Soooooo, where is the Warming?

[Masterofreality]

Just checking in to say that it’s January 5, 2021.
Today’s temperature here, and all over the country is, shockingly, NORMAL!!
And it has been a normal winter.
Still waiting for those Palm Trees to sprout on Lake Erie, or our seas to rise to inundate New York City, or all Liberal Democrats to stop flying in airplanes or drive their cars, or, or, or....
Ed. note: We are now approaching year 8 of this thread, and China is still unchecked.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://redstarcafe.wordpress.com/2019/02/26/palm-trees/

[XU 23]

Off topic, but is this the longest thread in the history of the board? Over 2000 posts now, haha.

[GoMuskies]

Off topic, but is this the longest thread in the history of the board? Over 2000 posts now, haha.

The politics thread is 4.5x as long.

[MADXSTER]

Methane is an extremely potent greenhouse gas, with a shorter life span than carbon dioxide but 80 times the heat trapping power, according to some estimates.

[paulxu]

This a thread about cow farts?

[Strange Brew]

The politics thread is 4.5x as long.

Is it longer than the world’s longest cow fart tho?

Has this been covered?

[GoMuskies]

I know where this is going, and they will have to pry the hamburger made from an actual cow from my cold, dead hands!

[Strange Brew]

I know where this is going, and they will have to pry the hamburger made from an actual cow from my cold, dead hands!

Meat tosser!

MMM, I like chili burgers. How 'bout you Dave?

Perhaps Jeremy Piven's finest role....

Also, why is nobody mentioning pig farts? Porkers...
Or Chicken farts? Or do chicks not fart?

[bobbiemcgee]

In case you were wondering where 200 billion in covid funds went.....it went bust:

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/one-trump-s-most-significant-failures-massive-win-climate-moment-n1253724

[Strange Brew]

In case you were wondering where 200 billion in covid funds went.....it went bust:

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/one-trump-s-most-significant-failures-massive-win-climate-moment-n1253724

You’re still worried about ANWR? Seriously? Move there already.

[bobbiemcgee]

nope.....worried about the 200 billion we wasted. Maybe you can get it back for us and put it to use in people's arms.

[Strange Brew]

nope.....worried about the 200 billion we wasted. Maybe you can get it back for us and put it to use in people's arms.

Maybe you could personally clean up the Animus since you care so much.

[bobbiemcgee]

sure, I'll get right on it.

[Masterofreality]

Sleepy Joe’s first move. Kill the XL Pipeline thereby killing 2,500 good paying union jobs, pissing off the unions, pissing off our neighbor to the north who we were building it in partnership with and also pissing off Native American tribes who were going to benefit from its completion by having a stake in its ownership and operation.
Kowtowing to his Socialist/Environmentalist base....with negligible, if any, effect on the environment and jeopardizing America’s energy independence.
Helluva start JoeBooBoo!!!

[Xville]

Sleepy Joe’s first move. Kill the XL Pipeline thereby killing 2,500 good paying union jobs, pissing off the unions, pissing off our neighbor to the north who we were building it in partnership with and also pissing off Native American tribes who were going to benefit from its completion by having a stake in its ownership and operation.
Kowtowing to his Socialist/Environmentalist base....with negligible, if any, effect on the environment and jeopardizing America’s energy independence.
Helluva start JoeBooBoo!!!

I don’t know enough about the pipeline to comment one way or the other. However, if what you said is true, I find it a win anytime that we can piss off unions, and who gives a crap about socialist Canada.

[Masterofreality]

Biden: “WE NEED GOOD UNION JOBS!”
*Kills Good Union Jobs”.

https://fee.org/articles/3-harmful-consequences-of-biden-killing-the-keystone-xl-pipeline/

[GoMuskies]

Not THOSE union jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Record low 3% ice on the Great Lakes. Played golf 3x here in CO this week with just a sweater. Where's the snow and freezing weather? Corn belt I guess.

https://www.cpr.org/2021/01/21/colorado-could-really-use-a-turnaround-with-its-snowpack-this-season/#:~:text=According%20to%20data%20from%20the,the%20 NRCS%20Colorado%20Snow%20Survey.

[Masterofreality]

19 degrees in CLEVELAND this morning. Normal
28 in New York. Normal
14 in Chicago. Normal
32 in Washington. Normal
16 in Minneapolis. Normal
21 in Kansas City. Normal
9 in Montreal. Normal
21 in Halifax. Normal
37 in Atlanta. Normal

But “weather is not climate” Bobbie!!!!
But climate just keeps rolling along as “Normal”. (Shrugs shoulders)

[bobbiemcgee]

No skating on Lake Erie yet?

[Masterofreality]

Lots of years there is zero skating or ice.
But no Palm Trees either.

[Strange Brew]

Record low 3% ice on the Great Lakes. Played golf 3x here in CO this week with just a sweater. Where's the snow and freezing weather? Corn belt I guess.

https://www.cpr.org/2021/01/21/colorado-could-really-use-a-turnaround-with-its-snowpack-this-season/#:~:text=According%20to%20data%20from%20the,the%20 NRCS%20Colorado%20Snow%20Survey.

Lived in CO for a while now. Nothing abnormal about 50 or 60 degree days in Jan. Some years we have a weak snowpack in the mountains. Maybe this year but we’ll have to see how the heavy snow months do this year (feb-apr).

[Masterofreality]

Ahahahaha!

We have cleaner air but that is warming the planet.
Bring on the Pollution!!!!

https://www.wspa.com/news/world-news/earth-heats-up-due-to-pandemics-cleaner-air-study-finds/

[xuwillie]

Lived in CO for a while now. Nothing abnormal about 50 or 60 degree days in Jan. Some years we have a weak snowpack in the mountains. Maybe this year but we’ll have to see how the heavy snow months do this year (feb-apr).

Same I’d actually call the last couple years before this unusual as far as being cold and snow on the ground all winter. This year feels more like the Colorado winters I’m used to.

[MADXSTER]

Ahahahaha!

We have cleaner air but that is warming the planet.
Bring on the Pollution!!!!

https://www.wspa.com/news/world-news/earth-heats-up-due-to-pandemics-cleaner-air-study-finds/

Damn, got ya coming and going.

[MADXSTER]

Bump

[Strange Brew]

Wind turbines in West Texas are freezing up due to record cold.

You can't make this stuff up...

[Masterofreality]

Where. Is. The.Warming????????
It’s. Been. Eight. Years??????

[bobbiemcgee]

Wind turbines in West Texas are freezing up due to record cold.

You can't make this stuff up...

"Most of the plants that got knocked out Sunday night involved coal or natural gas or nuclear."
Pretty embarrassing for a red state energy giant that can't even heat their own state. My people in SA are freezing their asses off with 15 minutes of power every two hours.

[Strange Brew]

Looks like Texas should’ve invested in more fossil fuel or nuclear plants to handle high usage. The green plants (wind) froze up because of all the warming.

[paulxu]

We should lead this effort, not China.

https://www.juancole.com/2021/04/solar-globally-beats.html

[GoMuskies]

We should lead this effort, not China.

https://www.juancole.com/2021/04/solar-globally-beats.html

That article is propaganda.

[Masterofreality]

That article is propaganda.

Total propaganda:
“Largest coal consumption worldwide by country 2019. The world's two largest coal consuming countries in 2019 were also the world's two most populous nations: China and India, at 81.7 exajoules and 18.6 exajoules consumed.Nov 5, 2020
https://www.statista.com › statistics
• Leading countries in coal consumption globally 2019 | Statista”

Add to that, China’s purported Solar industry’s workforce is manned by forced slave laborers whose human rights are violated to undercut the price. How woke.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/12/clean-energy-china-xinjiang-uyghur-labor/

You were so concerned about your “rights” being allegedly violated under Trump, Paul, that you incessantly posted about it everyday but you just ignore, no, prop this trash up in a Pravda like post. Quite the concern.

[XU 87]

To follow up on the above, it's at times stunning how intentionally naïve people are:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/feuds-set-aside-as-us-and-china-agree-to-cooperate-on-climate-change/ar-BB1fMcTC?li=BBnb7Kz

Like all good dictatorships, I'm sure China will keep all of its promises.

[Masterofreality]

To follow up on the above, it's at times stunning how intentionally naïve people are:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/feuds-set-aside-as-us-and-china-agree-to-cooperate-on-climate-change/ar-BB1fMcTC?li=BBnb7Kz

Like all good dictatorships, I'm sure China will keep all of its promises.

Yeah, and John Kerry flies around on a private jet that is horrible for the environment. Just look at this review of Another activist Bill Gates habits on his “guilty pleasure”

“ Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder and world’s second-richest man, took 59 flights in 2017 travelling more than 200,000 miles, according to the study by academics at Lund University. The report estimated that Gates’ private jet travel, which he has described as his “guilty pleasure”, emitted about 1,600 tonnes of carbon dioxide. That compares to a global average of less than five tonnes per person.”

Rules apply to thee, not to me!

[paulxu]

We're focusing on two different things here.
Hypocrites...sure, they're a dime a dozen.
Do China and India still burn a boatload of coal? Well, duh. Industrially they are trying to catch up to us.

The thrust of the article was that around the world many countries are turning to renewable sources of energy...wind and solar.
And that we should be joining in (if not leading) that effort. Amazon was running an ad the other day about converting to all electric delivery vehicles.

Focus on the important world climate issues...not the "hypocrites" and their private planes.

[Strange Brew]

We're focusing on two different things here.
Hypocrites...sure, they're a dime a dozen.
Do China and India still burn a boatload of coal? Well, duh. Industrially they are trying to catch up to us.

The thrust of the article was that around the world many countries are turning to renewable sources of energy...wind and solar.
And that we should be joining in (if not leading) that effort. Amazon was running an ad the other day about converting to all electric delivery vehicles.

Focus on the important world climate issues...not the "hypocrites" and their private planes.

Good for Amazon and there are plenty of wind farms/solar arrays here in the West where it makes sense. Not sure if it’s helps in what it does to the climate of the Earth. Which is silly to talk about scientifically unless you can provide the optimal temperature for the Earth for all its climates to operate in perpetual equilibrium.

[GoMuskies]

The problem with that article, paul, is that it was pretty clearly written by Chinese state media.

[Xville]

We're focusing on two different things here.
Hypocrites...sure, they're a dime a dozen.
Do China and India still burn a boatload of coal? Well, duh. Industrially they are trying to catch up to us.

The thrust of the article was that around the world many countries are turning to renewable sources of energy...wind and solar.
And that we should be joining in (if not leading) that effort. Amazon was running an ad the other day about converting to all electric delivery vehicles.

Focus on the important world climate issues...not the "hypocrites" and their private planes.

Yes Amazon..that bastion of a great model company to follow that treats their employees as if we lived in China.

Btw where does a lot of electricity come from

[paulxu]

The problem with that article, paul, is that it was pretty clearly written by Chinese state media.

It was written by a history professor at University of Michigan who is focused primarily on the Middle East. I believe fluent in Arabic and maybe Farsi.
I've read his stuff over the years about the conflicts in that region, and I'm pretty sure (not positive) that he is not an employee of Chinese state media.


Btw where does a lot of electricity come from

Not sure what the question means, but more and more from renewables. If we can get to the point of replacing nuclear that would benefit everyone because of the problem of waste disposal.

[Xville]

It was written by a history professor at University of Michigan who is focused primarily on the Middle East. I believe fluent in Arabic and maybe Farsi.
I've read his stuff over the years about the conflicts in that region, and I'm pretty sure (not positive) that he is not an employee of Chinese state media.



Not sure what the question means, but more and more from renewables. If we can get to the point of replacing nuclear that would benefit everyone because of the problem of waste disposal.

20% come from renewables and that’s pushing it. Amazon can tout all the freaking nonsense that they want, just like your lib friends, but the fact is that it’s pretty much coming all from the same spot.

[MADXSTER]

It was written by a history professor at University of Michigan who is focused primarily on the Middle East. I believe fluent in Arabic and maybe Farsi.
I've read his stuff over the years about the conflicts in that region, and I'm pretty sure (not positive) that he is not an employee of Chinese state media.



Not sure what the question means, but more and more from renewables. If we can get to the point of replacing nuclear that would benefit everyone because of the problem of waste disposal.

Have you ever watched Inside Bill Gates Brain on Netflix. Very good.

[paulxu]

Have you ever watched Inside Bill Gates Brain on Netflix. Very good.

Have not seen that. Seems like it would be worth watching from the reviews; maybe I can still pull it up on Netflix.

Regarding Gates, I've been a Rotarian for a long time, and much of that organization's global efforts have been an effort to eradicate polio.
In that effort, Gates' has always been a major contributor, and I guess I've always had a good impression of him and his philanthropy.

This week in a Foreign Policy discussion group, our topic was the WHO and the current pandemic. In the course of research this article popped up, which gives a slightly different look at Gates. Apparently the idea of Intellectual Property rights (from his days in the late 90's fighting Apple) is very big for him, an maybe an impediment in getting the vaccine distributed to poorer countries. Article here if you're interested:

https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-global-access-covid-vaccines

[MADXSTER]

Need to watch. Gates had polio down to about 30 cases worldwide but then his volunteers started getting captured and killed in war torn civil-war countries in africa. That is one of the three part series. He also talks about nuclear power using already burnt uranium waste and instead of water to cool it down, use liquid metal. If a reactor fails the liquid metal would not reach a boiling point and thus be able to cool it down. Plus you would be able to set it up where there isn't water. Third world countries would be less third world.

[paulxu]

The senior senator has apparently come over to believing in climate change.
NB: he has changed his mind before on this subject.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1382759813143269379

[noteggs]

The senior senator has apparently come over to believing in climate change.
NB: he has changed his mind before on this subject.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1382759813143269379

This is just crazy talk that a politician has changed their position!

[paulxu]

This is just crazy talk that a politician has changed their position!

hah! Not to worry...he'll change back. Just give him a while.

[Masterofreality]

It’s going to snow on April 21.

Just sayin’.

[paulxu]

Have you ever watched Inside Bill Gates Brain on Netflix. Very good.

Finished it up tonight. Thanks for the recommendation. Quite a fascinating story of his life and recent focuses.
Had not heard about his efforts to use spent fuel in a safe nuclear reactor design. Sorry the production got sidetracked by Trump's China policy.
Would be really neat to use all that spent fuel in KY to generate power and not have the safety/waste concerns of our present designs

Hope you get a chance to read that article I noted earlier. Presents a different side of the man in our current pandemic world.

[MADXSTER]

Finished it up tonight. Thanks for the recommendation. Quite a fascinating story of his life and recent focuses.
Had not heard about his efforts to use spent fuel in a safe nuclear reactor design. Sorry the production got sidetracked by Trump's China policy.
Would be really neat to use all that spent fuel in KY to generate power and not have the safety/waste concerns of our present designs

Hope you get a chance to read that article I noted earlier. Presents a different side of the man in our current pandemic world.

I know that it's an unpopular opinion but I've always been pro-nuclear power. And not just because it's clean. But after watching the documentary, I'm much more pro nuclear energy.

[Masterofreality]

Snow on April 21.
GLOBAL WARMING!!!
And “Biden’s China Policy” < “Trumps China Policy”.
Can’t believe a bleeding heart Progressive like Paul is an apologist for a country who uses slave labor to undercut the rest of the world on solar panel production. Those poor Uyghurs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/business/economy/china-solar-companies-forced-labor-xinjiang.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/12/clean-energy-china-xinjiang-uyghur-labor/

[Muskie in dayton]

I know that it's an unpopular opinion but I've always been pro-nuclear power. And not just because it's clean. But after watching the documentary, I'm much more pro nuclear energy.
As someone who has worked in the field of environmental science for 25 years, I can tell you nuclear fission is, generally speaking, the best option for minimizing environmental impact. Locally in some cases renewables are best, but the locations are the exception. Someday there will be nuclear fusion, then that will trump all - by far.

[bobbiemcgee]

Snow on April 21.
GLOBAL WARMING!!!
And “Biden’s China Policy” < “Trumps China Policy”.
Can’t believe a bleeding heart Progressive like Paul is an apologist for a country who uses slave labor to undercut the rest of the world on solar panel production. Those poor Uyghurs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/business/economy/china-solar-companies-forced-labor-xinjiang.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/12/clean-energy-china-xinjiang-uyghur-labor/

Wondering what your solution would be. Invade China and free the Uyghurs? What do you do with 3 million of them. Admit them on the southern border? Where is the market for these solar panels? US, of course. No market, no sales. Didn't Bolton say trump told Xi he was fine with the concentration camps? Congress voted 413-1 to sanction China last summer. Big nothing. Meanwhile Americans watch this unfold watching their Chinese flat screens, tapping on their Chinese IPhones, and relaxing on their Chinese blankets and pillows. Are they willing to boycott Chinese goods? Nope. Too cheap.

[XU 87]

So we got snow in Cincinnati on April 20. I think the argument from the global cooling deniers is that "global warming is also causing the global cooling", which seems to be a contradiction in terms.

[94GRAD]

https://twitter.com/CincyProblems/status/1384917989678583809

[Masterofreality]

Wondering what your solution would be. Invade China and free the Uyghurs? What do you do with 3 million of them. Admit them on the southern border? Where is the market for these solar panels? US, of course. No market, no sales. Didn't Bolton say trump told Xi he was fine with the concentration camps? Congress voted 413-1 to sanction China last summer. Big nothing. Meanwhile Americans watch this unfold watching their Chinese flat screens, tapping on their Chinese IPhones, and relaxing on their Chinese blankets and pillows. Are they willing to boycott Chinese goods? Nope. Too cheap.

Tarriff and Boycott. Wow, Bobby! How progressive and woke are you buying products made with slave labor in an oppressive country!
Boycott, ban or tarriff on a whole list of stuff...AND...Penalize the American companies that are doing business there. Tax the living sheet out of them. Make it hurt these two faced virtue signaling firms that criticize Georgia for a voting law, and won’t shoot movies there but will in oppressive China. By the way Bobby. You can nicely buy a My Pillow to relax on that is Made in the US.
Go to work Biden and build an international coalition (But he won’t because his crack addicted kid made (makes?) lots of money off “business” dealings there. I guess the Uyghers and a Hong Kong takeover aren’t enough. Wait until they try to assume Taiwan while Dementia Joe takes his all day nap. Biden is too busy apologizing for America to hold China accountable on anything. Biden’s dumbass programs are gonna increase inflation anyway (see gas prices lately) so why not have it go whole hog?
By the way. Supporting a solar panel US industry would be “infrastructure” unlike giving handouts to badly run cities & states who just waste it anyway. I still think man made global warming is BS but I am interested in always having investments in new technology.
And Bolton “said” what? In what BS progressive publication did you read that?

[paulxu]

Yikes! Does this mean the Mrs can't buy Ivanka's stuff with the Chinese trademarks she got while her daddy was playing president?

Sort of reminds me of the Donald with his Chinese made ties and shirts, going on about those bad Chinese. Wonder if he'll be "penalized?"

[XU 87]

https://twitter.com/CincyProblems/status/1384917989678583809

1901 was when the earth was in a stage of global cooling. In light of today, I am convinced that we're headed towards a second ice age. Don't be a denier.

[bobbiemcgee]

And Bolton “said” what? In what BS progressive publication did you read that?
Where you get all your info
Fox news:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bolton-in-book-accuses-trump-of-obstruction-of-justice-as-a-way-of-life-asking-chinas-xi-for-2020-help

[Masterofreality]

“Chinese President Xi Jinping said China will reduce coal consumption starting in 2025. And he defended the timetable he has already set forth for China to reduce its emissions: reaching peak carbon emissions before 2030 and achieving carbon neutrality—net-zero carbon-dioxide emissions—by 2060.”

Wow way to go China. Biden’s gonna bankrupt the US by then.

[Masterofreality]

Where you get all your info
Fox news:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bolton-in-book-accuses-trump-of-obstruction-of-justice-as-a-way-of-life-asking-chinas-xi-for-2020-help

Bolton is sooooooo credible. He was trying to sell a book to woke Libs like you. He’s a proven liar.
When your hero Adam Schiff tried to get him to testify to these claims under oath before congress he rejected it. The Dems think he’s a opportunistic liar too.
Not believe able.

[bobbiemcgee]

Funny, trump called him " a terrific guy".

[Strange Brew]

Funny, trump called him " a terrific guy".

Trump promotes publicly everyone he leads. Who knows what is said in private when they have disagreements.

Praise publicly, correct or disagree privately. Leadership 101.

[paulxu]

Trump promotes publicly everyone he leads. Who knows what is said in private when they have disagreements.

Praise publicly, correct or disagree privately. Leadership 101.

Surely you jest.


The U.S. leader called Bolton “a disgruntled boring fool who only wanted to go to war. Never had a clue, was ostracized & happily dumped. What a dope!”

Then again, maybe you were being sarcastic and I didn't pick up on it. Trump and Leadership 101 are an oxymoron.

[Strange Brew]

Surely you jest.



Then again, maybe you were being sarcastic and I didn't pick up on it. Trump and Leadership 101 are an oxymoron.

Did Bolton still work for him at the time?

[noteggs]

Did Bolton still work for him at the time?

Side note: does anyone find it strange the White House leaks have miraculously disappeared over the last 3 months?

[bobbiemcgee]

Praise publicly, until you disagree privately, then trash publicly Dumbo 101.

fixed

[Strange Brew]

fixed

Not 100% but I think Paul’s quote was a leaked private convo.

[paulxu]

Not 100% but I think Paul’s quote was a leaked private convo.

Only if a twitter account with 70 million people is a private convo.


Trump, who famously vowed to hire only “the best and most serious people,” now says that Bolton was a “wacko,” a “dope,” “incompetent” and a “disgruntled boring fool”:

Wacko John Bolton’s “exceedingly tedious”(New York Times) book is made up of lies & fake stories. Said all good about me, in print, until the day I fired him. A disgruntled boring fool who only wanted to go to war. Never had a clue, was ostracized & happily dumped. What a dope!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 18, 2020

[XU 87]

China has more greenhouse gas emissions than the rest of the industrial world combined. But they promised John Kerry they plan to do better, and he believes them.

https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-countries/

[bjf123]

China has more greenhouse gas emissions than the rest of the industrial world combined. But they promised John Kerry they plan to do better, and he believes them.

https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-countries/

Anyone who believes China will do better is a fool.


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[Masterofreality]

Almost 8 years in on this thread.
It’s May 7 and 48 degrees here and 58 in Cincinnati.

CLIMATE COOLING CRISIS!!!!!

[Masterofreality]

China has more greenhouse gas emissions than the rest of the industrial world combined. But they promised John Kerry they plan to do better, and he believes them.

https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-countries/

Kerry’s private jet and his 6 houses, two yachts (sold one) and his 12 cars make up a lot of the US greenhouse gas emissions.
Also, if the seas are gonna rise why did Kerry buy a seaside Martha’s Vineyard property in 2017 and Obama bought one in 2019? Aren’t they gonna get flooded soon?

#GrifterSociety

[bobbiemcgee]

Aren’t they gonna get flooded soon?



https://morphoto.photoshelter.com/image/I0000EvmGEBtR5pw

[Masterofreality]

https://morphoto.photoshelter.com/image/I0000EvmGEBtR5pw

And Trump is correct about this. What’s your point about YOUR hypocrites?

[bobbiemcgee]

Interesting, since you have Gaetz and Greene (Climate deniers like yourself) leading your party now. Good luck with them. Ironically, they hate everybody except Bozo.

[Masterofreality]

Interesting, since you have Gaetz and Greene (Climate deniers like yourself) leading your party now. Good luck with them. Ironically, they hate everybody except Bozo.

Aaaaaaand you still haven’t addressed the point of your hypocrites.
Can you not read?

[bobbiemcgee]

What's to address? Bozo has 8 properties, a helicopter and a mothballed 757 polluter he apparently can't fix.

[Masterofreality]

What's to address? Bozo has 8 properties, a helicopter and a mothballed 757 polluter he apparently can't fix.

And you support his spewing Bullsheet. Telling

[XU 87]

Interesting, since you have Gaetz and Greene (Climate deniers like yourself) leading your party now. Good luck with them. Ironically, they hate everybody except Bozo.

In light of the fact that we've had the coldest weather in this area the last two months in recent memory, the only denier is you. Global cooling is upon us.

[bobbiemcgee]

Weather is not Climate as said here a 100x:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/2018-fourth-warmest-year-ever-noaa-nasa-reports

[XU 87]

Weather is not Climate as said here a 100x:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/2018-fourth-warmest-year-ever-noaa-nasa-reports

Mr. Denier, when it suits your purpose, weather is climate. Face it- it's getting colder. It's the 1970's all over again.

And when should I expect the argument from you that the global warming is also causing cooling? I've actually read that argument a few times before.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, NASA is the deep state.

[Masterofreality]

Mr. Denier, when it suits your purpose, weather is climate. Face it- it's getting colder. It's the 1970's all over again.

And when should I expect the argument from you that the global warming is also causing cooling? I've actually read that argument a few times before.

This!
How many times last summer did we hear that the forest fires, which happen in Cali EVERY year were caused by Climate Change? Or the number or severity of hurricanes? Or, or, or....
Yup. Only when it suits the narrative is when weather is climate.

[XU 87]

Yeah, NASA is the deep state.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/02/28/climate-change-cincinnatis-snowy-february-impact-global-warming/4558928001/

Warming causes cooling.

And to follow up on MOR's post above. There are so many articles saying the recent California fires are a result of climate change, I thought I would just print a partial list:

https://www.google.com/search?q=california+firs+result+of+climate+change&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS881US881&oq=california+firs+result+of+climate+change&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30j0i390l4.9679j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

So according to our leftists, weather is not climate, but weather is climate when it's hot. And cold weather is now caused by warm weather. In short, all weather, hot or cold, and all weather conditions- fires, hurricanes and even snow, are caused by global warming.

In fact, that's why leftists now use the term "climate change" instead of "global warming". They would look stupid blaming snow on the heat. Instead, they now just generically say, "Well, that's climate change".

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/30yrNormal_Temp_1901-2000_2480.png

[xuphan]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/02/28/climate-change-cincinnatis-snowy-february-impact-global-warming/4558928001/

Warming causes cooling.

And to flow up on MOR's post above. There are so many articles saying the recent California fires are a result of climate change, I thought I would just print a partial list:

https://www.google.com/search?q=california+firs+result+of+climate+change&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS881US881&oq=california+firs+result+of+climate+change&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30j0i390l4.9679j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

So according to our leftists, weather is not climate, but weather is climate when it's hot. And cold weather is now caused by warm weather. In short, all weather, hot or cold, and all weather conditions- fires, hurricanes and even snow, are caused by global warming.

In fact, that's why leftists now use the term "climate change" instead of "global warming". They would look stupid blaming snow on the heat. Instead, they now just generically say, "Well, that's climate change".

Why use derogatory terms in a debate? It serves no purpose and takes away from your argument. As an independent, I agree with different views from both the democrats and republicans. From Climate change, abortion, immigration, etc. In my 60 years, I have almost always been able to have a debate on these type of topics. Friendly banter which usually lead to an agreement to disagree on these topics. Over the past 10-20 years, the younger generation seems to need to pin people as either a leftist or a Trump supporter. If you agree with abortion you are an extreme leftist. If you disagree with BLM, you are a trump racist. I donÂ’t get why disagreements mean you have to take a negative shot at what people believe and use derogatory terms to label them as one side or the other. Remember, we are all Americans from the United States of America. Not democrats or republicans. LetÂ’s treat each other with respect.

[XU 87]

Why use derogatory terms in a debate? It serves no purpose and takes away from your argument. As an independent, I agree with different views from both the democrats and republicans. From Climate change, abortion, immigration, etc. In my 60 years, I have almost always been able to have a debate on these type of topics. Friendly banter which usually lead to an agreement to disagree on these topics. Over the past 10-20 years, the younger generation seems to need to pin people as either a leftist or a Trump supporter. If you agree with abortion you are an extreme leftist. If you disagree with BLM, you are a trump racist. I donÂ’t get why disagreements mean you have to take a negative shot at what people believe and use derogatory terms to label them as one side or the other. Remember, we are all Americans from the United States of America. Not democrats or republicans. LetÂ’s treat each other with respect.


The modern day democratic party is now a far left party. So I think it's accurate to call its members "leftists". Would you prefer that I use the term "left wing liberal"? And I'm ok if you call me a "rightist".

[xuphan]

Would you prefer that I use the term "left wing liberal"? And I'm ok if you call me a "rightist".

I would recommend just sticking to your argument and facts. The whole left or right whatever name people want to use demonize other view points isn’t necessary to clearly express your argument and facts. Just have respect for other viewpoints even if you don’t agree with them. We need to spread love not hate in the world. WWJD!

[Masterofreality]

I would recommend just sticking to your argument and facts. The whole left or right whatever name people want to use demonize other view points isn’t necessary to clearly express your argument and facts. Just have respect for other viewpoints even if you don’t agree with them. We need to spread love not hate in the world. WWJD!

You can call me a Centrist anytime.
‘87 is correct. Nothing derogatory about those terms.

[XU 87]

I would recommend just sticking to your argument and facts. The whole left or right whatever name people want to use demonize other view points isn’t necessary to clearly express your argument and facts. Just have respect for other viewpoints even if you don’t agree with them. We need to spread love not hate in the world. WWJD!

Please stop with this. I'm on the right. Those I disagree with on this issue are on the left. If you want to "demonize" me by calling me a "conservative", feel free to do so.

Conservatives are called racists, xenophobes, homophobes, and various other phobes, and you're more concerned about me calling someone a liberal or a leftist.

[xuphan]

Please stop with this. I'm on the right. Those I disagree with on this issue are on the left. If you want to "demonize" me by calling me a "conservative", feel free to do so.

Conservatives are called racists, xenophobes, homophobes, and various other phobes, and you're more concerned about me calling someone a liberal or a leftist.

You can make your argument, opinions, etc without attacking someone else as a left or right. The whole you are on the left or on the right is pretty funny to me. I would say most people fall somewhere in the middle and are neither or left or a right as you would say. If it makes you feel better by calling someone a left or a right based on their personal opinions than go for it. I just think itÂ’s kinda silly to be honest.

[Masterofreality]

It’s May 28. It’s 39 in Minneapolis, 45 in Chicago and 49 here. The high temp won’t get past 53 in Kansas City today.
Yup. Global cooling in place!!!! I guess I’d better start setting my Polar Bear traps!!

[Lamont Sanford]

Predicted high of 55 degrees in the 'Nati tomorrow. Where's my parka?!?

[Masterofreality]

Please go back and look at my very first post starting this thread.
And 8 years later Paul and Bobbie want to go back to the Paris Climate Accords. Huh.
Where’s your defense gentlemen?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/go-figure-china-isnt-keeping-its-promises-on-climate-change/

“ China’s ruler, Xi Jinping, now promises that his country’s carbon emissions will begin to decline by 2030, while they’re growing at the fastest pace in more than a decade. Meanwhile, U.S. carbon emissions have slightly declined most years since 2007 — although last year’s significant drop is partially attributed to the drastic change in Americans’ behavior because of the coronavirus pandemic. Year by year, the United States is using less and less coal for energy production. In 2007, the U.S. generated 6 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide; last y Earlier this year, Jordan McGillis, deputy director of policy at the Institute for Energy Research, pointed out “with its March release of a new five-year plan (FYP), the 14th in its history, China has embarrassed its climate cheerleaders in the West. Beijing’s plan institutes no carbon cap, no coal phase-out, and no roadmap by which it will execute upon Xi’s words. Despite the carbon-neutral-by-2060 pledge, the FYP emphasizes the importance of coal to China’s continued development, not the emissions that come with its use ear, it generated 4.5 billion metric tons. China, by contrast, generated an estimated 14.4 billion metric tons in 2020.”

“ Earlier this year, Jordan McGillis, deputy director of policy at the Institute for Energy Research, pointed out “with its March release of a new five-year plan (FYP), the 14th in its history, China has embarrassed its climate cheerleaders in the West. Beijing’s plan institutes no carbon cap, no coal phase-out, and no roadmap by which it will execute upon Xi’s words. Despite the carbon-neutral-by-2060 pledge, the FYP emphasizes the importance of coal to China’s continued development, not the emissions that come with its use

“ And now we learn from Reuters a new measurement of how much Chinese cities contribute to the generation of climate-warming gases: “Just 25 big cities — almost all of them in China — accounted for more than half of the climate-warming gases pumped out by a sample of 167 urban hubs around the world”

[paulxu]

The logic of this escapes me.
China's jumping off a tall building...let's go join them because ? Well, just because.
If we and the rest of the world are stepping back from the edge of the tall building, that's a good thing for the future of our planet.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, those people at NASA are crazy:

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Maybe have your next golf vacation in Death Valley.

[Strange Brew]

Koonin has provided some interesting thoughts on the subject. However most intelligent people have moved on from this as the predictions of doom have not materialized in reality.

[bobbiemcgee]

Koonin has provided some interesting thoughts on the subject. However most intelligent people.....

Yeah, like 57% of Americans and 97% of the scientific community who believe in cc. As usual, you're in the small minority.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah, like 57% of Americans and 97% of the scientific community who believe in cc. As usual, you're in the small minority.

Those are likely the same numbers who told you masks work. I’d didn’t say CC isn’t happening btw.

[XU_Lou]

Yeah, like 57% of Americans and 97% of the scientific community who believe in cc. As usual, you're in the small minority.

Hey Bobby, where did you get that figure? Maybe you should watch this interview with the co-founder of the Weather Channel on CNN. Educate yourself....

The relevant information comes in at the 2:50 mark, but you may want to watch the entire interview:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/bestoftv/2014/11/01/global-warming-storm-at-weather-channel.cnn

Hmmm, haven't we seen a similar story play out with a certain "pandemic" recently....

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=XU_Lou;706072]Hey Bobby, where did you get that figure? ]

NASA

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

[XU_Lou]

[QUOTE=XU_Lou;706072]Hey Bobby, where did you get that figure? ]

NASA

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

So you agree then, with the co-founder of the Weather Channel, that those scientists are biased because of who signs their paycheck???

[Xville]

Gotta love some Xu lou. This scientist is right and everything he says is perfectly accurate because he agrees with me, these other crazy scientists are wrong because they disagree with me. Fantastic!

[Strange Brew]

Hey Bobby, where did you get that figure? Maybe you should watch this interview with the co-founder of the Weather Channel on CNN. Educate yourself....

The relevant information comes in at the 2:50 mark, but you may want to watch the entire interview:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/bestoftv/2014/11/01/global-warming-storm-at-weather-channel.cnn

Hmmm, haven't we seen a similar story play out with a certain "pandemic" recently....

Like I alluded to, Kenny needs to sell eyeballs and the Weather Channel’s original mission wouldn’t make him rich off the scientifically illiterate. The founder was absolutely correct in that consensus isn’t science. Just ask Copernicus and Galileo. Both when against the gov’t (The Church) consensus at the time.

Wearing a lab coat doesn’t make one virtuous or incorruptible.

[Xville]

Koonin has provided some interesting thoughts on the subject. However most intelligent people have moved on from this as the predictions of doom have not materialized in reality.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-new-book-manages-to-get-climate-science-badly-wrong/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/yaleclimateconnections.org/2021/05/a-critical-review-of-steven-koonins-unsettled/

[Strange Brew]

Gotta love some Xu lou. This scientist is right and everything he says is perfectly accurate because he agrees with me, these other crazy scientists are wrong because they disagree with me. Fantastic!

Huh, so there are scientist who don’t agree? Who new? I was led to believe the science was settled. I guess it’s settled by those who make a gov’t living off of it. Serious question? What becomes of these scientists if their theories don’t plan out? I guess you change the branding to resell the turd. Hence, Global Warming, Warming causes Cooling, Climate Change and now Climate Disruption. Any product that is rebranded this much is garbage in a box.

[Xville]

Huh, so there are scientist who don’t agree? Who new? I was led to believe the science was settled. I guess it’s settled by those who make a gov’t living off of it. Serious question? What becomes of these scientists if their theories don’t plan out? I guess you change the branding to resell the turd. Hence, Global Warming, Warming causes Cooling, Climate Change and now Climate Disruption. Any product that is rebranded this much is garbage in a box.

None of this really has anything to do with what I said regarding Lou.

Regarding climate change or whatever the new hip lingo is now, I think at this point, it takes a lot of conspiracy thinking to believe it isn’t happening just my opinion. As far as how or what the effects of it are going to be in the future who knows…we won’t be around to see most of if

[Strange Brew]

None of this really has anything to do with what I said regarding Lou.

Regarding climate change or whatever the new hip lingo is now, I think at this point, it takes a lot of conspiracy thinking to believe it isn’t happening just my opinion. As far as how or what the effects of it are going to be in the future who knows…we won’t be around to see most of if

Agree on the Climate Changing. Don’t agree with the contribution of CO2 (man made) to the causation. I do appreciate the new thinking seems to be a minimal change in temps over the next Century. Plenty of time to adapt. Just hope this subject and most of the COVID nonsense gives people pause when the gov’t/media uses science to push an unscientific agenda in the future.

[noteggs]

When we lose skepticism in science, we are literally screwed! Please refer to the last year and a half.

[MADXSTER]

Agree on the Climate Changing. Don’t agree with the contribution of CO2 (man made) to the causation. I do appreciate the new thinking seems to be a minimal change in temps over the next Century. Plenty of time to adapt. Just hope this subject and most of the COVID nonsense gives people pause when the gov’t/media uses science to push an unscientific agenda in the future.

Couldn't agree more!

[Masterofreality]

The logic of this escapes me.

The logic is that all you guys who are Biden honks wanted us to go back and join Paris which puts huge financial burdens and big regulations on American business making us less competitive and everything more expensive here, while only exacting promises that will never be fulfilled from China, allowing them to keep going to their stated goal of world dominance.
All of this to “combat” a “problem” that is a straw man.

None of this is hard to understand.

[bobbiemcgee]

None of this is hard to understand.

yep 3 percenters.

[paulxu]

This does sorta look like a straw man on the far right:

https://climate.nasa.gov/system/content_pages/main_images/203_co2-graph-061219.jpg

[bigdiggins]

This does sorta look like a straw man on the far right:

https://climate.nasa.gov/system/content_pages/main_images/203_co2-graph-061219.jpg

I guess I'm naive in not having more confidence in the atmospheric measurements from 500,000 years ago. I'm sure the instruments were state of the art. ;)

[murray87]

I guess I'm naive in not having more confidence in the atmospheric measurements from 500,000 years ago. I'm sure the instruments were state of the art. ;)

Exactly right!!! Sheesh, are we sure that chart didn't come from The Onion??

[paulxu]

Changes in past atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations can be determined by measuring the composition of air trapped in ice cores from Antarctica. So far, the Antarctic Vostok and EPICA Dome C ice cores have provided a composite record of atmospheric carbon dioxide levels over the past 800,000 years.

Perhaps like this?

[Strange Brew]

Perhaps like this?

Assuming the graph is correct why aren’t temperatures rising faster if there is a strong correlation? It could be there is an affect that diminishes after a certain level of CO2?

[paulxu]

Assuming the graph is correct why aren’t temperatures rising faster if there is a strong correlation? It could be there is an affect that diminishes after a certain level of CO2?

I think that's a good question. This graph correlates the 2 over 800,000 years and they seem to be related:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/Temperature-change-and-carbon-dioxide-change-measured-from-the-EPICA-Dome-C-ice-core-in-Antarctica-v2.jpg

The challenge seems to me that we are too close to appreciate the impact and won't for a while. (looking at the charts which cover millennia)
The main cause for alarm is probably that we have zoomed above historical highs of 300pts/million that haven't been seen in 800,000 years.
We not only barely topped it...we went racing by to over 400, and did it in about 60 years, not the thousands of years seen in historical rises/falls.

As best the trend can be measured in just that short time since we crested the measurable historic high it doesn't look promising.

http://zfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/zFacts-CO2-Temp.gif

[94GRAD]

Pacific Northwest and parts of Southern Canada experiencing Global Warming!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/07/12/heat-wave-kills-millions-mussels-clams-beach-canada/7930726002/

[Strange Brew]

I think that's a good question. This graph correlates the 2 over 800,000 years and they seem to be related:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/Temperature-change-and-carbon-dioxide-change-measured-from-the-EPICA-Dome-C-ice-core-in-Antarctica-v2.jpg

The challenge seems to me that we are too close to appreciate the impact and won't for a while. (looking at the charts which cover millennia)
The main cause for alarm is probably that we have zoomed above historical highs of 300pts/million that haven't been seen in 800,000 years.
We not only barely topped it...we went racing by to over 400, and did it in about 60 years, not the thousands of years seen in historical rises/falls.

As best the trend can be measured in just that short time since we crested the measurable historic high it doesn't look promising.

http://zfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/zFacts-CO2-Temp.gif

These charts show more of a correlation. The other chart invites far more questions than answers. Also, would like to see if events unrelated to human activity during the past 60 years have increased the CO2.

Further, the above graphs show slight temp increases with a larger proportion of CO2 increase. This lends me to believe the correlation is not the driving factor of causation.

[XU_Lou]

I think that's a good question. This graph correlates the 2 over 800,000 years and they seem to be related:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/Temperature-change-and-carbon-dioxide-change-measured-from-the-EPICA-Dome-C-ice-core-in-Antarctica-v2.jpg

The challenge seems to me that we are too close to appreciate the impact and won't for a while. (looking at the charts which cover millennia)
The main cause for alarm is probably that we have zoomed above historical highs of 300pts/million that haven't been seen in 800,000 years.
We not only barely topped it...we went racing by to over 400, and did it in about 60 years, not the thousands of years seen in historical rises/falls.

As best the trend can be measured in just that short time since we crested the measurable historic high it doesn't look promising.

http://zfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/zFacts-CO2-Temp.gif

Paul - whether you realize it or not, you just unwittingly destroyed your own argument!!

Take a closer look at your first graph - how is it that co2 levels were higher on several occasions prior to humans? Moreover, doesn't the graph indicate cyclical trends - and we just so happen to be in a peaking level?

Additionally, with the graph you posted in #2115 from NASA, why is it that they only published data in a graph that goes back 800,000 years, when they obviously have data that goes back much further? Are they trying to fool the public?

NOAA even admits this point:

"The atmospheric burden of CO2 is now comparable to where it was during the Mid-Pliocene Warm Period around 3.6 million years ago, when concentrations of carbon dioxide ranged from about 380 to 450 parts per million. During that time sea level was about 78 feet higher than today, the average temperature was 7 degrees Fahrenheit higher than in pre-industrial times, and studies indicate large forests occupied areas of the Arctic that are now tundra."

https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2742/Despite-pandemic-shutdowns-carbon-dioxide-and-methane-surged-in-2020

And why are they only looking at data from Arctic ice cores? Antarctic ice core data tells a different story. Why not tell the complete story?

"During this period, CO2 and temperatures are closely correlated, which means they rise and fall together. However, based on Antarctic ice core data, changes in CO2 follow changes in temperatures by about 600 to 1000 years, as illustrated in Figure 1 below. This has led some to conclude that CO2 simply cannot be responsible for current global warming."

https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm

[paulxu]

If we had these same CO2 levels in the Mid-Pliocene age and sea levels were 70 feet higher, the folks in Miami may be in a lot of trouble.

Also, from your link in explaining the second graph shown:


While the orbital cycles triggered the initial warming, overall, more than 90% of the glacial-interglacial warming occurred after that atmospheric CO2 increase (Figure 2).

Shakun Fig 2a

[Strange Brew]

If we had these same CO2 levels in the Mid-Pliocene age and sea levels were 70 feet higher, the folks in Miami may be in a lot of trouble.

Also, from your link in explaining the second graph shown:

Also after the the change in orbital cycles. Perhaps the cycles were the cause of the increased CO2 and temperature? Again, both increased likely do to a much more impactful catalyst?

[XU_Lou]

I'm sorry, but the entire climate science industry is fundamentally flawed as a result of data collection. I will never believe that we have anything approaching accurate world-wide temperature data from 1000, 10,000, 100,000, 1M years ago using ice core samples and tree ring data from a proportionally small area of the Earth, and then extrapolating that data onto the rest of the world. That method would never work or be accepted in any other field. There is no way the historic temperature data is anywhere near accurate. Without historic temperature data, we have nothing to compare to recent trends. And how far back do we truly have accurate world-wide temperature data? 50 years? How long have we been able to accurately measure temperatures in all the oceans, polar regions and other hostile places around the world that make up more than 75% of the planet?

I would argue the same holds true for historic co2 levels as well.

[94GRAD]

Global warming has been torching Cincinnati all week and I'm tired of it!

[Masterofreality]

Global warming has been torching Cincinnati all week and I'm tired of it!

Ohhhh, see. That’s “weather” and not “Climate”.
Or so I’ve been instructed (in the winter) by all the know-it-all Greens.

[X-man]

An excellent piece in the WSJ, written by one of my favorite economics writers, Greg Ip. Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/ipcc-climate-change-report-gives-a-less-extreme-but-more-sobering-outlook-11628697997?mod=searchresults_pos1&page=1.

[paulxu]

I hope any Muskies in Ida's path have been able to evacuate.

Stay safe down there.

[Strange Brew]

I hope any Muskies in Ida's path have been able to evacuate.

Stay safe down there.

Agree but what does it have to do with this thread?

[Strange Brew]

An excellent piece in the WSJ, written by one of my favorite economics writers, Greg Ip. Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/ipcc-climate-change-report-gives-a-less-extreme-but-more-sobering-outlook-11628697997?mod=searchresults_pos1&page=1.

So basically, we it admit we were dead wrong about the severity and urgency but, but we must act now. That’s “ expert” level BS.

[paulxu]

Agree but what does it have to do with this thread?

Not much. Just didn't want to start a new thread and this was the closest I could get to a weather event.

[UCGRAD4X]

Paul - whether you realize it or not, you just unwittingly destroyed your own argument!!
Take a closer look at your first graph - how is it that co2 levels were higher on several occasions prior to humans? Moreover, doesn't the graph indicate cyclical trends - and we just so happen to be in a peaking level?
Additionally, with the graph you posted in #2115 from NASA, why is it that they only published data in a graph that goes back 800,000 years, when they obviously have data that goes back much further? Are they trying to fool the public?
NOAA even admits this point:
"The atmospheric burden of CO2 is now comparable to where it was during the Mid-Pliocene Warm Period around 3.6 million years ago, when concentrations of carbon dioxide ranged from about 380 to 450 parts per million. During that time sea level was about 78 feet higher than today, the average temperature was 7 degrees Fahrenheit higher than in pre-industrial times, and studies indicate large forests occupied areas of the Arctic that are now tundra."

https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2742/Despite-pandemic-shutdowns-carbon-dioxide-and-methane-surged-in-2020
And why are they only looking at data from Arctic ice cores? Antarctic ice core data tells a different story. Why not tell the complete story?
"During this period, CO2 and temperatures are closely correlated, which means they rise and fall together. However, based on Antarctic ice core data, changes in CO2 follow changes in temperatures by about 600 to 1000 years, as illustrated in Figure 1 below. This has led some to conclude that CO2 simply cannot be responsible for current global warming."
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm


Also after the the change in orbital cycles. Perhaps the cycles were the cause of the increased CO2 and temperature? Again, both increased likely do to a much more impactful catalyst?


I'm sorry, but the entire climate science industry is fundamentally flawed as a result of data collection. I will never believe that we have anything approaching accurate world-wide temperature data from 1000, 10,000, 100,000, 1M years ago using ice core samples and tree ring data from a proportionally small area of the Earth, and then extrapolating that data onto the rest of the world. That method would never work or be accepted in any other field. There is no way the historic temperature data is anywhere near accurate. Without historic temperature data, we have nothing to compare to recent trends. And how far back do we truly have accurate world-wide temperature data? 50 years? How long have we been able to accurately measure temperatures in all the oceans, polar regions and other hostile places around the world that make up more than 75% of the planet?
I would argue the same holds true for historic co2 levels as well.

WTF are you guys even talking about? #settledscience

[XU_Lou]

WTF are you guys even talking about? #settledscience

Oh wow, I didn't realize this hashtag existed (#settledscience) - so I guess this means the debate's over....

[Strange Brew]

WTF are you guys even talking about? #settledscience

Sorry if some find the comments unsettling.

[Masterofreality]

From the Wall Street Journal today. Welp..

“ Hur*ri*cane sea*son has ar*rived in the At*lantic Ocean. Al*ready this sum*mer Hur*ri*canes Henri and Ida have caused head*line-gen*er*at*ing dam*age and flood*ing in the Gulf states, the South*east and the Mid*dle At*lantic states. Yet de*spite what you may have heard, At*lantic hur*ri*canes are not be*com*ing more fre*quent. In fact, the fre*quency of hur*ri*canes mak*ing land*fall in the con*ti*nen*tal U.S. has de*clined slightly since 1900.”

[chico]

From the Wall Street Journal today. Welp..

“ Hur*ri*cane sea*son has ar*rived in the At*lantic Ocean. Al*ready this sum*mer Hur*ri*canes Henri and Ida have caused head*line-gen*er*at*ing dam*age and flood*ing in the Gulf states, the South*east and the Mid*dle At*lantic states. Yet de*spite what you may have heard, At*lantic hur*ri*canes are not be*com*ing more fre*quent. In fact, the fre*quency of hur*ri*canes mak*ing land*fall in the con*ti*nen*tal U.S. has de*clined slightly since 1900.”

Damn I may cancel my subscription to the WSJ unless they hire some editors.

[Masterofreality]

Damn I may cancel my subscription to the WSJ unless they hire some editors.

For some reason, whenever I copy a section of an article from the WSJ it inserts asterisks. Don’t know why that happened.

[Masterofreality]

Hmmm. John Kerry is flying all over the world in jets using up plenty of CO2 and apologizing for America. BUT…

The country which emits more CO2 than all other developed nations combined is...drumroll please: CHINA! Source: https://bbc.in/2Vyx3Sy

And Anthony Blinken is so afraid of pissing off the CCP that he deletes and rewrites a tweet that says that Taiwan is it’s own country. My goodness.

[bobbiemcgee]

"Coal is the single biggest contributor to anthropogenic climate change. The burning of coal is responsible for 46% of carbon dioxide emissions worldwide and accounts for 72% of total greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from the electricity sector."
Who loves coal? Oh

[Masterofreality]

"Coal is the single biggest contributor to anthropogenic climate change. The burning of coal is responsible for 46% of carbon dioxide emissions worldwide and accounts for 72% of total greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from the electricity sector."
Who loves coal? Oh

The answer is China as they continue to build new plants….while Kerry just flies around the world aimlessly and diddles.

[Masterofreality]

"Coal is the single biggest contributor to anthropogenic climate change. The burning of coal is responsible for 46% of carbon dioxide emissions worldwide and accounts for 72% of total greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from the electricity sector."
Who loves coal? Oh

China puts 47% of the CO2 into the atmosphere. And the US is at 11%. I guess we urgently need to spend $3.5 Trillion. To catch up w/ China.
That is who “loves coal” Bobbie.

[paulxu]

Per Capita we're tied for 1st place! MAGA

(China is way behind in 15th)

https://www.statista.com/chart/24306/carbon-emissions-per-capita-by-country/

[Masterofreality]

Hmmmm.

Despite the hysteria, fire damage is overhyped. Thanks Wall Street Journal.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-activists-blow-smoke-on-wildfire-fears-adaptation-land-11635367688?st=4hg6ahovp1w98w5&reflink=article_copyURL_share

[Masterofreality]

Per Capita we're tied for 1st place! MAGA

(China is way behind in 15th)

https://www.statista.com/chart/24306/carbon-emissions-per-capita-by-country/

Ok. Good Paul. Sell your car and go live on an island, while China builds more coal plants. And they have said they would stop building coal plants for another 9 years.

Nothingburger

[GoMuskies]

Well, it's about to get REALLY warm in Glasgow with all the hot air that will be emitted at the climate change conference.

[Strange Brew]

Well, it's about to get REALLY warm in Glasgow with all the hot air that will be emitted at the climate change conference.

I thought warming causes cooling? Who can tell with these CNN conspiracy theorists.

[paulxu]

Ok. Good Paul. Sell your car and go live on an island, while China builds more coal plants. And they have said they would stop building coal plants for another 9 years.

Nothingburger

I'd rather stay here in my country and try to get us to not be in first place on that list, to help future generations.

[Masterofreality]

I'd rather stay here in my country and try to get us to not be in first place on that list, to help future generations.

NYT story today: China hurries to burn more coal putting Climate goals at risk
Oh don’t worry. China and India will continue to be up there, even while they spew BS and black smoke that they are all in with Paris.
I said it in the very first post on this thread. We’ve done plenty and the world is just fine. Talk to China with your pap.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/business/energy-environment/china-coal-climate.html

[Strange Brew]

NYT story today: China hurries to burn more coal putting Climate goals at risk
Oh don’t worry. China and India will continue to be up there, even while they spew BS and black smoke that they are all in with Paris.
I said it in the very first post on this thread. We’ve done plenty and the world is just fine. Talk to China with your pap.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/business/energy-environment/china-coal-climate.html

Honestly most of this garbage is used to slow Western economies to allow developing nations to catch up. Clinton (Bill) said the quiet part out loud during a speech in the 90’s. Thus, why the predictions fail and the science is junk but the equity Neoengels keep right on trucking.

[paulxu]

If you all are so dead set on China doing better with coal (and they should) why the hell aren't you concerned that our output of crap is more than theirs on a per capita basis.
Just doesn't make sense.

[Strange Brew]

If you all are so dead set on China doing better with coal (and they should) why the hell aren't you concerned that our output of crap is more than theirs on a per capita basis.
Just doesn't make sense.

Or we don’t care anymore about junk science.

[paulxu]

Interesting review of climate change featuring my old congressman from South Carolina.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/10/28/climate-change-history-reality-check-orig-jg.cnn

[Strange Brew]

Interesting review of climate change featuring my old congressman from South Carolina.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/10/28/climate-change-history-reality-check-orig-jg.cnn

What, no dinosaur video?

[Masterofreality]

If you all are so dead set on China doing better with coal (and they should) why the hell aren't you concerned that our output of crap is more than theirs on a per capita basis.
Just doesn't make sense.

Our “output of crap” is because we drive more cars and fly more planes- LIKE Kerry’s Private Jet that he flies everywhere- because our ENTIRE society has been built to be prosperous….that is until Biden took office. Let’s follow his lead and “Lower Expectations”. Sounds like a winning strategy!!
Give up your car Paul. Take the bus (which also spews out crap). Refuse to fly anywhere. China is burning more coal and they don’t give a sheet. We have largely stopped and also stopped acid rain. Remember that? We’ve already done a lot.
So stay in your house, Don’t drive, fly, or air condition your South Carolina house. For that matter don’t heat it either!
SAVE THE PLANET!!!!!!

[Masterofreality]

Interesting review of climate change featuring my old congressman from South Carolina.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/10/28/climate-change-history-reality-check-orig-jg.cnn

From 1965, huh.
Let’s’ Review “Climate Warnings” since then:
1960’s: Oil will run out in 10 years
1970’s: Another ice age in 10 years.
1980’s: Acid rain will destroy crops and plant life in 10 years.
1990’s: The ozone layer will be destroyed in 10 years.
2000’s: The icecaps will be gone in 10 years.
2010’s: Forest fires will destroy all lands. (Less land is burned now than 120, 60 etc years ago)
None of these has happened but man our taxes sure are higher and being “burned”.
Pretty interesting results from all the “dire warnings”, huh?

Maybe that’s why your state is full Republican now in the Senate.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yep, those people at NASA are real morons:

https://climate.nasa.gov/

[Masterofreality]

Yes. NASA climate scientists are always so accurate. Many of the predictions that I listed above came from NASA scientists.
Just follow the money. Who funds NASA? The Fed Govt. Wouldn’t want to lose funding now would they?

[paulxu]

It is very difficult to have meaningful discourse on here any more.
The video I posted includes a former congressman from my district whom I know.
He has taken a realistic approach to the climate situation, and sees a path forward that can work in a free market system.
(I'm guessing you might not have watched the video that far).
He lost his seat primarily because of the Tea Party here in my state, and yes, it is primarily a Republican state...but that is because of the Civil Rights legislation of the '60's.

[Strange Brew]

It is very difficult to have meaningful discourse on here any more.
The video I posted includes a former congressman from my district whom I know.
He has taken a realistic approach to the climate situation, and sees a path forward that can work in a free market system.
(I'm guessing you might not have watched the video that far).
He lost his seat primarily because of the Tea Party here in my state, and yes, it is primarily a Republican state...but that is because of the Civil Rights legislation of the '60's.

Agree Paul, it's hard to have a meaningful discourse with people who believe in nonsense. I'm all for a clean environment but this warming argument is stupid and the preachers are hypocrites at best, thieves at worst. And a friendly reminder that CO2 is not a pollutant from one carbon based lifeform to another.

[Masterofreality]

It is very difficult to have meaningful discourse on here any more.
The video I posted includes a former congressman from my district whom I know.
He has taken a realistic approach to the climate situation, and sees a path forward that can work in a free market system.
(I'm guessing you might not have watched the video that far).
He lost his seat primarily because of the Tea Party here in my state, and yes, it is primarily a Republican state...but that is because of the Civil Rights legislation of the '60's.

Here’s your meaningful discourse from the Wall Street Journal: “A Climate Summit to Nowhere”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-climate-summit-to-nowhere-glasgow-cop26-joe-biden-11635543010?st=155zd5533nseg3g&reflink=article_copyURL_share

By the way Paul. I doubt that a fine Black Republican Senator from your state got elected in reaction to people dismissing the Democrats in the 1960’s because of Civil Rights legislation. He got elected because he ran on policies that the people agreed with- Including Police Reform legislation that the Democrats filibustered out of existence.
(But the Democrats want to eliminate the filibuster. SMH)

By the way, Paul’s attempt to mourn the loss of meaningful discourse falls pretty flat given his constant bitching on here about the Adminstration before 1/20/21. I guess posting conspiracy theories that were later debunked and the latest Culture Panic as Existential Threat to the Republic- none of which ever occurred- is considered “meaningful discourse”. He seems to totally avoid meaningful discourse over this present Dumpster Fire of a President. Why is that?

[bobbiemcgee]

Yep, no effect on the planet, it just goes away like covid:

https://gyemgh.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/coal-plant.jpg

[Masterofreality]

Yep, no effect on the planet, it just goes away like covid:

https://gyemgh.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/coal-plant.jpg

China Bobbie. China. Focus on the shiny object that isn’t even at the “Climate Summit”

“ Mr. Xi promised in 2020 to re*duce cli*mate emis*sions—but only af*ter 2030. In the here and now, China is build*ing more coal-pow*ered plants be*cause grow*ing the econ*omy is a far higher pri*or*ity. The Krem*lin’s bud*get floats on oil and gas pro*duc*tion, and Mr. Putin won’t mind if West*ern Eu*rope goes to net zero. He’ll then have more en*ergy lever*age.”
Lead*ers of other big CO2 emit*ters, such as world num*ber-three In*dia, will be in Glas*gow but might as well not be. Del*hi’s en*vi*ron*ment min*is*ter sug*gested this week that his gov*ern*ment won’t sign up for net zero. With sev*eral hun*dred mil*lion In*di*ans still liv*ing in poverty, In*dia needs more en*ergy from fos*sil fu*els, as does all of Africa.“

[Strange Brew]

Yep, no effect on the planet, it just goes away like covid:

https://gyemgh.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/coal-plant.jpg

Plastic refuse is a problem. None of that had to do with CO2. The climates of the planet have and always will change. Not sure how tax money or activism will affect that.

But it makes people feel good to fight their straw people…

[paulxu]

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/10/29/an-open-letter-in-defense-of-democracy-column/

[Muskie in dayton]

Yep, no effect on the planet, it just goes away like covid:
Ohh, you’ve been following the Florida data! DeSantis did a hell of a job making that shit go away!

Back to global warming, if Democrats had any real interest in cutting CO2 emissions (vs. using it as more political fear porn for stupid people) they would 1. go after China, and 2. advocate for nuclear power. Calling it an existential threat without doing anything to actually help the problem is really pathetic.

[Masterofreality]

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/10/29/an-open-letter-in-defense-of-democracy-column/

Ha!! Not exactly an unbiased source.
First the Tampa Bay Times that is owned by the Poynter Institute that is part of U of South Florida:
Since 2019, The Washington Post has been partnering with the Poynter Institute to increase diversity in media, with the goal to expand Poynter's annual Leadership Academy for Diversity in Digital Media training journalists to become founders, top-level executives and innovators. Another sponsor is CNN Two of the most left biased sources in media today.

Second, as to The Bulwark. The Bulwark is an American anti-Trump conservative news and opinion website founded in 2018 by commentators Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol. Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol have been shown to be two of the biggest grifters in politics. Since their “Republican” days when they were advising campaigns AND COULD WIN ZERO ELECTIONS and were marginalized by the Republican Party, they started grifting off of woke #Resistance Democrats- exactly like the Lincoln Project- to collect millions of dollars in donations and getting paid “contributor” spots on networks like MSNBC and CNN. They are totally not legit.

Third, as to the New Republic. It’s not even a sham of impartiality. The New Republic is an American magazine of commentary on politics, contemporary culture, and the arts. Founded by several leaders of the progressive movement.
The magazine was sold in February 2016 to Win McCormack, under whom the publication has returned to an even more progressive stance.

Do better Paul. If I tried to post information from the Daily Caller, Ben Shapiro or the Washington Times you would reject it as well.
Stop with the sleight of hand. It won’t work here.

[paulxu]

That article appears in a lot of places. I used that site to prevent it being behind a paywall.
It is an opinion. It is not selling t-shirts, or vodka, or using taxpayers dollars to enrich itself.
The majority of the signers are academics.

[Strange Brew]

That article appears in a lot of places. I used that site to prevent it being behind a paywall.
It is an opinion. It is not selling t-shirts, or vodka, or using taxpayers dollars to enrich itself.
The majority of the signers are academics.

Oh Academics, why didn't you say so earlier? THAT changes everything....

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, all the NASA scientists are wrong all the time. How did we ever get to the moon/mars?

[Strange Brew]

Yeah, all the NASA scientists are wrong all the time. How did we ever get to the moon/mars?

Those scientists now work for Bezos, Branson and Musk. NASA gets what’s left.

[bobbiemcgee]

You guys remind me of the old Larson cartoon:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/75224256247826691/

Musk science:

https://observer.com/2021/04/elon-musk-xprize-climate-change-contest-open/

[Strange Brew]

You guys remind me of the old Larson cartoon:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/75224256247826691/

Musk science:

https://observer.com/2021/04/elon-musk-xprize-climate-change-contest-open/

The Larson carton looks like NASA’s skunkworks since ‘08. Different mission since around ‘08.

Musk is all about CC. The last idiot D POTUS gave him a ton of money. He’s hoping the current moron will do the same. He produces cars that run on fossil fuel energy btw.

[UCGRAD4X]

That article appears in a lot of places. I used that site to prevent it being behind a paywall.
It is an opinion. It is not selling t-shirts, or vodka, or using taxpayers dollars to enrich itself.
The majority of the signers are academics.

What do you have against Vodka?

[paulxu]

Ice, tonic, and some lime.

[Masterofreality]

Those scientists now work for Bezos, Branson and Musk. NASA gets what’s left.

Excellent point. All that are left are grifter “climate scientists” who’s paycheck depends on the narrative

[bobbiemcgee]

Hilarious, since Branson. musk and bezos all support climate change:https://apnews.com/article/climate-climate-change-jeff-bezos-bee1aea9cffc377400048dcb5b7405f0

[bobbiemcgee]

The Larson carton looks like NASA’s skunkworks since ‘08. Different mission since around ‘08.

Musk is all about CC. The last idiot D POTUS gave him a ton of money. He’s hoping the current moron will do the same. He produces cars that run on fossil fuel energy btw.

D POS you mean Donny. With a trillion dollar co. I don't think he needs the money. Colorado runs on 37% renewable energy. Goal is 100% by 2040. Guess you own coal stocks.

[Strange Brew]

D POS you mean Donny. With a trillion dollar co. I don't think he needs the money. Colorado runs on 37% renewable energy. Goal is 100% by 2040. Guess you own coal stocks.

Donny did not give tax dollars to get musk off the ground. All those guys support climate change? You'd think they'd be against it. But you can't really be for or against CC since you can't do much to affect it.

63% not renewable so more. Good to have goals Bobbie. But not there or near there yet.

[Masterofreality]

Hilarious, since Branson. musk and bezos all support climate change:https://apnews.com/article/climate-climate-change-jeff-bezos-bee1aea9cffc377400048dcb5b7405f0

Oh, sure they do. And they all fly into the Climate Summit on environment damaging private jets:

From Daily Mail:

“ Jeff Bezos's £48m Gulf Stream leads parade of 400 private jets into COP26”

So, yes Bobbie. You are accurate. They do support Climate Change by……..
Changing the Climate. (According to “Climate Scientists”

[murray87]

Wake him when it's over:

https://thelibertydaily.com/dear-leader-biden-appears-to-fall-asleep-at-cop26-un-climate-summit/

[GoMuskies]

I feel his pain. That had to be just brutal to sit through.

[bobbiemcgee]

63% not renewable so more. Good to have goals Bobbie. But not there or near there yet.

37% is a good start. 3-4% per year should get us to the goal. Why do you hate renewable energy?

[Strange Brew]

37% is a good start. 3-4% per year should get us to the goal. Why do you hate renewable energy?

Didn’t say I did. But I do have concerns over the environmental impacts of some sources. Everything has trade offs and nothing is free.

[xudash]

Wake him when it's over:

https://thelibertydaily.com/dear-leader-biden-appears-to-fall-asleep-at-cop26-un-climate-summit/

Seriously, he is an embarrassment to the United States. What a laughable moron.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=5XHz6JYj&id=B06A7960765B10ED9539203434B8E660AFAB8290&thid=OIP.5XHz6JYjse1Lcvyco4pyzgHaDe&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.wixstatic.com%2Fmedi a%2F6604a1_051cd8e6442947f5a5fd8e8b24505ac7~mv2.jp g%2Fv1%2Ffit%2Fw_529%2Ch_248%2Cal_c%2Cq_80%2Ffile. png&cdnurl=https%3A%2F%2Fth.bing.com%2Fth%2Fid%2FR.e57 1f3e89623b1ed4b72fc9ca38a72ce%3Frik%3DkIKrr2DmuDQ0 IA%26pid%3DImgRaw%26r%3D0&exph=248&expw=529&q=trump+snoozing&form=IRPRST&ck=D25C5B15B967E28504FA6C6A0D20CC1C&selectedindex=3&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0&pivotparams=insightsToken%3Dccid_SJOHJSfC*cp_5B5BE 42D76F1D0EE8C6C1147652A1A51*mid_DFED213BD80E777845 C5596789D545D164E89A77*simid_607992224819404730*th id_OIP.SJOHJSfCyXW-PIzyiHazBwHaEL&vt=0&sim=11&iss=VSI&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

[Masterofreality]

If man is some influence, don't talk to us Westerners. Go talk to those in the circle around China/Mongolia/India/Pakistan/Micronesia/Korea/Japan. More people live inside the circle than the entire world outside of that circle in the rest of the world. They burn coal, they have awful pollution, and they don't give a crap about their environment or public health in most of those areas. If anyone is dumping stuff in the sky, it's them.

So, to you so-called climatological experts...shut the hell up to us and go speak Chinese.....with your face mask on.

I started this thread 8 years ago and posted the above in that initial post.
This week China blew off the Climate Summit. Biden still wants to destroy America by his lunacy over climate, but….
After 8 years is it making sense yet?

[GoMuskies]

Didn't Russia skip as well? Trump definitely would have skipped, so we'd have been in interesting company...

[Strange Brew]

Didn't Russia skip as well? Trump definitely would have skipped, so we'd have been in interesting company...

Europe to Biden, party at the moon tower. Full kegs, everyone's going to be there. I suggest you ditch those geeks in your country and hop in with us. But that's alright, we'll talk about that later...

[Masterofreality]

Didn't Russia skip as well? Trump definitely would have skipped, so we'd have been in interesting company...

After Biden cancels a pipeline here, lets Russia have a pipeline, then asks OPEC to pump more oil.
What a crap show

[Masterofreality]

This probably belongs in the politics thread, but it’s about “climate” sooo
LET’S GO BRANDON!!!

https://amac.us/winter-of-peril-in-bidens-america/

[bobbiemcgee]

232 days with no snow here (record), but did get a few flakes Friday, otherwise been playing golf in the 60's/70's in Dec.

[Strange Brew]

232 days with no snow here (record), but did get a few flakes Friday, otherwise been playing golf in the 60's/70's in Dec.

And it’s glorious! Played Lone Tree a couple weeks ago and the MS guys I was paired with were pumped as the Farmer’s Almanac predicted this with a couple of heavy snow dumps later in winter. We may get to embarrass ourselves on the course all year!

[bobbiemcgee]

Not so good for the skiers and snowboarders. We may have to dam up the Colorado at Dillion.

[XU 87]

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

False predictions of environmental catastrophes have been occurring for many years. The current ones are no different.

So we can summarize the people who believe in the current dire predictions of "climate change" (formerly known as "global warming") as follows: "Yes, the predictions of imminent environmental catastrophes over the last 50 years have turned out to be resoundingly false, but this time the predictions will turn out to be accurate."

To which I respond with an old saying, "Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it."

[Masterofreality]

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

False predictions of environmental catastrophes have been occurring for many years. The current ones are no different.

“Science”

[MADXSTER]

So how much money does the US give to the 'cause' of Global Warming and how is that money spent? That never seems to be talked about. There is always talk about giving their fair share but how much and to whom?

[XU_Lou]

So how much money does the US give to the 'cause' of Global Warming and how is that money spent? That never seems to be talked about. There is always talk about giving their fair share but how much and to whom?

It's the thought that counts....

[xubrew]

232 days with no snow here (record), but did get a few flakes Friday, otherwise been playing golf in the 60's/70's in Dec.

Sounds like it’s warmer…

[94GRAD]

Global warming has hit Cincinnati. 69⁰ the warmest it's ever been on Christmas Day.

[Lloyd Braun]

Global warming has hit Cincinnati. 69⁰ the warmest it's ever been on Christmas Day.

Nice

[xu82]

Global warming has hit Cincinnati. 69⁰ the warmest it's ever been on Christmas Day.

It’s a Christmas Miracle!

Had a GREAT day with just my wife and my mom. Hope you all had a great day too.

[xubrew]

Global warming has hit Cincinnati. 69⁰ the warmest it's ever been on Christmas Day.

75 in Louisville. It has been the warmest December on record. And it will remain that way until December 2022.

[boozehound]

Global warming has hit Cincinnati. 69⁰ the warmest it's ever been on Christmas Day.

You need to check with MOR regarding the temperature in Cleveland before declare global warming valid based on the temperature on a given day in Cincinnati. If he disagrees we will need to go to a run-off based on the temperature in Boise, ID. Then we can repeat the whole thing tomorrow.

[GoMuskies]

75 in Louisville. It has been the warmest December on record. And it will remain that way until December 2022.

EP Tom Sawyer State Park was hopping this afternoon. I dominated the pickleball courts.

[bobbiemcgee]

Golf on Christmas Day here in Denver.

[xubrew]

Golf on Christmas Day here in Denver.

Sounds like it's warmer!

[xuwillie]

Sounds like it's warmer!


I've golfed in Denver on Christmas a couple times. Last time was about 10 years ago when it was in the mid 50s. Not unusual, was also in the 50s just a couple years ago..

[Masterofreality]

You need to check with MOR regarding the temperature in Cleveland before declare global warming valid based on the temperature on a given day in Cincinnati. If he disagrees we will need to go to a run-off based on the temperature in Boise, ID. Then we can repeat the whole thing tomorrow.

I’ve been informed numerous times by “Experts” on this board that Weather is not Climate.
Are we changing the rules now???

[XU 87]

I’ve been informed numerous times by “Experts” on this board that Weather is not Climate.
Are we changing the rules now???

When the weather supports "climate change", whether it's cold, snow, warm, or a hurricane, that's indicative of actual climate change. When the weather doesn't support climate change, such as a very cold winter or a cool summer, that's just indicative of "weather" and not climate.

That's why this is no longer called "global warming" and now called "climate change". Cooler weather wouldn't support "global warming". But it does support "climate change". So if it's cold, it's climate change. If it's warm, that's also climate change. If we get a drought- climate change, and if we get too much rain- climate change.

Heads I win. Tails you lose.

[bjf123]

I’m still waiting for the ice age the climate scientists in the 70s were sure was coming before the turn of the century. Remember, the one that was going to cause World War 3 and mass starvation when all the farmland was under a glacier?


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[waggy]

UK Inches Closer To Eliminating Private Car Ownership


necessary to ditch the "20th-century thinking centred around private vehicle ownership and towards greater flexibility, with personal choice and low carbon shared transport."


https://www.motorious.com/articles/features-3/uk-eliminating-car-ownership/

[Smails]

When the weather supports "climate change", whether it's cold, snow, warm, or a hurricane, that's indicative of actual climate change. When the weather doesn't support climate change, such as a very cold winter or a cool summer, that's just indicative of "weather" and not climate.

That's why this is no longer called "global warming" and now called "climate change". Cooler weather wouldn't support "global warming". But it does support "climate change". So if it's cold, it's climate change. If it's warm, that's also climate change. If we get a drought- climate change, and if we get too much rain- climate change.

Heads I win. Tails you lose.

Let's not forget the latest one: All weather-related disasters are now attributed to climate change. Flooding, fires, hurricanes, mudslides, typhoons...and so on. The term 'natural disaster' is going the way of the dinosaur..

[XU_Lou]

Here are a few headlines from the past predicting climate doomsday - will we (especially you youngsters) ever learn?:

1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980

1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030

1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production

1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent

1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend

1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018

1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018

1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000

1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019

1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming

2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is

2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past

2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024

2004: Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

2005: Manhattan Underwater by 2015

2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020

2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018

2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013

2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World

2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’

2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014

2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015

2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’


https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-eco-pocalyptic-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

[Strange Brew]

I've golfed in Denver on Christmas a couple times. Last time was about 10 years ago when it was in the mid 50s. Not unusual, was also in the 50s just a couple years ago..

Well, it’s cold again here and the mts. Received 2-5 feet of snow over the past 5 days. Winter has arrived again so time to talk about Chaos instead of Warming….

[94GRAD]

Well, it’s cold again here and the mts. Received 2-5 feet of snow over the past 5 days. Winter has arrived again so time to talk about Chaos instead of Warming….

PERFECT! Keep the snow coming, I'll be in Copper the middle of February and need that fresh powder

[D-West & PO-Z]

PERFECT! Keep the snow coming, I'll be in Copper the middle of February and need that fresh powder

I drove to Copper Mountain from St. Louis while in college. Worst drive ever!

Good luck on some fresh pow pow.

[Strange Brew]

I drove to Copper Mountain from St. Louis while in college. Worst drive ever!

Good luck on some fresh pow pow.

I70 from KC to Denver is one of the most boring drives I’ve done.

[GoMuskies]

I70 from KC to Denver is one of the most boring drives I’ve done.

Yes, but boring is far better than the awful drive from St. Louis to KC. It's always congested with 18 wheelers, and it seems like you have about 6 inches of shoulder between you and a concrete wall the entire trip.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I70 from KC to Denver is one of the most boring drives I’ve done.

Brutal

[XU 87]

I70 from KC to Denver is one of the most boring drives I’ve done.

Done it and agreed. You think once you get out of Kansas the scenery will change, but it doesn't, other than staring at the same mountain that is straight ahead for what seemed like several hundred miles.

Now back to climate change- FKA global warming.

And it was 68 degrees in Cincinnati yesterday. If this is global warming, I'm all for it. But sadly, it's just "weather".

[STL_XUfan]

Yes, but boring is far better than the awful drive from St. Louis to KC. It's always congested with 18 wheelers, and it seems like you have about 6 inches of shoulder between you and a concrete wall the entire trip.

Especially with gameday/student returning traffic. It is just 90 miles of white knuckling from St. Charles into Columbia.

[Masterofreality]

I70 from KC to Denver is one of the most boring drives I’ve done.

I’ll argue as I-80 across from Cleveland to Denver is worse. 15 miles out of The Land it is cornfields all the way, with the short exception of South of Chicago garbage area.

[X-band '01]

Not a fan of the world's biggest truck stop in Iowa, eh?

[UCGRAD4X]

I70 from KC to Denver is one of the most boring drives I’ve done.

Best argument for self driving cars EVER. Take a nap. Read a book. If you're with your girlfriend....wait, that will only cover 5 minutes. Watch a porno or two instead.

[Masterofreality]

Not a fan of the world's biggest truck stop in Iowa, eh?

Ahahaha! That place is impressive! I did stop there just to say hi! :-)
An oasis in a boring desert. The only other oasis of interest on this route is the “over the highway” agricultural museum at Kearney Nebraska. Shows up out of literally nowhere

[UCGRAD4X]

Ahahaha! That place is impressive! I did stop there just to say hi! :-)
An oasis in a boring desert. The only other oasis of interest on this route is the “over the highway” agricultural museum at Kearney Nebraska. Shows up out of literally nowhere

Hope you had your MAGA hat and not your BLM gear :crazy:

I'm assuming since you are hear to tell.....

[Strange Brew]

Not a fan of the world's biggest truck stop in Iowa, eh?

What’s wrong with Iowa? Been to Burlington and Des Moines is a fine town.

[X-band '01]

Didn't say there was - but I did remember that place when I drove to Cedar Falls for the Northern Iowa/Cornsword game a few years ago.

[Strange Brew]

Didn't say there was - but I did remember that place when I drove to Cedar Falls for the Northern Iowa/Cornsword game a few years ago.

Should of added a smiley as I was paraphrasing LT. Dan talking about AL.

[Smails]

Best argument for self driving cars EVER. Take a nap. Read a book. If you're with your girlfriend....wait, that will only cover 5 minutes. Watch a porno or two instead.

Dude...you can watch a porno for more than 5 minutes?

[Drew]

If you don't think global warming is happening you are an idiot. You can argue its effects are overstated and that the planet/humanity can adapt appropriately. But the earth is warming up, that's not up for debate.

Personally, I do think the effects are overstated but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to stop it. We have one earth to live on, conducting mass experiments with our environment is not a good idea.

[Strange Brew]

If you don't think global warming is happening you are an idiot. You can argue its effects are overstated and that the planet/humanity can adapt appropriately. But the earth is warming up, that's not up for debate.

Personally, I do think the effects are overstated but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to stop it. We have one earth to live on, conducting mass experiments with our environment is not a good idea.

Probably but I don’t think it has much to do with CO2.

[bjf123]

If you don't think global warming is happening you are an idiot. You can argue its effects are overstated and that the planet/humanity can adapt appropriately. But the earth is warming up, that's not up for debate.

My reason for questioning man made global warming is that the planet has been much warmer and much cooler over time. Who’s to say this isn’t a time of warming that just happens?

I also think it’s in the science community’s best interest to be predicting global doom and gloom. It certainly keeps the research dollars flowing in.


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[XU 87]

If you don't think global warming is happening you are an idiot. You can argue its effects are overstated and that the planet/humanity can adapt appropriately. But the earth is warming up, that's not up for debate.



Such strong language!!

This is from Climate.gov, updated in 2018:

The “pause” in global warming observed since 2000 followed a period of rapid acceleration in the late 20th century. Starting in the mid-1970s, global temperatures rose 0.5 °C over a period of 25 years. Since the turn of the century, however, the change in Earth’s global mean surface temperature has been close to zero.

[Masterofreality]

As I’ve constantly said over 8 years of this thread. All of these “climate change” predictions are based upon computer modeling, which, as proven by the Covid experience, is Emminently faulty. Over time all of those models have missed the mark. Don’t believe them.
Garbage in….garbage out.

[paulxu]

Such strong language!!

This is from Climate.gov, updated in 2018:

The “pause” in global warming observed since 2000 followed a period of rapid acceleration in the late 20th century. Starting in the mid-1970s, global temperatures rose 0.5 °C over a period of 25 years. Since the turn of the century, however, the change in Earth’s global mean surface temperature has been close to zero.

You picked one sentence from the original study published with data through 2012.
The update in 2015 and 2018 had a totally different take.


Using the data that were available at the time (through 2012), the last climate report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded that there had been no statistically significant increase in global surface temperature from 1998-2012.

According to a new NOAA analysis, the warming trend during that period was somewhat smaller than the longer-term (1951-2012) trend, but it wasn’t zero. And with the latest data calibrations and the most recent two years of global temperatures added to the series—including record-warm 2014—the warming experienced since 1998 is on par with the rate observed in the second half of the 20th century.

Basically, the new analysis confirms what climate scientists have said all along: natural variability (such as the patterns described in this article) may cause the rate of warming to change from one decade to the next, but global warming is still underway

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth%E2%80%99s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

[Strange Brew]

You picked one sentence from the original study published with data through 2012.
The update in 2015 and 2018 had a totally different take.



https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth%E2%80%99s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

Latest data calibrations….

[XU 87]

You picked one sentence from the original study published with data through 2012.
The update in 2015 and 2018 had a totally different take.



https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth%E2%80%99s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

Here's a different sentence from the same article:

Using the data that were available at the time (through 2012), the last climate report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded that there had been no statistically significant increase in global surface temperature from 1998-2012.

Here's another one, again from the same article, giving excuses why no warming occurred between 1998-2012:

The most likely explanation for the lack of significant warming at the Earth’s surface in the past decade or so is that natural climate cycles—a series of La Niña events and a negative phase of the lesser-known Pacific Decadal Oscillation—caused shifts in ocean circulation patterns that moved some excess heat into the deep ocean. Even so, recent years have been some of the warmest on record, and scientists expect temperatures will swing back up soon.

This is from the government bible on global warming. And it does prove one thing- the earth historically gets warmer and colder.

[STL_XUfan]

If you don't think global warming is happening you are an idiot. You can argue its effects are overstated and that the planet/humanity can adapt appropriately. But the earth is warming up, that's not up for debate.

Personally, I do think the effects are overstated but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to stop it. We have one earth to live on, conducting mass experiments with our environment is not a good idea.

Hold on, I thought this was a thread about terrible stretches of highway?

[XU 87]

Hold on, I thought this was a thread about terrible stretches of highway?

The man wouldn't let me rep you for this one. So public reps.

[bigdiggins]

If we blame global warming for more hurricanes every time we have one, can we blame it for less severe tornadoes too? It we're going to have fewer severe tornadoes we need to speed up global warming!

https://weather.com/safety/tornado/news/2021-12-11-ef5-f5-tornadoes-streak-record-longest

[Xville]

If we blame global warming for more hurricanes every time we have one, can we blame it for less severe tornadoes too? It we're going to have fewer severe tornadoes we need to speed up global warming!

https://weather.com/safety/tornado/news/2021-12-11-ef5-f5-tornadoes-streak-record-longest

Had an EF4 tornado in Western Kentucky a couple weeks ago with 190 mile an hour winds that killed 77 people.

[Strange Brew]

Had an EF4 tornado in Western Kentucky a couple weeks ago with 190 mile an hour winds that killed 77 people.

Had tornados in that part of the state and surrounding states for centuries. Nothing new.

[XU 87]

Had tornados in that part of the state and surrounding states for centuries. Nothing new.

See, for example, "The Wizard of Oz". Terrible tornado. Took her to an alternative world.

[xubrew]

Had tornados in that part of the state and surrounding states for centuries. Nothing new.

EF4 tornadoes in December?? When was the last time that happened in that part of the state?? I'm not saying it isn't a regular thing. I'm just saying I never recall anything close to that happening before at that time of year.

[xubrew]

To argue that the climate isn't changing is kind of like arguing that the ocean isn't wet. Perhaps you could argue (even correctly) that human activity has little to nothing to do with what's causing the changes, but you can't say that it isn't changing without sounding like a complete moron.

You also can't argue that pollution doesn't change the ENVIRONMENT for the worst. Maybe pollution is a big reason why the climate is changing and maybe it isn't, but either way we are starting to make the planet seem more and more like an elevator that someone farted in. I mean, whether you believe in climate change or not why would anybody want that or be okay with that?? Can't we at least agree that we don't want that!!?? It seems like the attitude is "Well, climate change isn't a thing, so we can just keep making a really big freakin' mess and ruining the rest of the environment." That's stupid, and that's what drives me nuts. Stop farting in the elevator and then insisting that you're not the reasons it stinks in there!!

[Xville]

Had tornados in that part of the state and surrounding states for centuries. Nothing new.

Sure but it doesn't happen in december as much, and my point was the absurdity of linking an article about the lack of severity of tornadoes when KY just had one where people lost their lives.

[Strange Brew]

Sure but it doesn't happen in december as much, and my point was the absurdity of linking an article about the lack of severity of tornadoes when KY just had one where people lost their lives.

Yes, that could have been seen as insensitive or “too soon”.