Arizona and their game clocks

[BlueX]

Must be one of the benefits of being a lexus to be given 2 games because of the refs incompetence.

Today vs Colorado http://deadspin.com/5973038/colorado-hits-buzzer+beater-to-upset-third+ranked-arizona-referees-wave-it-off-for-no-reason?post=55800571

A few years ago vs lipscomb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSPKTu21jQY&feature=player_embedded

[xsteve1]

Haven't seen the shot yet but I heard Colorado got screwed. You take Lyons off that Arizona team and they have at least 4 losses.

[GuyFawkes38]

A simple measure would help this type of situation. Like the NFL first implemented, college basketball should adopt an "indisputable evidence" bar. Right now they don't have that. The replay was inconclusive (after looking at several still images, I can't tell). They should have gone with what was called on the court.

[XUglow]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_vBCodCUAAOf68.jpg

Inconclusive????

[outsideobserver11]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_vBCodCUAAOf68.jpg

Inconclusive????

That picture doesn't help too much because the official clock (above basket) is already out. If you watch in real time, the arena clock and the TV clock don't appear to match up so its tough to call. When reviewing the shot the only clock they are allowed to use is the one above the basket which is best seen from the behind angle, and with that angle its pretty difficult to tell when his hand leaves the ball in this instance.

This same disparity in clocks happened in the UC loss to New Mexico because they hit a shot that was about a second after the buzzer sounded but the TV clock still showed 0.3 seconds. I'm not sure how they get out of alignment though.

[STL_XUfan]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_vBCodCUAAOf68.jpg

Inconclusive????

Look at the clock on the basket.

[BMoreX]

I'm no cable/HD expert, but he was saying that some schools do not have high definition instant replay for the refs' monitors. They may only have standard, so the pristine views we see at home on our televisions are probably better. In the NCAA tournament, they use the HD replay, but it is not mandatory across all of the conferences (the ACC has one in place for every arena). Again, why is it not mandatory?

As for Tad Boyle not wanting replay, I would bet that is just an immediate reaction. He will hate the result forever, but he will change his mind today about keeping instant replay.

EDIT: Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz
From our game crew: The monitor the officials in CU-Arizona used court-side was standard def, not HD.

And this makes sense as to why they made the call they made. Blame the PAC-12 for not implementing a better system, not the referees. (At least until we can see the SD view that they got.)

[drudy23]

Who can afford HD when you have those Lexus's?

[SM#24]

Haven't seen the shot yet but I heard Colorado got screwed. You take Lyons off that Arizona team and they have at least 4 losses.
Put him back on X and we have at least 4 less losses. Mark & Dez are combined 25-1 so far...I know it doesn't mean anything or relate to anything, I'm just sayin'

[GuyFawkes38]

Just too close to call.
http://forum.goazcats.com/showpost.php?p=1973159&postcount=123

In that situation, they should go with the call on the court.

[xsteve1]

Put him back on X and we have at least 4 less losses. Mark & Dez are combined 25-1 so far...I know it doesn't mean anything or relate to anything, I'm just sayin'

You're speaking to the choir. We probably are undefeated with those 2. Maryland's schedule OOC was an absolute joke. Dez can't be enjoying that competition.

[XUglow]

That picture doesn't help too much because the official clock (above basket) is already out. If you watch in real time, the arena clock and the TV clock don't appear to match up so its tough to call. When reviewing the shot the only clock they are allowed to use is the one above the basket which is best seen from the behind angle, and with that angle its pretty difficult to tell when his hand leaves the ball in this instance.

This same disparity in clocks happened in the UC loss to New Mexico because they hit a shot that was about a second after the buzzer sounded but the TV clock still showed 0.3 seconds. I'm not sure how they get out of alignment though.

The little clock on the screen was the justification for counting the shot for AZ against Lipscomb. Now it isn't accurate. AZ people want it both ways. Oh yes, and they get it both ways. It was called good on the court, so the proof should have been to show that the ball was still in his hands when the clock hit 0 and not to prove that the ball was out of his hands when the clock hit 0.

[XUglow]

Just too close to call.
http://forum.goazcats.com/showpost.php?p=1973159&postcount=123

In that situation, they should go with the call on the court.


I just looked at this post. The stupid red light is graphically added to the first frame where it appears. Look at the 2 images. The red box clearly isn't in the same place for the 2 images. Conspiracy? F' yeah.

[Masterofreality]

I just looked at this post. The stupid red light is graphically added to the first frame where it appears. Look at the 2 images. The red box clearly isn't in the same place for the 2 images. Conspiracy? F' yeah.

The back view is not he best one. There is a side view that clearly shows A) .01 left on the clock and B) A clear space between the ball and Chen's fingers. You won't see that on the AZ board.

The Desert Raccoon has definitely acquired Bobby Thuggs former pact with Satan. Literally the luckiest team I have ever, evvvvvverrrr, seen.

[X-band '01]

Is the red light lit around the backboard? I can't tell if it's on or off on that picture.

[xubrew]

That picture doesn't help too much because the official clock (above basket) is already out. If you watch in real time, the arena clock and the TV clock don't appear to match up so its tough to call. When reviewing the shot the only clock they are allowed to use is the one above the basket which is best seen from the behind angle, and with that angle its pretty difficult to tell when his hand leaves the ball in this instance.

This same disparity in clocks happened in the UC loss to New Mexico because they hit a shot that was about a second after the buzzer sounded but the TV clock still showed 0.3 seconds. I'm not sure how they get out of alignment though.

The clock on TV is always delayed by fractions of a second. Always. It always has been. It's just that you only notice it in times like this. Whatever the process is of transmitting the clock onto the screen takes fractions of a second to transmit, and therefore the clock is always fractions of a second off. The clock on TV is NOT the official time. It is on there entirely for the benefit of the viewing audience, so the fact that it is fractions of a second off really doesn't matter. I don't think most people understand that when they go berserk over a "blown" call at the buzzer. They can't use the clock that is transmitted onto TV that most fans look at. They HAVE to go with the one behind the backbboard.

Many people who are going berserk are showing a picture of the light on and the ball out of his hands to make their point. I don't get that. Any picture where the light is on and the ball is out of his hands tells you nothing. What you need is a picture where the ball is out of his hands BEFORE the light comes on.

Also, it has to BEAT the buzzer, not tie it. The tie does not go to the shooter.

With that in mind, let me say this. I do think the shot should have counted. As I stated earlier, we need a picture where the ball is out of his hands and the light is not on. That's what the picture below seems to indicate, although it's possible that the ball is still on the end of his fingernails or something because his hand appears as a blur....

http://30fps.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/2013-January-3-22-37-7.jpg

I do not blame the refs for making the call they did, though. I don't think they had access to the angle depicted above. Also, waving off the shot did not end the game. Had the score not been tied, I think they would have taken a lot more time with it. But, since it was so close and so questionable, I can see why they'd go with the call that sends it to overtime rather than the call that ends the game.

Should the shot have counted?? Probably. But, I can see why the refs made hte call they did and I don't blame them. From the angle that is behind the basket, which is hte one they were looking at, you really cannot tell.