What is in the water up there?

[Muskie1000]

Parties out of control, bad and structurally unsound housing and now people falling/jumping from the balconies. I thought Dayton people always say how great it is up there. Apparently not so much.

http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/region_east_cincinnati/sycamore_township/second-university-of-dayton-student-falls-from-dorm-building

[xubrew]

It's probably a coincidence, but that is a very bizarre and unfortunate coincidence.

[ballyhoohoo]

This happened to a pledge in my fraternity on pinning night back when I was in school.

[Kahns Krazy]

I don't think there are balconies on that building. This one was at 4:30 in the afternoon. With very limited information, this sounds like a troubled student.

[Juice]

I don't think there are balconies on that building. This one was at 4:30 in the afternoon. With very limited information, this sounds like a troubled student.

Correct on the no balconies

[Muskie1000]

Well that's a brilliant move.

[xubrew]

I'm not a psychologist, so if this sounds ignorant or incensitive, I apoligize.

I've heard people say that some suicide attempts are just a cry for help. If that is true, then I think someone attempting suicide would do it in a way where there is a high probability of being caught before they're able to go through with it.

I've known people who attempted suicide...or claim that they have. I also know one person who did kill themselves. The thing about the person that did kill himself is that in the day or two leading up to it, he seemed completely at ease. Even happy. A friend of mine that is a counselor said this is a common symptom because in the mind of the person, they see suicide as a way of working out and resolving whatever conflicts they have, and it actually puts them at ease. That actually makes some sense to me.

This is what I don't get. If it's a cry for help, then chances are the person want someone to stop them . If it's a genuine desire to be dead, then the person doesn't want anyone to know and they'll want to do something that will assure death. Jumping off of a six story building doesn't seem to me to fall into either category. Is it a "cry for help?" They actually did go through with it, so maybe not. But, was it a legitimate attempt?? The reason I cant' help but ask is because falling six floors does not assure death. It can certainly cause death, but not all the time. You may just end up hurting yourself really badly.

For something like that to happen twice in a week......it just seems very strange.

[DoubleD86]

I'm not a psychologist, so if this sounds ignorant or incensitive, I apoligize.

I've heard people say that some suicide attempts are just a cry for help. If that is true, then I think someone attempting suicide would do it in a way where there is a high probability of being caught before they're able to go through with it.

I've known people who attempted suicide...or claim that they have. I also know one person who did kill themselves. The thing about the person that did kill himself is that in the day or two leading up to it, he seemed completely at ease. Even happy. A friend of mine that is a counselor said this is a common symptom because in the mind of the person, they see suicide as a way of working out and resolving whatever conflicts they have, and it actually puts them at ease. That actually makes some sense to me.

This is what I don't get. If it's a cry for help, then chances are the person want someone to stop them . If it's a genuine desire to be dead, then the person doesn't want anyone to know and they'll want to do something that will assure death. Jumping off of a six story building doesn't seem to me to fall into either category. Is it a "cry for help?" They actually did go through with it, so maybe not. But, was it a legitimate attempt?? The reason I cant' help but ask is because falling six floors does not assure death. It can certainly cause death, but not all the time. You may just end up hurting yourself really badly.

For something like that to happen twice in a week......it just seems very strange.

I hope saying this isn't out of line, but the kid who did die is a Cincinnati native. Those who know him and were close to him are convinced he did not and would not commit suicide. I have heard conflicting rumors on whether or not he was pledging a fraternity, but many believe this had something to do with it. Regardless of how, his family and friends believe he was accidentally or purposefully pushed out of the window. They have even hired the attorney who handled the FAMU band hazing case to represent them.

If this post is deemed inappropriate due to conjecture or just sensitivity, please feel free to delete it.

[kyxu]

Those who know him and were close to him are convinced he did not and would not commit suicide.

I could never understand how anyone could ever say something like that with any certainty.

[waggy]

I could never understand how anyone could ever say something like that with any certainty.

So everyone you know you could envision killing themselves?

[kyxu]

So everyone you know you could envision killing themselves?

Wow, helluva leap there.

My point was that no one can really say with any certainty the extent of another individual's despair. A lot of people with deep, deep depression don't always express it.

[DoubleD86]

Wow, helluva leap there.

My point was that no one can really say with any certainty the extent of another individual's despair. A lot of people with deep, deep depression don't always express it.

Generally, I agree with you. Furthermore, many who do commit suicide do not show any signs and it is a shock to those who know them. I am not saying I believe one way or the other, just that there are some oddities to the story and that the family is so convinced he did not do this that they hired a high-profile and expensive attorney with experience in hazing accidents.