Oklahoma State

[More Cowbell]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130910/oklahoma-state-part-1-money/

If the NCAA can confirm this, do they use the death penalty? I feel like there is something going on at Baylor as well.

[ballyhoohoo]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130910/oklahoma-state-part-1-money/

If the NCAA can confirm this, do they use the death penalty? I feel like there is something going on at Baylor as well.

Chances are these girls were giving it away for free with or without a university sponsored program. Violation smiolation.

[More Cowbell]

I definitely missed out on the hostesses when I was visiting X in high school.

[QuentinC09]

Defiantly death penalty if this is true. T boone looks like he got himself in deep

[HuskyMuskie]

Defiantly death penalty if this is true. T boone looks like he got himself in deep



What'd odd is that it mentions in the story that Boone Pickens had nothing to do with the scandal, according to SI's sources. I find that highly unlikely given his buying power and pull within the university, but who knows. But I don't think it will be death penalty--isn't the death penalty more of a "three strikes and you're out" kind of thing?

[DC Muskie]

There is no way the NCAA is going to hand down the death penalty. Especially since there is not a history of this at the school.

Killing a program like OSU simply will not happen in this day and age of money.

[drudy23]

So, a "cutting edge, lengthy investigation" tells me that high profile college athletes get money, women, and drugs? I would have never known. And I just thought they received "extra help" with their grades...how dumb we all are.

When are these "investigations" going to go away...not only are they not "shocking", eveyone just kind of shrugs their shoulders and moves on with their day.

Next week..."Breaking News"....professional athletes have affairs.

[Juice]

Deadspin makes the correct point that this should be the most important part of the story:


At Oklahoma State the bonus system, the booster and coach payouts, and the bogus jobs provided players with money that was seldom spent on extravagances. One or two standouts bought a new car or expensive jewelry, team members say, but the vast majority of the players used the extra cash to purchase everyday items — food, clothing, tickets to a movie. "There were some athletes who were almost starving," says Carter. "Wherever the money came from, they were like, Yeah, I'll take that."
http://deadspin.com/the-most-important-part-of-sis-oklahoma-state-shamestr-1283436204

But nice writing/reporting by SI in not going into that in more detail.

[blobfan]

Deadspin makes the correct point that this should be the most important part of the story:


http://deadspin.com/the-most-important-part-of-sis-oklahoma-state-shamestr-1283436204

But nice writing/reporting by SI in not going into that in more detail.

That was my thought even before the article got around to it. Some of these kids come from extreme poverty and need more assistance then the NCAA numbers crunchers think is necessary. It's a shame this is going on illicitly and it's doubly a shame that stories like this will probably prevent the NCAA from acting on it.

[Juice]

That was my thought even before the article got around to it. Some of these kids come from extreme poverty and need more assistance then the NCAA numbers crunchers think is necessary. It's a shame this is going on illicitly and it's doubly a shame that stories like this will probably prevent the NCAA from acting on it.

And let's not forget that similar stuff was being said about Miami during the Yahoo reports from a few years ago. How did that investigation for for the NCAA? That's right. They admitted to wrong doing, fired employees, and illegally tried to obtain privileged documents.

[Juice]

Bomani Jones ‏@bomani_jones 5m
now comes the part where ok st players deny it all. RT @rccola81: http://oklahomastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1547494 …

[More Cowbell]

That was my thought even before the article got around to it. Some of these kids come from extreme poverty and need more assistance then the NCAA numbers crunchers think is necessary. It's a shame this is going on illicitly and it's doubly a shame that stories like this will probably prevent the NCAA from acting on it.

The kids that come from poverty have the ability apply for Pell grants. The average for SEC football players is over $4600/year. There is money for kids who need it. You may think it is not enough based on the value of their sport, but no one is starving.

[xubrew]

The "Death Penalty" will not happen. It can't. The "Death Penalty" is not the actual name of the penalty. It's just a slang. The actual name of it is the "Repeat Violator Rule." The key word there is "REPEAT." This is their first offense. As egregious as it may seem, it does not fall under the category of the repeat violator rule. In order to get the death penalty, you've got to badly break the rules, be told to stop, and not stop.

T Boone Pickens is not an athletic department employee. The NCAA has no authority over him. He's not in any trouble at all.

I think athletes should be paid. There are very strong arguments that can be made to support that case. The argument that they have no money to order pizza is not one of them. It is, in fact, a huge misnomer. Full scholarship athletes are awarded housing and meal plans. In fact, they are awarded the most expensive housing and the most expensive meal plan that the school offers. If they choose to live off campus, they get checks every month that match the value of the most expensive housing and the most expensive meal plan on campus. They have the option of downgrading their meal plan and housing, and taking the money instead. They also have the option of just moving off campus, and taking all of the money, which many of them do. If you've ever paid for college, you know that is way higher than what it costs to live pretty much anywhere else that 20 year olds typically live. They typically get about $800 a month. That's actually a very conservative estimate. It's not hard to cram five, and six and ten guys into a house and come out with plenty of walking around money. Please stop making that argument. It is easy to disprove, and disproving it implies that they should not receive a subsidy with their scholarship. Come up with a better argument. There are so many other better arguments out there that they are simply too few to mention.

[Juice]

Jason Whitlock ruins Thayer Evans and his report/story in SI.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/Jason_Whitlock_slams_SI_writer_Thayer_Evans/11-22173

[xubrew]

Jason Whitlock ruins Thayer Evans and his report/story in SI.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/Jason_Whitlock_slams_SI_writer_Thayer_Evans/11-22173

My God. To call that scathing would be an understatement.

[kyxu]

That was my thought even before the article got around to it. Some of these kids come from extreme poverty and need more assistance then the NCAA numbers crunchers think is necessary.

I'm not even sure how on earth that is possible. I don't purport to know the extent of these kids' situations, but I don't see how anyone with a full athletic scholarship to a Big 12 school could possibly be starving. And by "starving," I mean physically wasting away due to unavailability of food.

[BandAid]

I'm not even sure how on earth that is possible. I don't purport to know the extent of these kids' situations, but I don't see how anyone with a full athletic scholarship to a Big 12 school could possibly be starving. And by "starving," I mean physically wasting away due to unavailability of food.

But we want snacks!!

[More Cowbell]

But we want snacks!!

and tattoos

[XU-PA]

Spent close to 2 decades in the media. it is a given that whenever one media outlet breaks a huge story two things will happen. first the really lazy ones report it and reference the outlet that broke it. The harder working ones try to break it down, first they'll look for people that swear they never saw anything like this in their oh so many years, and then they'll go and try to break down the credibility of the people used as sources in the report.
New one on me,,, go after the reporters.

[Chalmers0]

I hate Jason Whitlock but his article brings some light in my opinion. Also Doug Gottlieb on twitter has had a ton of good info regarding it. Yes he is an Oklahoma State alum so you can only take so much of that seriously but still some great points in my opinion. I think there are a ton of red flags in this. Most of the players who made statements or were mentioned were kicked out of Oklahoma State giving them solid motive to make a lot of these claims. Throw in the Thayer Evans background and I am even more skeptical. Not saying all of this is fabricated but also, as previously mentioned, a majority of this happens at EVERY school that has a D1 sports program.

[Juice]

I hate Jason Whitlock but his article brings some light in my opinion. Also Doug Gottlieb on twitter has had a ton of good info regarding it. Yes he is an Oklahoma State alum so you can only take so much of that seriously but still some great points in my opinion. I think there are a ton of red flags in this. Most of the players who made statements or were mentioned were kicked out of Oklahoma State giving them solid motive to make a lot of these claims. Throw in the Thayer Evans background and I am even more skeptical. Not saying all of this is fabricated but also, as previously mentioned, a majority of this happens at EVERY school that has a D1 sports program.

Most of the former players are saying that Evans was dishonest in the way he conducted the interviews. They claim that he didn't tell them what the interview was about and he didn't take notes. He also said that he didn't ask them if he could record them and if the interviews were recorded then it was done secretly. One player even said that even though he was kicked out of Oklahoma St. that he held no ill will towards the school because he recognized that he was the one who made the mistakes. And I also saw that one player wants to sue Evans and SI for what was attributed to him.

Now this may be all a bunch of BS from these former players because they now look like snitches or whatever, but between this and what Whitlock said, Evans doesn't look the greatest.

[Chalmers0]

Part 3 (Drugs) is out and is just as terrible as I expected. I saw nothing in there that at least 75% of schools don't have similar issues with.

[GuyFawkes38]

Jason Whitlock ruins Thayer Evans and his report/story in SI.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/Jason_Whitlock_slams_SI_writer_Thayer_Evans/11-22173

I like Whitlock. But Whitlock is coming from such a charged angle (NCAA players are being ruthlessly exploited by everyone, including reporters) that I have trouble taking his view on the SI piece seriously. Whitlock repeatedly states that it isn't personal, Evans is a hack. But of course, Whitlock takes this issue very personally.

[Juice]

I like Whitlock. But Whitlock is coming from such a charged angle (NCAA players are being ruthlessly exploited by everyone, including reporters) that I have trouble taking his view on the SI piece seriously. Whitlock repeatedly states that it isn't personal, Evans is a hack. But of course, Whitlock takes this issue very personally.

I agree that Whitlock isn't exactly the most objective person. But I combine what he said with what the former Ok. St. players are saying and I don't exactly trust what was written in that article.

[blobfan]

I'm not even sure how on earth that is possible. I don't purport to know the extent of these kids' situations, but I don't see how anyone with a full athletic scholarship to a Big 12 school could possibly be starving. And by "starving," I mean physically wasting away due to unavailability of food.

I don't think I ever claimed student athletes were starving. Nor am I a big proponent for paying players in high-income sports. I do think the issue needs to be discussed and consideration should be made that many of these kids don't have the background to deal appropriately with all the challenges. I just think the NCAA should focus on being more expedient AND judicious with these cases.

[Juice]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9665724/documents-undermine-some-oklahoma-state-cowboys-accusers

Actual, real life evidence shows that what one former player was saying was pretty much BS

[Chalmers0]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9665724/documents-undermine-some-oklahoma-state-cowboys-accusers

Actual, real life evidence shows that what one former player was saying was pretty much BS


The Rivals writer for OSU also pointed out a part where a player referred to his freshmen year (which of course was at a JuCo and not even OSU) which SI quickly went in an edited.

It truly is amazing how little fact checking anyone at SI did before dropping this.

[Milhouse]

The Rivals writer for OSU also pointed out a part where a player referred to his freshmen year (which of course was at a JuCo and not even OSU) which SI quickly went in an edited.

It truly is amazing how little fact checking anyone at SI did before dropping this.

It's the state of journalism today though not just SI just everyone wanting to be the first to break the story.

[waggy]

This isn't a breaking story.

[Chalmers0]

And more....

http://deadspin.com/heres-some-more-bullshit-in-sis-big-oklahoma-state-ex-1302372635

[Milhouse]

Not so much breaking as the juicy details.

[wkrq59]

But we want snacks!!

BandAid, you made my early morning. Thank you. BTW, Having waded through Whitlock's piece I can truthfully say I am happy I retired in 2000. Damn, I'm glad I don't had to admit being in a profession where anyone could perform such a hatchet job and become personally involved in a story. I'd sue his butt so fast it would make his head swim. So damned juvenile.

[Chalmers0]

Yet another great one.

"SI identified Chantal Sanders as a member of Orange Pride during the 2003-04 academic year, which begins in the fall.

OSU spokesperson Gary Shutt said Chantal Sanders was only enrolled at the school for two semesters -- the spring and summer semesters of 2003.

Former Orange Pride members who spoke with News On 6 say they don't know who she is."

http://www.newson6.com/story/23428505/orange-pride-girls