Florida-FGCU game?

Saw the replay. It might be the rule, but it is a bogus rule. It looked pretty obvious that he caught and released the ball prior to the red expiration light coming on in the backboard.

[Muskie]

Saw the replay. It might be the rule, but it is a bogus rule. It looked pretty obvious that he caught and released the ball prior to the red expiration light coming on in the backboard.

Yes but I think the clock controls not the light? I'm pretty sure the clock is at 0 before he shoots. I'll have to watch again.

[X-band '01]

The light would be the indicator, but there could have been a slight lag between the catch and when the clock started.

It was a great catch and shoot, but the rule is in place because it takes at least 0.3 seconds to execute such a play. They needed a tap-in which is next to impossible to execute from 94 feet away.

[gladdenguy]

Interesting night

Some of the games:

UMass beats Ohio University on the road to stay undefeated.
Tennessee loses a terrible game at home to NC State (who sUCks beat).
Temple loses at home to Texas Southern.
Texas on the road beats North Carolina.

[Masterofreality]

That Temple game has to be aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabjectly embarrassing for the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC.

Funny thing about that game, well-traveled AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAric Murray, who is from Philly, started at LaSuck, transferred to West Virginia, and is now a 5th year transfer senior at Texas Southern, went for 48 in that game.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArgh!

[Muskie]

That Temple game has to be aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabjectly embarrassing for the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC.

Funny thing about that game, well-traveled AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAric Murray, who is from Philly, started at LaSuck, transferred to West Virginia, and is now a 5th year transfer senior at Texas Southern, went for 48 in that game.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArgh!

Murray looked every bit the hype that surrounded him when he was a recruit last night. What a long winding road its been for that guy.

[X-band '01]

UMass is piling up quite a few road wins against MAC foes, although that's the price they pay for MAC membership in football.

It's now or never for Kellogg's crew to make the NCAA Tournament this year.

[Masterofreality]

UMass is piling up quite a few road wins against MAC foes, although that's the price they pay for MAC membership in football.

It's now or never for Kellogg's crew to make the NCAA Tournament this year.

UMass is losing their asses on their football program.

[GoMuskies]

UMass is #1 in the RPI, so I'd say they're looking pretty strong from an NCAA Tournament perspective.

[paulxu]

Anyone is capable of pulling a Dayton and ending in the NIT.

[xubrew]

I think this UMass team is good. They don't have any great wins, but they have a lot of good ones, and they've done most of it away from home. Ohio has a lot of young players, but it's still not easy to win there.

Having to play four MAC teams a year can suck, but as long as they get the right ones they should be fine.

[GoMuskies]

They get FSU and Providence the next two, so we'll get an even better idea about this team in those games.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/pj-hairston-career-over-at-north-carolina-school-not-seeking-reinstatement-ncaa-rules-violations-122013?cmpid=msn%3Afoxsports%3Aansfox11

Looks like Dez' buddy is toast.

[Masterofreality]

And Mike Brey blows another game while Beaknose's pact with Satan continues.

[The_Mack_Pack]

USC wins at Dayton on a last second three. Looks like the basketball gods finally made them pay for that fluke win over IPFW.

[xavierj]

USC wins at Dayton on a last second three. Looks like the basketball gods finally made them pay for that fluke win over IPFW.

USC now 8-4 and they we will win some games the rest of the way and not be a bad loss at all.

[X-band '01]

USC has a bad loss against Long Beach State, though.

[xudash]

USC wins at Dayton on a last second three. Looks like the basketball gods finally made them pay for that fluke win over IPFW.

Love it.

Agreed. We can't have UD believing that UD isn't anything other than what UD usually is: mediocre and undistinguished.

[Masterofreality]

USC wins at Dayton on a last second three. Looks like the basketball gods finally made them pay for that fluke win over IPFW.

Here's what's even funnier about that. I was watching the game on SNY (Sports New York). The Cryers game goes to overtime right when the Jets game ends. Rather than sticking with the udump game, SNY switches to the Jets post game show. No showing or mention of the overtime.

That is about as mid-major as you can get. Congrats Cryers on having a "Heidi" game in your annals.

[The_Mack_Pack]

USC has a bad loss against Long Beach State, though.

USC seems like one of those teams that will win a big game and turn around and lose to a terrible team. I do think they'll stay in the top 100 RPI and end up not being that bad of a loss.

[Milhouse]

Yeah as it stands I really don't think we have a bad loss yet....

[ammtd34]

USC wins at Dayton on a last second three. Looks like the basketball gods finally made them pay for that fluke win over IPFW.

I was there. It was hilarious.

[muskiefan82]

Yeah as it stands I really don't think we have a bad loss yet....

We do; however, have 3 losses that taught something to this group about toughness and perserverance. The last 4 games have been close and full of adversity and needing to make plays to have a chance to win (with the exception of the UC game which was just complete dominance by X).

These are games (especially BGSU and Alabama) that X loses last year. There is real potential here and I look forward to seeing the growth that this team will have over the next 2.5 months.

[JTG]

Here's what's even funnier about that. I was watching the game on SNY (Sports New York). The Cryers game goes to overtime right when the Jets game ends. Rather than sticking with the udump game, SNY switches to the Jets post game show. No showing or mention of the overtime.

That is about as mid-major as you can get. Congrats Cryers on having a "Heidi" game in your annals.
Wait a minute, our game with Alabama was on the " Hamster Wheel Channel aka ESPN3"...would have liked tohave seen our comeback, but it was blacked out most places.
Not too sorry the Flyers lost though.
Merry Christmas Everyone

[Milhouse]

I feel as though our Alabama win will be so much more significant than our Purdue win from last year.

[gladdenguy]

Wait a minute, our game with Alabama was on the " Hamster Wheel Channel aka ESPN3"...would have liked tohave seen our comeback, but it was blacked out most places.
Not too sorry the Flyers lost though.
Merry Christmas Everyone

Speaking of the comeback.....does anybody have a link to even highlights of the game?
All I saw on the goxavier website was an interview with Philmore.

[ammtd34]

Here's a video of USC's buzzer beater complete with the UD radio call.

http://collegespun.com/pac-12/usc/video-uscs-peshon-howard-hit-a-buzzer-beater-in-ot-to-knock-off-dayton

[GoMuskies]

I feel as though our Alabama win will be so much more significant than our Purdue win from last year.

Certainly. Purdue was horrible last year. Alabama this year is more on the order of mediocre.

[gladdenguy]

Here's a video of USC's buzzer beater complete with the UD radio call.

http://collegespun.com/pac-12/usc/video-uscs-peshon-howard-hit-a-buzzer-beater-in-ot-to-knock-off-dayton

Wow that sucks for Dayton. Nice shot though.

[X-band '01]

Certainly. Purdue was horrible last year. Alabama this year is more on the order of mediocre.

They may not be much different from last year - they were 12-6 in the SEC last season but wound up in the NIT after being on the wrong side of the NCAA bubble.

[Titanxman04]

Here's a video of USC's buzzer beater complete with the UD radio call.

http://collegespun.com/pac-12/usc/video-uscs-peshon-howard-hit-a-buzzer-beater-in-ot-to-knock-off-dayton

Oh damn that's sad and hilarious. You could actually hear his hopes being crushed.

[Boro Muskie]

oh damn that's sad and hilarious. You could actually hear his hopes being crushed. again!

[pimpinthebox]

I was there. It was hilarious.

Loved this comment. Almost as good as the reaction to that shot. Hilarious.

[Masterofreality]

Wait a minute, our game with Alabama was on the " Hamster Wheel Channel aka ESPN3"...would have liked tohave seen our comeback, but it was blacked out most places.
Not too sorry the Flyers lost though.
Merry Christmas Everyone

Wow. One game that is NOT on a National TV network- out of 31 games. I think I'll take our deal. :-)

[paulxu]

So, I think you're saying ESPN (3) is not a national network. Makes sense.

[Masterofreality]

So, I think you're saying ESPN (3) is not a national network. Makes sense.

Not a National TV network, Paulie.

[toledodan]

to top off the flyers week, ud arena is flooded again lol

[Masterofreality]

to top off the flyers week, ud arena is flooded again lol

With urine?