UC Basketball to US Bank Arena?

[Xaveriana]

Longtime University of Cincinnati beat writer and columnist Bill Koch writes in Paul Daugherty's The Morning Line...Move UC basketball downtown to US Bank Arena. My initial thought is those two deserve each other...a washed up arena and an irrelevant basketball program. You have my vote. :pointandlaugh:

http://www.crowdsafe.com/Images/NewsAndViews/Cincinnati_Riverfront_Coliseum.jpg

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/daugherty/2013/06/20/the-morning-line-620-move-uc-basketball-downtown/

[blueblob06]

UC Athletic Director - "How can I figure out a way to get EVEN LESS students to attend the games?...I got it!"

[RealDeal]

Look at the direction of these programs, X builds a state of the art college arena to move the games to campus, and UC wants to move their games off campus to an awful venue for basketball. And don't tell me that place will ever be a decent BB arena unless they tear it down and start over. Sounds about right. They is smart.

[STL_XUfan]

But but but but.....now what neutral site will be used for the "crosstown shooto..errrr.... enjoyment of each other's company, no homo, game"?

[LadyMuskie]

Is there any place on earth reeking of more desperation than Clifton? Maybe the Bachelor. But, Clifton may have even surpassed that at this point.

[PMI]

It's all just part of the program's magnificent campaign of moving backwards in the college basketball world, along with their inclusion in the AAC and their chicken shit decision not to play at Cintas anymore. They should be heading towards $5 general admission and bleacher seats any day now.

[LadyMuskie]

Can't wait to see the short-shorts uniforms!

[RealDeal]

It's all just part of the program's magnificent campaign of moving backwards in the college basketball world, along with their inclusion in the AAC and their chicken shit decision not to play at Cintas anymore. They should be heading towards $5 general admission and bleacher seats any day now.

http://www.groupon.com/deals/university-of-cincinnati-athletics-1

[blueblob06]

http://www.groupon.com/deals/university-of-cincinnati-athletics-1

HAAAAA! That is hilarious. Wow.

[sgarcia]

Can we rent out Schmidt Fieldhouse to UC? That's about how many people currently go to their games.

[xubrew]

Moving UC to the Cintas Center makes no sense at all, but it still makes infinitely more sense than moving them downtown.

When I first moved to Cincinnati (1998, my freshman year), UC basketball was the game in town. They were bigger than the Reds and Bengals (neither of whom were good). In July, which has got to be the least eventful basketball month, people were still talking UC basketball. Most people who are younger than me might not believe this, but UC basketball was actually a much bigger deal BEFORE they joined the Big East. My God, talk about an implosion. There are games where there are less than 5000 people there now. The team isn't bad. It's not top ten, but it's not bad. They've been to two three straight tournaments, and made a Sweet Sixteen. They're one of the least supported decent teams in the country.

[nuts4xu]

I think the idea is to move UC Basketball to a renovated US Bank Arena. It is sad that a town known for great college basketball, doesn't have an arena to hold NCAA tournament games. The idea could work, but it won't at the current US Bank.

If they were to build a state of the art facility, perhaps a smaller version of the Yum Center in Louisville, I can see a case for UC playing their basketball downtown. With the revitalization of downtown, all that is happening at the Banks, it would be a great place to have your home games. If they had a Banks like entertainment district near the Cintas Center, it would have to enhance the game day experience. Clifton is basically just up the hill from downtown, so it isn't like they are moving their games to Bethel or Harrison Ohio. If the city ever moves forward with the planned street car, it could offer inexpensive transportation for the students to attend games.

I can see a very good case for moving UC basketball to a new state of the art facility downtown. I don't know how they could turn that pig US Bank arena into a swan, it just doesn't seem like it would be feasible to renovate that old dinosaur. Building something new, and I have no idea how it would be financed, seems it would be more cost effective than fixing up a dated 1970's arena. Playing downtown has been done, Louisville draws well to their place downtown, UC played their games on the banks of the mighty Ohio River in the 80's....but I don't know if it would work with their current pathetic attendance.

Most of the UC fans I speak to, cite that crappy Fifth Third Arena as one of the primary reasons they don't go to games. That place sucks big time, and even with improved play the past couple of years, they still rarely sell out. It would be interesting to see if that would change with a new arena or if the novelty would wear off quickly and UC continues to play in front of 5000 people.

[xubrew]

I've been to US Bank Arena. It's not a gem, but I've been in places that are far worse. I definitely think it gets a C. Not an A, but not an F either. It gets the job done.

I don't think it's too run down to host NCAA games either. Again, I've been in worse places. I don't know where Koch got that idea from. Chances are that neither UC or Xavier want to host games. Why would they?? Essentially, you're doing a lot of work and providing all the event management for the NCAA free of charge. No thanks. Let someone else do all the work. On top of that, you cannot be placed in the region if you're hosting it.

I think that's the issue with the tournament. Plane and simple. It's a lot of extra work for the school that's hosting with no real benefit. X and UC both know this, and say no thanks.

[paulxu]

Building something new, and I have no idea how it would be financed, seems it would be more cost effective than fixing up a dated 1970's arena.

Check with the folks in Chicago.

[casualfan]

IF this happens it will be after a massive overhaul to U.S. Bank. I actually think this would be an excellent move for UC given the recent improvements to downtown and the growing population of young professionals living in the downtown area (many of whom went to UC).

It's funny that people are bashing this. I get that anytime any news related to UC comes across people will find a way to poo poo about it, but this could actually be a huge benefit to the city and more specifically Xavier.

IF the arena is renovated properly it would help with getting more concerts and shows to the city which is obviously a good thing. You would also have the possibility of the AAC tourney being held here which would bring lots of people to our city who otherwise wouldn't visit

The more direct impact on Xavier would be the chance for the arena to host tournament games. With UC being the home tenant they would be the host school for the games which would preclude them from playing there. This would not preclude us from playing tourney games down there which would be a great deal for Xavier.

[paulxu]

No thanks. Let someone else do all the work. On top of that, you cannot be placed in the region if you're hosting it.

I think that's the issue with the tournament. Plane and simple. It's a lot of extra work for the school that's hosting with no real benefit. X and UC both know this, and say no thanks.

So you're saying the people in Dayton aren't very bright?

[xubrew]

So you're saying the people in Dayton aren't very bright?

Pretty much.

I know a lot of them don't like doing it. I don't blame them.

I think it would suck to work for an athletic department, and have the men's team make the tournament, and then be told you can't go because you have to stay home and help with event management. That would more than suck. No thanks.

Now, que the jokes on how UD never has to worry about that.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

I've been to US Bank Arena. It's not a gem, but I've been in places that are far worse. I definitely think it gets a C. Not an A, but not an F either. It gets the job done.

I don't think it's too run down to host NCAA games either. Again, I've been in worse places. I don't know where Koch got that idea from. Chances are that neither UC or Xavier want to host games. Why would they?? Essentially, you're doing a lot of work and providing all the event management for the NCAA free of charge. No thanks. Let someone else do all the work. On top of that, you cannot be placed in the region if you're hosting it.

I think that's the issue with the tournament. Plane and simple. It's a lot of extra work for the school that's hosting with no real benefit. X and UC both know this, and say no thanks.

Bobinski tried to get the NCAA tourney back here but they told them it would never happen until US Bank underwent a major renovation. The place is a dump with terrible site lines and birds in the rafters. Obviously you don't get to play there but hosting the tourney would be a huge money maker for the city. There's a reason cities fight for the right to host them, and with our location you would always sell it out with UK, UL, IU, OSU, Butler, ect all close by.

[X-band '01]

Without an NHL or NBA team, there's virtually no chance of a new arena and very little chance of major renovations anytime soon.

[xubrew]

I don't think city officials play any role whatsoever in the application process. It's individual universities or conference league offices that apply for it, and I get the feeling that in some cases they are solicited into doing so because they want it spread out.

I'd never heard that Bobinski tried to get Xavier to host, but I'm not doubting that it happened. I'm also not doubting that the stated reason was that the arena was in piss poor shape. Having said that, some of the places where they've had it. I mean....wow.

[powerofX]

Without an NHL or NBA team, there's virtually no chance of a new arena and very little chance of major renovations anytime soon.

Kansas City replaced Kemper without either. Would they say it was worth it? Not sure.

[xubrew]

Tulsa has a new arena as well. Although they use it mainly for concerts, it is a nice basketball arena.

I'm not at all endorsing the idea of a new arena in Cincinnati, so I have no idea why I bothered to even mention Tulsa's.

[Kahns Krazy]

In fairness, it does say a major renovation. I'm sure he's thinking of Louisville's new arena, which is world class. No way could the existing structure of US Bank arena be retrofit to anything reasonable. Blow that thing up and start over.

[Cheesehead]

Actually, Xavier did host NCAA games at the US Bank arena and fairly recently... the women's NCAA tournament. Having said this, The place is a dump.

[GoMuskies]

Actually, Xavier did host NCAA games at the US Bank arena and fairly recently... the women's NCAA tournament. Having said this, The place is a dump.

The Women's Final Four in Cincinnati was in like 1997.

[Cheesehead]

The Women's Final Four in Cincinnati was in like 1997.

Yeah, after posted that I looked it up and that just made me feel old. I had no idea it was that long ago. My bad. The place is still a dump.

[wkrq59]

A few (actually more than a few) words:
1. U.S. Bank Arena, nee The Crowne, nee something equally non discript, nee Riverfront Coliseum was built back in the late 1970s as the home of the World Hockey Assn. Stingers. They went out of business in early 1980 and were followed by two other minor league teams, CHL Stingers and CHL Tigers. All poorly run, coached and managed. The arena was modeled after the Metrodome Hockey Arena in Bloomington (Minneapolis) Minn. as home to the NHL Minnesota North Stars. It was designed and built as a hockey arena and is currently owned and operated by Niederlander Entertainment which owns the Cyclones who play in the equivalent of baseball's Class A-AA leagues.
But hockey's not the situation here. Koch and his insane idea of taking UC hoops back downtown is.
2. UC tried basketball downtown before Shoemaker, now 5th third, was built. IT FAILED. The place was a dump then, it is now and it will never change. It's a damned hockey arena. Period. The sightlines are horrible, the restrooms are abominable, the concessions stink, in fact the whole place stinks. UC was so damned desperate to draw better crowds that before Shoemaker-5th was completed, it shared the Gardens with Xavier.
3. Why is Koch (mouthpiece for Cronin) so damned eager to see UC downtown? Easy. Cronin has vowed he will never coach a UC team in Cintas ever again. With U. S. Bank downtown as UC's home arena, he could theoretically force Xavier to play down there for the "good of the series and the city" and never have to come back to Cintas again. The little YTG is well aware that the two-year contract ends this year with crosstown lovein (nee classic, nee Shootout) as Xavier's home game there. If UC can somehow wrangle moving its home games back downtown, it would host Xavier there the first year of a new contract and demand that all future games in the series be played there. I'm certain Xavier lost money playing down there this past year and would continue to lose there both on the court and in the box office.
4. Cintas Center is Xavier's home. If the series doesn't return to Cintas for the 15-16 season drop the damn thing. And let UC take the blame for that little shit refusing to play in Cintas. He hates the series and wants to see it end as soon as possible. How Koch expects UC to draw and fill a 17-thousand plus arena when they seldom fill a 13,000 seat dump now is a mystery to me. They can't and won't. A wonderful downtown experience at the Banks over a 16-18 game season of Presbyterians, Bumfoo Tech and Prairie Scum Academies won't draw any more than Houston, SMU, or any other of the American teams. UC couldn't draw there in the 70s and 80s and they won't draw there in the 2014s and beyond. They don't have the funds to keep the bubble open full time, they don't have the funds to build a new Nippert, expand it to par with ACC teams which they aren't a member of and probably won't be for at least five years if then, and they certainly can't hope to share even a lipstick on a pig arena which is what U.S. Bank would be, with a low minor league hockey team that is the primary tennant. Bad idea, bad proposal, bad concept and just overall bad crap.
Here's an idea: Why not clear out and build seats in the Museum Center under the rotunda and bring the Bearcats down there. There's enough parking and think of the jobs that could be created taking up and putting down the temporary floor. Think of the joys of a movie in the multiplex before or after the games. Think of the babysitting available through paid nannies down in the Children's Museum. Hey, maybe Jeff Ruby or the Gregories could put a couple of restaurants in the joint and offer a fine evening of sports and cuissine all in one drafty place.
:lmao::secret::whew::drool:

[Cheesehead]

If I were out new AD, I would tell Babcock series is returning to Cintas and if they balk I would be on every TV station and in front of every reporter telling folks that big old UC won't play XU. If they don't cave, then as huggs said, F'em. Xavier does not need UC anymore. That might sound arrogant but it is true. Why is Mick so afraid of a school that he has always ripped on?

[Xaveriana]

A few (actually more than a few) words:
1. U.S. Bank Arena, nee The Crowne, nee something equally non discript, nee Riverfront Coliseum was built back in the late 1970s as the home of the World Hockey Assn. Stingers. They went out of business in early 1980 and were followed by two other minor league teams, CHL Stingers and CHL Tigers. All poorly run, coached and managed. The arena was modeled after the Metrodome Hockey Arena in Bloomington (Minneapolis) Minn. as home to the NHL Minnesota North Stars. It was designed and built as a hockey arena and is currently owned and operated by Niederlander Entertainment which owns the Cyclones who play in the equivalent of baseball's Class A-AA leagues.
But hockey's not the situation here. Koch and his insane idea of taking UC hoops back downtown is.
2. UC tried basketball downtown before Shoemaker, now 5th third, was built. IT FAILED. The place was a dump then, it is now and it will never change. It's a damned hockey arena. Period. The sightlines are horrible, the restrooms are abominable, the concessions stink, in fact the whole place stinks. UC was so damned desperate to draw better crowds that before Shoemaker-5th was completed, it shared the Gardens with Xavier.
3. Why is Koch (mouthpiece for Cronin) so damned eager to see UC downtown? Easy. Cronin has vowed he will never coach a UC team in Cintas ever again. With U. S. Bank downtown as UC's home arena, he could theoretically force Xavier to play down there for the "good of the series and the city" and never have to come back to Cintas again. The little YTG is well aware that the two-year contrct ends this year with crosstown lovein (nee classic, nee Shootout) as Xavier's home game there. If UC can somehow wrangle moving its home games back downtown, it would host Xavier there the first year of a new contract and demand that all future games in the series be played there. I'm certain Xavier lost money playing down there this past year and would continue to lose there both on the court and in the box office.
4. Cintas Center is Xavier's home. If the series doesn't return to Cintas for the 15-16 season drop the damn thing. And let UC take the blame for that little shit refusing to play in Cintas. He hates the series and wants to see it end as soon as possible. How Koch expects UC to draw and fill a 17-thousand plus arena when they seldom fill a 13,000 seat dump now is a mystery to me. They can't and won't. A wonderful downtown experience at the Banks over a 16-18 game season of Presbyterians, Bumfoo Tech and Prairie Scum Academies won't draw any more than Houston, SMU, or any other of the American teams. UC couldn't draw there in the 70s and 80s and they won't draw their in the 2014s and beyond. They don't have the funds to keep the bubble open full time, they don't have the funds to build a new Nippert, expand it to par with ACC teams which they aren't a member of and probably won't be for at least five years if then, and they certainly can't hope to share even a lipstick on a pig arena which is what U.S. Bank would be, with a low minor league hockey team that is the primary tennant. Bad idea, bad proposal, bad concept and just overall bad crap.
Here's an idea: Why not clear our and build seats in the Museum Center under the rotunda and bring the Bearcats down there. There's enough parking and think of the jobs that could be created taking up and putting down the temporary floor. Think of the joys of a movie in the multiplex before or after the games. Think of the babysitting available through paid nannies down in the Children's Museum. Hey, maybe Jeff Ruby or the Gregories could put a couple of restaurants in the joint and offer a fine evening of sports and cuissine all in one drafty place.
:lmao::secret::whew::drool:

Q, you are the man. I agree with and love your writing on XH. Thanks for the perspective.

[Masterofreality]

A few (actually more than a few) words:
1. U.S. Bank Arena, nee The Crowne, nee something equally non discript, nee Riverfront Coliseum was built back in the late 1970s as the home of the World Hockey Assn. Stingers. They went out of business in early 1980 and were followed by two other minor league teams, CHL Stingers and CHL Tigers. All poorly run, coached and managed. The arena was modeled after the Metrodome Hockey Arena in Bloomington (Minneapolis) Minn. as home to the NHL Minnesota North Stars. It was designed and built as a hockey arena and is currently owned and operated by Niederlander Entertainment which owns the Cyclones who play in the equivalent of baseball's Class A-AA leagues.
But hockey's not the situation here. Koch and his insane idea of taking UC hoops back downtown is.
2. UC tried basketball downtown before Shoemaker, now 5th third, was built. IT FAILED. The place was a dump then, it is now and it will never change. It's a damned hockey arena. Period. The sightlines are horrible, the restrooms are abominable, the concessions stink, in fact the whole place stinks. UC was so damned desperate to draw better crowds that before Shoemaker-5th was completed, it shared the Gardens with Xavier.
3. Why is Koch (mouthpiece for Cronin) so damned eager to see UC downtown? Easy. Cronin has vowed he will never coach a UC team in Cintas ever again. With U. S. Bank downtown as UC's home arena, he could theoretically force Xavier to play down there for the "good of the series and the city" and never have to come back to Cintas again. The little YTG is well aware that the two-year contrct ends this year with crosstown lovein (nee classic, nee Shootout) as Xavier's home game there. If UC can somehow wrangle moving its home games back downtown, it would host Xavier there the first year of a new contract and demand that all future games in the series be played there. I'm certain Xavier lost money playing down there this past year and would continue to lose there both on the court and in the box office.
4. Cintas Center is Xavier's home. If the series doesn't return to Cintas for the 15-16 season drop the damn thing. And let UC take the blame for that little shit refusing to play in Cintas. He hates the series and wants to see it end as soon as possible. How Koch expects UC to draw and fill a 17-thousand plus arena when they seldom fill a 13,000 seat dump now is a mystery to me. They can't and won't. A wonderful downtown experience at the Banks over a 16-18 game season of Presbyterians, Bumfoo Tech and Prairie Scum Academies won't draw any more than Houston, SMU, or any other of the American teams. UC couldn't draw there in the 70s and 80s and they won't draw their in the 2014s and beyond. They don't have the funds to keep the bubble open full time, they don't have the funds to build a new Nippert, expand it to par with ACC teams which they aren't a member of and probably won't be for at least five years if then, and they certainly can't hope to share even a lipstick on a pig arena which is what U.S. Bank would be, with a low minor league hockey team that is the primary tennant. Bad idea, bad proposal, bad concept and just overall bad crap.
Here's an idea: Why not clear our and build seats in the Museum Center under the rotunda and bring the Bearcats down there. There's enough parking and think of the jobs that could be created taking up and putting down the temporary floor. Think of the joys of a movie in the multiplex before or after the games. Think of the babysitting available through paid nannies down in the Children's Museum. Hey, maybe Jeff Ruby or the Gregories could put a couple of restaurants in the joint and offer a fine evening of sports and cuissine all in one drafty place.
:lmao::secret::whew::drool:

YESSSSSSSS! And it COUNTS!!!!!!!

[xubrew]

If it goes this year the way it did last year, they'll move it back to campus. The game didn't even sell out. This really isn't Mick Cronin's call. It's a fixture game that the administration wants to play, even if the current head coach doesn't.

UC is not moving downtown. It was a ludicrous suggestion. That's not really Mick Cronin's call either, and even if it was, they'd explain to him that there is no way in hell that is happening......after they stopped laughing.

If I were a betting man I'd be willing to bet that it's back on campus after this year.

[paulxu]

It could be a buy game for us next year.

[bjf123]

If I were a betting man I'd be willing to bet that it's back on campus after this year.
I hope you're right, but I have a funny feeling it will be a long time until the game is back on campus.



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[xubrew]

I hope you're right, but I have a funny feeling it will be a long time until the game is back on campus.

I could see it being at US Bank as well. I think they'll move it back, but it wouldn't be too shocking if they didn't.

They will not stop playing it, though. Of that I am almost certain. Regardless of what the coaches want, and I think regardless of what the athletic departments and athletic directors want, they'll keep it going. I'm certain that the decision to donate to the Freedom Center didn't come from anyone who was an athletics administrator. That's just not the decision or idea that any athletic department employee on any campus would come up with. So, that indicates that the people making the decisions are in high places, even higher than the athletic directors. If people in places that high want the game, they're going to get it, regardless of what coaches, sport administrators, or even athletic directors think or feel. Much less, Mick Cronin. It doesn't really matter what he wants to do.

[Muskie]

If UC does play downtown I demand that they install one of those new fancy designed courts? Better yet when we play the Crosstown classic for cheese coneys, peace, and prosperity (or whatever we call it now) how bout a court with skyline entrees emblazoned in the hard wood.

[X-man]

I could see it being at US Bank as well. I think they'll move it back, but it wouldn't be too shocking if they didn't.

They will not stop playing it, though. Of that I am almost certain. Regardless of what the coaches want, and I think regardless of what the athletic departments and athletic directors want, they'll keep it going. I'm certain that the decision to donate to the Freedom Center didn't come from anyone who was an athletics administrator. That's just not the decision or idea that any athletic department employee on any campus would come up with. So, that indicates that the people making the decisions are in high places, even higher than the athletic directors. If people in places that high want the game, they're going to get it, regardless of what coaches, sport administrators, or even athletic directors think or feel. Much less, Mick Cronin. It doesn't really matter what he wants to do.

I am sure I am not alone in this. If they Crosstown Shootout continues, but at USBank Arena, I will never again attend a Shootout. I hate that dump, it is NOT a neutral site, and I will not support a situation in which the YTG (with input, I'm told, from the ex-President of UC) is allowed to dictate the terms under which the Shootout will continue.

[xubrew]

If YTG were dictating the terms, I don't think he would have wanted it moved to a neutral site when it was their turn to play at home, nor do I think he would have wanted all the money given to the Freedom Center, nor do I think he really even knew what the Freedom Center was, nor do I think that...if it were up to him...the game would be played at all. Therefore, I don't think it's up to him. I've got my sources too. But, without revealing them, just think about that for a second. If it were up to YTG, and YTG doesn't want to play, then why are they still playing it after they had the perfect excuse (the fight) to end it??

If the university presidents want the game, and members of the boards of trustees want the game, then it doesn't really matter what anyone else does or does not want.

[muskiefan82]

It is time to change the shootout. It is time to make this a four team battle for Greater Cincinnati. NKU, Miami, Xavier and UC. Seed them each year and play two games. Win two and you are Greater Cincinnati Champion. Some years X and UC will play (most years), but sometimes they won't. The seeds will indicate who plays where. Millett, Bank of Kentucky Center, Cintas, or wherever UC is playing.

[xubrew]

It is time to change the shootout. It is time to make this a four team battle for Greater Cincinnati. NKU, Miami, Xavier and UC. Seed them each year and play two games. Win two and you are Greater Cincinnati Champion. Some years X and UC will play (most years), but sometimes they won't. The seeds will indicate who plays where. Millett, Bank of Kentucky Center, Cintas, or wherever UC is playing.

The thought has crossed my mind. Xavier, UC, UD, Miami, NKU and Wright State are all in different conferences. All the teams could schedule four other opponents, and call it an exempt tournament. Now, the problem is, in the years this occurred you could not play in another exempt tournament and count it as an exempt tournament, but the possibility is there.

Another problem is that there would be one team that you didn't get to play as part of the exempt tournament. But, I guess you could schedule them as a regular OOC game.

[Muskie]

It is time to change the shootout. It is time to make this a four team battle for Greater Cincinnati. NKU, Miami, Xavier and UC. Seed them each year and play two games. Win two and you are Greater Cincinnati Champion. Some years X and UC will play (most years), but sometimes they won't. The seeds will indicate who plays where. Millett, Bank of Kentucky Center, Cintas, or wherever UC is playing.

Part of me likes this idea and part of me hates it.

[GoMuskies]

All of me hates it.

[muskiefan82]

I wouldn't make it an exempt event. Just two games on the schedule. X already plays UC and most of the time Miami. Some years it will be that, some years it will be NKU and Miami/UC. In any event, I think it changes the context without messing up the schedule or removing the ability to participate in exempt events.

[xubrew]

What about just doing what other mythical conferences like the Big Five and the Front Range do, and just play a round robin?? Five teams (or six if we want to include Wright State), four games, one winner. I think the Big Five and Front Range winners even hang banners.

[wkrq59]

All of me hates it.

Go Muskies, I absolutely one-thousand percent agree. There are still a ton of pie in the sky dreamers who think the teams mentioned "Can all get along." They can't, won't and never ever f---ing never ever will. The days of double headers are gone. Television has seen to that. How many doubleheaders are scheduled in MLB???? Never unless they are day night as makeups. Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$ Who the hell in his right mind would ever want to pass up an exempt tourney in Anaheim, Hawaii, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Atlantis, even New Orleans or Mobile Ala. or frigging Alaska to toil over the holidays in U.S. Dump Arena of Millett Hall or UDump Arena or Cincinnati Gardens ---There is too damned much money at stake to schedule a tournament with strictly LOCAL interest. And for those who think Kentucky, Indiana, or Ohio State would want to participate in such an event, hell, there's as much chance of that happening as Presbyterian has of winning the 2014 NCAA Division I basketball Tournament. Yes, it's fun to speculate and talk in the off season about all the wonderful "Wouldn't it be great if....." the local teams could all get together?" No. There is enough venom spewed before the X-UC and X-UD games to last two lifetimes. Why start a tri-cities pissing match???? Bring Duke to Cintas, or Ohio State to Cintas or start a home and home with Thad's team. Bring Arizona here and we go there. Ditto Indiana, any other Big Ten or SEC, or ACC, or Big 12, or Pac 12. But local tournament? Never. And especially in U. S. Barf Arena. Eeeeechhhggghhh! Faggaddaboutit.
:bleh::shocked::spiritfingers::crazy:

[xubrew]

Go Muskies, I absolutely one-thousand percent agree. There are still a ton of pie in the sky dreamers who think the teams mentioned "Can all get along." They can't, won't and never ever f---ing never ever will. The days of double headers are gone. Television has seen to that. How many doubleheaders are scheduled in MLB???? Never unless they are day night as makeups. Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$ Who the hell in his right mind would ever want to pass up an exempt tourney in Anaheim, Hawaii, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Atlantis, even New Orleans or Mobile Ala. or frigging Alaska to toil over the holidays in U.S. Dump Arena of Millett Hall or UDump Arena or Cincinnati Gardens ---There is too damned much money at stake to schedule a tournament with strictly LOCAL interest. And for those who think Kentucky, Indiana, or Ohio State would want to participate in such an event, hell, there's as much chance of that happening as Presbyterian has of winning the 2014 NCAA Division I basketball Tournament. Yes, it's fun to speculate and talk in the off season about all the wonderful "Wouldn't it be great if....." the local teams could all get together?" No. There is enough venom spewed before the X-UC and X-UD games to last two lifetimes. Why start a tri-cities pissing match???? Bring Duke to Cintas, or Ohio State to Cintas or start a home and home with Thad's team. Bring Arizona here and we go there. Ditto Indiana, any other Big Ten or SEC, or ACC, or Big 12, or Pac 12. But local tournament? Never. And especially in U. S. Barf Arena. Eeeeechhhggghhh! Faggaddaboutit.
:bleh::shocked::spiritfingers::crazy:

I wasn't doing anything other than speculating. I know it isn't likely to happen, but as unlikely as it is, it's still far more probable than bringing Duke, Ohio State, Indiana and Arizona to Cintas.

Philadelphia has the Big Five. Colorado (and Wyoming) have the Front Range. It's not as if it isn't done at all. The NCAA Tournament consists of a double header in the afternoon, and another in the evening. The state of Indiana recently instituted the Crossroads, which is a double header in Indianapolis, followed by another OOC game at some point. It's not as if no one is doing it. I don't think all of the mythical Miami Valley teams will do it, but it's not as if no one else is. The Crossroads game between Butler and IU was one of the highest rated OOC games on TV that was played last year.

[muskiefan82]

Go Muskies, I absolutely one-thousand percent agree. There are still a ton of pie in the sky dreamers who think the teams mentioned "Can all get along." They can't, won't and never ever f---ing never ever will. The days of double headers are gone. Television has seen to that. How many doubleheaders are scheduled in MLB???? Never unless they are day night as makeups. Why? $$$$$$$$$$$$ Who the hell in his right mind would ever want to pass up an exempt tourney in Anaheim, Hawaii, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Atlantis, even New Orleans or Mobile Ala. or frigging Alaska to toil over the holidays in U.S. Dump Arena of Millett Hall or UDump Arena or Cincinnati Gardens ---There is too damned much money at stake to schedule a tournament with strictly LOCAL interest. And for those who think Kentucky, Indiana, or Ohio State would want to participate in such an event, hell, there's as much chance of that happening as Presbyterian has of winning the 2014 NCAA Division I basketball Tournament. Yes, it's fun to speculate and talk in the off season about all the wonderful "Wouldn't it be great if....." the local teams could all get together?" No. There is enough venom spewed before the X-UC and X-UD games to last two lifetimes. Why start a tri-cities pissing match???? Bring Duke to Cintas, or Ohio State to Cintas or start a home and home with Thad's team. Bring Arizona here and we go there. Ditto Indiana, any other Big Ten or SEC, or ACC, or Big 12, or Pac 12. But local tournament? Never. And especially in U. S. Barf Arena. Eeeeechhhggghhh! Faggaddaboutit.
:bleh::shocked::spiritfingers::crazy:

WOw, Q. How do you really feel? Again, my idea would not include Dayton. That would be silly. This would not be an exempt tournament, but each team (NKU, MU, UC, and the X) would have two games on their schedule every year and those two games would be against one of the other 3 teams for the first game and the winners meet in game two and the losers in the second game. I agree that this woudl be ridiculous if X had to give up going to exempt tournaments, but why couldn't they do both? What is the difference between this and next year when X plays both UC and Miami? How is it different?

[LA Muskie]

I'm with Brew on this.

[Xman95]

It's all just part of the program's magnificent campaign of moving backwards in the college basketball world

They probably figure if they go back far enough, they'll be relevant again.

[paulxu]

This is all so much crap.
It's a rivalry game; play it on alternating home courts. I've got an idea...call it the Crosstown Shootout.
So there was a fight. Big deal. There are fights all the time.
Duke plays in a small place...UNC plays in a big place. Who cares.
Why screw with a great tradition. They f'ed up going downtown. If UC wants that as their home court...who cares.
Just play the damn game.

[muskiefan82]

If only X could replace UC with UK. That would be better. Even better than OSU, I think.

[danaandvictory]

All of me hates it.

Inanimate objects in my vicinity hate it.

[GoMuskies]

If only X could replace UC with UK. That would be better. Even better than OSU, I think.

If I were in charge, I would be willing to play a home and home with UK where our home game is downtown and UK gets half the tickets. Same with Louisville (which is a deal Xavier actually did with Louisville in different times).

[xubrew]

Every time the subject of playing at US Bank comes up, this board goes ballistic. It's actually kind of fun to watch. So, at least there is a silver lining to playing down there.

If we agreed to a home and home with Dayton where we played at UD Arena and then US Bank Arena, just imagine it. This place would be an online psych ward during a full moon.

With all proceeds going to the Freedom Center, of course.

[xubrew]

If I were in charge, I would be willing to play a home and home with UK where our home game is downtown and UK gets half the tickets. Same with Louisville (which is a deal Xavier actually did with Louisville in different times).

How long ago was that?? I remember Louisville playing Xavier at US Bank (or whatever it was called at the time), but thought it was during the NIT. Xavier won, BTW.

[GoMuskies]

How long ago was that?? I remember Louisville playing Xavier at US Bank (or whatever it was called at the time), but thought it was during the NIT. Xavier won, BTW.

I was at the NIT game. Great game. But Louisville went back and beat the Muskies at Riverfront Coliseum in maybe '92 or '94. Xavier went to Louisville and blew a late lead in Freedom Hall in '93.

[muskiefan82]

I was at the NIT game. Great game. But Louisville went back and beat the Muskies at Riverfront Coliseum in maybe '92 or '94. Xavier went to Louisville and blew a late lead in Freedom Hall in '93.

X beats Louisville when they have to. 2004.

[xubrew]

They don't play often, but Xavier has won more than their share. They also beat them up in Alaska during the 98-99 year. That game ended crazily because they were playing with the experimental rule that if a team was fouled they could opt to not shoot freethrows, so the game ended in a virtual wrestling match.

I actually would favor the series Go mentioned. Louisville hardly ever plays true OOC road games, though. Xavier's the same way, for that matter.

[muskiefan82]

If I were in charge, I would be willing to play a home and home with UK where our home game is downtown and UK gets half the tickets. Same with Louisville (which is a deal Xavier actually did with Louisville in different times).

I would rather play at the Bank of Kentucky Center than US Bank.

[xubrew]

I would rather play at the Bank of Kentucky Center than US Bank.

Kentucky may actually be more willing to do it. They played a series of "neutral" games at US Bank Arena before. It also seems that they're more willing to play away from home than Louisville is. They don't like playing true road games, but they like showcase games on neutral floors.

I still think it's unlikely, but not as unlikely as getting Louisville to do it.

[GoMuskies]

This would have been the year to strike with Louisville. Being in the AAC, they actually need a respectable OOC schedule. They didn't need that last year, and they won't need it next year, either.

[xubrew]

This would have been the year to strike with Louisville. Being in the AAC, they actually need a respectable OOC schedule. They didn't need that last year, and they won't need it next year, either.

Agreed. I hadn't thought of that.

Any idea who they are playing out of conference other than Kentucky??

I believe it was two years ago where Louisville played one true road OOC game. It was at Western Kentucky. It was a work of art. They didn't leave the state, and barely left the city, until mid-January. I for one enjoyed watching Morehead State beat them in the NCAAs.

UConn has beefed up their schedule big time. Not sure if Louisville is doing the same or not.

[GoMuskies]

That "road" game against WKU was in Nashville. So they did leave the state, but it made it a much easier "road" environment to play in.

And I cannot find anything on Louisville's schedule for this year.

[xubrew]

That "road" game against WKU was in Nashville. So they did leave the state, but it made it a much easier "road" environment to play in.

And I cannot find anything on Louisville's schedule for this year.

Ahh. I stand corrected.

[paulxu]

Down here they made the SEC teams turn in their OOC schedules to the conference office to be OKed.
They wanted to make sure no one was padding it or something. Have no idea at this point what would have happened if they didn't like it.
How do you change a buy game? Tell the team sorry?
Frank Martin said something about being in kindergarten.

[GoMuskies]

I think Frank Martin actually said they tried to schedule a kindergarten. But he decided they were too tough for his Gamecocks.

[xubrew]

Ever since he was on the selection committee, Mike Slive wants the SEC to collectively play a tougher OOC schedule. Making them submit it for approval is a bit extreme, though.

[paulxu]

I think Frank Martin actually said they tried to schedule a kindergarten. But he decided they were too tough for his Gamecocks.

Speaking of him, why did you airmail him to the Cocks? Did he not like being second banana to Self, or was it a money deal.

[GoMuskies]

Speaking of him, why did you airmail him to the Cocks? Did he not like being second banana to Self, or was it a money deal.

Something weird went down at the end between him and K-State. I think it was just a matter of him wanting/having to get out to somewhere....anywhere. And South Carolina just happened to be looking.

[paulxu]

Something weird went down at the end between him and K-State. I think it was just a matter of him wanting/having to get out to somewhere....anywhere. And South Carolina just happened to be looking.

He's got his work cut out for him in football land.

[waggy]

Something weird went down at the end between him and K-State. I think it was just a matter of him wanting/having to get out to somewhere....anywhere. And South Carolina just happened to be looking.

Thought I read where he gave the trademark psycho staredown to one of his bosses?

[xubrew]

Martin and the A.D. disagreed on a few things.

[coasterville95]

BoK center is a much nicer arena than US Bank, and they seem to have parking flow figured out as well. But it seats a bit less than Cintas so not really any point in playing there. The only time we should play at BoK Center is if we made a home/home deal with NKU.

[xu95]

I would be extremely pissed if we ever played a home and home with NKU.

[xubrew]

I would be extremely pissed if we ever played a home and home with NKU.

I wouldn't mind it. If they gave us a nice chunk of the tickets when the game is at their place it would actually make more sense than playing a regular buy game.