Big East sucks. Can we get back in the A10?

[XUOHTX]

A10 undefeated in the tourney. Let's go back.

[boozehound]

No kidding.

[GoMuskies]

Ha.

[Jesuit4Life]

2012-13 A10 6-0
New Big East 3-2

So, do they cut checks for shares of this year's tourney credits before or after July 1st?

[GoMuskies]

A-10's actually 6-0.

[Musketeer_15]

I say we just kick Gtown out of the Big East at replace them with Florida Gulf Coast

[bobbiemcgee]

If you look at the matchups so far, they should be 5-0 easily. Only upset was LaSuck.

[MarvAlbert]

2012-13 A10 6-0
New Big East 3-2

So, do they cut checks for shares of this year's tourney credits before or after July 1st?

The checks are cut in mid April...the following year

To be fair, if Xavier stayed in the A10 long enough to make money off of the credits earned this year, they'd be waiting a year for approximately $115,000 +$10,400 for each game an A10 school plays in past the 3rd round

[SlimKibbles]

If you look at the matchups so far, they should be 5-0 easily. Only upset was LaSuck.

I wasn't sure Temple would beat NC State. Expected a good game though. We definitely got one. Glad the Owls won. Agree on the others.

[LadyMuskie]

It's about time they all start winning. Carrying all of them on our collective back was exhausting. Hence the need for us to take a year off and regroup.

[gladdenguy]

Marquette should have lost. Davidson blew that game. If Iowa St. holds on and beats Notre Dame the Big Least will have 3 teams left and 5 ousted in the first round. Screw the Big Least.

[Jesuit4Life]

The checks are cut in mid April...the following year

To be fair, if Xavier stayed in the A10 long enough to make money off of the credits earned this year, they'd be waiting a year for approximately $115,000 +$10,400 for each game an A10 school plays in past the 3rd round

I knew it wasn't all that much (especially compared to the first year of our new TV contract), just wasn't sure when they divvy it up.

Hey Dayton, being stuck in the A10 isn't all bad news.

[xubball1993]

Their women's team is ridiculous too. Went to game over Christmas where their girls hit 14 threes. Love how FGC played with confidence, like they've been there for years. (Royally screwed my bracket - had Gtown going to the Elite 8.

[Porkopolis]

Their women's team is ridiculous too. Went to game over Christmas where their girls hit 14 threes. Love how FGC played with confidence, like they've been there for years. (Royally screwed my bracket - had Gtown going to the Elite 8.

I had Georgetown winning it all. Oops.

[X-man]

I've maintained all through this comference reshuffle that the A-10 was a better conference, if it held together, than the Catholic-7. Plus I hate the style of basketball played by the Big Least streetball teams. I have very mixed feelings about this move for Xavier in spite of the fact that it is a "higher profile" league.

[XU-PA]

I've maintained all through this comference reshuffle that the A-10 was a better conference, if it held together, than the Catholic-7. Plus I hate the style of basketball played by the Big Least streetball teams. I have very mixed feelings about this move for Xavier in spite of the fact that it is a "higher profile" league.

so there has to be a negative Ned in here somewhere,,,,,Really???? Mixed feelings?????? there's no negative, unless you count not getting those BS wins we would normally get against crap teams at the A-10 bottoms as a negative somehow,,,,

But to get a better idea how tourney performance is for XU. What's the A-10 record for teams that will still be in the conference next year? 2-0 VCU and LaSalle. The conference is destined to become this decade's Metro/Conference USA, with VCU playing the role of "Memphis"

[Snipe]

The A-10 was the best thing that had ever happened to Xavier. I wish them well and I am rooting for them.

We will probably be in a division with Butler, Creighton, Saint Louis, Dayton and DePaul. Think about that. Welcome to the Big East, or the MCC.

[Cheesehead]

If A-10 had gone 3-3 no one would be saying a word. Did anyone honestly expect the A10 to do this? I consider it to be more of a fluke but hey, good for the A10. X will be fine in the Big East.

[GuyFawkes38]

We will probably be in a division with Butler, Creighton, Saint Louis, Dayton and DePaul. Think about that. Welcome to the Big East, or the MCC.

Ha. I don't like the sound of that.

I've always maintained that conference affiliation is close to irrelevant in college basketball. This is a good financial move. But don't expect any big changes on the court.

[paulxu]

That's the best argument I've seen for having someone from the east be added.

[Muskied]

Ha. I don't like the sound of that.

I've always maintained that conference affiliation is close to irrelevant in college basketball. This is a good financial move. But don't expect any big changes on the court.
I don't see Dayton getting in....I'd argue Marquette would fit in that division, in which case you have 4 current NCAA tourney teams (plus Xavier), player of the year candidate, 4 large markets with a strong recruiting history, and several of the best arenas and coaches in college basketball.

This is the most insane thread I've ever seen in the history of the internet. #outofyourfingminds

[XUFan09]

If A-10 had gone 3-3 no one would be saying a word. Did anyone honestly expect the A10 to do this? I consider it to be more of a fluke but hey, good for the A10. X will be fine in the Big East.

Exactly. Name another year where the non-Xavier members actually performed well in the tourney. Two years ago, Richmond went to the Sweet 16 and Temple went to the Round of 32 before losing in OT against 2-seed San Diego State. Other than that, I can't think of a really good showing by the A10, and that was when just two other teams made the tournament in the first place.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Exactly. Name another year where the non-Xavier members actually performed well in the tourney. Two years ago, Richmond went to the Sweet 16 and Temple went to the Round of 32 before losing in OT against 2-seed San Diego State. Other than that, I can't think of a really good showing by the A10, and that was when just two other teams made the tournament in the first place.

2004 St. Joe's. Can't think of anyone else.

[Retire33]

2004 St. Joe's. Can't think of anyone else.

Rhode Island got to elite 8 with Tyson Wheeler and Cutino Mobley

UMass with Camby ( but NCAA says that never happened).

I'm also sure temple made a few sweet 16 with Chaney.

[DC Muskie]

I've maintained all through this comference reshuffle that the A-10 was a better conference, if it held together, than the Catholic-7. Plus I hate the style of basketball played by the Big Least streetball teams. I have very mixed feelings about this move for Xavier in spite of the fact that it is a "higher profile" league.

What on earth are you talking about?

Since we joined the A10 there has been 1 team that has reached the Final Four with UMass in 1996 and that was vacated. The C7 of the Big East has had 2 in the past five years.

"Streetball?" Who plays "streetball?"

Read this about styles. http://collegechalktalk.com/?p=6551

It looks like we are "streetballers" because we run a lot more than other teams.

I can't stop you from having stupid mixed feelings of the move, I can at least correct you on style, and which conference is better. The Big East is better simply because we are in it.

[DC Muskie]

I'm also sure temple made a few sweet 16 with Chaney.

Twice. 1999 and 2001.

[GuyFawkes38]

A little OT, but Shaka would be the perfect hire for UCLA. They should make that happen.

[Xman95]

A-10's actually 6-0.

And it's 3-0 for teams that will be in the A-10 next year. 3 of those wins are heading out the door (and SLU may follow the next year).

[Muskie in dayton]

And it's 3-0 for teams that will be in the A-10 next year. 3 of those wins are heading out the door (and SLU may follow the next year).

Actually 4-0. St. Louis, VCU, and 2 for LaSalle (God my fingers barely led me type that)

[X-man]

What on earth are you talking about?

Since we joined the A10 there has been 1 team that has reached the Final Four with UMass in 1996 and that was vacated. The C7 of the Big East has had 2 in the past five years.

"Streetball?" Who plays "streetball?"

Read this about styles. http://collegechalktalk.com/?p=6551

It looks like we are "streetballers" because we run a lot more than other teams.

I can't stop you from having stupid mixed feelings of the move, I can at least correct you on style, and which conference is better. The Big East is better simply because we are in it.

Speak for yourself, dude. Big Least teams have been over-rated for years, and their style of basketball relies on physical streetball rather than finesse. The ACC plays a style I prefer to the Big Least; for that matter, so does the A10.

[XUFan09]

Rhode Island got to elite 8 with Tyson Wheeler and Cutino Mobley

UMass with Camby ( but NCAA says that never happened).

I'm also sure temple made a few sweet 16 with Chaney.

I meant to say "recent" years. Like in the past decade.

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2

[LadyMuskie]

Speak for yourself, dude. Big Least teams have been over-rated for years, and their style of basketball relies on physical streetball rather than finesse. The ACC plays a style I prefer to the Big Least; for that matter, so does the A10.

You need to look at the bigger picture. Xavier moving to the Big East is about so much more than just what style of play they'll see in conference games. Moving to the Big East helps Xavier bring in more money, more exposure, more students, etc. etc. etc.

The Big East as we're going to know it is going to be different from what we're seeing and have seen. There is absolutely no reason to expect that Xavier, Butler and Creighton won't bring to the table just as much as Georgetown, Nova and St. John's are. Before you shut down this move, give it a chance to play out. I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. I think the level of competition is going to rise if for no other reason than teams 8, 9, and 10 of the C7 have something to prove. Xavier, Butler and Creighton have worked extremely hard to get to this level, and I don't see any of those programs laying down and accepting mediocrity just because they've accomplished a goal.

X made it to a power conference. Now it's time to win a championship. Our work, IMO, isn't done and we won't stop trying and working hard until we've won multiple championships and the world is about to end. It's just not who Xavier is. We will be fine. The Big East will be fine.

[Xman95]

Actually 4-0. St. Louis, VCU, and 2 for LaSalle (God my fingers barely led me type that)

I keep forgetting that LaSalle has two. That first one should only count as .5 though.

[UCGRAD4X]

The big east will get better because it cab concentrate on the basketball.

[anXUfan]

The big east will get better because it cab concentrate on the basketball.

I love the basketball.

[Masterofreality]

The Big East will be better because SucKS will no longer be in it. Period.

[Masterofreality]

A little OT, but Shaka would be the perfect hire for UCLA. They should make that happen.

If I'm Shaka, I'm taking that next big money job before my "fad" Havoc is exposed by good coaching.

Oh wait, that already happened today. #Beileined

[Cheesehead]

I just didn't think VCU was as good this year compared to his past teams. They have trouble on offense if they are not getting points off of turnovers. St. Louis schooled them in the A10 final and Michigan schooled them today as well.

[X-man]

You need to look at the bigger picture. Xavier moving to the Big East is about so much more than just what style of play they'll see in conference games. Moving to the Big East helps Xavier bring in more money, more exposure, more students, etc. etc. etc.

The Big East as we're going to know it is going to be different from what we're seeing and have seen. There is absolutely no reason to expect that Xavier, Butler and Creighton won't bring to the table just as much as Georgetown, Nova and St. John's are. Before you shut down this move, give it a chance to play out. I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. I think the level of competition is going to rise if for no other reason than teams 8, 9, and 10 of the C7 have something to prove. Xavier, Butler and Creighton have worked extremely hard to get to this level, and I don't see any of those programs laying down and accepting mediocrity just because they've accomplished a goal.

X made it to a power conference. Now it's time to win a championship. Our work, IMO, isn't done and we won't stop trying and working hard until we've won multiple championships and the world is about to end. It's just not who Xavier is. We will be fine. The Big East will be fine.

I get it. It makes total sense on so many levels. But count me as one of those who believes that most of the schools in the C-7 have been playing pretty mediocre basketball for a while now, with the exception of Marquette, and I think the A10 (if it had held together) would have offered a better brand of basketball. Xavier, Butler, and Creighton will do just fine in this new league because of that. And I am excited to see some new teams coming into the Cintas. But I don't like the style of basketball traditionally played in the Big East, and I hope that "finesse basketball" replaces "power basketball".

[Masterofreality]

I get it. It makes total sense on so many levels. But count me as one of those who believes that most of the schools in the C-7 have been playing pretty mediocre basketball for a while now, with the exception of Marquette, and I think the A10 (if it had held together) would have offered a better brand of basketball. Xavier, Butler, and Creighton will do just fine in this new league because of that. And I am excited to see some new teams coming into the Cintas. But I don't like the style of basketball traditionally played in the Big East, and I hope that "finesse basketball" replaces "power basketball".

In actuality, if Marquette and udump would not have left the MCC, that league with X and Butler in it could have been a "Catholic 7" . Diulio screwed that up and the Cryers fell right in line. They had no qualms about walking away from Xavier at that point. Why the hell should we give them anything now? We took the high road with them for the A10, but screw 'em now.

[DC Muskie]

Speak for yourself, dude. Big Least teams have been over-rated for years, and their style of basketball relies on physical streetball rather than finesse. The ACC plays a style I prefer to the Big Least; for that matter, so does the A10.

What style do you think we play? You think Thad Matta, Sean Miller and Chris Mack have implemented "finesse" basketball?

"Physical streetball." I need some help in understanding what exactly that is. Last year we ran an offense that basically had two ball handlers taking whatever the defense gave them. I just showed you an article that breaks down how many possessions we average a game.

So I ask again with the hope that you dude, can tell me what on earth are you talking about.

[GuyFawkes38]

If Howland is fired (which it appears likely now), it will be interesting how receptive Shaka and Stevens would be in the job. UCLA is an awesome job. It would suck for the Big East if Stevens does bolt. But it seems like Shaka would be a more natural fit than Stevens.

[Nigel Tufnel]

"I am at this moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip."

Have I told you I love your sig line? I think I have...well, I'm telling you again. Awesome. I smile every time I read it. Ignatius J. Reilly would kick your ass....mine too.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Ha. I don't like the sound of that.

I've always maintained that conference affiliation is close to irrelevant in college basketball. This is a good financial move. But don't expect any big changes on the court.
When it comes to things like tourney results conference affiliation isn't very important, though you don't want to be in a garbage one where you're not tested. Ask Gonzaga. But when it comes to recruiting conference affiliation is hugely important

[GuyFawkes38]

Throwdownbown, I hope your right. We could use a recruiting boost. When Marquette joined the Big East, they seemed to get a recruiting boost. So maybe we'll get one too.


"I am at this moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip."

Have I told you I love your sig line? I think I have...well, I'm telling you again. Awesome. I smile every time I read it. Ignatius J. Reilly would kick your ass....mine too.

He has to be the greatest character ever created. Whenever I need inspiration I ask myself what would Ignatius do.

[X-man]

What style do you think we play? You think Thad Matta, Sean Miller and Chris Mack have implemented "finesse" basketball?

"Physical streetball." I need some help in understanding what exactly that is. Last year we ran an offense that basically had two ball handlers taking whatever the defense gave them. I just showed you an article that breaks down how many possessions we average a game.

So I ask again with the hope that you dude, can tell me what on earth are you talking about.

Here, dude. Perhaps this link might help your understanding of what is obvious to most of the rest of the world but apparently not to you. God forgive me, but it is by Daugherty in Sunday's Enquirer; see http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130323/COL03/303230055/Doc-Fresh-start-just-what-UC-needs-. Of course Doc, consumate a**hole that he is, never bothered to write such a column when UC was part of the Big Least. Now that Xavier is in it, he thinks the league is an over-rated league full of street brawlers. That sentiment is what I have been talking about as well, of course. But Doc would never dream of saying it when UC was in it. What a tool.

[XU-PA]

Here, dude. Perhaps this link might help your understanding of what is obvious to most of the rest of the world but apparently not to you. God forgive me, but it is by Daugherty in Sunday's Enquirer; see http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130323/COL03/303230055/Doc-Fresh-start-just-what-UC-needs-. Of course Doc, consumate a**hole that he is, never bothered to write such a column when UC was part of the Big Least. Now that Xavier is in it, he thinks the league is an over-rated league full of street brawlers. That sentiment is what I have been talking about as well, of course. But Doc would never dream of saying it when UC was in it. What a tool.

Yes, Doc is a tool, this article is kowtowing to the majority voice over there. compare to the column he wrote a day eariler, about how they need to search the cornfields of the midwest for a shooter, that is what UC needs to write the ship. again, a veiled way to kiss up to the majority voice of UC knuckle draggers, that they need more white guys.
What UC needs is a coach who can teach, and then take advantage of the talent he has recruited. Cronin wants to shout, cry about fouls, complain about conference structures, and try to get his players to be what they are not. I'm no fan of any of the players on his squad, but there are some men there that are talented. Perhaps a coach with some talent could do them some good.
With that said, UC will get a fresh start, in a league that will soon become the Metro Conference/ Conference USA.

My opinion, the New Big East will be one hell of a conference for hoops, and teams across the country will be begging to become teams #11 and 12.

[DC Muskie]

Here, dude. Perhaps this link might help your understanding of what is obvious to most of the rest of the world but apparently not to you. God forgive me, but it is by Daugherty in Sunday's Enquirer; see http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130323/COL03/303230055/Doc-Fresh-start-just-what-UC-needs-. Of course Doc, consumate a**hole that he is, never bothered to write such a column when UC was part of the Big Least. Now that Xavier is in it, he thinks the league is an over-rated league full of street brawlers. That sentiment is what I have been talking about as well, of course. But Doc would never dream of saying it when UC was in it. What a tool.

Wait, you are using Doc as an example of your theory? Doc. That's awesome!

Do you think the Big Ten plays "physical streetball?"

What do you think of our offense? Because Doc didn't address how we play, and neither have you. The whole world doesn't need to understand it, but I would imagine a regular Xavier fan would be able to identify it. So please since it's obvious to the entire world, through the eyes of you and Doc, can describe the Big East as "physical streetball" it should be easy to tell us here what type of offense Xavier runs.

[UCGRAD4X]

In some way I think this is also playing into the stereotype Tu and Lyons and 'the brawl' has helped create - mostly with the help of hacks like Doc - that Xavier has a bunch of basketbrawlwers.

Try to argue the point, however coherently, with any sUCs lackey and I guarantee the brawl, Tu and Lyons will be the main (and probably only) argument.

[X-man]

DCM, I'm out. We disagree on what kind of basketball has been played in the Big Least; let's leave it at that. As I have stated elsewhere, I am excired about the new league even with such concerns. But the A10 is, and would have remained had everyone stayed put, a damned good basketball league. The new league will have a higher profile, no doubt, and Xavier will benefit from that. So I support the move. 'nuff said.

[DC Muskie]

DCM, I'm out. We disagree on what kind of basketball has been played in the Big Least; let's leave it at that. As I have stated elsewhere, I am excired about the new league even with such concerns. But the A10 is, and would have remained had everyone stayed put, a damned good basketball league. The new league will have a higher profile, no doubt, and Xavier will benefit from that. So I support the move. 'nuff said.

Okay. So you can't answer what "physical streetball" is and what type of offense we run. That's fine, you and Doc can make up whatever description you want, even though you can't actually articulate it... It just makes you and Doc look ridiculous when you complain about the value of the Big East. If that's how you want to expression your mixed feelings, or how Doc wants to express his relief, then have at it.

I agree that the A10 was a good conference. I also agree that the Big East will be a higher profile conference that Xavier will benefit from. There will be a mix of basketball styles from all of the schools in the league, that I can easily describe, none of them would be "physical streetball" however. Xavier will be great in the new conference that's for sure.

[xfan'17]

Yeah, cuz that Butler vs. Marquette game was such shitty basketball...

[XUOHTX]

Everyone knows I started this with heavy sarcasm right?

[Masterofreality]

Everyone knows I started this with heavy sarcasm right?

Nah....Heavy sarcasm always turns into Heavy upheaval and tumult.

Don't start something you can't finish, bro. :slapfight:

[LadyMuskie]

Everyone knows I started this with heavy sarcasm right?

We don't allow sarcasm to get in the way of a good argument.

[bobbiemcgee]

We don't allow sarcasm to get in the way of a good argument.

I was recently arguing with paulxu over underwear and asked him, at his age, if he preferred boxers over briefs. He said "Depends."

[paulxu]

I was recently arguing with paulxu over underwear and asked him, at his age, if he preferred boxers over briefs. He said "Depends."

And it does....