Soooooo, where is the Warming?

[Strange Brew]

EF4 tornadoes in December?? When was the last time that happened in that part of the state?? I'm not saying it isn't a regular thing. I'm just saying I never recall anything close to that happening before at that time of year.

It doesn’t matter however a tornado tore up Warren County in the fall about 20-25 years ago. They happen unfortunately but fortunately not every year or decade that I remember. The corridor is prone to that with a warm fall hit suddenly by a cold front as it borders colder and hotter climate zones.

[Strange Brew]

To argue that the climate isn't changing is kind of like arguing that the ocean isn't wet. Perhaps you could argue (even correctly) that human activity has little to nothing to do with what's causing the changes, but you can't say that it isn't changing without sounding like a complete moron.

You also can't argue that pollution doesn't change the ENVIRONMENT for the worst. Maybe pollution is a big reason why the climate is changing and maybe it isn't, but either way we are starting to make the planet seem more and more like an elevator that someone farted in. I mean, whether you believe in climate change or not why would anybody want that or be okay with that?? Can't we at least agree that we don't want that!!?? It seems like the attitude is "Well, climate change isn't a thing, so we can just keep making a really big freakin' mess and ruining the rest of the environment." That's stupid, and that's what drives me nuts. Stop farting in the elevator and then insisting that you're not the reasons it stinks in there!!

I do really disagree with any of this unless you think CO2 is a pollutant. Also, there is no Climate but climates. Lots of them.

[MADXSTER]

To argue that the climate isn't changing is kind of like arguing that the ocean isn't wet. Perhaps you could argue (even correctly) that human activity has little to nothing to do with what's causing the changes, but you can't say that it isn't changing without sounding like a complete moron.

You also can't argue that pollution doesn't change the ENVIRONMENT for the worst. Maybe pollution is a big reason why the climate is changing and maybe it isn't, but either way we are starting to make the planet seem more and more like an elevator that someone farted in. I mean, whether you believe in climate change or not why would anybody want that or be okay with that?? Can't we at least agree that we don't want that!!?? It seems like the attitude is "Well, climate change isn't a thing, so we can just keep making a really big freakin' mess and ruining the rest of the environment." That's stupid, and that's what drives me nuts. Stop farting in the elevator and then insisting that you're not the reasons it stinks in there!!

I know of no one that says there isn't climate change. It has been here since the earth was formed. Most people do not realize that we are still in an Ice Age(by definition, which will probably change). The Little Ice Age was about 350 years long and ended around 1750 - 1800. Did humans cause this Little Ice Age?

Once again, where does the money go? No one seems to answer this basic question. Follow the money.

[noteggs]

Let’s say hypothetically we give the progressives and liberals everything they want with climate change. What will actually happen to all the extreme weather events/changes and centuries worth of wild fires to name a few? I can tell you one thing, that will not be enough for those imposing the laws in 5 years.

As for the actual outcome for the planet - no one has a clue. Kinda reminds me of the end of the movie Finding Nemo when the fish finally escape to the ocean in baggies and one says, “so now what?” From the climate to covid, haven’t we seen enough evidence the federal government has no idea what the hell they’re doing in these controlling aspects of our lives?

Now I do think we should individually be good stewards to the environment where possible. Sure most conservatives, liberals, independents, and libertarians agree with this…well except for my liberal neighbor who doesn’t recycle a damn thing.

[bigdiggins]

Yes, that could have been seen as insensitive or “too soon”.

I didn't control that the article was written or posted 2 days after the tornado.

[Strange Brew]

I didn't control that the article was written or posted 2 days after the tornado.

I’m ok with it and it wasn’t absurd to post but some may be a bit sensitive to things. :)

[Masterofreality]

From decidedly NOT conservative publication Vox, from it’s “What We Got Right/Wrong in 2021.

“ Average world temperatures will increase relative to 2020 (80 percent) — WRONG

This is another one of those predictions that I make every year and get right about four years out of five. Usually average global temperatures increase, but those trendlines can be noisy and don’t always increase. In 2021, they actually fell a little from 2020. The year 2020 was the second-hottest one ever, while 2021 is on track to be the sixth-hottest year ever. It’s not much of a victory in the big picture of rising global temperatures, but hey, I’ll take it. Of course, despite getting this one wrong I’ll make the same prediction again next year. —KP”

I guess AOC’s prediction that we only had 10 years left is on pause.

[bjf123]

I guess AOC’s prediction that we only had 10 years left is on pause.

We’ve had 10 years left for what, 30 years now?


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[xuphan]

Let’s say hypothetically we give the progressives and liberals everything they want with climate change. What will actually happen to all the extreme weather events/changes and centuries worth of wild fires to name a few? I can tell you one thing, that will not be enough for those imposing the laws in 5 years.

As for the actual outcome for the planet - no one has a clue. Kinda reminds me of the end of the movie Finding Nemo when the fish finally escape to the ocean in baggies and one says, “so now what?” From the climate to covid, haven’t we seen enough evidence the federal government has no idea what the hell they’re doing in these controlling aspects of our lives?

Now I do think we should individually be good stewards to the environment where possible. Sure most conservatives, liberals, independents, and libertarians agree with this…well except for my liberal neighbor who doesn’t recycle a damn thing.

I am not a fan of the build back better bill proposed by Democrats in Congress but I am still waiting for how Republicans are going to address Climate Change. Have the republicans developed any sort of framework or legislation on how they want to fight climate change?

[Strange Brew]

I am not a fan of the build back better bill proposed by Democrats in Congress but I am still waiting for how Republicans are going to address Climate Change. Have the republicans developed any sort of framework or legislation on how they want to fight climate change?

What’s there to address?

[xuphan]

What’s there to address?

Um…the mass volume of CO2 and other greenhouse gases being put into the atmosphere by humans?

[94GRAD]

Um…the mass volume of CO2 and other greenhouse gases being put into the atmosphere by humans?

What do we do about the livestock emissions?

[GoMuskies]

What do we do about the livestock emissions?

Eat bugs instead

[xuphan]

What do we do about the livestock emissions?

Good point! Big Animal farms produce high levels of methane and not to mention the amount of CO2 released and land needed to grow crops to feed these animals. I’ll wait for Strange Brew to respond.

[paulxu]

What do we do about the livestock emissions?

Eat more bacon...faster???

[noteggs]

I am not a fan of the build back better bill proposed by Democrats in Congress but I am still waiting for how Republicans are going to address Climate Change. Have the republicans developed any sort of framework or legislation on how they want to fight climate change?

Yes expanding natural gas, more nuclear power and reforestation. Now would this reduce CO2? Should. If they tell me it would result in XYZ, I would think they were full of crap too.

Also think Republicans are trying to let the private sector figure it out because they don’t see it as an urgent matter like the doom and gloom Democrats. Of course even Elon Musk knows you can’t win with Democrats even with his innovations and contribution to reducing CO2. Why? Because his Tesla company isn’t unionized and he doesn’t pay his fair share. Did you know batteries built by unions are better for the environment - sarc font.

I’ll ask you a question, what are you doing personally to reduce your footprint? Never mind, it’s your choice not mine…

[xuphan]

Yes expanding natural gas, more nuclear power and reforestation. Now would this reduce CO2? Should. If they tell me it would result in XYZ, I would think they were full of crap too.

Also think Republicans are trying to let the private sector figure it out because they don’t see it as an urgent matter like the doom and gloom Democrats. Of course even Elon Musk knows you can’t win with Democrats even with his innovations and contribution to reducing CO2. Why? Because his Tesla company isn’t unionized and he doesn’t pay his fair share. Did you know batteries built by unions are better for the environment - sarc font.

I’ll ask you a question, what are you doing personally to reduce your footprint? Never mind, it’s your choice not mine…

Ya, Democrats thinks its dooms day and Republican don’t think it exists. The Republicans don’t want to get into it because their donor base in the private sector have a lot to lose from climate change reform. I mean it makes sense, if you get lots of lobby money from companies like the oil and gas industry to fund your campaign, why would you go along with legislation that would hurt those companies.

[Strange Brew]

Good point! Big Animal farms produce high levels of methane and not to mention the amount of CO2 released and land needed to grow crops to feed these animals. I’ll wait for Strange Brew to respond.

Wait, CO2? Are we talking about Warming or Climate Change?

[xuphan]

Wait, CO2? Are we talking about Warming or Climate Change?

We can talk about whatever you want Strange Brew. We can talk about the Build Back Better Bill, The Big Lie, Gun Control, Global Warming, Immigration, Brian Gregory, Climate Change, etc. What’s on your mind Strange Brew?

[noteggs]

Ya, Democrats thinks its dooms day and Republican don’t think it exists. The Republicans don’t want to get into it because their donor base in the private sector have a lot to lose from climate change reform. I mean it makes sense, if you get lots of lobby money from companies like the oil and gas industry to fund your campaign, why would you go along with legislation that would hurt those companies.

Thanks for pointing out Washington has a lobbying problem. I know shocker right. If some of measures were to pass, it would hurt several Republican donors and like I said before many democrat donors would reap the benefits. Typical Washington swamp (please no Trump talk because many of us old tea parties called it before him and no we didn’t coin that phrase).

Back to my original point and simple question, if we curb CO2 what will actually happen? My guess is the climate will change and keep changing. How?
Nobody knows.

Also most Republicans and Libertarians like myself believe the climate changes and provided a few initiatives that have been proposed. However, we don’t see the urgency to upend spending (yes I know we already have that problem) and more importantly the potential governmental control. Again, for what?

[xuphan]

[QUOTE=noteggs;716987]Thanks for pointing out Washington has a lobbying problem. I know shocker right. If some of measures were to pass, it would hurt several Republican donors and like I said before many democrat donors would reap the benefits. Typical Washington swamp (please no Trump talk because many of us old tea parties called it before him and no we didnÂ’t coin that phrase).

Back to my original point and simple question, if we curb CO2 what will actually happen? My guess is the climate will change and keep changing. How?
Nobody knows.

Also most Republicans and Libertarians like myself believe the climate changes and provided a few initiatives that have been proposed. However, we donÂ’t see the urgency to upend spending (yes I know we already have that problem) and more importantly the potential governmental control. Again, for what?[/

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. To your original point, letÂ’s say we stopped C02 emissions completely tomorrow, the Earth would continue to warm for several more years. It not a flip the switch type of thing. The urgency comes from the amount of time and resources it is going to take to research and develop methods that get away from greenhouse gases. We currently arenÂ’t there and I donÂ’t ever see us getting to that point. My question to you is what would have to happen to the climate for you to feel an urgency about climate change? Like the dems saying rising sea levels will turn coastal cities into oceans. Like if Miami Florida started going underwater, would that give a sense of urgency? If the Colorado river dried up because of no snow melt in the Rockies cause Las Vegas to not have water? LA burned down because of wildfires? Would that give a sense of urgency? What is that smoking gun? Just curious and thank you all for having this discussion. I enjoy hearing everyoneÂ’s thoughts even if I donÂ’t personally agree with them.

[Strange Brew]

We can talk about whatever you want Strange Brew. We can talk about the Build Back Better Bill, The Big Lie, Gun Control, Global Warming, Immigration, Brian Gregory, Climate Change, etc. What’s on your mind Strange Brew?

What does CO2 have to do with Climate(s) Change(ing). Warming maybe but CC is a dumb argument when one references CO2.

[UCGRAD4X]

you obviously have not heard about the settled science, which basically means STFU.

[UCGRAD4X]

so I will

[xuphan]

What does CO2 have to do with Climate(s) Change(ing). Warming maybe but CC is a dumb argument when one references CO2.

C02 and other greenhouse gases causes global warming. Global warming causes climate change. That a simple correlation. I am sure there are more in-depth scientific videos out there from your reference if you would like.

[Strange Brew]

C02 and other greenhouse gases causes global warming. Global warming causes climate change. That a simple correlation. I am sure there are more in-depth scientific videos out there from your reference if you would like.

No, I’m good. No point.

[XUBANDGRAD]

If the rats in congress really believe global warming was an issue Nancy pelosi wouldn’t have bought a 24 million dollar mansion on floridas coast. Obama wouldn’t be living in Martha’s Vineyard. If they truly believe it was an issue we would be pushing for NUCLEAR power. Not inefficient systems like wind and solar.

[xuphan]

If the rats in congress really believe global warming was an issue Nancy pelosi wouldn’t have bought a 24 million dollar mansion on floridas coast. Obama wouldn’t be living in Martha’s Vineyard. If they truly believe it was an issue we would be pushing for NUCLEAR power. Not inefficient systems like wind and solar.

How does someone in Congress make enough money to buy a 24 million dollar mansion?

[XUBANDGRAD]

How does someone in Congress make enough money to buy a 24 million dollar mansion?

I think we all know the answer to that. Nancy’s about to have a stroke if she can’t trade stocks anymore seeing as they are basically immune to insider trading.

[bobbiemcgee]

If the rats in congress really believe global warming was an issue Nancy pelosi wouldn’t have bought a 24 million dollar mansion on floridas coast. Obama wouldn’t be living in Martha’s Vineyard. If they truly believe it was an issue we would be pushing for NUCLEAR power. Not inefficient systems like wind and solar.


How does someone in Congress make enough money to buy a 24 million dollar mansion?


I think we all know the answer to that. Nancy’s about to have a stroke if she can’t trade stocks anymore seeing as they are basically immune to insider trading.

Probably because it's totally false:
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/12/01/fact-check-did-nancy-pelosi-buy-25-million-mansion-florida/8807199002/
That's what happens when you get your news on Facebook.
and Wind and Solar good in Colorado 30%

[XUBANDGRAD]

Probably because it's totally false:
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/12/01/fact-check-did-nancy-pelosi-buy-25-million-mansion-florida/8807199002/
That's what happens when you get your news on Facebook.
and Wind and Solar good in Colorado 30%

My point stands. Obama is in Martha’s Vineyard. Several dems live on the coast. If you were worried about climate change you would be begging for nuclear. Not ducking wind and solar which absolutely fail fucking miserably in the fall winter and rainy spring months.

[bobbiemcgee]

The Obama's wrote a bunch of books. People bought them. Free enterprise. We have 300 days of sunshine.

[Masterofreality]

Snow all over the country on January 17. Right on schedule as it should be.
Below freezing the next week.
Where is the warming…9 years later?
But it’s “weather, not climate”.

[xuphan]

Snow all over the country on January 17. Right on schedule as it should be.
Below freezing the next week.
Where is the warming…9 years later?
But it’s “weather, not climate”.

I wouldn’t say right on schedule. We here in Northwest Ohio just received our first accumulated snowfall of the season (A whopping 2 inches). Also this past December was the warmest on record.

[Masterofreality]

I wouldn’t say right on schedule. We here in Northwest Ohio just received our first accumulated snowfall of the season (A whopping 2 inches). Also this past December was the warmest on record.

Winter doesn't start until December 21. Most of December is Autumn. The seasons are just aligning more with their climatological reality.
There have been numerous non White Christmas years. Almost all Meteorolgists say that December this year was the result of La Niña. Pretty clear.
You could argue that early snow in past years was the result of global cooling.

[Xville]

https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/meteorological-seasons-astronomical-seasons-difference

[xuphan]

Winter doesn't start until December 21. Most of December is Autumn. The seasons are just aligning more with their climatological reality.
There have been numerous non White Christmas years. Almost all Meteorolgists say that December this year was the result of La Niña. Pretty clear.
You could argue that early snow in past years was the result of global cooling.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

[Strange Brew]

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

Government science.....

It's not that they're dumb it's that they think you are.

[xuphan]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;717969]Government science.....

It's not that they're dumb it's that they think you are.

Ah the Alex Jones type of response. If you have a more credible article as to why global warming isn’t happening or how the earth is somehow cooling I would love to read it. The whole Alex Jones type of response won’t cut it though.

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;717969]Government science.....

It's not that they're dumb it's that they think you are.

Ah the Alex Jones type of response. If you have a more credible article as to why global warming isn’t happening or how the earth is somehow cooling I would love to read it. The whole Alex Jones type of response won’t cut it though.

It may be warming or cooling and it always has Phan. Not sure what you're worried about.

[XUBANDGRAD]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;717969]Government science.....

It's not that they're dumb it's that they think you are.

Ah the Alex Jones type of response. If you have a more credible article as to why global warming isn’t happening or how the earth is somehow cooling I would love to read it. The whole Alex Jones type of response won’t cut it though.

You must not have been alive for the coming ice age in the 70s.

[Masterofreality]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;717969]Government science.....

It's not that they're dumb it's that they think you are.

Ah the Alex Jones type of response. If you have a more credible article as to why global warming isn’t happening or how the earth is somehow cooling I would love to read it. The whole Alex Jones type of response won’t cut it though.

Yes. “Science” has been sooooooo accurate during this pandemic. You do realize that all of this climate crap is based on “models”. The same type of models that were proven to be bullshit for Covid predictions.

If anything has been shown regarding “science” by the pandemic, it’s that “Science” is dependent on Dollar Grant Funding. Keep the illusion and deception alive, you keep those dollars flowing, and the “scientists” livelihood and fame.
Looking at you Fauci.

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=xuphan;717973]

Yes. “Science” has been sooooooo accurate during this pandemic. You do realize that all of this climate crap is based on “models”. The same type of models that were proven to be bullshit for Covid predictions.

If anything has been shown regarding “science” by the pandemic, it’s that “Science” is dependent on Dollar Grant Funding. Keep the illusion and deception alive, you keep those dollars flowing, and the “scientists” livelihood and fame.
Looking at you Fauci.

Science is fine. Government science is propaganda.

[bjf123]

[QUOTE=Masterofreality;717990]

Science is fine. Government science is propaganda.

As the saying goes, follow the money.


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[xuphan]

[QUOTE=Masterofreality;717990]

Science is fine. Government science is propaganda.

So everything is government propaganda then? The basic science should lead you to believe that humans are unnaturally releasing large quantities of greenhouse gases that cause global warming into the atmosphere. If we can’t get that far then I assume you agree with Alex Jones that the Sandy Hook shooting was fake. The effects of climate change is anyones guess but for the sake of the global economy, I hope the models are wrong.

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;717992]

So everything is government propaganda then? The basic science should lead you to believe that humans are unnaturally releasing large quantities of greenhouse gases that cause global warming into the atmosphere. If we can’t get that far then I assume you agree with Alex Jones that the Sandy Hook shooting was fake. The effects of climate change is anyones guess but for the sake of the global economy, I hope the models are wrong.

Unnaturally? You do realize you do that about every 2 seconds. The models are wrong and manipulated. If we can't get that far I guess you agree with Al Gore and other mooks buying beachfront property with their profits from this "science".

[xuphan]

[QUOTE=xuphan;718003]

Unnaturally? You do realize you do that about every 2 seconds. The models are wrong and manipulated. If we can't get that far I guess you agree with Al Gore and other mooks buying beachfront property with their profits from this "science".

Yes, models change all the time. That’s why my flu shot is useless this year and the weather man isn’t accurate so many days in advance. Climate models change as data changes. That doesn’t mean global warming isn’t happening. So you have Al Gore and AOC saying climate change is occurring and then you have Big Oil, and Donald Trump who say it’s a hoax. Both sides are buying beachfront property from their profits and propaganda. If that is your argument it seems a bit silly don’t you think? By the way, I asked you for articles saying that global warming is fake. I am still waiting on those articles. Also, maybe throw in an article about how climate models are being manipulated. Haven’t heard that one before.

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;718005]

Yes, models change all the time. That’s why my flu shot is useless this year and the weather man isn’t accurate so many days in advance. Climate models change as data changes. That doesn’t mean global warming isn’t happening. So you have Al Gore and AOC saying climate change is occurring and then you have Big Oil, and Donald Trump who say it’s a hoax. Both sides are buying beachfront property from their profits and propaganda. If that is your argument it seems a bit silly don’t you think? By the way, I asked you for articles saying that global warming is fake. I am still waiting on those articles. Also, maybe throw in an article about how climate models are being manipulated. Haven’t heard that one before.

Past data doesn't or shouldn't change. Don't know why you're bringing up Big Oil or Trump. I haven't read anything from either of them in a while. But it makes it easier for you to dismiss contrary thought I guess.

Never said GW was fake. I'm not even sure you understand any of this well enough which is why you need to demonize something to elevate your position.

Why are you scared of the Earth warming a couple of degrees if you don't know what that will do, if anything, anytime soon?

[xuphan]

[QUOTE=xuphan;718008]

Past data doesn't or shouldn't change. Don't know why you're bringing up Big Oil or Trump. I haven't read anything from either of them in a while. But it makes it easier for you to dismiss contrary thought I guess.

Never said GW was fake. I'm not even sure you understand any of this well enough which is why you need to demonize something to elevate your position.

Why are you scared of the Earth warming a couple of degrees if you don't know what that will do, if anything, anytime soon?


[QUOTE=xuphan;718008]

Past data doesn't or shouldn't change. Don't know why you're bringing up Big Oil or Trump. I haven't read anything from either of them in a while. But it makes it easier for you to dismiss contrary thought I guess.

Never said GW was fake. I'm not even sure you understand any of this well enough which is why you need to demonize something to elevate your position.

Why are you scared of the Earth warming a couple of degrees if you don't know what that will do, if anything, anytime soon?

This is like talking to a brick wall. What past data changed? Can you provide some sort of evidence to support your logic? I don’t mind debating or learning more about a topic but you have yet to provide anything to back up your claims. Heck, my stance can change if you can provide some credible article about why I shouldn’t be worried about global warming. Why should we worry about Earth warming a few degrees. Here is an article that tell you why.

https://www.earth.com/news/shocking-un-report-the-worst-of-climate-change-is-yet-to-come/?gclid=CjwKCAiA55mPBhBOEiwANmzoQi7N4OUbRGoEN9YbF4V 4oFYFUiGFCu660zZycuZNJ2mDq2gsLplc6BoCRYkQAvD_BwE

If you can’t bring any scientific research to this debate than please don’t respond to my post.

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;718009]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;718009]

This is like talking to a brick wall. What past data changed? Can you provide some sort of evidence to support your logic? I don’t mind debating or learning more about a topic but you have yet to provide anything to back up your claims. Heck, my stance can change if you can provide some credible article about why I shouldn’t be worried about global warming. Why should we worry about Earth warming a few degrees. Here is an article that tell you why.

https://www.earth.com/news/shocking-un-report-the-worst-of-climate-change-is-yet-to-come/?gclid=CjwKCAiA55mPBhBOEiwANmzoQi7N4OUbRGoEN9YbF4V 4oFYFUiGFCu660zZycuZNJ2mDq2gsLplc6BoCRYkQAvD_BwE

If you can’t bring any scientific research to this debate than please don’t respond to my post.

I don't need to as there has been much discussed here about the data. You can read back through this thread. Frankly, I don't care what you think or think you know.

And I'll respond to whatever I darn well please.

[xuphan]

[QUOTE=xuphan;718014][QUOTE=Strange Brew;718009]



I don't need to as there has been much discussed here about the data. You can read back through this thread. Frankly, I don't care what you think or think you know.

And I'll respond to whatever I darn well please.

This post sums it up. Have a good day fella.

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;718019][QUOTE=xuphan;718014]

This post sums it up. Have a good day fella.

Good day and enjoy your new religion.

Edit: Your article cites a report from the UN. You clearly aren't serious.

[Masterofreality]

Hey!! How’s that Global Warming going???
From the Cleveland Plain Duller:
“ Big snows: Just 11 times since the National Weather Service moved its official Cleveland station to the airport in 1938 has Cleveland recorded at least 10 inches of snow on a single day. And on only 20 occasions has the two-day snowfall topped a foot, reports Rich Exner. The last time the airport topped a foot over two days was just last month, when 13.6 inches accumulated on Jan. 16-17.The area will receive that today and tomorrow.”

Time to break out the Sunblock!!!!!

[X-band '01]

I'm just waiting for posters to say that today's snow/ice storm is a radical left wing conspiracy and that the government can't tell us what to do and blah blah blah with about 5-10 articles from right wing sites.

[Masterofreality]

*Taps microhone:
“Hello? Anybody in the climate Game?
Hey, it’s APRIL 17, 2022, and it is 37 degrees & snowing in Kansas City, 39 degrees in Chicago and 36 degrees in Cleveland.
Where the hell is this Global Warming “climate change” that you’ve been screeching, not preaching, to me about for the last 20-25 years?
I thought we were supposed to be all underwater or scorched off the planet by now?”
(And Thanks Joe Biden for being an abject, virtue signaling puppet fool)

[xuphan]

*Taps microhone:
“Hello? Anybody in the climate Game?
Hey, it’s APRIL 17, 2022, and it is 37 degrees & snowing in Kansas City, 39 degrees in Chicago and 36 degrees in Cleveland.
Where the hell is this Global Warming “climate change” that you’ve been screeching, not preaching, to me about for the last 20-25 years?
I thought we were supposed to be all underwater or scorched off the planet by now?”
(And Thanks Joe Biden for being an abject, virtue signaling puppet fool)

So there is a below average day temperatures in parts of the country and this is justification that Climate change isn’t happening? What a sad argument. I do agree that Joe is a puppet as was Trump and all of these fools in the White House.

[Masterofreality]

So there is a below average day temperatures in parts of the country and this is justification that Climate change isn’t happening? What a sad argument. I do agree that Joe is a puppet as was Trump and all of these fools in the White House.

Ha! So, it works when environmentalists point to alleged increased hurricanes (untrue) as evidence of Climate Change, but what I point out here isn't relevant. Can't have it both ways.
We were told years ago that if drastic action wasn't taken soon that oceans would rise, that the southern US would be uninhabitable and that the ozone layer would disappear. NONE of that is even remotely close to happening.
You do understand that all this climate trash is based upon computer modeling? You know, the same computer modeling that got Covid predictions so wrong?
Brother it's a huge grift for "research dollars" and for the Climate Glitterati to virtue signal while promoting their own publicity.
The "climate" has gone nowhere, Obama is buying ocean front property and Kerry is flying around in private jets. Total hypocrites. Meanwhile, as the US has worked to reduce coal emissions, to the benefit of cleaner air, China and India could care less and are building more coal fired plants. They just make "commitments" to do better by 2033 or so. All "man made climate change" is a hoax. Nature will do what it does and scoff and little men thinking they have an effect.
The planet will naturally warm and naturally cool in cycles, no matter what prideful, and hubris filled men "think" they do to change it.
Oh, and those electric cars? Ha, just research what kind of environmental damage it does to the earth in mining for those minerals to make the batteries and how much electricity it takes to recharge those batteries. Its a zero benefit game at greater cost.

[xuphan]

Ha! So, it works when environmentalists point to alleged increased hurricanes (untrue) as evidence of Climate Change, but what I point out here isn't relevant. Can't have it both ways.
We were told years ago that if drastic action wasn't taken soon that oceans would rise, that the southern US would be uninhabitable and that the ozone layer would disappear. NONE of that is even remotely close to happening.
You do understand that all this climate trash is based upon computer modeling? You know, the same computer modeling that got Covid predictions so wrong?
Brother it's a huge grift for "research dollars" and for the Climate Glitterati to virtue signal while promoting their own publicity.
The "climate" has gone nowhere, Obama is buying ocean front property and Kerry is flying around in private jets. Total hypocrites. Meanwhile, as the US has worked to reduce coal emissions, to the benefit of cleaner air, China and India could care less and are building more coal fired plants. They just make "commitments" to do better by 2033 or so. All "man made climate change" is a hoax. Nature will do what it does and scoff and little men thinking they have an effect.
The planet will naturally warm and naturally cool in cycles, no matter what prideful, and hubris filled men "think" they do to change it.
Oh, and those electric cars? Ha, just research what kind of environmental damage it does to the earth in mining for those minerals to make the batteries and how much electricity it takes to recharge those batteries. Its a zero benefit game at greater cost.

This is exactly the problem. People seems to take either extreme with the world is going to end approach to Climate Change or Climate Change doesn’t exist and things should remain status quo. I really don’t understand either argument and why people take stances to justify them. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. The facts are that humans release a large amount of CO2, methane, etc through the burning of fossil fuels, landfills, deforestation etc. Can’t expect the Earth to absorb the amount of gases human release and natural gases released from the Earth. So, instead of acting this way about the Global Warming, why don’t you come up with solutions to the problem. If you don’t believe it, what are your solutions when fossil fuels run out? That will happen eventually. We as a society should be doing better.

[Masterofreality]

This is exactly the problem. People seems to take either extreme with the world is going to end approach to Climate Change or Climate Change doesn’t exist and things should remain status quo. I really don’t understand either argument and why people take stances to justify them. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. The facts are that humans release a large amount of CO2, methane, etc through the burning of fossil fuels, landfills, deforestation etc. Can’t expect the Earth to absorb the amount of gases human release and natural gases released from the Earth. So, instead of acting this way about the Global Warming, why don’t you come up with solutions to the problem. If you don’t believe it, what are your solutions when fossil fuels run out? That will happen eventually. We as a society should be doing better.

Ok. I"ll email Greg Christopher.

Uh, no, Phan. Blindly accepting this BS and taking a "middle of the road" attitude is exactly how we are in this economic mess today with reduced domestic energy production and *some energy sources being deemed "acceptable" while others, even some that are "Clean Energy" like nuclear, are not. Meanwhile China, who doesn't give a shit, continue to eat our lunch and Putin continued to hold virtue signalers like Euro countries hostage.

My solution is drill, drill, drill while continuing to research what may and may not be acceptable future alternatives. Not this panic stricken "Climate Change" BS that is crippling US society today by artificially condensing time frames of baseless "deadlines" and forcing people who can barely afford bus fare into "proper" electric vehicles to no true effect.
And what say you of the preening, lying, misinformation peddling hypocrites? "WE" (meaning American Society) has been doing better long before anyone else. Direct your critique to those in China and India among others if you are still so worried about the planet.
I, for one, am not.

[xuphan]

Ok. I"ll email Greg Christopher.

Uh, no, Phan. Blindly accepting this BS and taking a "middle of the road" attitude is exactly how we are in this economic mess today with reduced domestic energy production and *some energy sources being deemed "acceptable" while others, even some that are "Clean Energy" like nuclear, are not. Meanwhile China, who doesn't give a shit, continue to eat our lunch and Putin continued to hold virtue signalers like Euro countries hostage.

My solution is drill, drill, drill while continuing to research what may and may not be acceptable future alternatives. Not this panic stricken "Climate Change" BS that is crippling US society today by artificially condensing time frames of baseless "deadlines" and forcing people who can barely afford bus fare into "proper" electric vehicles to no true effect.
And what say you of the preening, lying, misinformation peddling hypocrites? "WE" (meaning American Society) has been doing better long before anyone else. Direct your critique to those in China and India among others if you are still so worried about the planet.
I, for one, am not.

How does taking a middle of the road approach mean that I am accepting the BS from either party? What a baffling comment. Taking a middle of the road approach calls out both parties for their bad policies and the way they conduct themselves on tax payer money. The problem is that people in this country feel that they have to be either a republican or a democrat. You have to stand on one side or the other. This is the sheep mentality as you become brainwashed by CNN or Fox News to believe everything the democrats or republicans are doing. Spreading disinformation about policies to the point that fake news is everywhere. You gotta do better though and not pick one day in a couple of places that are below average in temperature as a justification that climate change isn’t real. Unless you are a Republican sheep.

[X Factor]

Up here in ND, we just got 47 inches of snow over about 5 days. It royally sucks. Last Tuesday night - Thursday we got 36 inches and just woke up on Easter morning to 9 more inches.

It takes a lot of snow to shut this state down, but people are still digging out of this one. The local hospital was asking for volunteers with 4-wheelers and side by sides to help get staff to the hospital. We had 40-50mph winds and snow drifts 15-20 feet high.
At least I won't be cutting the grass until June.

ND has some of the most extreme weather. -40 to -50 in the winter and 100+ in the summer.

[Masterofreality]

How does taking a middle of the road approach mean that I am accepting the BS from either party? What a baffling comment. Taking a middle of the road approach calls out both parties for their bad policies and the way they conduct themselves on tax payer money. The problem is that people in this country feel that they have to be either a republican or a democrat. You have to stand on one side or the other. This is the sheep mentality as you become brainwashed by CNN or Fox News to believe everything the democrats or republicans are doing. Spreading disinformation about policies to the point that fake news is everywhere. You gotta do better though and not pick one day in a couple of places that are below average in temperature as a justification that climate change isn’t real. Unless you are a Republican sheep.

A middle of the road approach means you stand for nothing. Not baffling at all. Try that Milquetoast “middle of the Road” approach with somebody cramming garbage down your throat. I grew up in the 1960’s where aggressively pushing back against created BS narratives was what you did, and still should do.
By the way. Think for yourself. I don’t listen to the BS on CNN OR Fox. I READ. A LOT.
Just as Xavier taught me to do to research.

[xu82]

A middle of the road approach means you stand for nothing. Not baffling at all. Try that Milquetoast “middle of the Road” approach with somebody cramming garbage down your throat. I grew up in the 1960’s where aggressively pushing back against created BS narratives was what you did, and still should do.
By the way. Think for yourself. I don’t listen to the BS on CNN OR Fox. I READ. A LOT.
Just as Xavier taught me to do to research.

There is NOTHING wrong with being in the middle. It does NOT mean you stand for nothing. Don’t put that on people. You have no idea what they stand for.

There is usually something wrong with being at either extreme. Being in the middle does NOT mean you are ignorant or uniformed. It probably means you weren’t fooled by the extremists.

[xeus]

A middle of the road approach means you stand for nothing.

LOL

Are you serious?

[Masterofreality]

LOL

Are you serious?


The old saying is: "You walk down the middle of the road? YOU GET RUN OVER!"

Stand up and take a committed, principled, educated side. Don't be a flippity flop milquetoast.

You bet I'm serious.

By the way, don't be distracted by the shiny object. The US is being shysterd on this "Man-Made" Climate Change trash. That is the point.

[xu82]

The old saying is: "You walk down the middle of the road? YOU GET RUN OVER!"

Stand up and take a committed, principled, educated side. Don't be a flippity flop milquetoast.

You bet I'm serious.

By the way, don't be distracted by the shiny object. The US is being shysterd on this "Man-Made" Climate Change trash. That is the point.

Maybe some people need to walk down the reasonable middle….and punch the people on either side in the face. I’m anti-violence, but I’m sick of the extremists controlling the conversation.

[XU_Lou]

Maybe some people need to walk down the reasonable middle….and punch the people on either side in the face. I’m anti-violence, but I’m sick of the extremists controlling the conversation.

Okay, what exactly is the reasonable middle? Tell us what YOU think, and what YOU would do. Or is it really just the case that anyone that doesn't agree with you is an extremist?

[xu82]

Okay, what exactly is the reasonable middle? Tell us what YOU think, and what YOU would do. Or is it really just the case that anyone that doesn't agree with you is an extremist?

Ask me a reasonable, and answerable, question. Reasonable about what, exactly?

[XU_Lou]

Ask me a reasonable, and answerable, question. Reasonable about what, exactly?

I'm pretty sure I wrote that in English.

[Muskie in dayton]

This is exactly the problem. People seems to take either extreme with the world is going to end approach to Climate Change or Climate Change doesn’t exist and things should remain status quo. I really don’t understand either argument and why people take stances to justify them. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. The facts are that humans release a large amount of CO2, methane, etc through the burning of fossil fuels, landfills, deforestation etc. Can’t expect the Earth to absorb the amount of gases human release and natural gases released from the Earth. So, instead of acting this way about the Global Warming, why don’t you come up with solutions to the problem. If you don’t believe it, what are your solutions when fossil fuels run out? That will happen eventually. We as a society should be doing better.

The “middle of the road” approach is not accepting the leftist narrative, which you clearly have done. You have stated a theory as fact and demanded government action. If there’s one thing We should have learned from COVID it’s that Government action to address a perceived problem, before understanding the problem, and more importantly, before taking time to assess the indirect effects and collateral damage of such actions, is a terribly dangerous thing.

[paulxu]

When the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community is that humans are contributing to climate change, and that it is possible to take some actions as a group to reverse negative consequences...that's not a "leftist narrative."
That's a position by people who generally don't have a position defined by personal belief, but rather by measurable facts
(yes, there are some who occasionally seem swayed by money or fame, but not a global wide consensus on a particular topic)

Somehow, in our lifetime, science and medical challenges have become political. Not a good look for our time in history.

[XU_Lou]

The Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Paul / 82 / Phan:

1) Can any of you tell me what the normal annual temperature of the Earth should be?

2) Can anyone tell me if we're outside the normal range in temperature fluctuations right now?

3) How was the average annual temperature for the Earth calculated, say, for 1492?

[xuphan]

The Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Paul / 82 / Phan:

1) Can any of you tell me what the normal annual temperature of the Earth should be?

2) Can anyone tell me if we're outside the normal range in temperature fluctuations right now?

3) How was the average annual temperature for the Earth calculated, say, for 1492?

What does the Earth being 4.5 billion years old have to do with global warming? I canÂ’t take you seriously with a post like that. The world is not going to end tomorrow because of Global Warming but the release of human related greenhouse gases and deforestation are going to cause global temperatures to increase. That is the middle of the road approach. Not taking an extreme leftist approach and banning fossil fuels all together at once but also not taking an extreme rightist approach and saying nothing is happening continue to release these gases at will. The truth is always somewhere near the middle between the extreme leftist and extreme rightist viewpoint.

[Masterofreality]

What does the Earth being 4.5 billion years old have to do with global warming? I canÂ’t take you seriously with a post like that. The world is not going to end tomorrow because of Global Warming but the release of human related greenhouse gases and deforestation are going to cause global temperatures to increase. That is the middle of the road approach. Not taking an extreme leftist approach and banning fossil fuels all together at once but also not taking an extreme rightist approach and saying nothing is happening continue to release these gases at will. The truth is always somewhere near the middle between the extreme leftist and extreme rightist viewpoint.

Why can’t you ever answer a question without deferring to something like “Send Greg Christopher an email?”.

[xuphan]

Why can’t you ever answer a question without deferring to something like “Send Greg Christopher an email?”.

I won’t answer questions from Lou because he won’t answer mine. It works both ways in my book but he likes to ask questions but not answer them. Sending Christopher and the administration seemed to make a difference in getting Steele out. What have you done other than to be a sheep for a political party?

[XU_Lou]

What does the Earth being 4.5 billion years old have to do with global warming? I canÂ’t take you seriously with a post like that. The world is not going to end tomorrow because of Global Warming but the release of human related greenhouse gases and deforestation are going to cause global temperatures to increase. That is the middle of the road approach. Not taking an extreme leftist approach and banning fossil fuels all together at once but also not taking an extreme rightist approach and saying nothing is happening continue to release these gases at will. The truth is always somewhere near the middle between the extreme leftist and extreme rightist viewpoint.

Again, where's your proof? As MID stated on the previous page, you're willing to make policy changes based on faulty data, faulty assumptions and faulty conclusions without understanding the implications of those decisions.

Show me the proof. Those questions of mine need to be answered. Sorry, fear-mongering just isn't going to cut it.... I want science.

[Masterofreality]

Oh, and those electric cars? Ha, just research what kind of environmental damage it does to the earth in mining for those minerals to make the batteries and how much electricity it takes to recharge those batteries. Its a zero benefit game at greater cost.

And right on cue with my statement above is this from the Wall Street Journal today:

“On both sides of the Atlantic, leaders promise that more green energy—solar, wind and electric vehicles—will cure Western overreliance on volatile oil and natural gas and further isolate Russia. But that cure would be far worse than the disease because green energy’s staggering use of basic minerals will fuel inflation.
Producing energy from wind and solar machines, and especially from batteries, requires an enormous increase in supplies of copper, nickel, aluminum, graphite, lithium and other minerals. Each electric vehicle contains about 400 pounds more aluminum and about 150 pounds more copper than a conventional car. That’s really going to add up at the proposed levels of production. The same goes for the suite of minerals necessary to build the tens of thousands of wind turbines and millions of solar modules needed for green plans. Unfortunately, as the International Energy Agency and others have pointed out, supply of critical minerals isn’t expanding apace nor can it because this mineral supply in the earth is limited as well. Not even close to being long term adequate. That’s an incendiary formula for inflation.”

Take your pick which way you want to “save the planet”. (Large Eye Roll)

[Xville]

What should be done about it is something that should and can be reasonably argued and also to what extent humans have on the impact. However, To deny that there is climate change is just deciding to be obtuse based on your political beliefs.

https://climate.nasa.gov/

There is plenty of science, data and facts/figures within that website.

Now there will be some retort of NASA being a government entity and follow the money and some other complete bs.

I do think its funny though that the "save the world" types believe electric cars and batteries are somehow better than gas/oil.

[Masterofreality]

What should be done about it is something that should and can be reasonably argued and also to what extent humans have on the impact. However, To deny that there is climate change is just deciding to be obtuse based on your political beliefs.

https://climate.nasa.gov/

Dude, I have said all along that this is about the myth that this is man made and the ludicrous virtue signaling over reaction to it.
The earth and nature will always change. Man is minuscule. Nature rules and always will.

[Xville]

Dude, I have said all along that this is about the myth that this is man made.
The earth and nature will always change. Man is minuscule. Nature rules and always will.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

So, you deny all this science, and think that what...it is a conspiracy and a money grab?

and let's say that your theory is correct that the man made portion is a myth, is it your position then that nothing should be done to still counteract what is happening? Or do you just not give a crap because we will all be long gone before anything of real significance will happen?

[xuphan]

Global warming is like cancer: if you ignore it, it just goes away.


Dude, I have said all along that this is about the myth that this is man made and the ludicrous virtue signaling over reaction to it.
The earth and nature will always change. Man is minuscule. Nature rules and always will.

This has to be the best post I have ever seen. Sorry Lou but Master dude here has taken the cake with this one. I wonder if nature ruled with the chynobal disaster? How about the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan? Maybe you should roll around on the ground in these areas and see if “nature still rules”. Nature will take care of itself right? Human can’t alter the Earth and man is minuscule. I guess man isn’t capable of starting a million acre wildfire out west, deforesting the rainforest, dumping toxic barrels into the pacific, causing animal extinctions, creating the pacific garbage patch, altering the speed of rotation of the earth from a hydroelectric water dam, etc. This is all minuscule right? Mother Nature is going to win in the end right? GoMuskie said it perfectly relating global warming to cancer. You don’t know you have it until it hit you. By that time, it may be to late. I will translate this in sheep for all the extreme left and right wing posters on this site. Baa Baa Baa

[XU_Lou]

The graph on this page is a joke: https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

It's like seeing only one pitch in a single baseball game and making a broad determination on the success of a franchise.



BTW, I've done data modeling as part of my jobs in the past. As MOR has stated on previous occasions, Garbage IN = Garbage OUT

I'm sorry, the measurement of Earth's temperatures prior to the past few decades is fundamentally and fatally flawed.

[xuphan]

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

So, you deny all this science, and think that what...it is a conspiracy and a money grab?

and let's say that your theory is correct that the man made portion is a myth, is it your position then that nothing should be done to still counteract what is happening? Or do you just not give a crap because we will all be long gone before anything of real significance will happen?

I bet the extreme right say the info from this website is not real.

[Xville]

I bet the extreme right say the info from this website is not real.

yep thats about the answer we got...shocking.

[Masterofreality]

This has to be the best post I have ever seen. Sorry Lou but Master dude here has taken the cake with this one. I wonder if nature ruled with the chynobal disaster? How about the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan? Maybe you should roll around on the ground in these areas and see if “nature still rules”. Nature will take care of itself right? Human can’t alter the Earth and man is minuscule. I guess man isn’t capable of starting a million acre wildfire out west, deforesting the rainforest, dumping toxic barrels into the pacific, causing animal extinctions, creating the pacific garbage patch, altering the speed of rotation of the earth from a hydroelectric water dam, etc. This is all minuscule right? Mother Nature is going to win in the end right? GoMuskie said it perfectly relating global warming to cancer. You don’t know you have it until it hit you. By that time, it may be to late. I will translate this in sheep for all the extreme left and right wing posters on this site. Baa Baa Baa

And zero of those things that you point out have zero to do with Global Warming...although when those fires out west were burning the Climate Alarmists were shouting that Climate Change was responsible.

And when, exactly does it hit you? We were told in the 70's that the earth was cooling! Has that hi now with snow on 4/18/22?
When exactly does AOC's dire prediction that we only have, now, 6 years left until disaster hit? When is the "tipping point" that alleged experts were saying was gonna happen in 25 years (in 1995) actually hit?
This thread is 9 years old now, and it, again, is snowing on 4/18/22.
You have zero clue. stop with the panic porn.

[xu82]

Will somebody please notify me if somebody changes anyone else’s mind here? That would be a monumental occasion!

[xuphan]

And zero of those things that you point out have zero to do with Global Warming...although when those fires out west were burning the Climate Alarmists were shouting that Climate Change was responsible.

And when, exactly does it hit you? We were told in the 70's that the earth was cooling! Has that hi now with snow on 4/18/22?
When exactly does AOC's dire prediction that we only have, now, 6 years left until disaster hit? When is the "tipping point" that alleged experts were saying was gonna happen in 25 years (in 1995) actually hit?
This thread is 9 years old now, and it, again, is snowing on 4/18/22.
You have zero clue. stop with the panic porn.

I was responding to your moronic post that human have little impact on nature with examples showing how humans DO have an impact. However, deforestation HAS an impact on global warming as it is one of the ways the Earth captures CO2. If you canÂ’t connect those dots than you need to go back to grade school buddy. I love the justification that it snowing in April means that global warming isnÂ’t happening. We also had snow in May in the 1990s. One location on one day does not mean global warming is not happening. I can pick a day that was the warmest on record. Does that mean Global Warming is happening? What a pathetic justification. Just spouting off the climate change isnÂ’t real and any other evidence to the contrary is fake news. You far left extremist and far right extremist are delusional and are puppets/sheep for political parties. Enjoy being mentally owned by these political parties buddy. I will translate it in sheep so you can understand. Baa Baa Baa

[XU_Lou]

Will somebody please notify me if somebody changes anyone else’s mind here? That would be a monumental occasion!

I'm sorry, I didn't realize someone was holding a gun to your head and forcing to read this thread. Do you want someone to call the FBI?

[XU_Lou]

I was responding to your moronic post that human have little impact on nature with examples showing how humans DO have an impact. However, deforestation HAS an impact on global warming as it is one of the ways the Earth captures CO2. If you canÂ’t connect those dots than you need to go back to grade school buddy. I love the justification that it snowing in April means that global warming isnÂ’t happening. We also had snow in May in the 1990s. One location on one day does not mean global warming is not happening. I can pick a day that was the warmest on record. Does that mean Global Warming is happening? What a pathetic justification. Just spouting off the climate change isnÂ’t real and any other evidence to the contrary is fake news. You far left extremist and far right extremist are delusional and are puppets/sheep for political parties. Enjoy being mentally owned by these political parties buddy. I will translate it in sheep so you can understand. Baa Baa Baa

Put the crack pipe down, sober up a little, and then try to write a coherent post that supports your position.

[bjf123]

Will somebody please notify me if somebody changes anyone else’s mind here? That would be a monumental occasion!

If that happens, someone should call the Vatican because it would be a miracle!


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[paulxu]

I'm sorry, the measurement of Earth's temperatures prior to the past few decades is fundamentally and fatally flawed.

Sometimes I wonder if you are an XU graduate...not that you have to be to post here.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-are-past-temperatures/

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php

[xuphan]

Put the crack pipe down, sober up a little, and then try to write a coherent post that supports your position.

My bad sheep. I forgot to add a fourth Baa to my post. So to translate my post again so you Extreme rightist sheep can read it. Baa Baa Baa Baa!

[XU_Lou]

Sometimes I wonder if you are an XU graduate...not that you have to be to post here.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-are-past-temperatures/

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php

Paul, I can think for myself, thank you very much, That's what Xavier taught me. What did you get out of your time there?


Anyway, thanks for making my point.

Using ice core samples from a tiny portion of the globe to extrapolate what the avg temps are for the rest of the world over the past millenia? What could possibly go wrong with that?

From the first link: "From a site called Dome C in Antarctica, we have recently reconstructed the climate spanning the last three quarters of a million years, and have shown seven ice ages, each interspersed with a warm interglacial climate such as the one we are living in today."

So, what the problem?

According to the 1st graph of the 2nd link we are still within the range of past warming periods. In other words, we aren't spiking above the last several warming periods. Moreover, that same graph shows we are also within the normal trend of warming and cooling over the past ~500K years.


The data is fundamentally and fatally flawed:

"The problem with the use of ice cores as a proxy for CO2 measurements is that the ice is unavoidably contaminated by liquid water. Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski of the Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection (CLOR) in Warsaw, Poland, in written testimony submitted to a U.S. Senate committee in March 2004 said:

Determinations of CO2 in polar ice cores are commonly used for estimations of the pre-industrial CO2 atmospheric levels. Perusal of these determinations convinced me that glaciological studies are not able to provide a reliable reconstruction of CO2 concentrations in the ancient atmosphere. This is because the ice cores do not fulfill the essential closed system criteria. One of them is a lack of liquid water in ice, which could dramatically change the chemical composition the air bubbles trapped between the ice crystals. This criterion, is not met, as even the coldest Antarctic ice (down to -73°C) contains liquid water. More than 20 physico-chemical processes, mostly related to the presence of liquid water, contribute to the alteration of the original chemical composition of the air inclusions in polar ice."

https://agw-heretic.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-ice-core-samples-are-unreliable.html

"To the dismay of Al Gore, the answer is that this graph doesn't prove at all that CO2 has any effect on the global temperature. All it says is that there is some equilibrium between dissolved CO2 and atmospheric CO2, an equilibrium which depends on the temperature. Of course, the temperature itself can depend on a dozen different factors, including CO2, but just the CO2 / temperature correlation by itself doesn't tell you the strength of the CO2→ΔT link. It doesn't even tell you the sign."

http://www.sciencebits.com/IceCoreTruth/


Again, thanks for proving this isn't an issue...

[paulxu]

I use Scientific American and NASA...and you quote the global warming heretic blogspot?

I'll take door #1 Alex.

Yes we're in a warming cycle, of which there have been many in the past as noted. We're just increasing far faster than recorded in the past.

[Xville]

I use Scientific American and NASA...and you quote the global warming heretic blogspot?

I'll take door #1 Alex.

Yes we're in a warming cycle, of which there have been many in the past as noted. We're just increasing far faster than recorded in the past.

Lou cracks me up. "he thinks for himself" lol funniest thing i have ever heard. Next he is going to tell me how wrong I was about Steele and how he took us to the second weekend of the tournament....remember that one, Lou? Wrong again..shocking

[Xville]

Paul, I can think for myself, thank you very much, That's what Xavier taught me. What did you get out of your time there?


Anyway, thanks for making my point.

Using ice core samples from a tiny portion of the globe to extrapolate what the avg temps are for the rest of the world over the past millenia? What could possibly go wrong with that?

From the first link: "From a site called Dome C in Antarctica, we have recently reconstructed the climate spanning the last three quarters of a million years, and have shown seven ice ages, each interspersed with a warm interglacial climate such as the one we are living in today."

So, what the problem?

According to the 1st graph of the 2nd link we are still within the range of past warming periods. In other words, we aren't spiking above the last several warming periods. Moreover, that same graph shows we are also within the normal trend of warming and cooling over the past ~500K years.


The data is fundamentally and fatally flawed:

"The problem with the use of ice cores as a proxy for CO2 measurements is that the ice is unavoidably contaminated by liquid water. Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski of the Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection (CLOR) in Warsaw, Poland, in written testimony submitted to a U.S. Senate committee in March 2004 said:

Determinations of CO2 in polar ice cores are commonly used for estimations of the pre-industrial CO2 atmospheric levels. Perusal of these determinations convinced me that glaciological studies are not able to provide a reliable reconstruction of CO2 concentrations in the ancient atmosphere. This is because the ice cores do not fulfill the essential closed system criteria. One of them is a lack of liquid water in ice, which could dramatically change the chemical composition the air bubbles trapped between the ice crystals. This criterion, is not met, as even the coldest Antarctic ice (down to -73°C) contains liquid water. More than 20 physico-chemical processes, mostly related to the presence of liquid water, contribute to the alteration of the original chemical composition of the air inclusions in polar ice."

https://agw-heretic.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-ice-core-samples-are-unreliable.html

"To the dismay of Al Gore, the answer is that this graph doesn't prove at all that CO2 has any effect on the global temperature. All it says is that there is some equilibrium between dissolved CO2 and atmospheric CO2, an equilibrium which depends on the temperature. Of course, the temperature itself can depend on a dozen different factors, including CO2, but just the CO2 / temperature correlation by itself doesn't tell you the strength of the CO2→ΔT link. It doesn't even tell you the sign."

http://www.sciencebits.com/IceCoreTruth/


Again, thanks for proving this isn't an issue...

NASA is wrong, but heretic blogspot and some website developed by a theoretical physicist is the truth lol. You crack my shit up

[xu82]

Global warming is the new Covid!


…….or, the old global warming. Round and round we go!

[XU_Lou]

Lou cracks me up. "he thinks for himself" lol funniest thing i have ever heard. Next he is going to tell me how wrong I was about Steele and how he took us to the second weekend of the tournament....remember that one, Lou? Wrong again..shocking

Congrats Ville! You got your one victory over the last 2 years!! How many times are you going to spike the football on this, and on how many different threads on this board?

You may want to call 1-800-668-6868

[XU_Lou]

I use Scientific American and NASA...and you quote the global warming heretic blogspot?

I'll take door #1 Alex.

Yes we're in a warming cycle, of which there have been many in the past as noted. We're just increasing far faster than recorded in the past.

Not according to the graph you posted - you might want to look at the most recent spike versus the last several...

[xuphan]

NASA is wrong, but heretic blogspot and some website developed by a theoretical physicist is the truth lol. You crack my shit up

So you are saying that NASA is more reputable than heretic blogspot and science bits?

[Xville]

Congrats Ville! You got your one victory over the last 2 years!! How many times are you going to spike the football on this, and on how many different threads on this board?

You may want to call 1-800-668-6868

Wait wait wait… so you are admitting you were wrong? Miracles really do exist!

Better than batting zero lyin lou. Isn’t it about time you get sent to detention?

[XU_Lou]

With the Earth in the process of baking, our polar caps melting, and the prospect of rising sea levels destroying coastal areas worldwide, I wonder why Barrack Obama would buy a multi-million dollar home on Martha's Vineyard? Literally just a few feet from the ocean!

I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that he didn't wear a mask at his big birthday bash last year? Or, for that matter, it seems that none of the big Democrat proponents of Covid lockdowns and masks seemed to have obeyed their own edicts. I wonder if these are all related in some way. Is there a common thread in all these?

[xuphan]

With the Earth in the process of baking, our polar caps melting, and the prospect of rising sea levels destroying coastal areas worldwide, I wonder why Barrack Obama would buy a multi-million dollar home on Martha's Vineyard? Literally just a few feet from the ocean!

I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that he didn't wear a mask at his big birthday bash last year? Or, for that matter, it seems that none of the big Democrat proponents of Covid lockdowns and masks seemed to have obeyed their own edicts. I wonder if these are all related in some way. Is there a common thread in all these?

Barrack Obama would buy a multimillion dollar home on Martha’s Vineyard because he can. He can also afford to modify the house if coastal areas become oceans from rising sea levels.

Your last paragraph strikes a nerve with me. Living in Ohio, Mike DeWine (a Republican if you don’t know) imposed some of the strictest Covid Lockdown measures in the country. This caused friends of mine to lose their jobs and lose their businesses. The lockdown and mask mandates proposed by this Republican were pointless and caused economic loses to this state. While more Democrats seemed to support these measurements there were also republicans who supported it as well. Your last paragraph shows you don’t think for yourself and are addicted to extreme right wing media. Saying COVID lockdown was solely a left wing agenda is just not true.

[XU_Lou]

Barrack Obama would buy a multimillion dollar home on Martha’s Vineyard because he can. He can also afford to modify the house if coastal areas become oceans from rising sea levels.

Your last paragraph strikes a nerve with me. Living in Ohio, Mike DeWine (a Republican if you don’t know) imposed some of the strictest Covid Lockdown measures in the country. This caused friends of mine to lose their jobs and lose their businesses. The lockdown and mask mandates proposed by this Republican were pointless and caused economic loses to this state. While more Democrats seemed to support these measurements there were also republicans who supported it as well. Your last paragraph shows you don’t think for yourself and are addicted to extreme right wing media. Saying COVID lockdown was solely a left wing agenda is just not true.

"Your last paragraph strikes a nerve with me." Get over it....

"imposed some of the strictest Covid Lockdown measures in the country" false...

"This caused friends of mine to lose their jobs and lose their businesses." Try living in CA, OR, WA, NY, MD, RI, CT, MA, NJ or IL.... would've been a lot worse.

"While more Democrats seemed to support these measurements" really, you think????

"extreme" is this your favorite word? Are you going for some kind of record for typing that in one thread, or do you have a limited vocabulary?

[xuphan]

"Your last paragraph strikes a nerve with me." Get over it....

"imposed some of the strictest Covid Lockdown measures in the country" false...

"This caused friends of mine to lose their jobs and lose their businesses." Try living in CA, OR, WA, NY, MD, RI, CT, MA, NJ or IL.... would've been a lot worse.

"While more Democrats seemed to support these measurements" really, you think????

"extreme" is this your favorite word? Are you going for some kind of record for typing that in one thread, or do you have a limited vocabulary?

Wow, I feel sorry for you Lou. You say you “think for yourself” yet you communicate the exact propaganda that I hear time and again from the extreme right wing agenda. You let extreme right wing media think for you. Nothing you post shows that you think for yourself. You say you “do your own research” yet you are not objective in any conversation. Won’t take information that goes against your extreme right wing views by calling it false even though you quote someones blog as the truth. I mean how does it feel being a puppet for the extreme right wing propaganda? Having the Democratic Party live rent free in your head? You are a fraud who brings nothing to the table except to utter the sound baa. How does it feel to be owned by the extreme right wing agenda Lou? A political party owns you. That’s scary. They own you and you aren’t even smart enough to understand that. I find it hard to believe you attended Xavier let alone graduated from here. You are a sheep for the extreme right wing agenda. Get over it and I will call you an extremist until you prove otherwise. Don’t like it, don’t respond to my post you sheep. Let me translate this in sheep so you understand Lou. Baa Baa Baa Baa!

[XU_Lou]

Wow, I feel sorry for you Lou. You say you “think for yourself” yet you communicate the exact propaganda that I hear time and again from the extreme right wing agenda. You let extreme right wing media think for you. Nothing you post shows that you think for yourself. You say you “do your own research” yet you are not objective in any conversation. Won’t take information that goes against your extreme right wing views by calling it false even though you quote someones blog as the truth. I mean how does it feel being a puppet for the extreme right wing propaganda? Having the Democratic Party live rent free in your head? You are a fraud who brings nothing to the table except to utter the sound baa. How does it feel to be owned by the extreme right wing agenda Lou? A political party owns you. That’s scary. They own you and you aren’t even smart enough to understand that. I find it hard to believe you attended Xavier let alone graduated from here. You are a sheep for the extreme right wing agenda. Get over it and I will call you an extremist until you prove otherwise. Don’t like it, don’t respond to my post you sheep. Let me translate this in sheep so you understand Lou. Baa Baa Baa Baa!.

[Masterofreality]

Will somebody please notify me if somebody changes anyone else’s mind here? That would be a monumental occasion!

Forget changing anyone in the Environment Panic Porn World’s “mind”. It’s all about the destruction of the American economy and reasonable way of life by horrible policies that do nothing to change the environmental situation-except maybe worse for the mineral strip mining, but brings on horrific inflation, energy shortages and unreliable supply and dependence on other countries when the US could be self sufficient with lower costs. I for one do not want Huge Windmills installed in Lake Erie like they are discussing. Talk about vision pollution and a shipping hazard! What a cockamamie idea.
How’s this working out for everybody? Gas at $4-$5 a gallon and still buying oil from Russia!! Hooray!
By the way Xville. Obama buying an oceanfront house “because he can” doesn’t answer the hypocrisy of the environmental ocean rising debate. Will it or won’t it? Truth or lie? Barry doesn’t seem too concerned about it. And, Ha!! Good luck with that idea of “ocean proofing” you’re property.
The Atlantic Ocean ain’t the Ohio River that you can just dam up with a concrete wall.
A ludicrous rationalization.

[Xuperman]

Why don't you knuckleheads stop with this circular pissing match and realize this is the ONLY solution.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nuclear-power-could-transform-the-us-energy-grid-e2-80-94-but-decades-of-roadblocks-and-rising-prices-are-standing-in-the-way/ar-AAVYLFS?ocid=uxbndlbing

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/08/bill-gates-terrapower-is-building-next-generation-nuclear-power.html

Liquid sodium cooling technology is a virtual "checkmate" vs all other sources of energy combined.

Yes, fossil fuels are dirty pollutants. However, where would we be without them? It fueled global advances and quality of life at warp speed, but it looks to be of little relevance, say 50 years from now.

Mr. Sun emits a mind blowing amount of power, but current SOLAR technology is not practical for a variety of reasons....horse and buggy thinking IMO.

WIND is the worst and almost laughable. I read one study that the cost of labor and the ENERGY used to source materials, manufacture, transport, construct and maintain 1 turbine tower is a very minimal energy net gain over the lifetime of the tower.

Nuclear WILL win out in the end. Would be the predominant energy source already, but of course the Big Oil/Gas/Coal lobby has effectively prevented that for now.

[Masterofreality]

I agree with Xuperman’s post above. EXCEPT for the statement of the Big Oil/Coal lobby preventing it.
Fact is that First Energy Corp operates nuclear plants up here in Northern Ohio and they had a huge campaign a few years ago to get bills passed to keep them open. Further nuclear expansion could end the need for coal, but a bunch of Environmenmental Panic Porners have demonstrated loudly against that plan
Even Dementia Joe seemingly supports it now.

[Xuperman]

I agree with Xuperman’s post above.
However, it’s not Big Oil that is the limiting factor. The Dems have basically shut down all possibilities to use it.
Even Europe uses it, but it’s not suitable for Dementia Joe.

The Big Oil/Coal lobby doesn't fear wind/solar. They know there is no practical way to power this society with it, so they don't waste much time/money fighting it. However, they fear Nuclear so they actively influence policy decisions and regulation to stifle the Nuclear sector through campaign donations and other political graft.....Dems are certainly not immune.

[Xuperman]

I agree with Xuperman’s post above. EXCEPT for the statement of the Big Oil/Coal lobby preventing it.
Fact is that First Energy Corp operates nuclear plants up here in Northern Ohio and they had a huge campaign a few years ago to get bills passed to keep them open. Further nuclear expansion could end the need for coal, but a bunch of Environmenmental Panic Porners have demonstrated loudly against that plan
Even Dementia Joe seemingly supports it now.

Ok, they see a bridge to transition in the future. I was referring to Bill Gates as a player in the article I posted. Pretty sure they are not crazy about his Terrapower technology crashing the party.

[Masterofreality]

Sooo, this is what “fighting Climate Change” looks like. When you go into it out of control full bore with zero prior planning or recognizing the downsides, you get this iish.

Gas prices have steadily marched higher, contributing to inflationary pressures seen across the economy. The national average for a gallon of regular gasoline hit a record $4.567 on Wednesday, according to AAA. Prices are 48 cents more than a month ago, and $1.52 more than what consumers paid last year.
Every single state is now averaging above $4 per gallon, with some states paying much more. In California, the statewide average has crossed $6.
This has affected inflation (along with stupid unneeded stimulus spending) and the bottom lines of almost every business, especially retailers.

Oh, and for the Biden “Buy an Electric Car” Crowd, per CNBC: “ EV battery costs could spike 22% by 2026 as raw material shortages drag on”. YEAH!!! What a solution! The Greens planned this as well as Biden planned the Afghan withdrawal.

The Biden Administration is an amazing Circle of Incompetence.
Is the air cleaner yet and where is that heat wave & rising oceans? My furnace is still clicking on.

[XU 87]

The left refuses to recognize that just because they want to go green, that doesn't then mean you can just magically go green. Some day we probably will go entirely green, when we have the technology and infrastructure to do so. But we're not even close to that right now.

Instead we unilaterally cut back on US energy production to appease the environmentalists, get much higher energy prices as a result, and then try to deal with this self-made problem with the Biden administration begging the likes of Venezuela and Iran to send us oil.

[Masterofreality]

The left refuses to recognize that just because they want to go green, that doesn't then mean you can just magically go green. Some day we probably will go entirely green, when we have the technology and infrastructure to do so. But we're not even close to that right now.

Instead we unilaterally cut back on US energy production to appease the environmentalists, get much higher energy prices as a result, and then try to deal with this self-made problem with the Biden administration begging the likes of Venezuela and Iran to send us oil.

Begging Authoritarian and Leftist countries to pump more oil is sure a winning strategy!!!!!!

[XU 87]

Begging Authoritarian and Leftist countries to pump more oil is sure a winning strategy!!!!!!

The talks are as follows from the Biden administration:

"We won't allow enough energy production because it hurts the environment, but you corrupt countries, that have far less environmental standards than we do, will you produce more and sell it to us?"

Absolutely incredible.

[UCGRAD4X]

It will be a long transition. In the meantime, we are not going to just stop using carbon based fuels just because some wish it to be so. Electricity for your precious cars also come from predominantly carbon based fuels. Production, installation and maintenance of wind turbines uses more energy than they produce. Batteries are not produced out of thin air and are also an environmental hazard. I hope we get there eventually, but in the meantime, the economic benefits from all of these fuel sources should benefit our ailing country so that we can afford other programs such as developing alternative energy sources.

[Masterofreality]

The talks are as follows from the Biden administration:

"We won't allow enough energy production because it hurts the environment, but you corrupt countries, that have far less environmental standards than we do, will you produce more and sell it to us?"

Absolutely incredible.

I mean, if you were purposefully undermining the USA, you couldn’t do it much better than this.

[bobbiemcgee]

88 yesterday, 7" inches of snow on way today. 2 feet in mtns.

[Strange Brew]

88 yesterday, 7" inches of snow on way today. 2 feet in mtns.

Springtime in CO....:). Looking at maybe a foot down here.

[XU 87]

88 yesterday, 7" inches of snow on way today. 2 feet in mtns.

It is well know that global warming is causing global cooling.

[Masterofreality]

What you are seeing in The Netherlands (farmer revolt) Sri Lanka (public revolt), food shortages due to environmentalists crushing chemical fertilizers and Inflation in the US from ridiculous energy policy is what you get when you let “Greens” run amok over a “global warming” agenda. Insanity rules.
Thank Gawd for Joe Manchin who has put a kibosh on this nonsense.
This is exactly what I’ve been warning about for 9 years.
Get it yet????

[JTG]

What you are seeing in The Netherlands (farmer revolt) Sri Lanka (public revolt), food shortages due to environmentalists crushing chemical fertilizers and Inflation in the US from ridiculous energy policy is what you get when you let “Greens” run amok over a “global warming” agenda. Insanity rules.
Thank Gawd for Joe Manchin who has put a kibosh on this nonsense.
This is exactly what I’ve been warning about for 9 years.
Get it yet????

Bingo. First thing Biden does is shuts down the Pipeline and goes to war on fracking. The oil companies' hands are tied, supply goes down prices go way up, and this goof wants to ask the Arabs for oil. Hey Dumbo, we have loads of oil, all we have to do is get it out of the ground. Don't base your energy policy on what a Puerto Rican barmaid from NY thinks. People like her have no concept of how 90% of the country get to work and elsewhere every day. They HAVE to get in a car or truck and drive. The vast majority, and especially the Dem constituents don't have access to a subway or train. And they sure as hell can't afford a $50-60k electric vehicle. But they can get by just fine on a moderately priced used vehicle that runs on gasoline, that we have plenty of.

[paulxu]

Oh, I think they are doing just fine. Maybe they should thank Biden. (while you pay for this at the pump)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2022/05/07/oil-company-record-profits-2022/9686761002/

[Strange Brew]

Oh, I think they are doing just fine. Maybe they should thank Biden. (while you pay for this at the pump)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2022/05/07/oil-company-record-profits-2022/9686761002/

Thanks Paul.

Do you think companies should make money or should they operate “for our democracy”?

Newsflash Paul, oil demand is pretty inelastic so if you limit supply and the price goes up at the same operating expense you get record profits.

[xuphan]

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-issues-red-alert-warning-over-soaring-temperatures-2022-07-15/

[Muskie in dayton]

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-issues-red-alert-warning-over-soaring-temperatures-2022-07-15/
We’ll pick me up off the floor. It’s really hot in the dead of summer.

[paulxu]

I think they should make money.
I haven't been in any lines at the pump in years, so I'm thinking there isn't much of a supply problem at this time.
I think it's great that some politicians have got people worried about oil companies.
The oil companies think it's great also. They especially like record profits and tax payer subsidies.
PT Barnum also thinks these things are wonderful.

[Strange Brew]

I think they should make money.
I haven't been in any lines at the pump in years, so I'm thinking there isn't much of a supply problem at this time.
I think it's great that some politicians have got people worried about oil companies.
The oil companies think it's great also. They especially like record profits and tax payer subsidies.
PT Barnum also thinks these things are wonderful.

I'm not worried about oil companies. I'm worried about intentionally choked domestic production leading to higher prices at the pump. Which cause higher prices for everything that is transported.

[Xuperman]

Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

https://news.yahoo.com/california-went-big-rooftop-solar-120043034.html

Like most progressive ideas on a range of issues, they just want to avoid guilt and feel good without considering long term impact.

[UCGRAD4X]

Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

https://news.yahoo.com/california-went-big-rooftop-solar-120043034.html

Like most progressive ideas on a range of issues, they just want to avoid guilt and feel good without considering long term impact.

It also sounds as if it takes quite a bit of energy to recycle as well.

[Xuperman]

It also sounds as if it takes quite a bit of energy to recycle as well.

No doubt,
So the FOSSIL FUEL energy it takes to source/transport the materials, manufacture/transport the panels, transport/install the panels, remove/transport/recycle them once spent, is supposed to end up a huge net energy gain?

Your average NEW GREEN DEAL supporters are nothing more than useful idiots....the politicians orchestrating this nonsense are basically new age Snake Oil salesmen.

[XU_Lou]

Fundamentally, as I've said many times, the data at the very foundation of the global warming/climate change hoax is flawed...very flawed:

A study that investigated the placement of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) temperature stations found that 96 percent of the facilities used to measure heat failed to meet the agency’s own “uncorrupted placement” standards:

"This report examines the accuracy and reliability of U.S. temperature stations from which official temperature
records are reported, following up from a March 2009 study, titled “Is the U.S. Surface Temperature Record
Reliable?”1The original report found the ground-based system for measuring surface temperatures in the
United States was biased by asphalt, machinery, and other heat-producing, heat-trapping, or heat-accentuating
objects located near many official temperature stations and their sensory equipment. The new study reexamines
these temperature stations and equipment to determine whether there remains flaws in the official U.S. surface
temperature record. This report finds approximately 96 percent of U.S. temperature stations fail to meet what
the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) considers to be “acceptable,” uncorrupted
placement. These findings strongly undermine the legitimacy and the magnitude of the official consensus on
long-term climate warming trends."

https://www.heartland.org/_template-assets/documents/publications/2022_Surface_Station_Report.pdf

We are about to spend $$$$billions MORE on a "problem" that is supposedly projected to increase the earth's temperature by ONLY 1 degree over the next 100 years. For what?? China continues to open coal-powered plants. They are projected to add an additional 150 gigawatts of coal-fired power into operation by 2026!! What Biden and the Dems are proposing will do NOTHING - NOTHING - to stop or diminish "global warming" in anyway. Oh, the Biden crime family and John Kerry will certainly get richer, but for the rest of America, your goals and dreams are freaking over!

The Democrats freaking lied to you about Russia-gate and Covid, why in the hell would you ever believe these corrupt MFers are telling the truth about GW??

[bobbiemcgee]

Republicans lied on the burn pit bill.screwing veterans ...everybody lies about everything which is why congress has a 7% approval rating.

[XU_Lou]

Republicans lied on the burn pit bill.screwing veterans ...everybody lies about everything which is why congress has a 7% approval rating.

mountains versus mole hills.... do you have a sense of proportion?

Edit: at least you agree with me that Russiagate, Covid and "Climate Change" are all hoaxes...

[xuphan]

Republicans lied on the burn pit bill.screwing veterans ...everybody lies about everything which is why congress has a 7% approval rating.

So why does this congress who have such a low approval rating continue to be re-elected? Why do Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumar, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Grahams of the world continue to be re-elected when their approval rating is so low?

[XU_Lou]

So why does this congress who have such a low approval rating continue to be re-elected? Why do Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumar, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Grahams of the world continue to be re-elected when their approval rating is so low?

great question - all 4 need to go

[XU_Lou]

The world, apparently, is warming faster than the rest of the world!!

You can't make this shit up. Who in the hell believes any of this crap? These are all actual headlines:

South pole warming three times faster than rest of the world: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/30/south-pole-warming-three-times-faster-than-rest-of-the-world-our-research-shows

The Arctic is warming four times faster than the rest of the world: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Africa warming faster than rest of world: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/africa/africa-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-ipcc-sixth-assessment-report-78424

Europe is warming faster than the rest of the world and scientists are puzzled: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Israel warming up almost twice as fast as rest of world: https://www.ynetnews.com/environment/article/rjdyrxt8f

Russia is 'warming 2.5 times quicker' than the rest of the world: https://theworld.org/stories/2015-12-25/russia-warming-25-times-quicker-rest-world

Canada is getting warmer faster than the rest of the world: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-newsletter-stopping-a-hurricane-canada-getting-warmer-1.5084433

Mexico is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.sandiegored.com/en/news/200115/Mexico-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet-they-say

Finland is warming faster than the rest of the world: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/world-news/finland-in-the-world-press/13155-finland-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-world.html

Australia warming faster than world: https://www.ft.com/content/d15bc650-9b0c-11db-aa70-0000779e2340

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-environment-west/u-s-west-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-study-idUSN2728295220080328

New England is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/30/science/new-england-is-warming-faster-than-rest-planet-new-study-finds/

Great Lakes states are warming faster than the rest of the country: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/03/21/climate-change-great-lakes-region-warming-faster-than-rest-u-s/3229219002/

[bjf123]

So why does this congress who have such a low approval rating continue to be re-elected? Why do Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumar, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Grahams of the world continue to be re-elected when their approval rating is so low?

That’s easy. The majority of the voters in those states won’t vote for a candidate from the other party, which they’d have to do.


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[xu82]

A page full of links is so 2020. :-)

[Strange Brew]

A page full of links is so 2020. :-)

Actually believing this is real is so 2010. :)

[xuphan]

That’s easy. The majority of the voters in those states won’t vote for a candidate from the other party, which they’d have to do.


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Exactly! The Democratic and Republican parties are the worse lobbyists out there.

[Masterofreality]

And here we go! The Climate money derby has now begun!
What I’ve been warning about for 9 years is becoming reality. The Dems have passed a boondoggle of a “Climate” bill that is virtue signaling at its best but will do almost zero to help the “Climate”. It’s sure gonna raise ALL of your energy costs though and will be inflationary as hell. And who knows what’s gonna happen to farming as proven in Holland and Sri Lanka.
Hold on to your pocketbooks!
From the Wall Street Journal this morning:
“ Our Wall Street Journal contributor Bjorn Lomborg looked at the Rhodium Group estimate for CO2 emissions reductions from Schumer-Manchin policies. He then plugged them into the United Nations climate model to measure the impact on global temperature by 2100. He finds the bill will reduce the estimated global temperature rise at the end of this century by all of 0.028 degrees Fahrenheit in the optimistic case. In the pessimistic case, the temperature difference will be 0.0009 degrees Fahrenheit.
In other words, the climate provisions in this ballyhooed legislation will have no notable impact on the climate.”

This isn’t surprising. No matter what the U.S. does to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions, it will be dwarfed by what the rest of the world does. China, India and Africa aren’t about to stop burning fossil fuels as they develop, and China is sprinting ahead to build huge new coal capacity despite its pledge to start reducing emissions after 2030.


So, just as I’ve said for years. We are cutting our own throats economically and competitively over NOTHING!
Way to go virtue signalers! Hope my grandkids can get jobs in 20 years.

[Masterofreality]

And now those “Scientists” who brought you the Global Warming “Crisis” is telling us that Rainwater is not safe to drink”!!
Yeah!! SCIENCE!!

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/08/04/rainwater-everywhere-on-earth-unsafe-to-drink-due-to-forever-chemicals-study-finds

[X-man]

And here we go! The Climate money derby has now begun!
What I’ve been warning about for 9 years is becoming reality. The Dems have passed a boondoggle of a “Climate” bill that is virtue signaling at its best but will do almost zero to help the “Climate”. It’s sure gonna raise ALL of your energy costs though and will be inflationary as hell. And who knows what’s gonna happen to farming as proven in Holland and Sri Lanka.
Hold on to your pocketbooks!
From the Wall Street Journal this morning:
“ Our Wall Street Journal contributor Bjorn Lomborg looked at the Rhodium Group estimate for CO2 emissions reductions from Schumer-Manchin policies. He then plugged them into the United Nations climate model to measure the impact on global temperature by 2100. He finds the bill will reduce the estimated global temperature rise at the end of this century by all of 0.028 degrees Fahrenheit in the optimistic case. In the pessimistic case, the temperature difference will be 0.0009 degrees Fahrenheit.
In other words, the climate provisions in this ballyhooed legislation will have no notable impact on the climate.”

This isn’t surprising. No matter what the U.S. does to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions, it will be dwarfed by what the rest of the world does. China, India and Africa aren’t about to stop burning fossil fuels as they develop, and China is sprinting ahead to build huge new coal capacity despite its pledge to start reducing emissions after 2030.


So, just as I’ve said for years. We are cutting our own throats economically and competitively over NOTHING!
Way to go virtue signalers! Hope my grandkids can get jobs in 20 years.

Wait a second! You have repeatedly claimed that the modelers don't know anything. Now you're going to believe the UN climate model because it says something you like??? What hypocrisy.

[Masterofreality]

Wait a second! You have repeatedly claimed that the modelers don't know anything. Now you're going to believe the UN climate model because it says something you like??? What hypocrisy.

Nope!
Just quoting the Wall Street Journal. The Journal is turning the tables on what the UN keeps claiming. I guess you can’t see that.
I still don’t believe models. The temperature was probably going to actually drop and not go up at all without any action. Don’t you know we’re in a New Ice Age?”
But even the alleged “infallible models” that all you Greenies are relying on say this bloated bill is bullshit.
Try again.

[X-man]

Nope!
Just quoting the Wall Street Journal. The Journal is turning the tables on what the UN keeps claiming. I guess you can’t see that.
I still don’t believe models. The temperature was probably going to actually drop and not go up at all without any action. Don’t you know we’re in a New Ice Age?”
But even the alleged “infallible models” that all you Greenies are relying on say this bloated bill is bullshit.
Try again.

But your words say otherwise. From your prior post: "So, just as I’ve said for years. We are cutting our own throats economically and competitively over NOTHING!" Can't have it both ways.

[Masterofreality]

But your words say otherwise. From your prior post: "So, just as I’ve said for years. We are cutting our own throats economically and competitively over NOTHING!" Can't have it both ways.

What the hell are you talking about? We are cutting our own throats over nothing while China just goes blithely along, which, by the way, WE should be doing. Been totally consistent that this hoax is bullshit and America is wasting money over a mirage, plus I’ve said for years to look at China, India and the Pacific Basin if you want to point a finger and IF you believe in a Climate Crisis, which I don’t.
You make zero sense.

[noteggs]

What the hell are you talking about? We are cutting our own throats over nothing while China just goes blithely along, which, by the way, WE should be doing. Been totally consistent that this hoax is bullshit and America is wasting money over a mirage, plus I’ve said for years to look at China, India and the Pacific Basin if you want to point a finger and IF you believe in a Climate Crisis, which I don’t.
You make zero sense.

Interesting WSJ article. If the optimistic estimate becomes reality (reduction in temperature), that means we would spend roughly a billion dollars for every .00007 degrees reduced. Doesn’t seem like a good ROI for the American people…

[XU_Lou]

I can't believe anyone is still falling for this crap. Someone is clearly lying. All you need to do is look at these recent headlines below. Only one of these reports can be true. Either the media is lying, the models are lying, the scientists who created the models are lying, or the data used to create these models is garbage:


South pole warming three times faster than rest of the world: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/30/south-pole-warming-three-times-faster-than-rest-of-the-world-our-research-shows

The Arctic is warming four times faster than the rest of the world: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Africa warming faster than rest of world: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/africa/africa-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-ipcc-sixth-assessment-report-78424

Europe is warming faster than the rest of the world and scientists are puzzled: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Israel warming up almost twice as fast as rest of world: https://www.ynetnews.com/environment/article/rjdyrxt8f

Russia is 'warming 2.5 times quicker' than the rest of the world: https://theworld.org/stories/2015-12-25/russia-warming-25-times-quicker-rest-world

Canada is getting warmer faster than the rest of the world: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-newsletter-stopping-a-hurricane-canada-getting-warmer-1.5084433

Mexico is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.sandiegored.com/en/news/200115/Mexico-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet-they-say

Finland is warming faster than the rest of the world: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/world-news/finland-in-the-world-press/13155-finland-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-world.html

Australia warming faster than world: https://www.ft.com/content/d15bc650-9b0c-11db-aa70-0000779e2340

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-environment-west/u-s-west-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-study-idUSN2728295220080328

New England is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/30/science/new-england-is-warming-faster-than-rest-planet-new-study-finds/

Great Lakes states are warming faster than the rest of the country: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/03/21/climate-change-great-lakes-region-warming-faster-than-rest-u-s/3229219002/

[X-man]

What the hell are you talking about? We are cutting our own throats over nothing while China just goes blithely along, which, by the way, WE should be doing. Been totally consistent that this hoax is bullshit and America is wasting money over a mirage, plus I’ve said for years to look at China, India and the Pacific Basin if you want to point a finger and IF you believe in a Climate Crisis, which I don’t.
You make zero sense.

Whatever. You appear to seriously need to brush up on your logic and reading comprehension skills.

[xuphan]

Whatever. You appear to seriously need to brush up on your logic and reading comprehension skills.

There will always be people who don’t believe certain things exist. We just saw Alex Jones believe that the Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax created by actors. Just the world we live in.

[X-man]

There will always be people who don’t believe certain things exist. We just saw Alex Jones believe that the Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax created by actors. Just the world we live in.

You also need help with logic and reading comprehension. This discussion has nothing to do with MOR's views on climate change. They well known, set in stone, and curiously more certain than scientists are about what's happening. Rather this discussion is about MOR's hypocrisy in citing UN modeling forecasts to support his views while incessantly denigrating these same models when they forecast something he doesn't believe.

[Strange Brew]

You also need help with logic and reading comprehension. This discussion has nothing to do with MOR's views on climate change. They well known, set in stone, and curiously more certain than scientists are about what's happening. Rather this discussion is about MOR's hypocrisy in citing UN modeling forecasts to support his views while incessantly denigrating these same models when they forecast something he doesn't believe.

Do you support the models MOR cited that you believe he now supports?

[X-man]

Do you support the models MOR cited that you believe he now supports?

I have a great deal of faith in the IPCC reports and the modeling that they are based upon. And so if the climate effect is as small as indicated by the models, that calls into question the value of the legislation. My suspicion is that the larger effect will occur because the US efforts will have positive spillover effects on other countries. But that’s purely speculation on my part.

[Strange Brew]

I have a great deal of faith in the IPCC reports and the modeling that they are based upon. And so if the climate effect is as small as indicated by the models, that calls into question the value of the legislation. My suspicion is that the larger effect will occur because the US efforts will have positive spillover effects on other countries. But that’s purely speculation on my part.

Fair, I don’t share your faith in developing nations for follow suit. Esp China.

[X-man]

Fair, I don’t share your faith in developing nations for follow suit. Esp China.

Hope, not faith. Especially with China.

[Masterofreality]

I have a great deal of faith in the IPCC reports and the modeling that they are based upon. And so if the climate effect is as small as indicated by the models, that calls into question the value of the legislation. My suspicion is that the larger effect will occur because the US efforts will have positive spillover effects on other countries. But that’s purely speculation on my part.

None of those models have been any where near accurate so far.
I quoted a Wall Street Journal article that was pointing out the huge cost to the economy due to virtue signaling.
Guess what. Summer is hot as it always is, Winter is cold like it always is. Leaves appear and then fall when they should.
Still waiting for palm trees to sprout on Lake Erie.
You want hypocrisy? John Kerry’s & Obama’s coastal compounds, the private jets and multiple fossil fuel powered cars owned by those elites who are so concerned about “Climate”.
Nice racket, but keep showing up at stupid rallies that accomplish nothing, but convince libs to print more money for unworkable “solutions”.
Yeah. The models suck and so does throwing away trillions.
Meanwhile China & India are building more coal plants, developing countries will still use child labor and environmentally terrible procedures to extract the rare earth materials that the virtue signallers want and they will use the cheapest energy possible to develop their economies.
Those are the inconvenient facts.
Enjoy that .0002 of a degree reduction since YOU believe in models

[paulxu]

Yikes!!


https://youtu.be/qi6n_-wB154

[94GRAD]

Yikes!!


https://youtu.be/qi6n_-wB154

That was from 2008, no way they would shoot that commercial now.

[paulxu]

That was from 2008, no way they would shoot that commercial now.

In today's climate they would probably shoot each other.

[Lamont Sanford]

In today's climate they would probably shoot each other.

All Nancy would have to do is breathe on Newt to kill him. Her breath is 105 proof!

[Masterofreality]

And now this Bullshit has come to the North Coast.
Pollution? Yeah. Horrible Vision Pollution.
Screw up marine wildlife? Yup
Mess up Fishing patterns and possibly cause a wildlife disaster? Yessir!!
There is a reason why in Canada across Lake Erie all of their wind turbines are on dry land. This Lake Erie windmill plan is horrendous.
From the Cleveland Plain Dealer:
“ Wind turbines: The Ohio Supreme Court on Wednesday greenlighted plans to construct North America's first freshwater, offshore wind turbine facility off the Lake Erie coast, near Cleveland. Laura Hancock reports the Icebreaker project proposes building six turbines expected to generate 20.7 megawatts of electricity, with a potential to expand if successful.”

Lunacy. Humans screwing around with the ecosystem. What could go wrong??

[XU 87]

Climate change, formerly known as global warming, is just more liberal nonsense- "It's happening because we say it's happening", and ""It will be catastrophic if we don't take extreme measures". And the liberals keep saying this, and the media keeps reporting it, despite the fact that their predictions of dire consequences have never come true. Instead, the liberals and the media move the goal posts and say, "We didn't mean 2016. We meant 2026." Even worse, because there was no global warming going on, they had to change the name to "climate change". That way any event whatsoever-warm, cold, rain, snow, drought or hurricane- is caused due to climate change. If it's cold- we need to get rid of fossil fuels. If it's warm- same remedy. It's all nonsense.

And here's a good article which discusses the nonsense and irrationality of the climate activists:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/08/11/in_netherlands_and_globally_greens_face_trouble_ke eping_farmers_down_on_the_farm_847232.html

[Masterofreality]

Climate change, formerly known as global warming, is just more liberal nonsense- "It's happening because we say it's happening", and ""It will be catastrophic if we don't take extreme measures". And the liberals keep saying this, and the media keeps reporting it, despite the fact that their predictions of dire consequences have never come true. Instead, the liberals and the media move the goal posts and say, "We didn't mean 2016. We meant 2026." Even worse, because there was no global warming going on, they had to change the name to "climate change". That way any event whatsoever-warm, cold, rain, snow drought or hurricane- is caused due to climate change. If it's cold- we need to get rid of fossil fuels. If it's warm- same remedy. It's all nonsense.

I have one more question for those who want to do away with fossil fuel entirely.
What will you use to pave roads and maintain them economically?
Asphalt and tar are extracted from petroleum and coal. I guess you could go 100% concrete but that is highly expensive and would require big tax increases for “Infrastructure” expense. Plus the production process for cement/concrete produces large volumes of greenhouse gas emissions, leading to net 8% of global emissions. Other environmental concerns include widespread illegal sand mining, impacts on the surrounding environment such as increased surface runoff or urban heat island effect, and potential public health implications from toxic ingredients.
The “Kill Carbon” idiots have zero idea what the world would look like if that occurred. Electric cars that are produced from environmentally damaging rare earth material mining still need roads to drive on.
Insanity.

[JTG]

It could easily be argued that the Liberal war against fossil fuel is the root cause of the current inflation mess. Bozo Joe immediately upon taking office cuts off pipeline plans, and new drilling and production. We were pretty much energy independent and that kept the cost of fuel low, which kept transportation costs low. The price of fuel doubles, which means the cost of transporting goods doubles, which leads to higher prices, which leads to inflation.
The Dems also had a hand in Russia's attack on Ukraine. Do you think Russia would have had the balls for the invasion if the US was going full bore with oil production? Hell no, because they are partially financing the war by holding parts of Europe hostage with oil which the Europeans could have purchased from the US pre Biden.
So the Green New Deal has way more serious consequences than reducing the global temperature a millionth of a degree over the next 50 years. They're idiots and it's infuriating.

[XU 87]

The Russian/Ukraine war is showing how foolish these greens are- Russia is financing the war via gas sent to Europe. Europe needs the gas because they want to go green (but obviously can't) and won't produce their own energy. So they buy it from a much less environmentally sound country run by a brutal dictator. But the left- wing greens don't care.

They just want to live in their fantasy land that if you want to go green, you can. It's that simple in their minds, regardless of the actual consequences.

[bobbiemcgee]

We could use a little more H2O out here in the west:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/nasa-images-lake-mead-drought

[Masterofreality]

We could use a little more H2O out here in the west:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/nasa-images-lake-mead-drought

Guess what? We got all the water you need over here in the Grest Lakes buddy. All you gotta do is PAY for it.
Not our fault that people want to live in an arid desert then scarf up all the water out of a river and an eco system that was never designed to support it
But blame a carbon footprint, I guess..

[bobbiemcgee]

Not worried here in CO. We have the source.

[X-band '01]

Guess what? We got all the water you need over here in the Grest Lakes buddy. All you gotta do is PAY for it.
Not our fault that people want to live in an arid desert then scarf up all the water out of a river and an eco system that was never designed to support it
But blame a carbon footprint, I guess..

And the folks in Toledo will even throw in algae blooms for free!

[Strange Brew]

We could use a little more H2O out here in the west:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/nasa-images-lake-mead-drought

You’re on the East side of the divide and get your water first. :)

Edit: Sorry, jumped the shark and didn’t see your next post.

[XU_Lou]

1107 scientists and scholars: "There is no climate emergency"

Climate science should be less political, while climate policies should be more
scientific. Scientists should openly address uncertainties and exaggerations in
their predictions of global warming, while politicians should dispassionately
count the real costs as well as the imagined benefits of their policy measures.

Natural as well as anthropogenic factors cause warming
The geological archive reveals that Earth’s climate has varied as long as the
planet has existed, with natural cold and warm phases. The Little Ice Age
ended as recently as 1850. Therefore, it is no surprise that we now are experiencing a period of warming.

Warming is far slower than predicted
The world has warmed significantly less than predicted by IPCC on the basis
of modeled anthropogenic forcing. The gap between the real world and the
modeled world tells us that we are far from understanding climate change.

Climate policy relies on inadequate models
Climate models have many shortcomings and are not remotely plausible as
policy tools. They do not only exaggerate the effect of greenhouse gases, they
also ignore the fact that enriching the atmosphere with CO2 is beneficial.

CO2 is plant food, the basis of all life on Earth
CO2 is not a pollutant. It is essential to all life on Earth. More CO2 is favorable
for nature, greening our planet. Additional CO2 in the air has promoted growth
in global plant biomass. It is also profitable for agriculture, increasing the
yields of crops worldwide.

Global warming has not increased natural disasters
There is no statistical evidence that global warming is intensifying hurricanes,
floods, droughts and suchlike natural disasters, or making them more frequent.
However, there is ample evidence that CO2-mitigation measures are as damaging as they are costly.

Climate policy must respect scientific and economic realities
There is no climate emergency. Therefore, there is no cause for panic and
alarm. We strongly oppose the harmful and unrealistic net-zero CO2 policy
proposed for 2050. Go for adaptation instead of mitigation; adaptation works
whatever the causes are.


https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/WCD-version-06272215121.pdf

[xuphan]

1107 scientists and scholars: "There is no climate emergency"

Climate science should be less political, while climate policies should be more
scientific. Scientists should openly address uncertainties and exaggerations in
their predictions of global warming, while politicians should dispassionately
count the real costs as well as the imagined benefits of their policy measures.

Natural as well as anthropogenic factors cause warming
The geological archive reveals that Earth’s climate has varied as long as the
planet has existed, with natural cold and warm phases. The Little Ice Age
ended as recently as 1850. Therefore, it is no surprise that we now are experiencing a period of warming.

Warming is far slower than predicted
The world has warmed significantly less than predicted by IPCC on the basis
of modeled anthropogenic forcing. The gap between the real world and the
modeled world tells us that we are far from understanding climate change.

Climate policy relies on inadequate models
Climate models have many shortcomings and are not remotely plausible as
policy tools. They do not only exaggerate the effect of greenhouse gases, they
also ignore the fact that enriching the atmosphere with CO2 is beneficial.

CO2 is plant food, the basis of all life on Earth
CO2 is not a pollutant. It is essential to all life on Earth. More CO2 is favorable
for nature, greening our planet. Additional CO2 in the air has promoted growth
in global plant biomass. It is also profitable for agriculture, increasing the
yields of crops worldwide.

Global warming has not increased natural disasters
There is no statistical evidence that global warming is intensifying hurricanes,
floods, droughts and suchlike natural disasters, or making them more frequent.
However, there is ample evidence that CO2-mitigation measures are as damaging as they are costly.

Climate policy must respect scientific and economic realities
There is no climate emergency. Therefore, there is no cause for panic and
alarm. We strongly oppose the harmful and unrealistic net-zero CO2 policy
proposed for 2050. Go for adaptation instead of mitigation; adaptation works
whatever the causes are.


https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/WCD-version-06272215121.pdf

What a wonderful article and thanks for sharing. I for the life of me can’t get my garden to produce very much this year. I figured it was a combination of really warm weather a lack of consistent rain over the summer. This article has change my mind on the problem. There is not enough CO2 in the atmosphere which is not allowing my garden to produce. I would ask anyone who is reading this to please cut down and burn your trees on your property to help increase CO2 levels in the atmosphere and help my garden get the CO2 they need to produce more vegetables this year.

[XU_Lou]

What a wonderful article and thanks for sharing. I for the life of me can’t get my garden to produce very much this year. I figured it was a combination of really warm weather a lack of consistent rain over the summer. This article has change my mind on the problem. There is not enough CO2 in the atmosphere which is not allowing my garden to produce. I would ask anyone who is reading this to please cut down and burn your trees on your property to help increase CO2 levels in the atmosphere and help my garden get the CO2 they need to produce more vegetables this year.

Sorry you lack a green thumb or the ability to follow simple directions, but it sounds like your marijuana crop is doing just fine.

[xuphan]

Sorry you lack a green thumb or the ability to follow simple directions, but it sounds like your marijuana crop is doing just fine.

You don’t have to apologize. My garden will be thriving here soon when we cut down the rain forest and the Sequoia tree out west burn to the ground. The addition of how many metric tons of added CO2 into the atmosphere not counting the millions of metric tons we already release will surely help as your article you shared my crops. I can’t for the life of me think why people would be concerned with humans releasing millions of metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere? Seems like we should be releasing more of it to be honest. Thank you LOU for this different viewpoint I had not considered.

[Strange Brew]

What a wonderful article and thanks for sharing. I for the life of me can’t get my garden to produce very much this year. I figured it was a combination of really warm weather a lack of consistent rain over the summer. This article has change my mind on the problem. There is not enough CO2 in the atmosphere which is not allowing my garden to produce. I would ask anyone who is reading this to please cut down and burn your trees on your property to help increase CO2 levels in the atmosphere and help my garden get the CO2 they need to produce more vegetables this year.

Hmmm, you don’t science much do you?

[bobbiemcgee]

Global warming is like cancer: if you ignore it, it just goes away.

bump

[Xuperman]

Sorry you lack a green thumb or the ability to follow simple directions, but it sounds like your marijuana crop is doing just fine.

You funny Lou.

[xuphan]

Hmmm, you don’t science much do you?

Hmmm, you don’t logic much do you?

[XU_Lou]

Hmmm, you don’t logic much do you?

Phan - I guess you prefer to listen to people who laugh in your face for being so gullible. While you allow your standard of living to be eroded by laws and regulations that might - "might" - prevent the earth from warming by less than a degree within the next 100 years, people like Al Gore and John Kerry will continue to own multiple mega houses around the country, and will continue to fly all over the world in private jets. Leonardo DiCaprio will continue to make movies that require millions of people to get in their cars to see them.

These are the same people who told you to wear masks and not go to restaurants to slow the spread of covid, but disobeyed their own edicts.

These people are laughing at you because people like you will continue to be good little sheep and obey what ever they tell you to do.

[xuphan]

Phan - I guess you prefer to listen to people who laugh in your face for being so gullible. While you allow your standard of living to be eroded by laws and regulations that might - "might" - prevent the earth from warming by less than a degree within the next 100 years, people like Al Gore and John Kerry will continue to own multiple mega houses around the country, and will continue to fly all over the world in private jets. Leonardo DiCaprio will continue to make movies that require millions of people to get in their cars to see them.

These are the same people who told you to wear masks and not go to restaurants to slow the spread of covid, but disobeyed their own edicts.

These people are laughing at you because people like you will continue to be good little sheep and obey what ever they tell you to do.

I actually agreed with a several of the opinions set forth in your article you posted. I did not agree with shutting down the keystone pipeline. I do not agree with electric vehicles being the answer to lowering car emissions. I do not agree with solar or wind farms as the answer to lowering electric energy CO2 admissions. I am in favor of research to find better ways to produce energy and reduce or capture CO2 emissions. A good first step in my opinion would be to start reforesting areas with tree that naturally capture carbon.

However, I disagree that pumping millions of tons of human produced CO2 into the atmosphere is good for the Earth. The Earth was fine before humans starting doing this. Logic doesn’t fit there.

People like Al Gore, John Kerry, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Donald Trump, Nancy Pelosi of the world are probably laughing at us. You are right Lou. These people live above the law and influence the law to help themselves. They reap the rewards while we pay the consequences. You would think people regardless of views would want them to pay their fair share of taxes and hold politician to term limits at the very least. Seems like something everyone would be onboard with.

I do have to chuckle at your last point. How can someone who believe everything the Republican Party has to say call someone who agrees and disagrees based on the issue with both parties a sheep? I have issues with both parties on a wide range of topics. I will gladly take that back if there are things you disagree with the Republican Party on but it just doesnÂ’t seem like it. I find that a bit sheepy that you would believe everything that one party tells you. Why would a sheep laugh and insult someone by calling them a sheep?

[Xuperman]

I actually agreed with a several of the opinions set forth in your article you posted. I did not agree with shutting down the keystone pipeline. I do not agree with electric vehicles being the answer to lowering car emissions. I do not agree with solar or wind farms as the answer to lowering electric energy CO2 admissions. I am in favor of research to find better ways to produce energy and reduce or capture CO2 emissions. A good first step in my opinion would be to start reforesting areas with tree that naturally capture carbon.

Absolutely, make sure you vote for the people that agree with you. The choices are CRYSTAL clear.

[Xuperman]

I disagree that pumping millions of tons of human produced CO2 into the atmosphere is good for the Earth. The Earth was fine before humans starting doing this. Logic doesn’t fit there.

The Earth was fine? Logic? Evidently you do not realize there was a mini ICE AGE only a few centuries ago.

[Xuperman]

I do have to chuckle at your last point. How can someone who believe everything the Republican Party has to say call someone who agrees and disagrees based on the issue with both parties a sheep? I have issues with both parties on a wide range of topics. I will gladly take that back if there are things you disagree with the Republican Party.

At last an opening! Why not stop chuckling, and post just ONE thing YOU disagree with Republican views, besides social issues and Abortion.

In turn, I will happily post a laundry list of far left, progressive insanity that the Democratic Party has totally embraced.

[XU_Lou]

I actually agreed with a several of the opinions set forth in your article you posted. I did not agree with shutting down the keystone pipeline. I do not agree with electric vehicles being the answer to lowering car emissions. I do not agree with solar or wind farms as the answer to lowering electric energy CO2 admissions. I am in favor of research to find better ways to produce energy and reduce or capture CO2 emissions. A good first step in my opinion would be to start reforesting areas with tree that naturally capture carbon.

However, I disagree that pumping millions of tons of human produced CO2 into the atmosphere is good for the Earth. The Earth was fine before humans starting doing this. Logic doesn’t fit there.

People like Al Gore, John Kerry, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Donald Trump, Nancy Pelosi of the world are probably laughing at us. You are right Lou. These people live above the law and influence the law to help themselves. They reap the rewards while we pay the consequences. You would think people regardless of views would want them to pay their fair share of taxes and hold politician to term limits at the very least. Seems like something everyone would be onboard with.

I do have to chuckle at your last point. How can someone who believe everything the Republican Party has to say call someone who agrees and disagrees based on the issue with both parties a sheep? I have issues with both parties on a wide range of topics. I will gladly take that back if there are things you disagree with the Republican Party on but it just doesnÂ’t seem like it. I find that a bit sheepy that you would believe everything that one party tells you. Why would a sheep laugh and insult someone by calling them a sheep?

Wrong... I don't agree with everything the R's believe in. I'm not a registered R, and have never been. I'm a conservative/libertarian. Having said that, the R's are by far less of an evil than the Dems. No doubt, there are many R's attempting to push the car over the proverbial cliff, while the Dems have attached a cinder block to the gas pedal, and rocket boosters to the rear bumper....

[Xuperman]

At last an opening! Why not stop chuckling, and post just ONE thing YOU disagree with Republican views, besides social issues and Abortion.

In turn, I will happily post a laundry list of far left, progressive insanity that the Democratic Party has totally embraced.

Sorry, I jumped the gun. To be fair, I should post something that the Republicans are not getting right. I think Donald J Trump is an egotistical maniac that has no business in politics. He needs to go away, so someone more suited for the job can build on his policies.

Now I will wait for the crickets.

[bjf123]

The Earth was fine? Logic? Evidently you do not realize there was a mini ICE AGE only a few centuries ago.

Yep, and as recently as 10,000 years ago, there was a glacier covering most of Ohio and a lot of the northern US. If it wasn’t for global warming, we’re wouldn’t be living here. Somehow, I doubt that was man made.


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[Xuperman]

Yep, and as recently as 10,000 years ago, there was a glacier covering most of Ohio and a lot of the northern US. If it wasn’t for global warming, we’re wouldn’t be living here. Somehow, I doubt that was man made.


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Yep, and the "intelligent" people pushing the Green agenda crap have to be stunned at how easily the Green lemmings are swayed to simply overlook the fact you just listed. The term "Climate Change" is brilliantly moronic.

[JTG]

Sorry, I jumped the gun. To be fair, I should post something that the Republicans are not getting right. I think Donald J Trump is an egotistical maniac that has no business in politics. He needs to go away, so someone more suited for the job can build on his policies.

Now I will wait for the crickets.

THIS X1000. Trump policies are spot on, Trump the person needs to go away. And if the Rs are smart they will dump him, because he's the only person the Dems can beat because of his awful personna.

[Strange Brew]

Hmmm, you don’t logic much do you?

Every day Phan..

[Strange Brew]

The term "Climate Change" is brilliantly moronic.

That it is. That it is….

[XU 87]

The term "Climate Change" is brilliantly moronic.

Indeed. If it gets hot- climate change. Cold- climate change. Drought- climate change. Flooding- climate change. They cover every possible weather event.

[Masterofreality]

Per the FINANCIAL TIMES:

“ "Ford Motor plans to shed 3,000 employees and contract workers, citing a need to redesign its labour force as it invests tens of billions of dollars to make electric vehicles." @FT
The #BidenRecession is following close on the heels of the #BidenInflation it seems.
And this is what Climate Change Madness produces.

[XU_Lou]

Per the FINANCIAL TIMES:

“ "Ford Motor plans to shed 3,000 employees and contract workers, citing a need to redesign its labour force as it invests tens of billions of dollars to make electric vehicles." @FT
The #BidenRecession is following close on the heels of the #BidenInflation it seems.
And this is what Climate Change Madness produces.

The question that follows is will Ford be able to survive this "New Coke" moment?

[Masterofreality]

By the way.
Where are all the hurricanes?
I thought that Climate Change was gonna bring a plethora??
Right now and near term forecast…..crickets.

[Strange Brew]

The question that follows is will Ford be able to survive this "New Coke" moment?

Whep, any of you all remember Obama’s really cool public/private partnership (economic definition of Fascism) deals (cough GE).

I heard a rumor that you get a sick $7k rebate for an EV. But the UAW raised prices on EVs by about $7k.. so, well.

[Masterofreality]

Pretty damning:

False modeling, narrative creation, oppo data submergence.
There is no climate crisis.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/ipcc-there-is-no-climate-crisis/

[Masterofreality]

The devastating Camp Fire in California that “Greens” claim was evidence of “Climate Change” was actually caused by gross negligence by PG&E the utility company. And it’s been convicted of 84 counts of manslaughter.
And Dems have been resistant to forest control measures that greens say would disrupt natural flora & fauna. Meanwhile Cali has some of the highest energy prices in the country while the utility sat on its hands.
Incredible.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-deadliest-wildfire-in-california-history-led-to-a-guilty-plea-from-pg-e-11661436002?st=7idlvjur5pthh2z&reflink=article_copyURL_share

[JTG]

Any forestry expert would tell you about cutting fire breaks for forest safety, by preventing fires from having fuel to spread. And it could be argued out West that very large fire breaks should be cut. Is the forest pristine with the cuts, no but the forest, land and homes are saved. But Dems and Greens resist that and raging wildfires are the result. And the flora and fauna are left homeless.

[paulxu]

An interesting discussion about the water challenges, especially in the West.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/as-colorado-river-dries-the-us-teeters-on-the-brink-of-larger-water-crisis

[Strange Brew]

An interesting discussion about the water challenges, especially in the West.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/as-colorado-river-dries-the-us-teeters-on-the-brink-of-larger-water-crisis

That area has been a desert for quite some time. Hope CA eases rega to allow more dams in the Sierras.

[xuphan]

That area has been a desert for quite some time. Hope CA eases rega to allow more dams in the Sierras.

Or tap the abundance of water right off their coast.

[Strange Brew]

Or tap the abundance of water right off their coast.

But that would put desalination plants off Liberal coasts...

[Masterofreality]

An interesting discussion about the water challenges, especially in the West.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/as-colorado-river-dries-the-us-teeters-on-the-brink-of-larger-water-crisis

Welp. Kinda what happens when too many people want to live in a desert that God designed as almost inhabitable.
The fact that Las Vegas/Mesquite now has basically 2.5 million people in a geographic area that can only really support 400,000 might be a problem?
As an aside. I’ve played golf a few times at the Paiute Resort north of Las Vegas up US 95. It used to be waaaaay up there from Vegas itself. Now the area is called “Upper Las Vegas” as housing continues to move up north.
20 years ago, I asked the Head Pro as to how in the hell did they get the water to service and keep the 36 holes up there from burning out. He said that they had to drill down almost two miles to hit an aquifer to water the course. The water is highly alkaline and not suitable to drink.
I don’t think God in his design wanted a golf course out in the middle of wasted desert, but here we are.

[XU_Lou]

No named Atlantic hurricanes in July or August - first time since 1941!

Sorry about that climate alarmists....

Edit: I wonder if any of the climate models predicted this? You know, the same models that say that nearly every country in the world is warming faster than the rest of the world...

[GoMuskies]

No named Atlantic hurricanes in July or August - first time since 1941!

Sorry about that climate alarmists....

First time since 1941? Uh, that's clearly climate change dude!

[nuts4xu]

As an aside. I’ve played golf a few times at the Paiute Resort north of Las Vegas up US 95. It used to be waaaaay up there from Vegas itself. Now the area is called “Upper Las Vegas” as housing continues to move up north.

I have played at that course a few times myself, and was always blown away at how green and lush the grass is on that course. Nothing but sand and desert for miles and miles, but that course is gorgeous.

[Xuperman]

Who could've saw this coming.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/experts-blame-green-energy-europes-full-scale-energy-crisis-warning-us

[UCGRAD4X]

First time since 1941? Uh, that's clearly climate change dude!

That certainly denotes a change it the climate.

Hey, climates change. I don't think many people would argue that.

But how can too many hurricanes be global warming and none at all global warming?

There hasn't been any noise from the "climate alarmist" as lou said, because it is not "alarming".

No crisis = no advantage = no narrative.

[Masterofreality]

That certainly denotes a change it the climate.

Hey, climates change. I don't think many people would argue that.

But how can too many hurricanes be global warming and none at all global warming?

There hasn't been any noise from the "climate alarmist" as lou said, because it is not "alarming".

No crisis = no advantage = no narrative.

It can only be Global Cooling that was predicted in 1975

[Xuperman]

First time since 1941? Uh, that's clearly climate change dude!

"Brilliantly Moronic"

[XU_Lou]

Uh, oh, more bad news for the climate alarmists (a.k.a., the sky is falling crowd)

Greenland ice sheet gained 7 Gigatons of mass just the other day — largest daily gain ever recorded during summer!

Moreover, the ice sheet is well above the 30-year mean:

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1564576027350913024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1564576027350913024%7Ctwgr% 5Eb9be6f0491384651242e5728a68266840e792608%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.revolver.news%2F

http://polarportal.dk/en/greenland/surface-conditions/

At this rate, Biden might have to mandate that everyone drive SUVs to save the planet from cooling!!

[XU_Lou]

But hold on just one cotton-picking second! Didn't the models - "the science" - just tell us less than a year ago that:

"the Arctic is warming about three times faster than the global average rate"

https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Did the models predict this cooling? Did they predict there would be no named hurricanes in the Atlantic for the months of July/August - the first time since 1941.

What gives???

[paulxu]

Maybe you should have clicked on one of those links in the article to discover this. It calculates total mass loss, including the calving of ice bergs and runoff, which is not done in the first mass measurement.


Based on this data, it can be seen that during the period 2003-2011 the Greenland Ice Sheet has lost 234 km3 of water per year, corresponding to an annual contribution to the mean increase in sea level of 0.65 mm (Barletta et al. (2013).


High on the central region of the ice sheet, however, the GRACE satellites show that there is a small increase in the mass of the ice.

http://polarportal.dk/en/greenland/mass-and-height-change/

[Strange Brew]

Maybe you should have clicked on one of those links in the article to discover this. It calculates total mass loss, including the calving of ice bergs and runoff, which is not done in the first mass measurement.





http://polarportal.dk/en/greenland/mass-and-height-change/

You're still buying this stuff Paul?

[XU_Lou]

Maybe you should have clicked on one of those links in the article to discover this. It calculates total mass loss, including the calving of ice bergs and runoff, which is not done in the first mass measurement.

http://polarportal.dk/en/greenland/mass-and-height-change/

Did you bother to look at the graphs? Are you denying there's more mass now than the 30-year mean?

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.thelocal.dk/20220202/greenland-ice-cap-lost-enough-water-in-20-years-to-cover-us-danish-study-finds/

[XU_Lou]

https://www.thelocal.dk/20220202/greenland-ice-cap-lost-enough-water-in-20-years-to-cover-us-danish-study-finds/

The first line in this article states:

"The climate is warming faster in the Arctic than anywhere else on the planet"

The only problem, is that:


South pole warming three times faster than rest of the world: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/30/south-pole-warming-three-times-faster-than-rest-of-the-world-our-research-shows

Africa warming faster than rest of world: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/africa/africa-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-ipcc-sixth-assessment-report-78424

Europe is warming faster than the rest of the world and scientists are puzzled: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Israel warming up almost twice as fast as rest of world: https://www.ynetnews.com/environment/article/rjdyrxt8f

Russia is 'warming 2.5 times quicker' than the rest of the world: https://theworld.org/stories/2015-12-25/russia-warming-25-times-quicker-rest-world

Canada is getting warmer faster than the rest of the world: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-newsletter-stopping-a-hurricane-canada-getting-warmer-1.5084433

Mexico is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.sandiegored.com/en/news/200115/Mexico-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet-they-say

Finland is warming faster than the rest of the world: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/world-news/finland-in-the-world-press/13155-finland-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-world.html

Australia warming faster than world: https://www.ft.com/content/d15bc650-9b0c-11db-aa70-0000779e2340

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-environment-west/u-s-west-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-study-idUSN2728295220080328

New England is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/30/science/new-england-is-warming-faster-than-rest-planet-new-study-finds/

Great Lakes states are warming faster than the rest of the country: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/03/21/climate-change-great-lakes-region-warming-faster-than-rest-u-s/3229219002/

[Strange Brew]

https://www.thelocal.dk/20220202/greenland-ice-cap-lost-enough-water-in-20-years-to-cover-us-danish-study-finds/

Hmmm, this contradicts Lou who will send another to contradict you. On and on we go without the Earth being on fire or our coastal cities under water as predicted in the recent past. Hmmmmm.

Meanwhile Russia is using NG to threaten Europe and the Chinese are reselling Russian energy to Europe. Gas prices are high again and CA can't keep the lights on. Why? Some say, "it's science"...

[paulxu]

Did you bother to look at the graphs? Are you denying there's more mass now than the 30-year mean?

I'm not going to try and explain to you what the article laid out, or that "surface" mass is far different than total mass of Greenland.

Maybe a visual aid would help.

http://polarportal.dk/fileadmin/polarportal/mass/Grace_combine_Sm_EN_20210800.png

[bobbiemcgee]

Gas prices are high again and CA can't keep the lights on. Why? Some say, "it's science"...

Depends on where you live, gas is down 83 straight days:

https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/colorado

[XU_Lou]

I'm not going to try and explain to you what the article laid out, or that "surface" mass is far different than total mass of Greenland.

Maybe a visual aid would help.

http://polarportal.dk/fileadmin/polarportal/mass/Grace_combine_Sm_EN_20210800.png

What's the date on those graphs? And what's the date on the graphs I presented?

[XUOWNSUC]

Depends on where you live, gas is down 83 straight days:

https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/colorado

Woohoo! Let's celebrate! 83 straight days!

It's still roughly double what was a few years ago.

Biden sucks.

[paulxu]

Depends on where you live, gas is down 83 straight days:

https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/colorado

That Conoco guy is waging his own price war :)

[Strange Brew]

That Conoco guy is waging his own price war :)

Yeah, this is dumb. Conoco guy is likely making about the same on nominal margin and less in terms of real wages/profits.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, this is dumb. Conoco guy is likely making about the same on nominal margin and less in terms of real wages/profits.

yeah, some dude/dudess on an BB internet chatboard probably best knows how to run his business for him.

[Xuperman]

Had some time on my hands, and decided to see where Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology currently stands. I came away wondering why is this not being more actively pursued in the renewable energy industry?

Here's a very detailed article from 2019.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/musk-calls-hydrogen-fuel-cells-stupid-but-tech-may-threaten-tesla.html

I was very surprised to see the extent that it is currently in use.....those industrial fork lift numbers are impressive. And predicted to cost 4X less than Lithium Ion technology?

Maybe one of you brainiacs can post some reasons why this is not a widespread renewable option. I mean, look at the huge investment being made in silly WIND technology.

[Xville]

don't worry...patagonia is going to solve the "climate crisis" while they manufacture 13% of their product in the country most responsible for the "crisis"

[Strange Brew]

yeah, some dude/dudess on an BB internet chatboard probably best knows how to run his business for him.

Or a guys with multiple business degrees who’ve run operations and P/L.

[paulxu]

don't worry...patagonia is going to solve the "climate crisis" while they manufacture 13% of their product in the country most responsible for the "crisis"

Although that is about 87% better than most everyone else.

[bobbiemcgee]

Or a guys with multiple business degrees who’ve run operations and P/L.

Oh...we didn't realize you were doing his books.

[Strange Brew]

Oh...we didn't realize you were doing his books.

Sorry, didn’t realize you were talking about an individual business in your irrelevant anecdote

[bobbiemcgee]

Whatever, I'm sure you know how to run his gas station...lol

[Strange Brew]

Whatever, I'm sure you know how to run his gas station...lol

Probably.

[94GRAD]

Probably.

Probably not.

[Masterofreality]

All you “hydrocarbon is bad” honks still haven’t answered the question as to when the crazies are finally able to get hydrocarbons banned from the world, what kind of roads will all these electric vehicles drive on? Asphalt is petroleum as is tar, and concrete/cement production is horrible environmentally- arguably worse than asphalt. 8% of global carbon emissions come from concrete production alone!

[Xuperman]

All you “hydrocarbon is bad” honks still haven’t answered the question as to when the crazies are finally able to get hydrocarbons banned from the world, what kind of roads will all these electric vehicles drive on? Asphalt is petroleum as is tar, and concrete/cement production is horrible environmentally- arguably worse than asphalt. 8% of global carbon emissions come from concrete production alone!

Daisy petals.

[Strange Brew]

Probably not.

Are you saying I couldn’t run a gas station in the A10? :)

[JTG]

All you “hydrocarbon is bad” honks still haven’t answered the question as to when the crazies are finally able to get hydrocarbons banned from the world, what kind of roads will all these electric vehicles drive on? Asphalt is petroleum as is tar, and concrete/cement production is horrible environmentally- arguably worse than asphalt. 8% of global carbon emissions come from concrete production alone!

The production of those batteries isn't exactly environmentally friendly either. Not to mention the weight of those batteries make vehicles a guided missile in an accident, especially trucks.

[UCGRAD4X]

The production of those batteries isn't exactly environmentally friendly either. Not to mention the weight of those batteries make vehicles a guided missile in an accident, especially trucks.

Neither is the disposal.

[Masterofreality]

Excellent Wall Street Journal article.
Greens are irrational coercionists:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-west-mimics-mao-takes-a-green-leap-forward-clean-energy-china-communism-farming-industrialization-quota-11663767101

[bobbiemcgee]

Excellent Wall Street Journal article.
Greens are irrational coercionists:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-west-mimics-mao-takes-a-green-leap-forward-clean-energy-china-communism-farming-industrialization-quota-11663767101

paywall

[Masterofreality]

paywall

The gist:
“
Rather than grad*u*ally phas*ing out fos*sil fu*els while in*vest*ing in re*new*able en*ergy re*search and de*vel*op*ment, West*ern green-en*ergy rev*o*lu*tion*ar*ies have launched their own ver*sion of the Great Leap For*ward in Eu*rope and the U.S. To*day’s greens op*er*ate in a de*mo*c*ra*tic sys*tem un*like Mao, but they have re*sorted to gov*ern*ment co*er*cion to re*place fos*sil fu*els (and nu*clear power) with re*new*ables on an ag*gres*sive dead*line. The Eu*ropean Union is set to cut green*house-gas emis*sions by at least 55% by 2030, and the Biden ad*min*is*tra*tion promises to “achieve a 50-52 per*cent re*duc*tion from 2005 lev*els in econ*omy-wide net green*house gas pol*lu*tion in 2030.”
One of the es*sen*tial lessons from Chi*na’s Great Leap For*ward is that cat*astrophic fail*ures in*evitably fol*low from politi*cians’ in*sis*tence on ig*nor*ing rea*son, logic, truth and eco*nomics. Eu*rope’s cur*rent en*ergy cri*sis, Cal*i*for*nia’s con*tin*u*ing power out*ages and Sri Lan*ka’s food short*ages are all warn*ing signs. The Green Leap For*ward has set hu*man*ity on a fast track to an*other man-made cat*a*stro*phe.

[xeus]

paywall

Do yourself a favor and get a Wall Street Journal subscription.

[UCGRAD4X]

The gist:
“
Rather than grad*u*ally phas*ing out fos*sil fu*els while in*vest*ing in re*new*able en*ergy re*search and de*vel*op*ment, West*ern green-en*ergy rev*o*lu*tion*ar*ies have launched their own ver*sion of the Great Leap For*ward in Eu*rope and the U.S. To*day’s greens op*er*ate in a de*mo*c*ra*tic sys*tem un*like Mao, but they have re*sorted to gov*ern*ment co*er*cion to re*place fos*sil fu*els (and nu*clear power) with re*new*ables on an ag*gres*sive dead*line. The Eu*ropean Union is set to cut green*house-gas emis*sions by at least 55% by 2030, and the Biden ad*min*is*tra*tion promises to “achieve a 50-52 per*cent re*duc*tion from 2005 lev*els in econ*omy-wide net green*house gas pol*lu*tion in 2030.”
One of the es*sen*tial lessons from Chi*na’s Great Leap For*ward is that cat*astrophic fail*ures in*evitably fol*low from politi*cians’ in*sis*tence on ig*nor*ing rea*son, logic, truth and eco*nomics. Eu*rope’s cur*rent en*ergy cri*sis, Cal*i*for*nia’s con*tin*u*ing power out*ages and Sri Lan*ka’s food short*ages are all warn*ing signs. The Green Leap For*ward has set hu*man*ity on a fast track to an*other man-made cat*a*stro*phe.

This made my brain hurt. :drool:

[bobbiemcgee]

The gist:
“
Rather than gradually phasing out fossil fuels while investing in renewable energy research and development, Western green-energy revolutionaries have launched their own version of the Great Leap Forward in Europe and the U.S. Today’s greens operate in a democratic system unlike Mao, but they have resorted to government coercion to replace fossil fuels (and nuclear power) with renewables on an aggressive deadline. The European Union is set to cut greenhouse-gas emissions by at least 55% by 2030, and the Biden administration promises to “achieve a 50-52 percent reduction from 2005 levels in economy-wide net greenhouse gas pollution in 2030.”
One of the essential lessons from China’s Great Leap Forward is that catastrophic failures inevitably follow from politicians’ insistence on ignoring reason, logic, truth and economics. Europe’s current energy crisis, California’s continuing power outages and Sri Lanka’s food shortages are all warning signs. The Green Leap Forward has set humanity on a fast track to another man-made catastrophe.

or you could take a minute to edit it.

[Xuperman]

Here's the 2 major points that put the "Greenies" in bizarro world and you NEVER hear "how"?

Where does the energy come from to source materials, transport, manufacture, deliver, construct, develope infrastructure and maintain wind and solar renewables?

Why would Western society risk devastating economic impact in developing green technology, that is NO WHERE near being able to match the massive energy needs required to function properly, when the world's LARGEST POLLUTERS have no intention of playing this silly game? It's a GLOBAL carbon emissions crisis, correct?

There is only 1 answer folks......more NUCLEAR or the status quo. Otherwise a lot of people are going to starve or freeze to death.

[UCGRAD4X]

Here's the 2 major points that put the "Greenies" in bizarro world and you NEVER hear "how"?

Where does the energy come from to source materials, transport, manufacture, deliver, construct, develope infrastructure and maintain wind and solar renewables?

Why would Western society risk devastating economic impact in developing green technology, that is NO WHERE near being able to match the massive energy needs required to function properly, when the world's LARGEST POLLUTERS have no intention of playing this silly game? It's a GLOBAL carbon emissions crisis, correct?

There is only 1 answer folks......more NUCLEAR or the status quo. Otherwise a lot of people are going to starve or freeze to death.

I'm assuming your second point / question was rhetorical.

[JTG]

Here's the 2 major points that put the "Greenies" in bizarro world and you NEVER hear "how"?

Where does the energy come from to source materials, transport, manufacture, deliver, construct, develope infrastructure and maintain wind and solar renewables?

Why would Western society risk devastating economic impact in developing green technology, that is NO WHERE near being able to match the massive energy needs required to function properly, when the world's LARGEST POLLUTERS have no intention of playing this silly game? It's a GLOBAL carbon emissions crisis, correct?

There is only 1 answer folks......more NUCLEAR or the status quo. Otherwise a lot of people are going to starve or freeze to death.

The better answer would be to dial way back on the green energy initiatives, and continue to use gas, oil and coal in as clean a way as possible. Otherwise there is a chance this Dem led silliness could throw us into a full blown Depression.

[Strange Brew]

The better answer would be to dial way back on the green energy initiatives, and continue to use gas, oil and coal in as clean a way as possible. Otherwise there is a chance this Dem led silliness could throw us into a full blown Depression.

That may be the goal…