Tom Crean

[GoMuskies]

How long until he goes from conquering hero to on the hot seat? I bet it won't take long. If they don't get out of the first weekend of the Tournament next year, I'd bet there will be some serious grumbling from the fan base.

Same for Miller in Arizona, frankly.

[DC Muskie]

I enjoyed watching Crean lose. Stranded on third I guess.

[Masterofreality]

This may be the most ludicrous statement ever. A tweet quote of Crean from Rush the Court:

“@rushthecourt: RT @RTCEastRegion: Tom Crean: "No program [listed several blue-bloods] has had to endure what these guys have had to endure."”

What? Say again? Endure what? Playing with a #1 recruiting class? Playing in front of 17,000 fawning fans? Exactly what had to be endured?

Oh, I get it. They had to endure your pompous preening and arrogance, Crean. They had to endure you not having a clue how to coach offense against a zone that everyone knew was coming.

Hey, Tommy boy. I know you understand the concept of "middle" because that's where you part your hair. How about applying that to where the ball should go against a zone?

PS. Marquette fans hate Crean as much, if not more, than XU fans hate Beaknose.

[Muskie]

This may be the most ludicrous statement ever. A tweet quote of Crean from Rush the Court:

“@rushthecourt: RT @RTCEastRegion: Tom Crean: "No program
[listed several blue-bloods] has had to endure what these guys have had to endure."”

What? Say again? Endure what? Playing with a #1 recruiting class? Playing in front of 17,000 fawning fans? Exactly what had to be endured?

Oh, I get it. They had to endure your pompous preening and arrogance, Crean. They had to endure you not having a clue how to coach offense against a zone that everyone knew was coming.

Hey, Tommy boy. I know you understand the concept of "middle" because that's where you part your hair. How about applying that to where the ball should go against a zone?

PS. Marquette fans hate Crean as much, if not more, than XU fans hate Beaknose.

He's referring to the seniors being on that awful team that won 6 games. It's been a theme he's been doing in the Indy news media all year.

[GoMuskies]

The poor babies. I watched a UNC team win 8 games one year. The freshman on that team won a national championship. They didn't get blasted by an average 4 seed in the Sweet Sixteen.

[Muskie]

The poor babies. I watched a UNC team win 8 games one year. The freshman on that team won a national championship. They didn't get blasted by an average 4 seed in the Sweet Sixteen.

But was that UNC team playing against a 2-3 Zone?

[GoMuskies]

Good point. Those UNC players also had a good coach on their sideline.

[Juice]

This may be the most ludicrous statement ever. A tweet quote of Crean from Rush the Court:

“@rushthecourt: RT @RTCEastRegion: Tom Crean: "No program [listed several blue-bloods] has had to endure what these guys have had to endure."”

What? Say again? Endure what? Playing with a #1 recruiting class? Playing in front of 17,000 fawning fans? Exactly what had to be endured?

Oh, I get it. They had to endure your pompous preening and arrogance, Crean. They had to endure you not having a clue how to coach offense against a zone that everyone knew was coming.

Hey, Tommy boy. I know you understand the concept of "middle" because that's where you part your hair. How about applying that to where the ball should go against a zone?

PS. Marquette fans hate Crean as much, if not more, than XU fans hate Beaknose.

Gasp! No player ever has had to deal with the effects of NCAA sanctions from a previous coach!

[Cheesehead]

As some of you know, I was a Marquette (ELITE 8 BABY!) fan long before I came to Cincy to attend XU. My Dad retired as a prof from MU and we had season tickets for over 20 years and I can say w/ 100% certainty, that Tom Crean is a douche.

Case closed.

[More Cowbell]

Without Wade, Crean has won 5 tournament games total. 4 in the last 2 seasons.

[smileyy]

Same for Miller in Arizona, frankly.

Miller has an Elite 8 and a Sweet 16 in the last 3 years. He's fine. The only criticism _might_ be his in-season performance resulting in lower-seeding.

[GoMuskies]

Miller has an Elite 8 and a Sweet 16 in the last 3 years. He's fine. The only criticism _might_ be his in-season performance resulting in lower-seeding.

That doesn't really count for much in Arizona. Elite Eight? Maybe. But Sweet 16s are a dime a dozen out there. He needs to get to a Final Four pretty soon, or the natives WILL get restless. Ditto for Crean.

[smileyy]

Yes and no. They're not a storied program like Kentucky or Indiana. Their run of success only dates back to the mid-80s.

Anyone who thinks the Sweet 16 is a dime a dozen is a fool. But I agree that he better have at least as many Elite 8 appearances as he does NIT appearances.

[GoMuskies]

They had 10 Sweet 16s in the 19 years before he arrived. That's not going to be enough in Arizona forever. Frankly, I don't think it's going to be enough at Arizon really, really soon. He already broke their 25 year streak of consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances (though that obviously is not entirely (or even mostly) his fault).

[smileyy]

He already broke their 25 year streak of consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances (though that obviously is not entirely (or even mostly) his fault).

Yeah, that one's completely on the administration for destroying the recruiting pipeline by botching Olson's exit, hiring Kevin O'Neill and jerking around Russ Pennell. Maybe its better to say that Arizona would be worse off overall if they churn through coaches looking for the next Lute Olson. OTOH, flags fly forever?

[waggy]

Sean should've taken the Maryland job (or maybe just should've waited a little longer). His recruiting out west seems to be uneven. The point guard he recruited out of Sacramento was a disaster.

[LA Muskie]

Sean will be just fine. AD's and his peers absolutely love him. If he didn't play such a slow pace, I think UCLA would be targeting him (and, at minimum, getting him a raise at Arizona).

[smileyy]

If he weren't already in the Pac-12 they'd be going after him. Has there ever been an in-conference coaching change like that?

[GuyFawkes38]

The arizona board is a wealth of information for this type of thing.
http://forum.goazcats.com/showthread.php?t=122485&page=68

Some posters are concerned that Miller hasn't made a Final Four. But most posters appear more than supportive and excited about Miller.

[LA Muskie]

If he weren't already in the Pac-12 they'd be going after him. Has there ever been an in-conference coaching change like that?
I don't know if is completely unprecedented, but it would be very, very rare.

[GoMuskies]

Tubby Smith went from Georgia to Kentucky. Our friend Jim Baron went from SBU to Rhody.

[Art Vandelay]

They didn't get blasted by an average 4 seed in the Sweet Sixteen.

yeah don't kid yourself, when Boeheim's got that "average 4 seed" focused like they are right now, they can beat any team in the country.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if they're the one's left standing when it's all said and done.

[xudash]

yeah don't kid yourself, when Boeheim's got that "average 4 seed" focused like they are right now, they can beat any team in the country.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if they're the one's left standing when it's all said and done.

Yep. How does he do that? What in his coaching toolbox/profile enables him to win through this tournament?

[LA Muskie]

Yep. How does he do that? What in his coaching toolbox/profile enables him to win through this tournament?

It certainly doesn't hurt that they play a defense most teams rarely see -- and regardless play it better than everyone else. It also doesn't hurt that he tends to have very balanced, long and athletic teams, which means they aren't as susceptible to an individual's "off game".

[Art Vandelay]

Yep. How does he do that? What in his coaching toolbox/profile enables him to win through this tournament?

He's a defensive mastermind, always has been.

[GoMuskies]

That's 6 Regional Finals in 37 years for that genius. How can Crean be expected to compete with a guy like that when Crean has far superior talent?

[xubrew]

It's as though IU spent zero time preparing for Syracuse's zone. In fact, playing against a zone has not been their strength. Something that was far worse than watching IU play against a zone this year was when IU actually tried to play a zone themselves. Maybe there is a correlation there.

Basically, the key to beating the Syracuse zone is to get the ball to the foul line in the hands of a post player. Then, he needs to look to pass to the wings, and go back down low. This forces the Syracuse defenders into either holding their position and giving up the open look out on the wing, or extending out to the wing and leaving the post wide open.

Indiana has personnel that is tailor made to beat the Syracuse zone. The problem is that Tom Crean is the coach. For all of you who watched the game, IU obviously did none of this. They did get the ball to the foul line, but they did not face the rim once they got to the foul line. They did not look to pass the ball to the wings (I guess it's hard to pass the ball to the wings when you're back is to the basket and you can't see the wings). They never tried to reverse the ball, and the guards did not move without the ball.

I believe there have been other threads on this board talking about how Tom Crean sucks. Tom Crean doesn't suck, but he's not particularly good either, especially in situations when strategy is required. Any good X's and O's coach would have flattened Syracuse if you gave them IU's personnel. They have a good post player. They have a guy that can pass the ball. They have outside shooters. They have what you need. They didn't do it, though, and it's their own fault.


Here's the thing about Boeheim though. He NEVER, and I mean NOT EVER changes his defense. No matter how bad that zone is getting picked apart, he never comes out of it. No matter what the game situation is (needing to push the pace) he never comes out of it. He could have superior athleticism to his opponents, and he'd still throw that zone at them for the entire game and never take advantage of having better athletes. He's a very good coach, but he's not the best either. There are certain types of teams that he almost never beats because he will never make the necessary changes to beat them.

[Pluto]

I was on the road yesterday and missed the game. Did IU cut down the nets after the Syracuse game?

[Juice]

It's as though IU spent zero time preparing for Syracuse's zone. In fact, playing against a zone has not been their strength. Something that was far worse than watching IU play against a zone this year was when IU actually tried to play a zone themselves. Maybe there is a correlation there.

Basically, the key to beating the Syracuse zone is to get the ball to the foul line in the hands of a post player. Then, he needs to look to pass to the wings, and go back down low. This forces the Syracuse defenders into either holding their position and giving up the open look out on the wing, or extending out to the wing and leaving the post wide open.

Indiana has personnel that is tailor made to beat the Syracuse zone. The problem is that Tom Crean is the coach. For all of you who watched the game, IU obviously did none of this. They did get the ball to the foul line, but they did not face the rim once they got to the foul line. They did not look to pass the ball to the wings (I guess it's hard to pass the ball to the wings when you're back is to the basket and you can't see the wings). They never tried to reverse the ball, and the guards did not move without the ball.

I believe there have been other threads on this board talking about how Tom Crean sucks. Tom Crean doesn't suck, but he's not particularly good either, especially in situations when strategy is required. Any good X's and O's coach would have flattened Syracuse if you gave them IU's personnel. They have a good post player. They have a guy that can pass the ball. They have outside shooters. They have what you need. They didn't do it, though, and it's their own fault.


Here's the thing about Boeheim though. He NEVER, and I mean NOT EVER changes his defense. No matter how bad that zone is getting picked apart, he never comes out of it. No matter what the game situation is (needing to push the pace) he never comes out of it. He could have superior athleticism to his opponents, and he'd still throw that zone at them for the entire game and never take advantage of having better athletes. He's a very good coach, but he's not the best either. There are certain types of teams that he almost never beats because he will never make the necessary changes to beat them.

And what it crazy is that Zeller and Watford are both versatile bigs capable of shooting, dribbling, passing, etc. from the elbow. I saw them catch the ball there but they did nothing when they did.

[boozehound]

Tom Crean is a dick. I'm glad he lost.

[Juice]

vonleh is going to the NBA and now Austin Etherington is transferring from IU. Crean's got some problems.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2014/03/24/austin-etherington-indiana-basketball-transfer/6829193/

[LA Muskie]

Crap. We all know we're the best landing pad for IU transfers so now we need 3 schollies.

[Juice]

Crap. We all know we're the best landing pad for IU transfers so now we need 3 schollies.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24499075/jeremy-hollowell-transferring-from-indiana

Add Jeremy Hollowell to this list of those getting the hell out of Bloomington

[THRILLHOUSE]

Jeremy Hollowell is transferring out of IU as well.

[Muskie]

Wow... I wonder what the hell is going on?

[BandAid]

Seat's got to be getting hot

[X-band '01]

Wow... I wonder what the hell is going on?

The roof is already caving in at Indiana.

[GoMuskies]

Tom Crean woke up on third base this morning....and someone told him he'd actually run the wrong way from home plate and everyone was laughing at him.

[GoMuskies]

Johnny Marlin is also transferring. IU is totally screwed now.

[casualfan]

Wow... I wonder what the hell is going on?

Vonleh is projected to be a top 10 pick and both Etherington and Hollowell suck at basketball.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Eron Harris is transferring out of West Virginia. He is from Indy so I'm sure Crean will make a big push for him. Harris' father went to Purdue though, so the Boilers might have an advantage there.

[waggy]

The roof is already caving in at Indiana.


:biggrin:

[DoubleD86]

Johnny Marlin is also transferring. IU is totally screwed now.

Rumors that at least 3 (not sure how many they have) walk ons are looking to leave the team/school for IU. Obviously not going to impact the quality of the team, but not a good reflection on the coach(es)...

[Xman95]

vonleh is going to the NBA and now Austin Etherington is transferring from IU. Crean's got some problems.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2014/03/24/austin-etherington-indiana-basketball-transfer/6829193/

Crean has one problem...Tom Crean.

[Xman95]

Tom Crean woke up on third base this morning....and someone told him he'd actually run the wrong way from home plate and everyone was laughing at him.

Only way Crean could wind up on 3rd Base is if he ran the wrong way after a dropped 3rd strike.

[paulxu]

It was softball...and he took the 4th ball...and walked the wrong way. Get the story straight.

[chico]

It was softball...and he took the 4th ball...and walked the wrong way. Get the story straight.

Tom Crean is mhettel?

[Xman95]

Tom Crean is mhettel?

No, with Crean it only happened once.

[Masterofreality]

Tom Crean is a clown.

Nice recruiting. #FindThirdBase

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12888609/indiana-hoosiers-dismiss-devin-davis-hanner-mosquera-perea-pot-incident

[bobbiemcgee]

I expect transfers to Colorado or Wash.

[chico]

Are these guys high on our list of transfers?

Sorry, somebody had to.

[casualfan]

Are these guys high on our list of transfers?

Sorry, somebody had to.

If you stopped at high the answer is yes lol

[GoMuskies]

Are these guys high on our list of transfers?

Sorry, somebody had to.

If they were better players, I'd be all for it.

[Juice]

It's easy for Crean to be all moral and shit when he's simply trying to clear room for Thon Maker.

[paulxu]

Is that the guy in the new Marvel movie?

[Cheesehead]

It's easy for Crean to be all moral and shit when he's simply trying to clear room for Thon Maker.

Thon Maker may not even play in college. Now that he is reclassified as 2015 class. He go play in Europe for money and declare for the 2016 draft (he will be first round lottery pick) or he can stay in Canada and play at his Academy's post graduate team, then declare for 2016 draft. He really does not need college. If I were him, I would go make some money somewhere. He will be one and done anyway so might as well put some money in the bank.

[bleedXblue]

Crean scares the crap out of me. He has to be on thin ice at IU. His last 2-3 years have just been an absolute mess and then natives have got to be restless.

[Juice]

Crean scares the crap out of me. He has to be on thin ice at IU. His last 2-3 years have just been an absolute mess and then natives have got to be restless.

Next year is the make or break year. He returns everyone, minus the players he just kicked off the team, and brings in Thomas Bryant. If he doesn't produce next year he will definitely be fired.