PGA Championship -- Who Do You Like?

[Nigel Tufnel]

Should be a great weekend of golf. The media is hyping Tiger v. Phil. Maybe it will happen.....if so, great, it would be awesome to watch. But I think it's unlikely. Here are some guys i like this weekend.

Bradley 32/1
Mahan 35/1
Dufner 40/1
Day 45/1
Z. Johnson 50/1
Furyk 65/1

What says all of you?

[waggy]

Jason Day at 45/1? Those are pretty good odds for him I think.

[Lloyd Braun]

I'll take Kokrak.

[joe titan]

Course heavily favors left to right players (eg Trevino & Jack both won majors there); look for Matt Kuchar & Poulter even perhaps Phil. Dufner, Zack, Dustin, Mahan all hit hard hooks so will need to putt extremely well to contend.

While it will be great to see Kokrak play well in his first professional major (he was still amateur when he played in US Open) making the cut is a good week and Top 20 would be a special week. His percentage of driving in fairway needs to climb from about 50% to around 65%.

[PMI]

Course heavily favors left to right players (eg Trevino & Jack both won majors there); look for Matt Kuchar & Poulter even perhaps Phil. Dufner, Zack, Dustin, Mahan all hit hard hooks so will need to putt extremely well to contend.

While it will be great to see Kokrak play well in his first professional major (he was still amateur when he played in US Open) making the cut is a good week and Top 20 would be a special week. His percentage of driving in fairway needs to climb from about 50% to around 65%.

Couldn't agree more. I'll be rooting hard for Kokrak, but that power fade he plays is going to have to be incredibly accurate this week for him to be up there. Nigel mentioned how the media (as always) is pulling for the Phil/Tiger thing. I know it's the cliche and all, but I think both will be right there. Not sure what the odds are, but I'd put a little on top 10s for both of them. I love Kuchar's chances too. He's quietly been about as great as anyone not named Tiger this year and I think the course suits him pretty well.

[PMI]

Not a promising start for Jay. +3 through 6. He's going to have to really dig deep to stop this thing from getting away early.

[GoMuskies]

With Tiger, Phil and Jason struggling, this one hasn't started the way many had hoped.

[paulxu]

Furyk 65/1

What says all of you?

I say Furyk at 65-1 looks pretty good on Friday morning.

[X-band '01]

Not a promising start for Jay. +3 through 6. He's going to have to really dig deep to stop this thing from getting away early.

He did wind up carding a 74 - Kokrak is going to need to score in the 60s to make the cut today.

[GoMuskies]

Cut is at 3 right now, so Jason may be able to sneak through with a -1 round today.

[waggy]

Yeah he's just inside the projected cut line right now, but long way to go.

[GoMuskies]

Five holes to go. Needs to finish 1 under for those to stay the weekend.

Kind of a crazy day so far. 4 birdies, 4 bogeys and 5 pars.

[GoMuskies]

So Jason's out. I'm sure CBS is none too pleased that neither Tiger nor Phil are in contention. It would take a HUGE day tomorrow for one of them to get withing shouting distance. Like Jason Dufner today huge.

[waggy]

Jason bogied 15 & 16 it looks like. Probably just going for a little extra trying to get in position to bird.

Cracked me up earlier today when the announcers referred to Dufner as Spalding.

[nuts4xu]

Love Jason Dufner!! Hope he can hang on to it through the weekend!

[paulxu]

Nigel, your Furyk bet is still looking good on Sunday morning.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Nigel, your Furyk bet is still looking good on Sunday morning.


It is. Nice to have picked 1st and 2nd going into the final round. While Furyk pays out much better, I'm having a hard time not rooting for Dufner. The dude just cracks me up. Minus the double on the 5th yesterday, I thought he played quite well under the circumstances of playing in tough conditions after firing a 63.

My brother in law did a PGA draft with his buddies Wednesday night. I was at his house and helped him pick his 6 golfers. He took Tiger with the No. 1 pick. When it got back around to him, I suggested Bradley and Stenson with the next two picks. The next round I suggested Mahan and Dufner. With his last pick, I told him he should take Furyk. He is killing the competition with 1st, 2nd and 3rd going into the final round. Wonder if he's going to give me a cut of his winnings...

Today should be great. I strongly disagree with those who believe the only way a tourney is entertaining is if Tiger or Phil are in contention. I'm off to mow the yard, workout, etc. so I can plop down on the couch around 3:30 and enjoy golf. Did anyone see Adam Scott's tee shot on 14 yesterday? If so, that's basically what my golf swing looks like....

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well, that was awesome. Dufner's short irons were near flawless. His long irons and hybrids weren't far behind. That was impressive. Happy for him....his wife ain't ugly either.

And the $400 doesn't hurt either.

[bobbiemcgee]

Schauffele might run away with it

[GoMuskies]

Scottie is just moseying his way up the board. He won't let Xander get too far away.

[paulxu]

Hah! A 2013 thread brought back to life!

[STL_XUfan]

I bet the Scottie baby bump and the Rory divorce bump. See if either pays offs

[Smails]

I bet the Scottie baby bump and the Rory divorce bump. See if either pays offs

I doubt many people had 'Scottie gets arrested' as a prop bet

[GoMuskies]

I didn't realize Scottie was an idiot.

I'm just glad it was a white golfer! Lol. Imagine the narrative if it was Theegala or Finau.

[Xville]

I didn't realize Scottie was an idiot.

He’s not, cops are embarrassing and this city can’t get out of its own way.

We got professional golfers walking to the course on a major road, bbecause Louisville and its police force can’t figure out traffic

[GoMuskies]

If he tried to drive around the scene of a fatal accident...then he's an idiot.

[Xville]

If he tried to drive around the scene of a fatal accident...then he's an idiot.

No. He was in a courtesy player vehicle, which are very clearly marked, following others doing the exact same thing. Typical cop on a power trip.

[GoMuskies]

Well, we'll find out, but the cops are (and should be) in charge in a situation like that. Being a PGA Tour player doesn't put you above the law.

But we'll certainly get the facts here. There will be plenty of witnesses.

[Xville]

Well, we'll find out, but the cops are (and should be) in charge in a situation like that. Being a PGA Tour player doesn't put you above the law.

But we'll certainly get the facts here. There will be plenty of witnesses.

If the Valhalla owners and the mayor have any sense, they will get the charges dropped quickly and quietly.

It’s nothing about being “above the law.” If you are in a player Courtney vehicle and you have a morning tee time, there are exceptions to a rule. If you miss your tee time, you are dq’d. What facts are you looking for? It makes the police department and the city look stupid, again. The city refuses to get out of its own way.

[GoMuskies]

Are you serious? You think you get to drive into the median and around a fatal accident scene because you're a fucking golfer? That a courtesy car gives you carte blanche to roll on for 10 or 20 yards when a police officer is literally holding on for dear life attached to your car?

He had time to get arrested, taken downtown, booked and bailed out, and he's still going to make his tee time. He had some time. He wasn't in danger of missing anything.

[nuts4xu]

Scottie was cuffed, arrested, booked, released, and arrived back to Valhalla a little after 9 am.

His tee time is 10:08 am. From jail to tee box in less than 2 hours.

That is efficient!

"Scheffler faces charges of second-degree assault of a police officer, third-degree criminal mischief, reckless driving, and disregarding traffic signals from an officer directing traffic. Scheffler was released at 8:40 a.m. ET and headed to Valhalla. The assault charge is a felony; the others are misdemeanors."

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/40162983/scottie-scheffler-detained-police-prior-start-pga-championship

[XUMIOH12]

Are you serious? You think you get to drive into the median and around a fatal accident scene because you're a fucking golfer? That a courtesy car gives you carte blanche to roll on for 10 or 20 yards when a police officer is literally holding on for dear life attached to your car?

He had time to get arrested, taken downtown, booked and bailed out, and he's still going to make his tee time. He had some time. He wasn't in danger of missing anything.

Looks like the cop was way out of line on this one.

[Final4]

If you are in a player Courtney vehicle and you have a morning tee time, there are exceptions to a rule.

That, quite possibly, is the dumbest thing I've ever seen written on this board and I've seen a lot of dumb shit.

[Xville]

That, quite possibly, is the dumbest thing I've ever seen written on this board and I've seen a lot of dumb shit.

Cool. The good thing about America is you have the right to have that stupid opinion

[Xville]

Are you serious? You think you get to drive into the median and around a fatal accident scene because you're a fucking golfer? That a courtesy car gives you carte blanche to roll on for 10 or 20 yards when a police officer is literally holding on for dear life attached to your car?

He had time to get arrested, taken downtown, booked and bailed out, and he's still going to make his tee time. He had some time. He wasn't in danger of missing anything.

Cops were completely out of line. Yeah if you are in a player courtesy vehicle, you should get special treatment. They do normally, why not in this case? He was following other people.
The stupid cop decided on his own to jump on his car like commando. Thoughts and prayers to the moron with a couple of scrapes and bruises.


On espn other players said they did the exact same thing that Scottie did, and when the cops saw the markings on the car, they let them through without even having to roll their windows down.

This is the case of one cop on a power trip with an iq of 0 trying to be a hero

[Muskie in dayton]

Good thing he wasn’t on UC’s campus or he would’ve been shot in the head.

[Xville]

Scottie was cuffed, arrested, booked, released, and arrived back to Valhalla a little after 9 am.

His tee time is 10:08 am. From jail to tee box in less than 2 hours.

That is efficient!

"Scheffler faces charges of second-degree assault of a police officer, third-degree criminal mischief, reckless driving, and disregarding traffic signals from an officer directing traffic. Scheffler was released at 8:40 a.m. ET and headed to Valhalla. The assault charge is a felony; the others are misdemeanors."

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/40162983/scottie-scheffler-detained-police-prior-start-pga-championship

One of the owners of Valhalla whose family I know well, called the mayor's office first, then the police station and let's just say things escalated very quickly. He went and picked up Scottie personally and drove him to the course.

[Xville]

“In the early hours of the morning in advance of his tee time Scottie was going to the course to begin his pre round preparation. Due to the combination of event traffic and a traffic fatality in the area it was a very chaotic situation He was proceeding as directed by another traffic officer and driving a marked player’s vehicle with credentials visible. In the confusion,Scottie is alleged to have disregarded a different officer’s traffic signals resulting in these charges. Multiple eyewitnesses have confirmed that he did not do anything wrong but was simply proceeding as directed. He stopped immediately upon being directed to and never at any point assaulted any officer with his vehicle. We will litigate this matter as needed and he will be completely exonerated. “

[xubrew]

A rich white guy was given an expedited release from jail because he had to get to the country club and play golf. I know I probably shouldn't be laughing at that, but...

I wasn't there. I don't know how it was handled, nor do I know how it should have been handled. I do know when teams are traveling to an arena or stadium they frequently receive some sort of police escort, especially if there is going to be traffic. I can understand how the police would not immediately recognize him because I don't watch golf at all and had never heard of him before today. I can also understand him thinking he was good to go around the traffic because...well...at least that's what a team bus would typically do, and if someone is used to being able to do that, then I can see why they'd think it was okay in this sense.

There is someone I do feel sorry for. Those who are impacted by the fatality that caused the confusion in the first place.

[xu82]

“In the early hours of the morning in advance of his tee time Scottie was going to the course to begin his pre round preparation. Due to the combination of event traffic and a traffic fatality in the area it was a very chaotic situation He was proceeding as directed by another traffic officer and driving a marked player’s vehicle with credentials visible. In the confusion,Scottie is alleged to have disregarded a different officer’s traffic signals resulting in these charges. Multiple eyewitnesses have confirmed that he did not do anything wrong but was simply proceeding as directed. He stopped immediately upon being directed to and never at any point assaulted any officer with his vehicle. We will litigate this matter as needed and he will be completely exonerated. “

What is the source there? Scottie’s lawyer? Apparently the officer latched onto his car and was dragged enough to ruin his pants. Oh! The tragedy! An $80 pair of pants! WTH?



Don Van Natta Jr.
@DVNJr
I’ve been reading police reports for many years. Can’t remember seeing a sentence like this, ever: “Detective Gillis’ uniform pants, valued at approximately $80, were damaged beyond repair.”
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Michael Eaves
@michaeleaves
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From the Scottie Scheffler police report: the arresting officer, Bryan Gillis, says that Scheffler disobeyed his orders and then dragged him to the ground with his car causing injuries to the officer and his clothing.
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Officer Bryan Gillis is having a day to remember!! 😂

[Xville]

What is the source there? Scottie’s lawyer? Apparently the officer latched onto his car and was dragged enough to ruin his pants. Oh! The tragedy! An $80 pair of pants! WTH?



Don Van Natta Jr.
@DVNJr
I’ve been reading police reports for many years. Can’t remember seeing a sentence like this, ever: “Detective Gillis’ uniform pants, valued at approximately $80, were damaged beyond repair.”
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Michael Eaves
@michaeleaves
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From the Scottie Scheffler police report: the arresting officer, Bryan Gillis, says that Scheffler disobeyed his orders and then dragged him to the ground with his car causing injuries to the officer and his clothing.
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Officer Bryan Gillis is having a day to remember!! ��


Yeah his lawyer.


Eyewitnesses said that police officers were instructing player courtesy vehicles to go thru. This rogue idiot, decided he was going to go against the other cops own directions and try to be a hero. Witnesses said the cop told him to stop, he didnt as he was at the entrance, so the cop jumps on the car. He then pounds on the glass of the car with his flashlight ( Scottie was already thru the gate) and tells him to get out of the car. Scottie rolls the window down, the cop opens rhe door, pulls Scottie out of the vehicle, shoves him up against the car and arrests him. Maybe a little common sense from the cop would have gone a long way here.


Even maybe More than this cop, I blame a lot of the city of Louisville here. The traffic situation was an effing disaster this week (went yesterday) and was a logistical cluster. They had years to get it right, and they did a horrible horrible job.


I’ll also just add I personally trust zero cops. I do what I’m told by police because shit they have guns and I know their job is tough, but I have personally seen too many incidents where cops escalated things where there was zero reason for it.

[xubrew]

Is golf always this amusing?

[nuts4xu]

Cops should not reach into a suspect's car or latch onto it, especially if it's a golfer.

Even if he drove around the barricades and started heading toward the accident scene, it isn't worth the risk.

This was a confused golfer not some violent criminal plowing through a crowd.

Sounds to me like an overstep by a "try-hard" cop.

[xu82]

Is golf always this amusing?

The language can be quite colorful!

[nuts4xu]

. The traffic situation was an effing disaster this week (went yesterday) and was a logistical cluster. They had years to get it right, and they did a horrible horrible job.




It was a complete nightmare when I attended the Ryder Cup at Valhalla years ago. They better figure this out if they ever want to host another PGA event.

[xubrew]

“In the early hours of the morning in advance of his tee time Scottie was going to the course to begin his pre round preparation. Due to the combination of event traffic and a traffic fatality in the area it was a very chaotic situation He was proceeding as directed by another traffic officer and driving a marked player’s vehicle with credentials visible. In the confusion,Scottie is alleged to have disregarded a different officer’s traffic signals resulting in these charges. Multiple eyewitnesses have confirmed that he did not do anything wrong but was simply proceeding as directed. He stopped immediately upon being directed to and never at any point assaulted any officer with his vehicle. We will litigate this matter as needed and he will be completely exonerated. “

I have no doubt whatsoever that this is completely accurate.

[Smails]

Is golf always this amusing?

Come play with my Friday night twilight group....you will laugh very hard

[xubrew]

Come play with my Friday night twilight group....you will laugh very hard

If you gave me a golf bag with golf clubs in it, I wouldn't know which clubs were which. I know nothing about golf. I'm not knocking it. In fact I kind of wish I did know how to play. But, I don't. I know less about it than I do about any other sport that exists.

[bjf123]

Wonder if there’s any body cam footage from the officer showing Scottie’s disregard for his commands? Read where someone from ESPN was there and said Scottie did nothing wrong.


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[STL_XUfan]

Wonder if there’s any body cam footage from the officer showing Scottie’s disregard for his commands? Read where someone from ESPN was there and said Scottie did nothing wrong.


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Per a tweet, the local news requested it already and got back an automated response that it will take months to process the request. If the body cam helps the cop's narrative, I have a feeling that timeline will be speed up. If it doesn't, I am sure that will request will find its way to the bottom of the stack.

[xudash]

It was a complete nightmare when I attended the Ryder Cup at Valhalla years ago. They better figure this out if they ever want to host another PGA event.

Oh, I imagine they aren't going to have to worry about that anymore. They are toast for future events.

[xu82]

Oh, I imagine they aren't going to have to worry about that anymore. They are toast for future events.

You think a dead guy and the public arrest of the #1 golfer in the world while trying to get into the course might be taken into consideration a bit? Yeah, you could be correct there.

[Xville]

it will certainly be a big test as to just how much money matters. Reportedly, it's the biggest buildout of a PGA champinship ever, and they have broken ticket sales records.

I like Valhalla, from an everyday play perspective. it's very nice and it's been fun the couple of times i have gotten to play it, but imo it's not a championship course for today's pro golfer. Too wide of fairways, greens are meh, and there aren't a lot of Wow holes. 6 is cool, and 13 with the island green is neat, but frankly it's just too easy for these guys.

Feel the same way about their pick next year, quail hollow.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Quick anecdote, back in my nighttime mountain biking days I finished up a late night right on the big mountain near my home. I live just 2 miles from the trailhead. When riding back around 10pm, I hit the top of a hill where a cop has it blocked with his car. I politely stop and ask if I am good to ride the road down the hill. He gives me the go-ahead. I get about 2/3s down, round a blind corner, and get stopped by 3 guys at the bottom. They make me detour off the road, through a wash and around the scene.

Almost feels like the same case, but I didn't get arrested. The cops watching the scene merely said the guy up top was wrong to let me through. Cops get it wrong all the time.

[noteggs]

Per a tweet, the local news requested it already and got back an automated response that it will take months to process the request. If the body cam helps the cop's narrative, I have a feeling that timeline will be speed up. If it doesn't, I am sure that will request will find its way to the bottom of the stack.

Well sounds like cop either wasn’t wearing a body camera or it wasn’t on according to the Mayor. Interesting

Said they have a camera across the street. Don’t think that’s going tell the whole story.

[Xville]

Typical politician covering for a police force that he has had over a year to fix and has failed.

Went out there again yesterday and it’s the most confusing traffic situation I have ever seen. Cones effing everywhere, zero signs, and overpopulation of a traffic police force that’s not necessary

[GoMuskies]

I love that Bryson is wearing his Crushers hat on Sunday at a major.

[Xville]

1. Xander may finally get one

2. Are Rory and Amanda playing just the tip?

[GoMuskies]

Thank God Bryson made that putt or this would be boring to finish.

[xudash]

I love that Bryson is wearing his Crushers hat on Sunday at a major.

A 220-yard 8-Iron within 5 feet of the pin. I thought I heard 198-MPH ball speed on a drive. Just sick.

[Xville]

Thank God Bryson made that putt or this would be boring to finish.

He certainly brought the energy the last few days and the crowds have loved him
. I like Xander’s game, but he’s boring as hell. Him also being buddies with cantlay makes me almost dislike him.

[GoMuskies]

Fun finish.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well
He broke the all time record.. So there's that.

[Xville]

County prosecutor says he isn't dropping the charges. This will play out as a training course on how not to get reelected.

[Smails]

County prosecutor says he isn't dropping the charges.

I'm floored..

You have Scotties attorney who said they would not accept any kind of deal and would go to court if necessary. I hope they are both playing chicken because this would be a monumental waste of just about everything if this goes to court

[xuwillie]

After watching the new video I'm utterly shocked Louisville PD didn't drop this case on Monday. What an awful look for Louisville right now

[Xville]

After watching the new video I'm utterly shocked Louisville PD didn't drop this case on Monday. What an awful look for Louisville right now

I'm not shocked because the Louisville PD is an effing joke. It's to the point now, where I don't believe one word a police officer ever says about an incident. I know there are some good ones out there, but there have been way too many incidents where cops have been caught flat out lying about what took place. A few bad ones have effed it up for everyone else.

Oh and shocking the cop didn't turn on his body cam....why would he when his own police chief didn't a few years ago during a deadly interaction.

[xuwillie]

I'm not shocked because the Louisville PD is an effing joke. It's to the point now, where I don't believe one word a police officer ever says about an incident. I know there are some good ones out there, but there have been way too many incidents where cops have been caught flat out lying about what took place. A few bad ones have effed it up for everyone else.

Oh and shocking the cop didn't turn on his body cam....why would he when his own police chief didn't a few years ago during a deadly interaction.

He literally threw himself into Shcefflers car. Wtf

[Xville]

all charges against Scheffler dropped. LMPD is getting off really easy here, and they are extremely lucky that Scheffler is such a good person. He could have easily sued, and would have won. His lawyer was extremely pissed off during that press conference...that's a guy I'd want if I were ever in trouble.

[Xville]

I can't believe this is real, especially the PS part. No video, several eyewitnesses who said it never happened, but instead of just going away quietly, has to double down on his stupidity.

https://x.com/wardjolles/status/1795934251432525987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1795934251432525987%7Ctwgr% 5E628696bad2aec4e6eab2b05d81fb34268ac9e5ab%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fathlonsports.com%2Fgolf%2Fde tective-bryan-gillis-new-statement-goes-viral-after-scottie-scheffler-decision

[paulxu]

2 decades on the job...and he fails to turn on his body camera?
Sure.

[bobbiemcgee]

RIP Grayson Murray

[GoMuskies]

RIP Grayson Murray

T43 at the PGA Championship and a week later dead from suicide. Hard to fathom.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well it wasn't because he was broke.....3.4 m including 1.4 at this years Sony

[GoMuskies]

I didn't see Kokrak or Pope on any of the US Open qualifying results. Kokrak said he was going to play the Columbus qualifier, but he must have changed his mind, because he's not on the list I saw.