Super Bowl (Roman Numerals)

[GoMuskies]

I don't really like either team, but I am now cheering for the Niners to come back and win so that we get to hear all the conspiracy theories about the lights going out. 28-13 now. One score away from making it scary for Baltimore.

[xsteve1]

When it was 28-6 I took Ravens in game -12 1/2 now its 28-23.. So much for that bet.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

Bad end zone calls ended the ref lock out and the Super Bowl. Go figure.

Ha!

[BMoreX]

What a night!

[MD Muskie]

Bad end zone calls ended the ref lock out and the Super Bowl. Go figure.

Ha!

That may have been a bad call at the end zone on that last play, but there was absolutely no certainity that Crabtree was going to catch that ball. It was thrown to the outside of the out of bounds line, and high. Odds were he would have been pushed out of bounds before he came down with the ball.

And before people call me a homer, I am and always will be a Redskins fan.

[ammtd34]

That may have been a bad call at the end zone on that last play, but there was absolutely no certainity that Crabtree was going to catch that ball. It was thrown to the outside of the out of bounds line, and high. Odds were he would have been pushed out of bounds before he came down with the ball.

And before people call me a homer, I am and always will be a Redskins fan.

The ball doesn't have to be catchable on a defensive holding call.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

Setting a trap for d-holding or PI is part of that play. You go looking for it. Just like you look for a foul on an aggressive drive to the hoop as time is running out in BB. Either penalty or a completion "works". Or maybe I've just seen either called on the Bears too many times.

Weird but entertaining game.

Color me agnostic about the outcome, too.

[MD Muskie]

The ball doesn't have to be catchable on a defensive holding call.

I know that about the rule. I am merely point out that if that holding never occurred, the probablity of that ball being caught is still low because of where the ball was coming down. It was going to be tough for Crabtree to come down with the ball cleaning. That is all i am saying.

[BMoreX]

It was a tossup call that could've gone both ways. Both guys were holding and grabbing at each other. The refs were letting them play all game.

[coasterville95]

XU Athletics had a tweet last night about how "this would never happen at Cintas Center" (re: super bowl blackout)

I'm sure just in jest, but isn't that ASKING for it? (Jinx)

Anyway, I think we already had it, wasn't there a game several years back, Creighton or Virginia, that tip off was delayed for about 20-25 minutes for a similar reason. (Lights had gone out, instead of the dampers being used during the lights-out intros, and we had to sit with the backup lighting until the main lights could cycle.

[Muskie]

Everyone is talking about the crabtree hold. But what about the helmet to helmet hit the play or two before?

[JTG]

If anyone recorded the game, watch the kickoff return for a TD. Maybe the worst no call in history. Niner defender right in Jones path, is bearhugged front and back by TWO Ravens. One guy holding him from the front and one from the back. He looked like a Raven sandwich. I hate officials in general, but you call a game one way the whole season, and then in the Super Bowl, it's whatever you can get away with. Maybe the worst since the Steelers were gifted a Super Bowl over Seattle by the officials.

[Kahns Krazy]

That may have been a bad call at the end zone on that last play, but there was absolutely no certainity that Crabtree was going to catch that ball. It was thrown to the outside of the out of bounds line, and high. Odds were he would have been pushed out of bounds before he came down with the ball.

And before people call me a homer, I am and always will be a Redskins fan.

If Crabtree is in position, that is an easily catchable ball. It was chest high when it crossed the sideline.

There was a pass interference call and a helmet hit no call in that posession as well, and some rediculous holding on the Ravens taking the safety that was not called.

There is also clear video of a Ravens player shoving a ref in the scrum after Reed's interception that gets you ejected from any game during the regular season.

I don't think that the refs cost SF the game, but I do think it was some shitty reffing.

I'm amused by the message board chatter this morning that the Niners wouldn't have been in the game if not for the blackout, as though there is something about a blackout that unfairly favored the 49'ers.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

If Crabtree is in position, that is an easily catchable ball. It was chest high when it crossed the sideline.

Korrect.

[BMoreX]

What about Akers' flop that gave the Niners 3 points?
What about the late hit no-call on Flacco that would have given the Ravens a chance at 7 instead of settling for a field goal?
There was also a play where Torrey Smith was clearly held and no call was thrown.

The refs let both teams play physical all game.

To say that they were one-sided is ridiculous though. Sure, everyone thinks they were out to get the Niners because of that 4th down play. You can't just argue that they were terrible on that drive though.

I'm still baffled that San Fran did not try to run the ball on the goalline. Their pistol offense was extremely successful in the second half and then they abruptly stopped. Their running game is their biggest strength. The Ravens wanted to exploit Kaep's weakness by blitzing and forcing him to make a quick throw. It succeeded.

[drudy23]

I'm amused by the message board chatter this morning that the Niners wouldn't have been in the game if not for the blackout, as though there is something about a blackout that unfairly favored the 49'ers.

This...I can't figure out this reasoning either.

[drudy23]

Ravens wanted to exploit Kaep's weakness by blitzing and forcing him to make a quick throw. It succeeded.

This x 2...there were two goal line sitauations where CK simply threw the ball up in the air because he was about to get drilled on a blitz. Everyone kept saying "why throw the fade there"....I doubt the play call was a fade. He had to get rid of it because a safety was about to blow him up on the blitz.

[Xman95]

XU Athletics had a tweet last night about how "this would never happen at Cintas Center" (re: super bowl blackout)

By the way, the national media went crazy after the X/UC fight last year. Where's the outrage today about the scrum the 49ers and Ravens got into early in the game. Took a little while for refs to get them under control. And those are grown ass men that should be able to control their emotions better than some 18-22-yr-olds.

(For the record, I have no issues with the skirmish yesterday. But I also thought the X/UC thing was blown way out of proportion and wasn't really that big of a deal.)

[DC Muskie]

The refs let both teams play physical all game.

No kidding. They even let the players be physical with them.

How Cary Williams wasn't thrown out of the game is simply mind boggling. It was the only call that wasn't made that was truly ridiculous.

[BMoreX]

No kidding. They even let the players be physical with them.

How Cary Williams wasn't thrown out of the game is simply mind boggling. It was the only call that wasn't made that was truly ridiculous.

Yeah I was certain he would have been ejected. I've hated Williams for a while now. He's a punk; I'm glad he rejected the Ravens 3 year $15M deal this past offseason.

[chico]

The play calling for the Niners near the goal line was curious at best.

The refs were not good, but the Niners lost that game. The first play of the game the Niners mess up and cost themselves a first down. Another penalty on third down gives the Ravens another play which they convert for a touchdown.

[PM Thor]

Everyone is talking about the crabtree hold. But what about the helmet to helmet hit the play or two before?

Or you know, outright shoving a ref, just like the Ravens did.

It was a hold on the 4th and goal. That gets called 9 out of 10 times in the regular season.

I HATE dayton.

[BMoreX]

Just to play devil's advocate since it seems like 95-99% of everyone here was in favor of the Niners, here is a photo breakdown of the 4th down play.

http://imgur.com/a/SGoSi#0

[bjf123]

I'm guessing the person who put that together is a Ravens fan. It's never mentioned, nor shown, how Smith grabs a handful of Crabtree's jersey and pulls him away from his route. You can argue it back and forth, but it wasn't called. Should it have been? Maybe defensive holding, but not pass interference.


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[BMoreX]

I'm guessing the person who put that together is a Ravens fan. It's never mentioned, nor shown, how Smith grabs a handful of Crabtree's jersey and pulls him away from his route. You can argue it back and forth, but it wasn't called. Should it have been? Maybe defensive holding, but not pass interference.


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Yeah, it was. Again, just as a devil's advocate; It was meant more as a different view, seeing how everyone and their mothers is just talking about the defensive holding.

[Kahns Krazy]

Just to play devil's advocate since it seems like 95-99% of everyone here was in favor of the Niners, here is a photo breakdown of the 4th down play.

http://imgur.com/a/SGoSi#0

Ho ho ho. That is hilarious. Do you really consider that an accurate depiction of what happened on that play?

Here are some videos, instead of selected frames with interpretive text, of the last two minutes.

I'm interested in your "objective" take on the helmet to helmet hit and the absurd holding on the punt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TinDQSUww5U

[BMoreX]

If you're not willing to admit that Crabtree had his hands all over Smith as well, I'm not sure what to say.

Given the lack of holding/PI calls all game and the fact that both the WR and the CB were holding and pushing off of each other, I think not throwing a flag there is correct.

[JTG]

Just to play devil's advocate since it seems like 95-99% of everyone here was in favor of the Niners, here is a photo breakdown of the 4th down play.

http://imgur.com/a/SGoSi#0

Maybe that's because their defensive leader committed murder and got away with it, and now spews this" God is on my side shit" all the time.

[DC Muskie]

If you're not willing to admit that Crabtree had his hands all over Smith as well, I'm not sure what to say.

Given the lack of holding/PI calls all game and the fact that both the WR and the CB were holding and pushing off of each other, I think not throwing a flag there is correct.

This is really silly argument on so many levels.

One, it really doesn't matter if Crabtree had his hands all over Smith. It was past the five yard area that allows for such contact. I imagine that I too would be trying to get a defensive player off of me if he was holding me after five yards.

Also, since they didn't call defensive holding or pass interference all game, they should never call it? Okay. That makes sense. The league has made it a point to allow offensive players the ability to get open. Not sure why all of sudden the refs swallowed their whistles on that one.

Personally when I watched the play in real time, I didn't see the holding. But it certainly looks like there was. I also don't think Crabtree would have caught the ball if there wasn't contact. But in the end it doesn't matter.

Personally I take away the fact that Art Modell is never ever going into the Hall of Fame, and I'm fine with that.

[BMoreX]

Ho ho ho. That is hilarious. Do you really consider that an accurate depiction of what happened on that play?

Here are some videos, instead of selected frames with interpretive text, of the last two minutes.

I'm interested in your "objective" take on the helmet to helmet hit and the absurd holding on the punt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TinDQSUww5U

Should have been HTH. If you're talking about the holding on the last punt of the game, all it does is let the Ravens re-punt (but waste valuable time off the clock). Kind of cheap, absolutely, but similar to what the Giants did in last year's Super Bowl when they put 12 men on the field.

Listen guys I'm trying to have a civil discussion here. I fully admit that Smith held Crabtree. All I am trying to point out is that Crabtree sdid some holding and shoving of his own as well. If you're going to bring in the "Ray Lewis is a murderer" stuff, well, I'm just not going to waste my time discussing it because it's just not worth it.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I have to agree with Bmore on this one. My supporting evidence is overwhelming on why that no call was correct. It is as follows:

Ticket #: 25670241
Feb 03 03:32 PM
NFL
STRAIGHT BET
[101] RAVENS (BAL) +175
20 /35 35 WIN


Ticket #: 25671028
Feb 03 03:32 PM
Feb 03 03:32 PM
NFL
PARLAY (2 TEAMS)
[101] TOTAL o47½-110
(RAVENS (BAL) vrs NINERS (SF))
[101] RAVENS (BAL) +175
10 /42 42 WIN

I rest my case. I cleaned up last night. Took the points, over and parlayed them too. Won about $300 last night. It won't get me that yacht I want...but its better than a kick in the balls.

[BMoreX]

Hahahaha public reps

[RealDeal]

I thought Beyonce looked pretty good.

[LA Muskie]

I thought Beyonce looked pretty good.

I thought Beyonce looked like that 32 year old mom trying way too hard to look "sexy" at the club. But maybe that's just an LA thing...

[XULucho27]

I think the TO Harbaugh called to avoid the delay of game was a mistake (hindsight, of course, but I did mention it loudly to myself and my dog when it occurred). In that case, I think you take the five yard penalty. Even with the flag you still get two shots at the endzone from a reasonable distance. If you can't convert, you still have them pinned deep and give yourself a bit more time with the extra timeout.

At worst, Ray Lewis is a murderer. At best, he has a predilection for misplacing key pieces of evidence, obstructing justice, and loud prosthelytizing.

[Kahns Krazy]

Should have been HTH. If you're talking about the holding on the last punt of the game, all it does is let the Ravens re-punt (but waste valuable time off the clock). Kind of cheap, absolutely, but similar to what the Giants did in last year's Super Bowl when they put 12 men on the field.

Listen guys I'm trying to have a civil discussion here. I fully admit that Smith held Crabtree. All I am trying to point out is that Crabtree sdid some holding and shoving of his own as well. If you're going to bring in the "Ray Lewis is a murderer" stuff, well, I'm just not going to waste my time discussing it because it's just not worth it.

Do you really think the ref thought "well I just won't throw the flag because all it will do is let the Ravens re-punt" while the play was still happening? It was a hold, and the flag should have been thrown. The play was still going and for all the ref knew, the Ravens were still trying to punt or run a fake.

I said already that I don't think it cost SF the game, but my opinion- backed by several examples- is that the bad calls went against the Niners especially at the end. It's kind of a shame, because the end was otherwise very exciting.

[BMoreX]

Do you really think the ref thought "well I just won't throw the flag because all it will do is let the Ravens re-punt" while the play was still happening? It was a hold, and the flag should have been thrown. The play was still going and for all the ref knew, the Ravens were still trying to punt or run a fake.

I said already that I don't think it cost SF the game, but my opinion- backed by several examples- is that the bad calls went against the Niners especially at the end. It's kind of a shame, because the end was otherwise very exciting.

No it absolutely should've been called. I actually laughed out loud because it was so blatant on TV. My point was that that hold was essentially meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

[Lloyd Braun]

Should have been HTH. If you're talking about the holding on the last punt of the game, all it does is let the Ravens re-punt (but waste valuable time off the clock). Kind of cheap, absolutely, but similar to what the Giants did in last year's Super Bowl when they put 12 men on the field.

Listen guys I'm trying to have a civil discussion here. I fully admit that Smith held Crabtree. All I am trying to point out is that Crabtree sdid some holding and shoving of his own as well. If you're going to bring in the "Ray Lewis is a murderer" stuff, well, I'm just not going to waste my time discussing it because it's just not worth it.

A hold in the end zone is a safety. It probably would not have changed the game. The Ravens player that shoved the ref may have changed the game though had he been ejected. Oh, and Art can burn in hell.

[Muskie]

The decision to take the safety netted me $70 in one of those score box things. Thanks Jon Harbaugh

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[GuyFawkes38]

I thought Beyonce looked like that 32 year old mom trying way too hard to look "sexy" at the club. But maybe that's just an LA thing...

I'm not sure if it's a LA thing. But it's a good thing.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I heard a good one on the radio yesterday.

"Ray Lewis didn't kill the lights....but he was there." Haha!!

[Kahns Krazy]

I thought Beyonce looked pretty good.

People where I was kept asking if she was lip syncing. I was trying very hard to see, but I couldn't tell if they were in sync or not. I did see a little cameltoe though.

[LA Muskie]

People where I was kept asking if she was lip syncing. I was trying very hard to see, but I couldn't tell if they were in sync or not. I did see a little cameltoe though.
I don't think there's any chance she'd risk lip syncing after the Inauguration debacle. I actually thought she would choreograph a little slip-up just to make it clear that she was doing it live.

[DC Muskie]

I don't think there's any chance she'd risk lip syncing after the Inauguration debacle.

Was that considered a debacle? Or is that another LA thing?

[LA Muskie]

Was that considered a debacle? Or is that another LA thing?
I actually hesitated to use that word when I was typing my post. But I couldn't think of anything better. It certainly got a lot of press out here -- nearly all of which was negative -- but I'll grant you that it probably didn't rise to "debacle" level. What was the word on the street in DC?

[DC Muskie]

What was the word on the street in DC?

Nobody really cares. It had the same response as when we found out Yo-Yo Ma didn't actually play four years before. People basically understand that shit is cold out here and if you have to, lip sync it.

Personally I could care less. I thought it was a brilliant move by her to gain more publicity. These artists don't just "do" something. It's all orchestrated for sure.

Pretty much a small story that ended quickly and veered back into other political topics.

[Kahns Krazy]

For the record, my crude joke was not a reference to the lips she sings with, though I bet she makes some sweet sweet music with them.