Scathing article about Jordan Crawford

[Xpectations]

I've seen several articles slamming his selfishness and total disregard for playing defense. This article is definitely not kind to Jordan. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1596661-is-jordan-crawford-a-long-term-fit-for-boston-celtics)

[ammtd34]

Most of the comments seem to disagree. It'd be tough to come into a new system from a pathetic team and learn everything as you go.

[DC Muskie]

This is why the internet sucks. Bleacher Report thinks it has an original, exciting piece that would interest people. If Crawford is so terrible and will fade into obscurity, why bother even highlighting it?

I don't think people remember the Celtics traded FOR him. While John Wall was out along with pretty much everyone else, Crawford was the only guy who could score.

That's not to suggest that Crawford is easy to play with. But I could give two shits what Rondo would do to him. Rondo's not playing right now, so what?

I guess I'm a little tired of the Crawford bashing.

[SixFig]

Maybe. But this is coming from Bleacher Report aka Live from my parents basement

[ballyhoohoo]

Maybe. But this is coming from Bleacher Report aka Live from my parents basement

I have a buddy who used to "write" for bleacher report covering MMA and the colts. He quit doing it as it didn't pay and they always said there was someone new coming up next. They are hacks looking for free content.

[DC Muskie]

I have a buddy who used to "write" for bleacher report covering MMA and the colts. He quit doing it as it didn't pay and they always said there was someone new coming up next. They are hacks looking for free content.

And Turner bought this shit for $175 million last year. What a country!

[MHettel]

Nothing about this article- or Crawford himself- surprises me.


He's probably the MOST talented guy ever to come through XU, yet his effort and decision making were spotty at best and downright awful at times. Then of course he'd make an impossible shot and I'd forget all of it.

He is what he is. I give it a 25% chance that he's out of the league in 2 years. I give it a 25% chance that he's a 20PPG scorer in 2 years. And I give a 50% chance that he'll stay in the league, never capitalize on his crazy ability, continue to be an enigma, bouce from team to team, and be the subject of this exact type of article for the next 7-8 years.

One of my favorite players to watch at XU, and probably the number #2 overall draft pick in a "Xavier Fantasy draft" (behind West), but a total headcase.

[bobbiemcgee]

Fans seem to want to give him a chance. Doc still giving him some minutes, so who cares what some pundit writes. He is fun to watch, gives it what he has when he comes in. They got him to come in and score off the bench. He is an SG. "Slouches'? come on. Find a better guy for what he makes? Good Luck.

[PM Thor]

All you have to say is "Bleacher Report" and I know everything I need to know. It's a glorified blog site that gets play for some reason. To quote Barkley, it's turrible.

[XUPhilly04]

Nothing about this article- or Crawford himself- surprises me.


He's probably the MOST talented guy ever to come through XU, yet his effort and decision making were spotty at best and downright awful at times. Then of course he'd make an impossible shot and I'd forget all of it.

He is what he is. I give it a 25% chance that he's out of the league in 2 years. I give it a 25% chance that he's a 20PPG scorer in 2 years. And I give a 50% chance that he'll stay in the league, never capitalize on his crazy ability, continue to be an enigma, bouce from team to team, and be the subject of this exact type of article for the next 7-8 years.

One of my favorite players to watch at XU, and probably the number #2 overall draft pick in a "Xavier Fantasy draft" (behind West), but a total headcase.

Agreed, I think the NBA comparison you are looking for is Jerry Stackhouse. All of the talent is there but the rest is missing. A good scoring 6th man who will bounce from team to team.

[SlimKibbles]

Nothing about this article- or Crawford himself- surprises me.


He's probably the MOST talented guy ever to come through XU, yet his effort and decision making were spotty at best and downright awful at times. Then of course he'd make an impossible shot and I'd forget all of it.

He is what he is. I give it a 25% chance that he's out of the league in 2 years. I give it a 25% chance that he's a 20PPG scorer in 2 years. And I give a 50% chance that he'll stay in the league, never capitalize on his crazy ability, continue to be an enigma, bouce from team to team, and be the subject of this exact type of article for the next 7-8 years.

One of my favorite players to watch at XU, and probably the number #2 overall draft pick in a "Xavier Fantasy draft" (behind West), but a total headcase.

I agree with you. I remember my bro-in-law, who is an IU grad and big fan, telling me about Crawford. The year he sat out, I observed him on the bench sometimes during games while sitting next to Lyons. Caught him sleeping a couple of times. Seemed totally disinterested on the sidelines. Never saw Lyons do that though. Totally turned me off towards Crawford. One of the most talented players I've ever seen in a Xavier uniform, and he had plenty of exciting moments that one season, but I never cared much for him.

[Muskie]

I've seen several articles slamming his selfishness and total disregard for playing defense. This article is definitely not kind to Jordan. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1596661-is-jordan-crawford-a-long-term-fit-for-boston-celtics)

While not scathing, didn't some of us say the same thing when he was here? He took way too many shots, but for the most part they went in so we overlooked it and his deficiencies.

[XUFan09]

I don't think the author is straight up wrong or anything; I think Crawford might be able to make it but I am a bit skeptical. My problem is that the whole article reads like the author had made up his mind before Crawford played a minute in a Celtics uniform. Everything since then is just a case of him looking for a reason to justify his original view of Crawford. Bush league, but I expect nothing less from Bleacher Report.

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[wkrq59]

Love him or hate him. Hasn't changed much. Still, in the NBA, it's much different basketball--if that's what it can be called. Crawford will eventually fit into the system or Doc will send him packing. I'd like to see him have some serious success for only one reason---He is a Xavier man even if he has no degree from X and he was for a short time albeit one of us.

[Xpectations]

The two signature plays that defined Jordan Crawford for me were:


His OT 3 against Kansas State (jump to 1:22 mark). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVEIeD91vIc

And him sitting and watching what turned out to be the final 6 seconds under the basket while Gordon Hayward--who fell 3 seconds AFTER Crawford, but somehow managed to get up and make a huge hustle play--scored the winning basket (jump to 0:17 mark): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfRc_c691es


I haven't watched a lot of Crawford in the NBA but I sense that the same dichotomy of "Incredible Jordan" and "Infuriating Jordan" is what drive fans (and coaches and teammates) nuts.

[gladdenguy]

Wow Xpectations.......I was at that Butler game and even after the fact I don't remember Crawford just laying/sitting out of bounds watching that play unfold. Very telling.

[PMI]

Most of the comments seem to disagree. It'd be tough to come into a new system from a pathetic team and learn everything as you go.

In fairness, the Wizards really aren't a pathetic team at all. They only were when Crawford was playing lots of minutes. I loved him at Xavier, but he was pretty damned selfish in Washington. Since John Wall returned, the Wizards have had something like the fourth best record in the east. With Crawford in the starting lineup, I believe they were something like 3-15. Jordan Crawford loves getting Jordan Crawford big numbers. I root for him to do so, but glad he's trying it somewhere else. In any case, it is not accurate to use the excuse that Crawford was just a good player on a bad team. He was actually a big part of the problem.

[DC Muskie]

In fairness, the Wizards really aren't a pathetic team at all. They only were when Crawford was playing lots of minutes. I loved him at Xavier, but he was pretty damned selfish in Washington. Since John Wall returned, the Wizards have had something like the fourth best record in the east. With Crawford in the starting lineup, I believe they were something like 3-15. Jordan Crawford loves getting Jordan Crawford big numbers. I root for him to do so, but glad he's trying it somewhere else. In any case, it is not accurate to use the excuse that Crawford was just a good player on a bad team. He was actually a big part of the problem.

A lot of that turnaround from earlier in the season is Wall being at full strength and Beal developing before he got hurt. Early in the season no one from the Wizards could hit the backboard, so they were pathetic, and no matter what Jordan did, they were going to suck. They are just less pathetic now.

[MHettel]

Wow Xpectations.......I was at that Butler game and even after the fact I don't remember Crawford just laying/sitting out of bounds watching that play unfold. Very telling.

I made a big deal out of Crawford's laziness THAT DAY. His lack of hustle, and the corresponding extra hustle by Hayward may have cost us that game, which was a Nationally Televised road game against a ranked team that went on to play in the Nat'l championship game.

But of course, I was called a "bad fan" and was roundly chastised by the blind homers here. the things I saw in VERY limited watching of Crawford back then have proven to be exactly what I thought they were.

Players dont change. they are what they are. David West was intense. Justin Cage was quiet and non-descript. Crawford is aloof. Jeff Robinson is unaware. Once you see the characteristics, they are there forever.

[DC Muskie]

I made a big deal out of Crawford's laziness THAT DAY.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYabrQrXt4A

[gladdenguy]

If you say one thing around here without the blue colored glasses you will get crushed. Thats just how it is on this board.

As for that Crawford play......that was ridiculous. Shows a lot about him.

[PMI]

A lot of that turnaround from earlier in the season is Wall being at full strength and Beal developing before he got hurt. Early in the season no one from the Wizards could hit the backboard, so they were pathetic, and no matter what Jordan did, they were going to suck. They are just less pathetic now.

When the Wizards were without Wall and Nene they weren't really a threat to beat anyone, so yea, they were pathetic. At that point, Randy Whitman, who I think is a good coach, had no choice but to let Crawford do his thing. While they were not going to win many games regardless, Crawford was a big part of the problem we were having. Sure, his numbers looked good, and he had some really good games here and there, but overall, he played selfishly and hurt the team more than he helped it. When Wall got back, the team was no longer pathetic. We were in every game and had wins against the best teams in the game. We've actually been a good team with John Wall, regardless of how many people know that or how little that matters. Not just a non-pathetic team, but a good one. Anyway, when Wall got back, you saw Crawford's role diminish to the point where he was sitting on the bench for entire games watching guys like Garrett Temple and AJ Price getting time behind Wall and Beal. There was a reason for this, and it proved to be a good decision by Whitman because the team was winning, running a pretty good offense, and most importantly, playing some of the best defense in the NBA. No, that's not a typo. The Washington Wizards are one of the better defensive teams in the NBA. Being a great defensive team is simply not possible with Jordan Crawford on the floor, and it's not due to lack of ability to defend the way Whitman expects his team to.

So, in short, while I agree that the Wizards were destined to suck pre-Wall regardless of what Crawford did, they sucked in large part because of the undisciplined, selfish way he played, and they started to not only not suck, but be a good team, when they decided to bench and then eventually trade him. I will always root for Jordan, but at this point in his career, he's not a winning player.

[paulxu]

I'm not defending Crawford. And I don't get to see him in person.
But basically he's a 2. The Wizards had paid Beal $4+ million to be a 2. (So he's now a backup2)
Wall is out from Oct-Jan, so Crawford I think has to play a lot at the 1, not his natural position; and I remember comments that he was trying to improve PG aspects of his game.
But wasn't it a no-win situation for him? They have no one of Wall's caliber to be the point, and Crawford ends up getting the heat for the losing streak?

Nevermind if this is way off base.

[Muskie]

If you say one thing around here without the blue colored glasses you will get crushed. Thats just how it is on this board.

As for that Crawford play......that was ridiculous. Shows a lot about him.

Actually it's more when it get's repeated in every thread ad nauseum for weeks on end.

But yes I get your point, there are definitely some wearing Blue Colored glasses here. But I for one enjoy hearing from those that don't.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Funny thing. Just sat down with dinner and the Celtics Nets game is on. Jordan is in and the first possesion I just saw was Jordan Crawford about to shoot a wide open three and in air seeing Courtney Lee open down low for an easier shot and passing it to him for a bucket. And as I am about to post another nice dime to Wilcox for an easy bucket after penetrating the lane.

[Muskie]

Funny thing. Just sat down with dinner and the Celtics Nets game is on. Jordan is in and the first possesion I just saw was Jordan Crawford about to shoot a wide open three and in air seeing Courtney Lee open down low for an easier shot and passing it to him for a bucket. And as I am about to post another nice dime to Wilcox for an easy bucket after penetrating the lane.

All you've proved is that Jordan obviously reads this board.

Welcome Jordan!

[DC Muskie]

Jordan has always been a pretty good passer when he wants to be.

[ammtd34]

He was on the top 10 today for a putback dunk over Reggie Evans. He fouled him, but it looked cool.

Edit: http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2455825/heeddunk_medium.gif

[DC Muskie]

He was on the top 10 today for a putback dunk over Reggie Evans. He fouled him, but it looked cool.

Edit: http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2455825/heeddunk_medium.gif

Thatta boy Jordan!

[xu95]

Actually it's more when it get's repeated in every thread ad nauseum for weeks on end.

But yes I get your point, there are definitely some wearing Blue Colored glasses here. But I for one enjoy hearing from those that don't.

But not on every thread.

[mistabeecee41]

My good friend is a Celtics fan and when he got traded to the Celtics, we joked that Celtics legend/homer Announcer Tommy Heinsohn would despise Crawford and would probably have a heart attack after seeing a 1 on 4 pull-up-fadeaway 27 foot 3.. I have NBA League pass so I've gotten to watch a fair share of Celtics games, and Tommy is actually complaining that Jordan isn't SHOOTING the ball enough and he's passing the ball too much.

[Smails]

If you say one thing around here without the blue colored glasses you will get crushed. Thats just how it is on this board.


I actually think this board has some healthy debates when comes to player and program criticism. The problem is that there is nothing healthy about sounding like a whiny little girl for 6 months.

[Retire33]

I actually think this board has some healthy debates when comes to player and program criticism. The problem is that there is nothing healthy about sounding like a whiny little girl for 6 months.

Spot on!

[paulxu]

Jordan has always been a pretty good passer when he wants to be.

He almost looks like a PG in some of these videos.

http://celticshub.com/2013/04/11/jordan-crawford-is-the-nbas-most-underrated-passer/

[PMI]

Here's an interesting article on Crawford where he blames everyone in Washington for his unhappiness and takes no responsibility for the team being a loser (even though it miraculously became one of the best teams in the east after he left.) I'm positive there will never be a bigger gap between how much I loved a player at Xavier and how disappointed I am with him as an NBA player. Kid is a good attitude away from being a serious baller, but he's VERY far away.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/jordan-crawford-enjoying-time-in-boston/2013/04/30/34d5f51a-b1f0-11e2-9fb1-62de9581c946_story.html

[LA Muskie]

Here's an interesting article on Crawford where he blames everyone in Washington for his unhappiness and takes no responsibility for the team being a loser (even though it miraculously became one of the best teams in the east after he left.) I'm positive there will never be a bigger gap between how much I loved a player at Xavier and how disappointed I am with him as an NBA player. Kid is a good attitude away from being a serious baller, but he's VERY far away.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/jordan-crawford-enjoying-time-in-boston/2013/04/30/34d5f51a-b1f0-11e2-9fb1-62de9581c946_story.html
Two things strike me about that article. First, the writer clearly had it out for him -- it's a hatchet job. You can tell from the quotes. Journalists clean up quotes all the time to make them sound like english sentences. Lee wanted to make Crawford look like he can't even speak the language.

Second, while it's admittedly part of the hatchet job, I don't like Crawford's "me" focus. Who the hell cares about triple doubles and averages -- don't forget my 5 RPG!!! -- when you are losing?

[PMI]

Two things strike me about that article. First, the writer clearly had it out for him -- it's a hatchet job. You can tell from the quotes. Journalists clean up quotes all the time to make them sound like english sentences. Lee wanted to make Crawford look like he can't even speak the language.

Second, while it's admittedly part of the hatchet job, I don't like Crawford's "me" focus. Who the hell cares about triple doubles and averages -- don't forget my 5 RPG!!! -- when you are losing?

Eh, you can call it a hatchet job all you like, but are you familiar with Michael Lee? That's not usually his style (and believe me, I hate 95% of the Washington Post writers) to be a basher. It's far from the first time Crawford's quotes weren't cleaned up in the Post either, so I don't read much into that. The guy is not, shall we say, "well-spoken." On the other hand, Lee does work for the WASHINGTON Post which covers the Wizards, so yes, there's going to be a little slant toward the exact reality that is Jordan Crawford's immaturity. Crawford has had the "me focus" since he came to the Wizards, and it's what led to him becoming the kind of player who fell out of favor with everyone. Not just Lee and the media, but the fans, coaches, teammates, and entire organization too. Of course, if you ask Crawford, it's just everyone else who is unfairly targeting him.

Here's the thing. Washingtonians like triple doubles and 40 point games as much as the next fan base. Washington wants its players to be great. I remember when Gilbert Arenas did those kinds of things routinely, and the town loved him. The difference is, we were winning, and Gilbert's individual accomplishments helped the team reach levels of success we hadn't had in awhile before or since. Jordan Crawford's individual accomplishments, which he clearly hold in such high regards, were often achieved at the EXPENSE of the good of the team, not for the benefit of it. That is just the plain, simple fact of the matter. It's not fair to blame him entirely for how bad we were, but he was an easy target for two reasons. First, before Wall returned, he was one of the few (perhaps only) player we had with the talent to steal some wins for us that we shouldn't have gotten. Second, he refused to play within the system, especially defensively, and thus used that talent only to pad his own stats, and it was a huge detriment to the team. He fell out of favor here because he played selfishly and it hurt the team. Had Lee flat out said that, he'd be telling the complete and total truth. Thus, the fact that he only implied it, and used the direct and telling quotes from Crawford himself, makes the article far from what I consider a hatchet job.

[PMI]

By the way, I love the last quote. "Let the haters hate." Why is it that every time someone is on the wrong side of an argument, they cop out by saying everyone else is just a hater? It always happens. Hey Jordan, absolutely NOBODY asked you to be Superman. You decided you were going to take on that role yourself, against the wishes of everyone else and to the detriment of your team. Way to totally miss what everyone was actually asking out of you, and chalking us all up as haters because you just don't get it.

[mistabeecee41]

Here's an interesting article on Crawford where he blames everyone in Washington for his unhappiness and takes no responsibility for the team being a loser (even though it miraculously became one of the best teams in the east after he left.) I'm positive there will never be a bigger gap between how much I loved a player at Xavier and how disappointed I am with him as an NBA player. Kid is a good attitude away from being a serious baller, but he's VERY far away.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/jordan-crawford-enjoying-time-in-boston/2013/04/30/34d5f51a-b1f0-11e2-9fb1-62de9581c946_story.html

you're making it seem like Jordan Crawford leaving is what turned the team around. John Wall came back and they turned it around. Crawford had to try to lead that team with Wall, Beal, Nene and Ariza all out. If you threw John Wall onto the court during those games and took Crawford out, they woulda been just as bad.

Granted, Crawford does sound immature and bitter, but in his defense - teams that have been as bad as Washington will always have a scapegoat. If my employer put me in a shitty, no-win situation and then blamed me for their faults, I'd be bitter as well. A few years ago, Wizards fans claimed that Blatche was the cancer and once he was gone, they'd be a playoff team. That didn't happen so then it was Nick Youngs turn. Didn't happen again so now it's Crawford turn. If the Wizards don't make the playoffs next year, they'll be calling for Wall's head.

[mistabeecee41]

really? nobody asked him to be superman? look at this roster you had assembled in December.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AsDarpLIKaxuh7hXmMTUMzKkvLYF?gid=201 2122108

[PMI]

you're making it seem like Jordan Crawford leaving is what turned the team around. John Wall came back and they turned it around. Crawford had to try to lead that team with Wall, Beal, Nene and Ariza all out. If you threw John Wall onto the court during those games and took Crawford out, they woulda been just as bad.

Granted, Crawford does sound immature and bitter, but in his defense - teams that have been as bad as Washington will always have a scapegoat. If my employer put me in a shitty, no-win situation and then blamed me for their faults, I'd be bitter as well. A few years ago, Wizards fans claimed that Blatche was the cancer and once he was gone, they'd be a playoff team. That didn't happen so then it was Nick Youngs turn. Didn't happen again so now it's Crawford turn. If the Wizards don't make the playoffs next year, they'll be calling for Wall's head.

Well it's clear to me that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about when it comes to the Washington Wizards, no offense. How many Wizards games did you watch this year? I watched about, conservatively guessing, 75% of them. First off, I did not come out and say that Crawford leaving completely turned the team around. It did, however, do wonders for the flow of the game and team chemistry, and any player who wouldn't tell you that would just be biting their tongue in the spirit of not trying to cause controversy. You see, they actually DID try to keep Crawford in the main rotation when John Wall came back. The problem is, Crawford does not play well (or hard) without the ball in his hands, and his role very quickly diminished. Sorry, but if you can't see the difference between John Wall and Jordan Crawford, I'm probably not able to help you. Replacing Wall with Crawford amongst that awful group of scrubs we had back in in the first couple months would not have turned us into a playoff team, no doubt. But we'd have had several more wins, we'd have played much better defense (which is what the Wizards did at a VERY HIGH level once the Crawford era ended) and would've had better team chemistry. John Wall is respected by his teammates and coaches, and for the most part, does what is asked of him.

The Wizards had the fourth best record in the East with John Wall in the lineup. That's not just a small sample size either, and they did it by beating a lot of good teams, not just shitty ones. They were one of the best defensive teams in the East when they had their guys in. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind they would've been a playoff team with a healthy roster all year. They'd have been one and done, but in nonetheless. That's the kind of difference Wall makes, as well as the other injured players, but it also speaks to how poorly things ran when Crawford gave himself the green light to do whatever he wanted, knowing damn well he could get away with it to an extent. The great team defense, unselfish ball movement, and Randy Whitman's system simply don't work with Jordan Crawford playing the way he felt like playing. That is not an opinion on my part, but a fact. Believe me, I played the role of Crawford apologist around these parts as long as I possibly could before facing the truth.

And yes, guys like Blatche and Young absolutely were a cancer. The Wizards fans who claimed they'd be better without them were absolutely right. Again, a healthy Wizards team this year is in the postseason. I'm glad they aren't, because I'd rather take my chances in the lottery than get bounced by the Heat or Knicks in 4 games, but they would have been. To call Crawford a scapegoat in a hopeless situation is an incredible stretch, and the proof is in the pudding. I haven't heard one person around here say JC wasn't talented, but I've also hardly heard anyone who thinks he's a decent teammate, unselfish player, or someone who will be missed here. He made his own reputation, and it's a fair one. I'm sorry that he clearly doesn't get it, nor do the Xavier fans (who I don't blame) who want to blindly defend him because he is one of ours. I truly want to see him start to get it. But he's a long way off, and the quotes in that article prove it.

[GoMuskies]

How many Wizards games did you watch this year? I watched about, conservatively guessing, 75% of them.

Good God, that's horrible. How did you get your eyes to stop bleeding?

[PMI]

Good God, that's horrible. How did you get your eyes to stop bleeding?

Substances. And lots of them.

[DC Muskie]

The wizards won 2 games on the road. Healthy or not, they were pretty bad on the road.

Jordan is not a leader and the Wizards have been a mess. Jordan is just another character of a long line of characters that have made up the Wizards for the past ten years. I would certainly hope with the return of their number 1 overall pick, the Wizards would improve.

Jordan was the only one who could score when all of the injuries hit and Beal wasn't that ready. But like PMI said, the guy just doesn't play if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, and defense is a rumor.

For me it's going to be interesting to see what next story line the press can present about the Wizards because they don't have any right now. Hopefully it's about winning. At least win more on the road.

[GuyFawkes38]

Jordan Crawford almost started a fight at the end of the Knicks/Celtics game.

Not going to lie. I love his passion.

[mistabeecee41]

i retract my previous statement defending jordan crawford. he played 0 minutes and started (from what it looked like, who knows what happened before the cameras turned to them) a fight with the knicks best player after the game.

[SlimKibbles]

Jordan Crawford almost started a fight at the end of the Knicks/Celtics game.

Not going to lie. I love his passion.

Passion? How is sitting the entire game and then running your mouth at Carmelo Anthony after your team won come off as passion? I hate the Knicks more than any NBA team but Crawford is the kind of guy you just want to punch in the mouth sometimes. Lock him and JR Smith in a room somewhere. Those two are two peas in a pod.

[GuyFawkes38]

I can see why some people are criticizing him. But I think it's smart for him to get into Melo's head.
http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/crawfordmelo.gif

[D-West & PO-Z]

Passion? How is sitting the entire game and then running your mouth at Carmelo Anthony after your team won come off as passion? I hate the Knicks more than any NBA team but Crawford is the kind of guy you just want to punch in the mouth sometimes. Lock him and JR Smith in a room somewhere. Those two are two peas in a pod.

Are you a Pacers, Bulls, or Heat fan?

Just curious why you would hate the Knicks more than any other team.

My Knicks are making it scary and I did predict a win in 5 but they wrap it up in Boston in 6. (I hope!)

[SlimKibbles]

Are you a Pacers, Bulls, or Heat fan?

Just curious why you would hate the Knicks more than any other team.

My Knicks are making it scary and I did predict a win in 5 but they wrap it up in Boston in 6. (I hope!)

Honestly my hatred for the Knicks goes back to the Ewing and John Starks days. I really hated Starks. Never liked how he played. Patrick Ewing was a great player but he was the face of the Knicks, and the face of the players during the strike in 99 or 2000 when he was talking about the hardships of younger players not being able to pay for their 7 cars or whatever. That crap really rubbed me the wrong way. I honestly haven't been much of an NBA fan since. If I had to pick a team to be a fan of though it'd be the Pacers. Frankly I really don't like any New York sports team. :)


I can see why some people are criticizing him. But I think it's smart for him to get into Melo's head.
http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/crawfordmelo.gif

I doubt it was planned. I think Jordan was just being a jackass. But, who knows? Maybe he was just trying to get into Melo's head. I remember Lance Stephenson running his mouth last season during the Pacers series with the Heat and LeBron seemed turn things up a notch after that. Jordan running his mouth when his team is still down 3-2 seems pretty stupid if you ask me.

[DC Muskie]

Jordan Crawford almost started a fight at the end of the Knicks/Celtics game.

Not going to lie. I love his passion.

He is very passionate about doing some stupid shit, I will give you that.

[PMI]

Are you a Pacers, Bulls, or Heat fan?

Just curious why you would hate the Knicks more than any other team.

My Knicks are making it scary and I did predict a win in 5 but they wrap it up in Boston in 6. (I hope!)

I know you're a New York sports fan, but trust me, there are a lot of folks out there who hate New York teams. I mean not the Mets or Jets or the ones that don't matter at all, but the big ones. Personally, the only New York teams I truly despise (and I mean DESPISE) are the Giants and Rangers. Don't even get me started on those whining pieces of shit John Mara and John Tortorella I don't really care about the rest of the New York teams one way or another. Apparently the Bullets and Knicks had a pretty good rivalry going before I was born, but I still can't really get into disliking the Knicks. Hell, any team that is a threat to the Heat, however unrealistic it may be, is a team I'll jump on board with.

As for Crawford, all I can do is shake my head. Will he ever get his act together in time to salvage the good NBA career he should have? Or will he just go on to become one of the many dime-a-dozen big time talents who fizzles out due to not getting it?

[BBC 08]

Oh Jordan: http://deadspin.com/jordan-crawford-to-carmelo-anthony-that-motherfucker-487017786

[PMI]

The wizards won 2 games on the road. Healthy or not, they were pretty bad on the road.

Jordan is not a leader and the Wizards have been a mess. Jordan is just another character of a long line of characters that have made up the Wizards for the past ten years. I would certainly hope with the return of their number 1 overall pick, the Wizards would improve.

Jordan was the only one who could score when all of the injuries hit and Beal wasn't that ready. But like PMI said, the guy just doesn't play if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, and defense is a rumor.

For me it's going to be interesting to see what next story line the press can present about the Wizards because they don't have any right now. Hopefully it's about winning. At least win more on the road.

The Wizards won 7 games on the road. Nothing to brag about, but 2? That would've had to have been some kind of NBA record. But either way, they did have a bad road record, like the majority of the league, and the next step they must take as they mature as a team is to play more consistently on the road. That's always the big step forward a young team must take. To me, the telling sign that gave me the confidence that the Wizards (who I was VERY down on) were a solid team with Wall and everyone healthy, was their defense. I mean they are clearly at least one offensive superstar away from being good, but they brought the defense EVERY single night after Crawford was dealt. They were in most every game and pulled off a good number of big time wins against teams that are still playing for a championship. I think that's a really good sign for a team that is still young and about to get another lottery pick. Beal will almost certainly turn into a vey good offensive player and Wall already is, turnover issues notwithstanding. We need a forward who can provide consistent offense, and we've needed that for awhile. But as long as they're one of the best defensive teams in the East, I will have no problem supporting this work in progress.

As long as Ernie Grunfeld doesn't screw it up, the Wizards are heading in the right direction. They could not have done so if Jordan Crawford was still playing here.

[bigdiggins]

Oh Jordan: http://deadspin.com/jordan-crawford-to-carmelo-anthony-that-motherfucker-487017786

DNP-Shitty. That is awesome and needs to be included in boxscores from now on instead of coaches decision.

[DC Muskie]

Sorry was it 7? I thought I read in the paper they had 2 wins on the road. Whatever the deal is 7 is still pretty terrible.

I like the defense they play that's for sure. I like Wall, although not as much as others around here, and if they can add good pieces to the roster next season they will most certainly make the playoffs.

And I hope they rid themselves the name someday. Terrible name. Jordan Crawford-like.

[GoMuskies]

Is there anyone who really thinks Crawford started being a jackass only after he left Xavier?!? That guy drove me crazy all year when he was at Xavier. Luckily he was absolutely incredible (almost perfect) those three games in March.

[DC Muskie]

Is there anyone who really thinks Crawford started being a jackass only after he left Xavier?!? That guy drove me crazy all year when he was at Xavier. Luckily he was absolutely incredible (almost perfect) those three games in March.

Me. He only developed these dipshit tendencies after leaving us.

[PMI]

And I hope they rid themselves the name someday. Terrible name. Jordan Crawford-like.

No day is too soon to rename the team ANYTHING but the Wizards. Seriously, anything. I'll be the Washington Fat Dildos over the Wizards. At least that name isn't any gayer and at least humorous.


Is there anyone who really thinks Crawford started being a jackass only after he left Xavier?!? That guy drove me crazy all year when he was at Xavier. Luckily he was absolutely incredible (almost perfect) those three games in March.

I think he was a jackass for 19 years, then came to Xavier and was an angel, then became a jackass again.

Seriously though, I think everyone knew exactly who he was while he was here. We all knew about the theft incident and most knew what his reputation was around campus. But I for one didn't give a shit. He was an incredible college basketball player for us and did enough to stay eligible and out of trouble to play. That's all I care about personally. Would I rather have a team full of wonderful people who were also very talented? Sure. But I'd sure as hell rather have a very talented kid who is a knucklehead (but an eligible knucklehead) than a nice guy who can't play. Jordan Crawford was by no means any less shy on the court here than he was for the Wizards, but I didn't care because he shot extremely well for a volume shooter and helped us win lots of games and get within an inch of the Elite Eight. He also really bought in defensively as the year went on, which is something he hasn't done since. Nobody complains about a star shooting too much when he plays the way JC did at Xavier. That approach is not and never was going to work for him in the NBA, and he doesn't understand that. For every incredible game he has where he catches fire and looks like an All-Star, he will have several games where he does more to hurt the team than help it, the way he plays. That was not the case at Xavier. Not at all.

[Muskie]

Can you imagine the uproar if Mark Lyons did this?

[RealDeal]

Oh Jordan: http://deadspin.com/jordan-crawford-to-carmelo-anthony-that-motherfucker-487017786

Honestly, I hope Melo goes off for 50 on his and KG's asses.

Credit Mack for not letting him destroy team chemistry.

[paulxu]

Re: the wizard's future....can I get some of whatever it is you guys are drinking?

[Muskie]

No day is too soon to rename the team ANYTHING but the Wizards. Seriously, anything. I'll be the Washington Fat Dildos over the Wizards. At least that name isn't any gayer and at least humorous.



I think he was a jackass for 19 years, then came to Xavier and was an angel, then became a jackass again.

Seriously though, I think everyone knew exactly who he was while he was here. We all knew about the theft incident and most knew what his reputation was around campus. But I for one didn't give a shit. He was an incredible college basketball player for us and did enough to stay eligible and out of trouble to play. That's all I care about personally. Would I rather have a team full of wonderful people who were also very talented? Sure. But I'd sure as hell rather have a very talented kid who is a knucklehead (but an eligible knucklehead) than a nice guy who can't play. Jordan Crawford was by no means any less shy on the court here than he was for the Wizards, but I didn't care because he shot extremely well for a volume shooter and helped us win lots of games and get within an inch of the Elite Eight. He also really bought in defensively as the year went on, which is something he hasn't done since. Nobody complains about a star shooting too much when he plays the way JC did at Xavier. That approach is not and never was going to work for him in the NBA, and he doesn't understand that. For every incredible game he has where he catches fire and looks like an All-Star, he will have several games where he does more to hurt the team than help it, the way he plays. That was not the case at Xavier. Not at all.

I complained about the volume of shots he took. I also don't think he was the best role model for Tu or Lyons. But I did enjoy watching him play. (See you can be Critical of a player but still enjoy watching him).

[GoMuskies]

Credit Mack for not letting him destroy team chemistry.

You may recall that Crawford started only 34 of the 35 Xavier games that year. That one game where Crawford was benched at the start was a bold move by Mack that really could have gone either way.

[RealDeal]

You may recall that Crawford started only 34 of the 35 Xavier games that year. That one game where Crawford was benched at the start was a bold move by Mack that really could have gone either way.

I think it was the UC game? I was out of the country for that game so I'm not sure.

[gladdenguy]

I think it was the UC game as well. Crawford and Lyons both are pricks although talented at basketball. Let the door hit them right in the a__.

I give more credit now to Mack for dealing with those punks.....1.) sitting out all year around the team and 2.) when they played on the team.

[PMI]

Re: the wizard's future....can I get some of whatever it is you guys are drinking?

Not sure I understand. I think I've given a very fair analysis of the current state of the team and its most likely future outlook. I don't recall anyone saying this team is close to being a contender, but if you don't think a healthy Wizards team is a playoff caliber squad in the remarkably mediocre East next year, I think you're strongly overestimating at least a couple of programs. And I say this before I've even started drinking in preparation for my big night...

[paulxu]

Watching Crawford's career (?) unfold is almost like watching a trainwreck coming.
I hope he turns it around, but he may have run out of chances.

[oddblob]

Crawford is a complete piece of shit.

It literally pains me that he's a Muskie.

[Juice]

Crawford is a complete piece of shit.

It literally pains me that he's a Muskie.

It will be ok dude.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkST5-ZFHw

[GoMuskies]

The Celtics are a traveshamockery, but Jordan has actually been pretty solid early on for them.

[paulxu]

Not quite at the halfway mark in tonight's game, JC is 2-2, 4 assists, 2 steals and a block with no TO's in 12 minutes of play. (+8)

Hope I haven't jinxed him.