2013 A10 Championship First Round - (7) Xavier vs. (10) St. Joseph's Game Thread

[Jesuit4Life]

HABEMUS PAPAM FRANCISCUM


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2013 ATLANTIC 10 CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST ROUND
No. 7 Seed Xavier Univ. Musketeers (17-13, 9-7 A-10)
vs. No. 10 Seed Saint Joseph’s U. Hawks (17-12, 8-8 A-10)
Thursday, March 14, 2013 at 6:30 p.m. ET
Barclays Center (18,000) in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Television: NBC Sports Network
Radio: 700 WLW-AM with Joe Sunderman (‘79) and Byron Larkin (‘88).

COMPLETE NOTES/STATS (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/xavi/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/release/release_20130312aaa.pdf)

LIVE CHAT (http://zippychat.com/room/yhwjv)

[Jesuit4Life]

Stream:
Install Streamtorrent (http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Stream-Torrent-Download-129131.html) and add this channel (st://A1gCgpwEdVADUAaCoAHIgBYcsYu/La7/0IfHHyTjA7WHihcGNDIwVFYyimEAikEHZGVmYXVsdIqiHlNwb3 J0cywgV29ybGRXaWRlIEZ1biwgR2VuZXJhbA==).

(Also will have other Thursday A10 games, except for Richmond vs. Charlotte).

[paulxu]

Thanks Francis!

[waggy]

The hawk might not die, but it's gonna be close.

[GIMMFD]

It's game time baby! FEED THE STREAK!

[XUFan09]

Here we go. (http://fromstaaktomack.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/the-a10-tournament/)

[American X]

I am replying to emails, answering calls, and will run the weekly lunch meeting, but concentration on anything serious is shot, even for just the opening round game.

God Save Ireland and Go Xavier!

[GIMMFD]

Stream Torrent doesn't work on my Mac, give em hell anyways!!!

[BBC 08]

So I have the Sports Package for Direct TV but I don't get NBC Sports? WTF?

[GoMuskies]

Where are the live chatters? It's lonely in there!

[GoMuskies]

So I have the Sports Package for Direct TV but I don't get NBC Sports? WTF?

Huh. I get it. Channel 220 doesn't work for you?

[BBC 08]

Nope, greyed out for some reason. Gonna try it on a non HD receiver.

[BMoreX]

Any online feeds?

[BBC 08]

Not getting on it on our non-HD receiver either. As BMore asked, any way to watch online, especially if you have a Mac?

[OTRMUSKIE]

The announcers just said they talked to lance Mcallister in cincinnati and they said Lance is a huge Xavier fan and that Redford is his favorite player

[D-West & PO-Z]

The announcers just said they talked to lance Mcallister in cincinnati and they said Lance is a huge Xavier fan and that Redford is his favorite player

I almost died from laughter at that! Unbelievable. HAHHAHAHAHHA

[bjf123]

The announcers just said they talked to lance Mcallister in cincinnati and they said Lance is a huge Xavier fan and that Redford is his favorite player

Someone is lying!


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[chico]

Did the announcer actually say Lance McAllister is a huge Xavier fan? I'd be pissed but I know McAllister is probably more pissed that people may think he's a huge Xavier fan.

[GoMuskies]

Pretty pleased so far. Dominating on the glass. SJU getting open threes, though.

[American X]

Where are the live chatters? It's lonely in there!

Blocked on work computer, but first time I have appreciated the HD flatscreens in the office. Phil's head is extra shiny this evening.

[OTRMUSKIE]

They said lance is a huge Xavier fan I couldn't believe it.

[paulxu]

hah. Mack wearing what looks like an A10 pin on his jacket. Won't have that in a couple days.

[Juice]

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello
VCU. RT @mcmurrayjt: who has the majority of fans, X or SJU?

[paulxu]

Brad with a drive (???)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[paulxu]

Unusual half for Semaj. 1-5. hope he picks it up in the 2nd.
Get Brad some more shots.

[paulxu]

Boy did we get schooled on that last play.

[Jesuit4Life]

Stream Torrent doesn't work on my Mac, give em hell anyways!!!


Not getting on it on our non-HD receiver either. As BMore asked, any way to watch online, especially if you have a Mac?

Sorry, I don't know of a way to watch Streamtorrent without Windows and I didn't find any other streams.

Need to find some more heart at half.

[paulxu]

Go, get out of the casino and pay attention to the game.
Where are Snipe and Kahns? Have you all given up on the Muskies?

Martelli totally throws Galloway under the bus as he heads off to halftime.
Then he backed up and ran over him again. Funny stuff.

[Xavier]

Semaj missed a few easy ones. Need to keep feeding the bigs, seemed to work well at first.

[danaandvictory]

The last sequence is a microcosm of the whole freaking season. We get a nice stop and then trip over our man-parts and fumble it out of bounds with precisely 34.9 seconds to play, then Amos slips, Robinson inexplicably fouls a guy on a wide-open dunk, and it's a 3-point deficit.

[Xman95]

Martelli totally throws Galloway under the bus as he heads off to halftime.
Then he backed up and ran over him again. Funny stuff.

I love Martelli. That was an example of why he's a good coach. The pass made the play, Galloway just cut and had an easy bucket.

[GoMuskies]

Go, get out of the casino and pay attention to the game.


I'm in live chat. My flight to Vegas doesn't leave for three hours.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

What's the score. I'm "working".

[DC Muskie]

I love Martelli. That was an example of why he's a good coach. The pass made the play, Galloway just cut and had an easy bucket.

Yeah Martelli is such a good coach. He took the preseason favorite to win the league and lead them to a 10th place finish.

It never ceases to amaze me the praise these incredibly mediocre coach receive from Xavier fans.

[Jesuit4Life]

What's the score. I'm "working".

31-28 Joe's with 16:30 left

[Xville]

This team is so frustrating...brilliant plays followed by complete brain farts.

[BBC 08]

These 700wlw commercials are terrible. Makes not being able to watch the game even worse.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

Wow. Commercial complaints. Must be ugly.

[Xman95]

I'm really tired of watching lazy officials that assume calls. If you don't see it, don't call it. Bad officials blow the whistle on what they think might have happened, not what they actually saw happen.

[Xville]

This team is so frustrating...brilliant plays followed by complete brain farts.

Case In point up eight then can't defend or hit the broad side of a barn and go down four...absolutely pathetic display of basketball

[Xman95]

Love that offensive players can bang away in the post, but the minute a defender tries to stand his ground it's a foul.

[HenryMuto]

12-0 run uggggg

[Xman95]

Just pissed away an 8-pt lead with AWFUL defense. This team has shown glimpses of ability at times. Other times...it's absolutely painful to watch.

[paulxu]

Well, you either reach down and find some heart...or you go home. It's in their hands.

[Xville]

Jeff Robinson with 2 pts and 2 rbs....playing like a true senior. Geezus I'm sorry but good riddance

[DC Muskie]

There's no reason why we should lose to this team.

[RealDeal]

Clay Aiken can play.

[paulxu]

No block out.

[paulxu]

Redford's got heart tonight. And Taylor.
Everybody else is sleepwalking.

[Xman95]

There's no reason why we should lose to this team.

Sure there is: Xavier isn't playing to win. They're going through the motions right now. Hawks look like they want it more.

XVILLE, I can't argue with you. Houdini would have been jealous of the disappearing acts Robinson pulls off.

[coasterville95]

Court design - ugly

Refs - hair trigger on fouls

I see some moments of brilliance followed longer moments if bad ball.

Still time but they have to start stringing some stuff together.

[Xville]

I think I'm gonna be sick

[Xman95]

They just showed Robinson walking off the court. Funny, I didn't know he was in the game!

[Atlas]

agree wholeheartedly

[Cheesehead]

That one ref has sucked all night. Not a foul by Philmore. Semaj forcing things tonight.

[DC Muskie]

Sure there is: Xavier isn't playing to win. They're going through the motions right now. Hawks look like they want it more.

Yes, hence no reason to lose to them. It's not based on talent, coaching or scheme.

Very frustrating losing to this shit program.

[coasterville95]

These rims are definitely not our friends

[Cheesehead]

Jeff is no-existent once again.

[paulxu]

Semaj, streetball, blocked.
one on five. breaks my heart.
When he learns to drive and kick out, I hope we've got another Redford to take advantage of it.

[Xville]

Great job by philmore now play some d

[DC Muskie]

We need to hit some free throws!

[Xman95]

I think I'm gonna be sick

Why? We all know this team isn't that good. I give Mack a ton of credit for even having them in the At Large discussion leading up to the Butler game. But there just isn't enough talent there. Guys like Stenger and Amos shouldn't be logging minutes. Appreciate the effort, but they shouldn't be getting this much PT at a big time D1 program.

[Atlas]

Is it just me or does Xavier just have a lack of heart

[Xville]

Why? We all know this team isn't that good. I give Mack a ton of credit for even having them in the At Large discussion leading up to the Butler game. But there just isn't enough talent there. Guys like Stenger and Amos shouldn't be logging minutes. Appreciate the effort, but they shouldn't be getting this much PT at a big time D1 program.

I know they arent just hard to accept

[Cheesehead]

same ref again

[Juice]

Is it just me or does Xavier just have a lack of heart

It's you.

[Xville]

Is it just me or does Xavier just have a lack of heart

Outside of Robinson I think the team has a ton of heart, just short on talent

[Xman95]

Semaj, streetball, blocked.
one on five. breaks my heart.
When he learns to drive and kick out, I hope we've got another Redford to take advantage of it.

Myles Davis.

[DC Muskie]

SJU is terrible, let's not act like we are losing to a good team.

[Xman95]

Outside of Robinson I think the team has a ton of heart, just short on talent

Agree, although sometimes other guys do drift a little.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

Score ?

[DC Muskie]

Let's finish guys.

[Xman95]

BTW, these announcers are terrible.

[Xville]

Score ?

X up 1 a little over a minute left sju ball

[Cheesehead]

56-57 x up 1:04 left

[HenryMuto]

Come on get a stop!

[coasterville95]

Nothing screams big time Conference than the commercial breaks featuring ads begging you to buy some of these
Tickets we can't sell.

Exciting finish coming.

[Xman95]

Redford should be in this game. He's a weapon on offense and has played good D.

[HenryMuto]

YESSSSSSSSSS now close this out!

[DC Muskie]

We need to hit some shots!

[Xman95]

We need to hit some shots!

And if they lose, we need to do some shots! Hell, if they win we should do some shots!

[coasterville95]

Shot clock violation

[DC Muskie]

We need them to miss some free throws!

[coasterville95]

We foul them with 1.4 left?

[HenryMuto]

You have got to be kidding me

[Cheesehead]

Well FUCK. SAme ref again. He has screwed X all night

[coasterville95]

Down 1 - 1.4 left.

[BMoreX]

Dammit

[oddblob]

Well that was awful.

[coasterville95]

Now the TV show that we got hosed on that shot clock violation

[boozehound]

Dicey foul call there. Usually a no call.

[paulxu]

Hmm...apparantly it wasn't a shot clock violation. Should have been our ball.
And what was Semaj thinking on that last drive. Kick it out to Redford for GOD"S SAKE>

[Xville]

That is about right

[Xman95]

This team didn't deserve the Big Dance. You know you have to win the tourney to get there and this is how you play against this team?

[coasterville95]

Well that sucked

[HenryMuto]

OMG how did he miss ??????????

[oddblob]

How in hell did he miss that? Goddammit

[DC Muskie]

Terrible way to end the season. I'm glad we never have to face Phil Martelli again.

On to next year.

[Xman95]

Hmm...apparantly it wasn't a shot clock violation. Should have been our ball.
And what was Semaj thinking on that last drive. Kick it out to Redford for GOD"S SAKE>

Semaj doesn't think. Give him a couple years though...kid will be nasty.

[Cheesehead]

Now the TV show that we got hosed on that shot clock violation

totally reviewable. Why would they not look at that?

[boozehound]

Taylor literally knocked to the ground. No call.

[paulxu]

Bunny! Would be nice if he knew how to dunk the ball.

[Xman95]

Refs are allowed to look at the replay (I think) on the shot clock violation. Why didn't they at least look at it?

[Atlas]

so close, so close and yet so far

[bjf123]

Well fuck. How do you miss that bunny?!?!?!? Sort of sums up the year.


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[Cheesehead]

and taylor gets plowed out of the lane and no foul. Philmore has to hit that shot though.

[Xavgrad08]

We played horrible defense on that last Saint Joe's posession. We played well at Cintas, which helped hide some of our flaws.

[Cheesehead]

Fuck you a-10!

[beatuc]

Bullcrap, bullcrap, bullcrap. Refs had money on that game. What a bunch of crap.

[Xman95]

Didn't Taylor get bodied to the ground on that last play? Thought that was a foul. Maybe not.

[Porkopolis]

Summary of the season in one play.

[ammtd34]

They called the foul on Semaj with 1.4 left. He was literally on the other side of the floor. No one fouled him. Garbage foul call. Garbage shot clock. How does that not get reviewed?

Still had a chance to win.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Philmore was just in shock that he had such an easy shot. It was like the lady Muskie who had a wide open layup to send x to the final four and she missed it. It was an enjoyable season and its not over yet. At least we don't have to face these mid majors ever again.

[mistabeecee41]

David F'N West's tweet sums it up best.

"Wow"

[aceylone7777]

Middle fingers up as we make our exit...A-10 refs can suck it.

Fuming doesn't even BEGIN to describe it.

[GuyFawkes38]

I would prefer blowouts to that. Ugh.

Luck is such a huge factor in college basketball. Unfortunately, we were unlucky this year.

[Xman95]

and taylor gets plowed out of the lane and no foul. Philmore has to hit that shot though.

Yes, and yes. To all those that say refs shouldn't call fouls because they shouldn't determine the outcome of a game...refs do determine the outcome when they ignore fouls and swallow the whistle. But, as you said, Philmore has to hit that shot. Wow. Looked like Stenger shooting free throws. Well, that's not true, Stenger usually isn't that close on his missed FT's.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Fuck this mid major conference

[Xville]

We played horrible defense on that last posession. We played well at Cintas, which helped hide some of our flaws. Hopefully, we get a NIT invite.

Sorry but what is the nit going to do for this team? I hope the year is over honestly...

[Jesuit4Life]

Gutted.

This one's going to take a while to get past.

[HenryMuto]

Refs are not allowed to review for shot clock violation in the NCAA

[danaandvictory]

Justin Martin's complete lack of any kind of basketball awareness caused the foul on one end, and then a kid blows a wide-open shot from four inches to win the game. I mean, you couldn't make this team up if you tried.

You get up eight points and then you just stop playing. Just stop. No boxing out, no plan offensively, no timeout until the run goes to twelve points.

Robinson takes a baby hook from five feet and buries the ball into the end line. Has that ever happened before in basketball history?

[Juice]

I know Philmore's shot hit the rim on the shot clock violation, but doesn't anyone else think he should have taken it straight up on the left side of the hoop? It would have taken less time and I think he could have drawn contact, which they probably would have ignored but whatever.

[HenryMuto]

You could not have drawn up a better play down 1 with 1.4 left he had a wide open lay up with no one around him and he rushed it. It really sucks that would have been an awesome way to win the game would have been replayed 100 times tonight.

[Xman95]

Philmore was just in shock that he had such an easy shot. It was like the lady Muskie who had a wide open layup to send x to the final four and she missed it. It was an enjoyable season and its not over yet. At least we don't have to face these mid majors ever again.

For all intents and purposes, yes it is. Xavier doesn't play to get into tourneys like the NIT. Now, does that mean they shouldn't go? Absolutely not. It will be more experience for our young kids (and hopefully we can work Farr in a little just for that). But places like Dayton get excited about winning shitty tournaments.

[mistabeecee41]

Justin Martin's complete lack of any kind of basketball awareness caused the foul on one end, and then a kid blows a wide-open shot from four inches to win the game. I mean, you couldn't make this team up if you tried.

You get up eight points and then you just stop playing. Just stop. No boxing out, no plan offensively, no timeout until the run goes to twelve points.

Robinson takes a baby hook from five feet and buries the ball into the end line. Has that ever happened before in basketball history?

don't even necesarily fault j-mart at the end. philmore and taylor were both standing next to big guys on the baseline and both just looked instead of helping.

[DC Muskie]

Quit bitching about the refs. We sucked. We lost to SJU, who sucked a little less tonight.

[Xman95]

Robinson takes a baby hook from five feet and buries the ball into the end line. Has that ever happened before in basketball history?

If it has happened before, it was probably Robinson that did it. Appreciate his four years here, but the kid frustrates the hell out of me. He has the natural gifts to play professionally, possibly in the NBA. But the product we have seen doesn't deserve to even play overseas. Just something missing with that kid.

[GuyFawkes38]

Quit bitching about the refs. We sucked. We lost to SJU, who sucked a little less tonight.

Some much needed perspective. We lost to a sucky team. And if we won, we would have likely lost tomorrow. Still, ugh.

[Cheesehead]

Refs are not allowed to review for shot clock violation in the NCAA

Then why was Mack askingfor review? I guess he doesn't know the rules?

[OTRMUSKIE]

I really don't think X was going to beat VCU so I am over this loss already. I'm ready for the Reds and I for one will look forward to watching this team play in the NIT. Any Xavier Basketball is fun for me. Another thing, I really like Martelli. He really felt bad for Philmore and I truly believe he was sincere.

[paulxu]

A lot of what happens is good defense by the other guy.
But the box score tells a lot of stories.
Robinson 1-1? The last chance of your career and you disappear (or we couldn't find you)
Davis 0-2, 1 point? I'd rather see Redford anyday of the week.
Martin 2-4; we could have used more.
Semaj 3-14. Off night, or did you just not adjust to them putting a blanket over you.

Taylor and Redford; congratulations on representing us with everything you had. Sorry that last basket didn't find its way in for you, so you could live to play tomorrow night.

Mack, you did a lot with a short roster. Thanks for the ride.

[Xman95]

Quit bitching about the refs. We sucked. We lost to SJU, who sucked a little less tonight.

Yep. I mean, the refs sucked, but Xavier still had every opportunity to win. Hell, hit a freakin' 2-footer at the end and you win.

[PMI]

Justin Martin's complete lack of any kind of basketball awareness caused the foul on one end, and then a kid blows a wide-open shot from four inches to win the game. I mean, you couldn't make this team up if you tried.

You get up eight points and then you just stop playing. Just stop. No boxing out, no plan offensively, no timeout until the run goes to twelve points.

Robinson takes a baby hook from five feet and buries the ball into the end line. Has that ever happened before in basketball history?

What else can he do? He can't just let the guy blow by him. It simply was not a foul and the refs let them off the hook. I agree with everything else, and this team is truly special at blowing games, but my god, the refs bailed them out. SJU tried to blow it too. It came down to a ghost call and a ridiculously unlikely makeup opportunity that was an inch long. It's the story of our season.

[HenryMuto]

5 top 50 wins and not even on the bubble those 5 top 50 wins will be many more than the last 4 teams in have some only have 2 or 3. Problem is all those losses. It is a shame Lyons and Wells are no longer here this team could have been special again with those 2 guys.

Very disappointing ending to a very disappointing season.

I still am in shocked he missed the bunny.

Also when the St. Joe's guy was about 25 feet from the basket with 5 seconds left I thought they would never get off a good shot but whoever was gauding him was right in his face which allowed him to drive around him and no one else on X stepped in front.

Questionable call though not sure he even got fouled.

[ammtd34]

Then why was Mack askingfor review? I guess he doesn't know the rules?

I think that's actually right. Shot clock isn't reviewable, which means they just missed it.

[SixFig]

Refs are not allowed to review for shot clock violation in the NCAA

I believe they are allowed. I was at a game last week where they did.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Martin should never ever ever be in at the end of the game on at the defensive end, he has the basketball iq of a 4 year old. Inexcusable for Mack to have him out there after a dead ball with them holding for the last shot.

[drudy23]

We don't play for the NIT...or the CBI...or whatever it's called. Game, set, match.

[Juice]

Martin should never ever ever be in at the end of the game on at the defensive end, he has the basketball iq of a 4 year old. Inexcusable for Mack to have him out there after a dead ball with them holding for the last shot.

And put who in? Robinson. He isn't much better if at all. At least Martin hustled his ass off for most of the game and was a factor.

[ammtd34]

I believe they are allowed. I was at a game last week where they did.

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sports/vanderbilt-cant-change-looks-move-beyond-blown-call

[Xman95]

Martin should never ever ever be in at the end of the game on at the defensive end, he has the basketball iq of a 4 year old. Inexcusable for Mack to have him out there after a dead ball with them holding for the last shot.

No other option. Are you going to put Stenger, The Human Foul, in the game? Honestly, I think we had Davis in too much down the stretch. Redford played very good defense and was hitting shots. Davis didn't do shit today. Brad shouldn't have been out of that game down the stretch. But it's hard to fault Mack after guiding this team to borderline bubble status. This team should have been dead and buried out of the gate, yet Mack had them contending.

[aceylone7777]

It's a shame Dee really has disappeared since that concussion.

[Xville]

Here's the scary part guys...next year is very unknown...Taylor and Redford are gone...outside of semaj we don't have much coming back...hope the guys coming in are as good as advertised. Otherwise we are going to have a repeat of this year. All I know is that if dee is the starting pg at the end of the year we had a bad season

[ThrowDownDBrown]

And put who in? Robinson. He isn't much better if at all. At least Martin hustled his ass off for most of the game and was a factor.

Amos

[OTRMUSKIE]

Well we will be in the NIT so get ready! We will be on the road for all the games. Once again we are better than Dayton. We will be going to the NIT and they will be going to the CBI. Even when we suck we are still better than that school.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Martin should never ever ever be in at the end of the game on at the defensive end, he has the basketball iq of a 4 year old. Inexcusable for Mack to have him out there after a dead ball with them holding for the last shot.

I completely disagree.

[SixFig]

Well we will be in the NIT so get ready!

Hate


We will be on the road for all the games.

Hate


Once again we are better than Dayton.

Who cares


We will be going to the NIT and they will be going to the CBI. Even when we suck we are still better than that school.

If they are our standard then we are FUBAR in the Big East

[HenryMuto]

I believe they are allowed. I was at a game last week where they did.

They are not doesn't anyone remember the Kentucky vs Vandy game on National TV this year when Noel shot the ball after the shot clock with 30 seconds left and the announcers said the reason they didn't review it was you can't review it.

[Cheesehead]

and put who in? Robinson. He isn't much better if at all. At least martin hustled his ass off for most of the game and was a factor.

amos

[Xman95]

Here's the scary part guys...next year is very unknown...Taylor and Redford are gone...outside of semaj we don't have much coming back...hope the guys coming in are as good as advertised. Otherwise we are going to have a repeat of this year. All I know is that if dee is the starting pg at the end of the year we had a bad season

Look for Philmore to be very good for us next year. Think about the leap Taylor made and I expect Philmore's to be similar. Different styles, but I think Philmore will be a much improved player. Hell, he was a different player in the second half of the season. He can play, just needed to adjust to a better league.

I'm also looking forward to Martin coming back. Hopefully all cobwebs from his concussion are gone and he's the player we started to see early this year.

Dee Davis can give solid minutes, but I won't be surprised if Randolph is eventually starting next year with Dee in a super-sub role. Myles Davis should provide shooting, I expect Reynolds to be solid (despite not playing this year), Farr will hopefully have a better grasp of the game...

I think we'll miss Redford more than people realize, but hopefully Smooth Jazz can replace his shooting.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Look for Philmore to be very good for us next year. Think about the leap Taylor made and I expect Philmore's to be similar. Different styles, but I think Philmore will be a much improved player. Hell, he was a different player in the second half of the season. He can play, just needed to adjust to a better league.

I'm also looking forward to Martin coming back. Hopefully all cobwebs from his concussion are gone and he's the player we started to see early this year.

Dee Davis can give solid minutes, but I won't be surprised if Randolph is eventually starting next year with Dee in a super-sub role. Myles Davis should provide shooting, I expect Reynolds to be solid (despite not playing this year), Farr will hopefully have a better grasp of the game...

I think we'll miss Redford more than people realize, but hopefully Smooth Jazz can replace his shooting.

Agreed with everything said here. As angry as I am that Philmore missed that shot, I do like how he played in conference play and think he will have a good senior season.

[Xman95]

amos

That pretty much proves the "who else?" point. You're suggesting a walk-on that shouldn't even log minutes for an elite D1 program. There's a reason Amos only got minutes when our already thin roster melted to the point that it looked like Twiggy. (Old folks will understand that one!)

[GuyFawkes38]

It's important to look at the big picture in this situation. Yes, it sucks for the seniors to go out like that. But overall, the seniors had incredible success at X.

And it sucks that Philmore missed that. But he's drastically improved this year and I'm pumped for him next year.

And we did just lose to a subpar team in the first round of the A10. Lets face it. This team was never on the verge of greatness. Hopefully we'll be in a better position next year.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Amos has made some great defensive stops for us. He blocked the Purdue guy I believe and had a couple other great defensive games.

[Cheesehead]

That pretty much proves the "who else?" point. You're suggesting a walk-on that shouldn't even log minutes for an elite D1 program. There's a reason Amos only got minutes when our already thin roster melted to the point that it looked like Twiggy. (Old folks will understand that one!)

Well, Mack said that Amos is probably the best overall athlete on the team and I realize he is walk-on but he could have played college football, so he is not the typical walk-on. He played this year for defensive purposes. So, call me crazy but yes, Amos.

[Xman95]

Well, Mack said that Amos is probably the best overall athlete on the team and I realize he is walk-on but he could have played college football, so he is not the typical walk-on. He played this year for defensive purposes. So, call me crazy but yes, Amos.

My point is just that this is where this team is. We're legitimately considering a walk-on for end-of-game PT. X was just way too thin this year.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Are we still going to use the concussion as an excuse when Martin no shows in games next year? Can we now use it as an excuse for Dee's poor play as well?

[beatuc]

Not that it's any consolation, but Jay Willaims and Seth Greenburg said the refs screwed up the end of the Xavier/St. Joes game.

[Cheesehead]

My point is just that this is where this team is. We're legitimately considering a walk-on for end-of-game PT. X was just way too thin this year.

No argument there. It is what it is. My point was there was another option. I think Mack should be A-10 coach of the year for how close X was this year.

[Masterofreality]

They called the foul on Semaj with 1.4 left. He was literally on the other side of the floor. No one fouled him. Garbage foul call. Garbage shot clock. How does that not get reviewed?

Still had a chance to win.

Galloway wasn't touched. What a year.

[XUOWNSUC]

Not that it's any consolation, but Jay Willaims and Seth Greenburg said the refs screwed up the end of the Xavier/St. Joes game.

What did they say specifically?

[beatuc]

What did they say specifically?

The foul on Galloway shouldn't have been called, ball hit the rim on the shot clock violation, and Travis Taylor was fouled to end the game.

[GuyFawkes38]

For some reason I thought it might be a violation to hit the backboard or rim on an inbound pass. So, I guess that's legal? Why don't more teams try this?

[drudy23]

For some reason I thought it might be a violation to hit the backboard or rim on an inbound pass. So, I guess that's legal? Why don't more teams try this?

How may times out of 10 do you think someone could throw a 90 foot pass off the backboard at the other end?

[Cheesehead]

The foul on Galloway shouldn't have been called, ball hit the rim on the shot clock violation, and Travis Taylor was fouled to end the game.

Well, sure there's that.

[danaandvictory]

How may times out of 10 do you think someone could throw a 90 foot pass off the backboard at the other end?

I guess Mack asked the refs before the play if the clock started in that circumstance, so maybe it was the plan. If it was that's a hell of a job by Martin.

[Xavgrad08]

I think the rule is that the ball can't hit the rim. Martin's inbound pass hit the backboard, but didn't touch the rim. It was an awesome throw by Martin. Also, after the game Travis Steele said on 700 WLW that the play was not designed to hit the backboard.

[sgarcia]

For some reason I thought it might be a violation to hit the backboard or rim on an inbound pass. So, I guess that's legal? Why don't more teams try this?

Martin came closer to making a 94 foot pass in the hoop then most of his 3 pt attempts.

[casualfan]

Look for Philmore to be very good for us next year. Think about the leap Taylor made and I expect Philmore's to be similar. Different styles, but I think Philmore will be a much improved player. Hell, he was a different player in the second half of the season. He can play, just needed to adjust to a better league.

I'm also looking forward to Martin coming back. Hopefully all cobwebs from his concussion are gone and he's the player we started to see early this year.

Dee Davis can give solid minutes, but I won't be surprised if Randolph is eventually starting next year with Dee in a super-sub role. Myles Davis should provide shooting, I expect Reynolds to be solid (despite not playing this year), Farr will hopefully have a better grasp of the game...

I think we'll miss Redford more than people realize, but hopefully Smooth Jazz can replace his shooting.


Idk man, Making jumps like that are a whole lot different in the A-10 than the Big East. IMO, the biggest difference we will notice in the new league is the quality of the big men as well as the depth.

I got bored today so I started checking out some rosters of teams we'll play next year and there are a lot of good bigs we'll see. Also lots of depth. Just to name a few...

- Devante Gardner (Marquette): 6 '8 290 lbs 11.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg (6th man in the BEAST this year)
- Jamil Wilson (Marquette): 6 '7 225 lbs 9.2 ppg, 4.8 rpg
- Kadeem Batts (Providence): 6 '10 245 lbs 15.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg
- Jayvaughn Pinkston (Villanova): 6 '7 260 lbs 12.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg
- Orlando Sanchez (St. John's): 6 '9 214 (4 * juco transfer)
- Chris Obekpa (St. John's): 6 '9 223 3.8 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 4.1 bpg (leads country in blocks)
- God's Gift Achuwu (St. John's): 6 '8 233 9.0 ppg, 5.6 rpg
- Cleveland Melvin (Depaul): 6 '8 200 lbs 16.6 ppg 6.8 rpg
- Brandon Mobley (Seton Hall): 6 '9 210 lbs 9.0 ppg 5.5 rpg
- Eugene Teague (Seton Hall): 6 '9 290 lbs 11.2 ppg 7.2 rpg


I watched some of the Big East tourney the past few days to see some of the teams that we'll play and I think the biggest adjustment will be that the big guys will no longer be either undersized guys with skills or big stiffs. They will have size and skills. To compare Philmore averaged 7.6 ppg and 5.0 rpg this year. Other than him we'll be relying on a freshman (Reynolds), a former walk-on (Stenger), and a transfer who in his last season averaged 11.4 ppg and 6.8 rpg. Also, if Stainbrook follows the trend of other big men who have recently transferred in from smaller conferences he'll take a bit to get acclimated.

I was really surprised looking through and seeing how much talent these teams bring back, specifically on the front line. Quite honestly it makes me a bit nervous.

[OTRMUSKIE]

No reason to be nervous. We get to play DePaul twice so we will get two wins for sure. Plus X will be hard to beat at home. I think X will be just fine.

[casualfan]

How may times out of 10 do you think someone could throw a 90 foot pass off the backboard at the other end?

a college athlete who practiced it? probably at least half. Especially if they're allowed to run the baseline to get out from under their own hoop.

[ammtd34]

Martin came closer to making a 94 foot pass in the hoop then most of his 3 pt attempts.



We have a winner.

[drudy23]

I think the rule is that the ball can't hit the rim. Martin's inbound pass hit the backboard, but didn't touch the rim. It was an awesome throw by Martin. Also, after the game Travis Steele said on 700 WLW that the play was not designed to hit the backboard.

If it wasn't the design of the play, how was it an awesome throw? Wouldn't that make it a terrible throw?

[PMI]

How may times out of 10 do you think someone could throw a 90 foot pass off the backboard at the other end?

Probably more than you think. It's not like trying to make the shot. It's a backboard.

[DC Muskie]

I would imagine if I was 6'6" and in tremendous shape, I could hit the backboard from one of the court to the other on a pass.

[ammtd34]

Probably more than you think. It's not like trying to make the shot. It's a backboard.

Right. It's not really hard. I'm a goalkeeper. Conservatively, I could do it 6/10.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

All you people who are worried about next year relax right now. This year isn't over yet. Now if Semaj goes pro (I doubt he does) then you can worry. Stainbrook was the lone player inside for Western Michigan and he played well against good teams for them. Phillmore is better and looked better at the end of the year than Taylor looked all last year. We have Farr who might be able to bring 5-10 minutes off of the bench and Reynolds who was playing better than McGary at Brewster last year.

Christon should come back, Davis will have another year, we get Myles Davis who is basically Redford for shooting and is more athletic and bigger, we get Randolph who should be getting 10-15 minutes off of the bench. Really I am more worried about Martin becoming Robinson 2.0 and am hoping that Kamall Richards (this kid is kind of a Parrom type do anything you ask of him) pushes him in practice.

Xavier won't be top 25 next year but you should not be worried in the least about another year like this. We will have DI athletes to bring off of the bench to spell our starters. You won't see them getting gassed by the end of games like this year.

[PMI]

All you people who are worried about next year relax right now. This year isn't over yet. Now if Semaj goes pro (I doubt he does) then you can worry. Stainbrook was the lone player inside for Western Michigan and he played well against good teams for them. Phillmore is better and looked better at the end of the year than Taylor looked all last year. We have Farr who might be able to bring 5-10 minutes off of the bench and Reynolds who was playing better than McGary at Brewster last year.

Christon should come back, Davis will have another year, we get Myles Davis who is basically Redford for shooting and is more athletic and bigger, we get Randolph who should be getting 10-15 minutes off of the bench. Really I am more worried about Martin becoming Robinson 2.0 and am hoping that Kamall Richards (this kid is kind of a Parrom type do anything you ask of him) pushes him in practice.

Xavier won't be top 25 next year but you should not be worried in the least about another year like this. We will have DI athletes to bring off of the bench to spell our starters. You won't see them getting gassed by the end of games like this year.

Why shouldn't Xavier be top 25 next year? I expect us to be, assuming there are no unforeseen roster changes. Semaj will be a Big East POY candidate, legitimately. The Stainbrook you remember from Western Michigan is a shadow of the current one. The kid has lost a ton of weight and has been dominant in practice. His basketball IQ, touch and size will make him an outstanding offensive option. Martin is the major wild card, but we're pretty set everywhere else. Xavier should definitely be good enough to be in the top 25.

[casualfan]

All you people who are worried about next year relax right now. This year isn't over yet. Now if Semaj goes pro (I doubt he does) then you can worry. Stainbrook was the lone player inside for Western Michigan and he played well against good teams for them. Phillmore is better and looked better at the end of the year than Taylor looked all last year. We have Farr who might be able to bring 5-10 minutes off of the bench and Reynolds who was playing better than McGary at Brewster last year.

Christon should come back, Davis will have another year, we get Myles Davis who is basically Redford for shooting and is more athletic and bigger, we get Randolph who should be getting 10-15 minutes off of the bench. Really I am more worried about Martin becoming Robinson 2.0 and am hoping that Kamall Richards (this kid is kind of a Parrom type do anything you ask of him) pushes him in practice.

Xavier won't be top 25 next year but you should not be worried in the least about another year like this. We will have DI athletes to bring off of the bench to spell our starters. You won't see them getting gassed by the end of games like this year.

Doing it against a few high level D1 teams spread out over the course of the season is a little different than doing it against those teams on a night in, night out basis. I'm not saying he won't be a good player just that comparing a few games against those kind of teams isn't exactly apples and apples with what we'll face next year.

I just hope people are patient. There aren't going to be any breaks on the schedule once conference play gets rolling.

This team will still be relying on a lot of guys in their first or second year in the program next year

[usfldan]

Probably more than you think. It's not like trying to make the shot. It's a backboard.

For it to be part of an actual play, it would be similar to making the shot. You can't just throw it anywhere off the backboard, you have to hit a relatively specific spot. If Philmore is on the left and Martin's pass hits the right side of the backboard, you lose. You also have the rim to contend with, either on the throw or on a ricochet, which further reduces the area you can hit with success. Add in the fact there are opposing players in the way making it harder to connect with the intended target. I think the only reason it came close to working is because it wasn't the plan, so nobody was guarding against it.

So I think there's only a slightly higher precentage of this working as a play than there is in having the player just throw the ball directly into the hoop (which wouldn't count anyway).