A-10 Dregs stink again

[Masterofreality]

F- m, GW, LaSuck and Rhodee all lost their opening games to second rate teams from nondescript conferences!

Way to jack up that League RPI, poseurs.

[GoMuskies]

LaSuck won their opener over Delaware, who is sometimes pretty good (no idea about this year). I think you meant Dookane, who fell at mighty Albany in their opener. They are tipping off now for their shot at redemption at G'town (good luck with that!).

Good news is that Charlotte got a 10 point win over Charleston Southern, who must be fantastic this year. Afterall, they have a three point lead at Arizona midway through the first half.

[Masterofreality]

LaSuck won their opener over Delaware, who is sometimes pretty good (no idea about this year). I think you meant Dookane, who fell at mighty Albany in their opener. They are tipping off now for their shot at redemption at G'town (good luck with that!).

Good news is that Charlotte got a 10 point win over Charleston Southern, who must be fantastic this year. Afterall, they have a three point lead at Arizona midway through the first half.

You are correct, sir! My screwup.

I get my dregs from Pennsylvania confused sometimes.

[xudash]

You are correct, sir! My screwup.

I get my dregs from Pennsylvania confused sometimes.

Actually, give it some time and you'll be right. It is inevitable that LaSalle will screw up.

[GoMuskies]

Seems like Georgetown might be an A-10 dreg if they were in the league this year.

[vee4xu]

My "other" alma mater, The Youngstown State University, beat GW. I love the Penguins, but really don't want them beating A-10 teams.

[GoMuskies]

Fordham got nipped by Pitt, 86-51. Rhody edged by VaTech, 69-50.

And Youngstown struck again, beating Georgia. Apparently the Pelicans are legit.

[vee4xu]

Conversely, YSU can feel free to beat up on any SEC team.

[XUglow]

Conversely, YSU can feel free to beat up on any SEC team.

Like that would be hard outside of the top 3 or 4 teams.

[xubrew]

I think La Salle could end up close to the bubble this year.

Delaware is a good team. They have all their starters back, and won their last eight or nine games going into the Colonial tournament last year. Many feel they can give Drexel a run for the conference title. It's not the kind of win that will completely blow you away, but it's still a nice win.

Fordham, on the other hand, opened their season against Texas State, who is probably the weakest team on their schedule. They lost. Texas State hasn't had a winning record in over a decade, and routinely finishes outside the RPI top 250.

Fordham is terrible. It makes me crazy how they just don't even try.

[muskiefan82]

I think La Salle could end up close to the bubble this year.



The Atlantic 16 tournament bubble?

[blueblob06]

My "other" alma mater, The Youngstown State University, beat GW. I love the Penguins, but really don't want them beating A-10 teams.
I remember a few years back when Youngstown State played us at Cintas. A guy, probably in his late 20s, walked into my section in a full penguin suit (only his face and his hands were not covered by the suit) and sat several rows in front of me. He just sat there seemingly emotionless. I never saw him stand up and cheer or anything. When we won, he just stood up and walked out. I don't know why but I found it hilarious.

[ballyhoohoo]

I remember a few years back when Youngstown State played us at Cintas. A guy, probably in his late 20s, walked into my section in a full penguin suit (only his face and his hands were not covered by the suit) and sat several rows in front of me. He just sat there seemingly emotionless. I never saw him stand up and cheer or anything. When we won, he just stood up and walked out. I don't know why but I found it hilarious.

Simply amazing.

[xubrew]

The Atlantic 16 tournament bubble?

No, the NCAA Tournament bubble.

I know this sounds crazy, but I actually think this La Salle team will be much better than what we're used to seeing. They won 21 games a year ago, and have four starters back. I know they lost to Fordham down the stretch, but they did show signs of life too. Late in the year they won at UMass, lost to Temple in overtime, beat Saint Bonaventure (who was playing well at the time, and ultimately won the A10 tournament), and played pretty well in their final game agianst Saint Louis.

I know a win over Delaware doesn't sound exciting on the surface, but Delaware is a good team as well. They also finished strong and returned all their starters.

[MCXU]

Simply amazing.


So the penguin was Jewish.?.?.?

[GoMuskies]

UMass narrowly avoided becoming part of the dregs by losing to Harvard today. Rallied from 5 down with about 90 seconds to play.

[vee4xu]

I watched a good part of the UMass game while working out during lunchtime. Harvard missed what seemed like 10 bunnies and UMass went about 7 minutes without scoring. In the end, Harvard made some boneheaded mistakes that cost them a game in which neither team looked very good while I was watching. Temple beat Kent State pretty badly.

[GoMuskies]

They're not dregs, but VCU takes the L at the hands of "my" Shox! Go WSU!

[STL_XUfan]

Butler gets beat senseless by a team being completely remodeled.....

[paulxu]

They're not dregs, but VCU takes the L at the hands of "my" Shox! Go WSU!

Well that surprised the hell outta me. I thought VCU returned a lot of the last year team, and had good additions.
I've been hearing about "havoc" ad nauseum. Would have thought they could take WSU. Then of course I only missed the pick'em score by about 20 on the X game...so I don't know sh$t anyway.

[GoMuskies]

I went to see WSU play North Carolina Central last Saturday, and while the game was never in doubt, NCCU gave WSU fits with their pressure D. I was expecting a much better VCU team to basically run a lay-up drill on the Shockers. VCU only turning the Shockers over 13 times was very surprising.

Looks like I might have two good teams to follow again this year afterall.

[xubrew]

Well that surprised the hell outta me. I thought VCU returned a lot of the last year team, and had good additions.
I've been hearing about "havoc" ad nauseum. Would have thought they could take WSU. Then of course I only missed the pick'em score by about 20 on the X game...so I don't know sh$t anyway.

Two of the good additions are ineligible. That, and for whatever reason it always seems to take VCU a few games to get rolling. I'm not going to say that I was expecting it, but I still think VCU will have a big year. Last year, three of their six losses came in November and they struggled to beat some weak teams at the start of the season.

[xsteve1]

Bobby Morris beats up on Fordham (74-58). Chris Gaston hasn't improved at all since his freshman year.

[Masterofreality]

Well that surprised the hell outta me. I thought VCU returned a lot of the last year team, and had good additions.
I've been hearing about "havoc" ad nauseum. Would have thought they could take WSU. Then of course I only missed the pick'em score by about 20 on the X game...so I don't know sh$t anyway.

VCU must already have the stink of the association with Fordham and LaSuck on it.

Enter the A-10 and immediately suck.

[Masterofreality]

And St. Louis is adding to the time honored tradition of A10 teams sucking in the non-conference, thereby ruining the total RPI.

Down 60-44 to Santa Clara with 10 minutes to go.

Atta boy, Jim Crews!!!!!!!

[GoMuskies]

With the exception of Temple and St. Joe's, this league blows. The flagship will have to come to the rescue again. No drydock this year as previously expected.

[xavierj]

And St. Louis is adding to the time honored tradition of A10 teams sucking in the non-conference, thereby ruining the total RPI.

Down 60-44 to Santa Clara with 10 minutes to go.

Atta boy, Jim Crews!!!!!!!

Kwamain Mitchell is out right now but still.

[Masterofreality]

At least Bona held on to beat Cornell.

[bobbiemcgee]

Flyers get smoked by Colorado? Xavier (Johnson) was the star for Co.

[Masterofreality]

Yep. udump takes a, errr, dump.

The Desert Raccoon's midget brother certainly has that program going in the right direction. Of course, we know that they'll play out of their collective asses against us after trashing the A-16's RPI in non-conference.

Nicely done, Cryers.

[ammtd34]

Yep. udump takes a, errr, dump.

The Desert Raccoon's midget brother certainly has that program going in the right direction. Of course, we know that they'll play out of their collective asses against us after trashing the A-16's RPI in non-conference.

Nicely done, Cryers.

But they're going to start out-recruiting Xavier soon. Real soon. Just wait. Right?

RIGHT?

[xsteve1]

Lasalle loses to Central Conn. St 81-74. Some things never change.

[xudash]

lasalle loses to central conn. St 81-74. Some things never change.

we have to find a way to not be in a league with that program. We just have to.

[X-band '01]

Let me know when LaSalle-Explorers.com comes out with their game recap and the officials' grades. Even Dayton fans don't stoop that low when it comes to officiating.

[Masterofreality]

Lasalle loses to Central Conn. St 81-74. Some things never change.

So, I wasn't wrong after all, just a game early.

[GoMuskies]

At least the Dayton Dregs managed to beat Auburn.

[Masterofreality]

UMess is losing to Tennessee on ESPNU at the half.

Interested to see Tennessee since we play them.

[Masterofreality]

Derek Kellogg can recruit athletes but he is not a good basketball coach.

By the way, neither is Josh Pastner.

[xsteve1]

A10 better get in gear. Still way too many WTF losses.

[Masterofreality]

UMess is the most undisciplined team I have ever seen. I think that all Kellogg does in practice is roll a few balls on the court then rolls himself a joint.

[Masterofreality]

And, of course UMess goes down in pathetically ugly fashion.

Only hope tonight is Richmond vs Minnesota on BTN.

[Masterofreality]

Watching Richmond run an actually organized offense is so refreshing after watching the abortion that is UMess.

[xsteve1]

Watching Richmond run an actually organized offense is so refreshing after watching the abortion that is UMess.

Then Richmond pulls a UMASS and gets blown out down the stretch.

[Masterofreality]

Aaaaaaaaaand, Rhodee blows the game against Seton Hall after leading practically the entire game.

Gawd!!!

[muskiefan82]

Why does there seem to be so much shock and surprise? This is what happens every year.

[Masterofreality]

Something to be thankful for on this Holiday Weekend.

LaSuck rises up to blow out Villanova at Tom Gola's Garage- by 3 in OT.

Yeah, I said it. A win by Lossalle by 3 IS a blowout.

[XUOFM]

Good day for for the A-10 as all 4 teams who played won today. This includes Rhodee getting their first win of the season over Auburn on the road.


“There's no air of resignation about our team.”
~Skip Prosser

[xsteve1]

Mount St. Mary's beats GW 65-56.

[SM#24]

Duq able to squeak out a 1 point win over AppSt despite 15p/4r/10a from Jay Canty.

[Masterofreality]

But udump goes down to Weber State at home, St. Louis loses to Washington and Bonnies lose to Ohio U.

Richmond takes down Mary and William...at the same time...., and GW and UMess also squeak out 1 point wins against secondary competition- but on the road.

[X-band '01]

Duquesne wins on the road and Dayton loses at home - was that ever supposed to happen at any point this year?

[Masterofreality]

F-m still sucks rocks.

Goes down at home to Manhattan. Get them out of the league.....please.

[xudash]

F-m still sucks rocks.

Goes down at home to Manhattan. Get them out of the league.....please.

Come on. We love each other! And we're all so well positioned together and so well aligned!!

There coming to take me away, ha, ha........

http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~norm/TakeMeAway.html

[xubrew]

If Fordham were in the MAAC, they'd be around the bottom of that league.

[Masterofreality]

Well, well, F-ing well.

Dookcane knocks off BeelzeBob and the Hilljacks.

Hey Bobby, How are those Aaric Murray and Juwan Staten transfers working for ya?

Murray is a stiff and Staten is a head case. Thuggy must have been drunk when he accepted those guys.

[X-band '01]

And Saint Joe's managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory against Villanova last night. Could have been a rare clean sweep for the A-10 over VU.

[gladdenguy]

And Saint Joe's managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory against Villanova last night. Could have been a rare clean sweep for the A-10 over VU.

I know its a rivalry game but St. Joes should beat Villanova this year. I watched them play Notre Dame and they looked legitimate. Somebody tweeted CJ Aiken is spending too much time out by the arc shooting threes. St. Joes needs to represent....they have a talented team this year. Disappointing loss.

[Juice]

I know its a rivalry game but St. Joes should beat Villanova this year. I watched them play Notre Dame and they looked legitimate. Somebody tweeted CJ Aiken is spending too much time out by the arc shooting threes. St. Joes needs to represent....they have a talented team this year. Disappointing loss.

Considering Lasalle beat Villanova, St. Joes should have definitely beat them.

[sgarcia]

The worst part was how the refs never reviewed the play that sealed the Nova win. 3.4 seconds left, St Joe's inbounder throws it off the Nova defender. Ball hits out of bounds then bounces and hit St Joe's player and they call it off St Joe's. Not even a replay occurred. St Joe's still may have lost but they got screwed out of a final shot.

[PMI]

Sorry, but Joe's is Joe's once again. They'll beat anyone on one night and lose to anyone the next. They are talented, but have already clinched what I would consider a disappointing OOC slate for them. I can't stand banking on another A10 team to represent the conference in a really big way (like top 25 good not just decent) only to continuously get let down. Screw em.

[DC Muskie]

I wonder if Phil lectured his player for flipping off Nova last night.

Martelli is the most beloved mediocre coach in the country.

[X-band '01]

I wonder if Saint Joe's admins will lose their minds and insist that the rivalry game no longer be called "The Holy War."

The horror of flipping someone off!

[muskiefan82]

Charlotte's undefeated record exposed as the fraud that it was tonight.

Miami Fla 77
49er's 46

[Masterofreality]

Meanwhile, Kid Yuma and udump go down to your Illinois State Redbirds.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Meanwhile, Kid Yuma and udump go down to your Illinois State Redbirds.

Dillard hurt too. Blackburn Review said he's heard rumors its a herniated disk and out for the year

[Masterofreality]

Dillard hurt too. Blackburn Review said he's heard rumors its a herniated disk and out for the year

Wowee....Zowee.

Jimmy Carter!!!!!!!

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Wowee....Zowee.

Jimmy Carter!!!!!!!

Well, there goes that rumor

UD BASKETBALL ‏@UD_FLYERS_BBALL
Kevin Dillard does not have a herniated disk, he is doing better and will attempt to play on saturday

[DC Muskie]

Man Phil Martelli is doing a GREAT job again at SJU. Hopefully he can even his record this season against MAAC schools and snap a two game losing streak.

Of course if he doesn't win I'm sure he'll spend time telling Iona fans how special they are.

[Xavgrad08]

Dayton loses at USC in OT. Dayton doesn't have any significant out of conference wins.

[Masterofreality]

Dayton loses at USC in OT. Dayton doesn't have any significant out of conference wins.

Especially since the Alabama team that they beat also lost to TULANE At home last night.

Oh yeah, the same Alabama team that SucKS barely beat. Maybe Xavier should just adopt the Borecats scheduling philosophy, you know, because we will be in the new Big East soon.

Pitt and SucKS play today...in the battle of the pastry cart schedules.

[gladdenguy]

Doesn't matter who we would have scheduled this year. This team would lose regardless. Wofford lost by 34 to Virginia. Virginia is a mediocre ACC team.
We suck.

[coasterville95]

I'm thinking this is not the season to be calling out the lesser teams of the A10 for their performance, given the fact that our own teams performance has not been that great since at least Dec 6. (Yes, we won Kent State, barely, I'm not finding comfort in that) .

This is the season to lay low, (and to hope the "new conference" isn't taking this year's performance into account when choosing schools).

[drudy23]

I'm thinking this is not the season to be calling out the lesser teams of the A10 for their performance, given the fact that our own teams performance has not been that great since at least Dec 6. (Yes, we won Kent State, barely, I'm not finding comfort in that) .

This is the season to lay low, (and to hope the "new conference" isn't taking this year's performance into account when choosing schools).

We still own this league.

[xsteve1]

Iona drills OWA 93-74 in Olean. Don't see any Nicholson's heading their way anytime soon.

[Masterofreality]

Watching St. Joes/Drexel on Comcast. 41-36 with about 7 minutes to go. Looks like XU isn't the only team having trouble scoring these days.

I really don't get St. Joes. They work the ball around OK, but pass up a ton of open shots then wind up jacking one up. I don't know if Martelli has an 8 pass rule or not, but they sure seem to struggle on offense.

[Masterofreality]

Looks like St. Joes is getting its act together and will win. Up 60-45 with 1:30 to go.

[Cincypunk.org]

Dayton bringing up the rear at 0-3.

NICE

[vee4xu]

Dookane got smoked by VCU in that hell-hole in Pittsburgh.

[X-band '01]

UMass lived dangerously long enough - lost to GW at home today.

And that's not even including St. Bonnies FINALLY beating Temple in Philly. Weren't they 0-for-30 or something like that down there?

[GoMuskies]

Rhody is in OT at SLU.

Wow, if you are a "good" A-10 team, today was apparently the day to piss down your leg in A-10 play (Xavier and VCU being the exceptions, of course).

[xubrew]

The Atlantic Ten refs, among the crappiest in the nation, should be included amongst the dregs of the Atlantic Ten. In the Butler v Gonzaga game, Dick Vitale is spending more time talking about how poor the officiating is than I've ever heard from anyone during a major broadcast.

[Retire33]

Butler....WOW. No other word to describe it. WOW!

[GuyFawkes38]

I hate Butler. I know I should be rooting for them now, but I just can't.

I thought Jones (I think) clearly fouled to steal the inbounds. Ugh.

I can't wait until Stevens bolts.

[xubrew]

They are not merely a product of Brad Stevens. Butler will still be good whenever it is he leaves.

[bjf123]

I thought Jones (I think) clearly fouled to steal the inbounds. Ugh.


I thought he gave the guy from Gonzaga a little shove in the back to keep him away from the ball.

[GoMuskies]

It was a pretty lousy pass from Stockton, Jr.

[Xavgrad08]

Really fun game to watch. It's hard to believe Stevens is only 36 years old. He is going to have a lot of wins before he retires. Also, it's nice watching another A10 conference member pick up big non conference wins.

[xudash]

If there is such a thing as a Karma Account, then Butler has about used their's up. Marquette, IU, and now this.

[waggy]

Butler is putting together quite the resume. I think they'd deserve a 2 seed at least, if the season ended today.

[Muskie1000]

I hate Butler. I know I should be rooting for them now, but I just can't.

I thought Jones (I think) clearly fouled to steal the inbounds. Ugh.

I can't wait until Stevens bolts.


I can see why you might want to hate Butler, but as of right now, they at least are making our conference look good. I'm tired of other A-10 teams crapping against better competition, I'm tired of us being the only ones who can do anything at all. So go Butler and well I can't say that I mind Gonzaga losing either.

[paulxu]

It was a pretty lousy pass from Stockton, Jr.


Meantime, Jones eavesdropped.

"I heard their coach tell [Stockton] to throw a lob pass to [Kelly] Olynyk, so I got behind him," Jones said
= Protect Your Huddle

[CSS85]

= Protect Your Huddle

And don't put the guy you want to pass to at MID COURT with 2.5 seconds to play. If that pass happened 90 feet from the basket, Butler doesn't get off a shot. Lob it if you will, just lob it the other way.

[paulxu]

Jones also had a great push in the back on the Zag guy to be in perfect position to catch the inbound pass he had heard was coming.

[Masterofreality]

Jones also had a great push in the back on the Zag guy to be in perfect position to catch the inbound pass he had heard was coming.

Yeah, a lot like Gordon Hayward's throw down of Jordan Crawford that allowed him to score in the clock game.

Butler are not choir boys, no matter how Brad Stevens comes off.

[Masterofreality]

If there is such a thing as a Karma Account, then Butler has about used their's up. Marquette, IU, and now this.

Butler has assumed the Pact with Satan that used to be the Property of Bobby Thuggs. Thugg's contract with The Prince of Darkness has now entered the payback period based upon him being boat raced at Purdue yesterday.

Aaric Murray and Juwan Staten were sent from hell.

[LA Muskie]

Yeah, a lot like Gordon Hayward's throw down of Jordan Crawford that allowed him to score in the clock game.

Butler are not choir boys, no matter how Brad Stevens comes off.

It ain't a foul if it's not called.

[LA Muskie]

Butler has assumed the Pact with Satan that used to be the Property of Bobby Thuggs. Thugg's contract with The Prince of Darkness has now entered the payback period based upon him being boat raced at Purdue yesterday.

Aaric Murray and Juwan Staten were sent from hell.

Butler isn't even in the same universe as UC under Huggins.

[Masterofreality]

It ain't a foul if it's not called.

Right. They've perfected the art of being sneaky chippy. Just don't believe the freshly scrubbed image.......from anyone.

[Masterofreality]

Wow, what a crazy day.

Just saw that Rhode Island beat St. Louis in overtime at St. Looie last night.

Bona winning at Temple, Rhodee winning at STL, GW beating UMess and Richmond boatracing Charlotte. Maybe the Mayans were right.

[Xavier]

I can see why you might want to hate Butler, but as of right now, they at least are making our conference look good. I'm tired of other A-10 teams crapping against better competition, I'm tired of us being the only ones who can do anything at all. So go Butler and well I can't say that I mind Gonzaga losing either.

I'd say like we did this year...but frankly none of those teams were better, we just crapped the bed.

As for Butler, that was dang impressive. They would absolutely be a 2 seed if ended today (two top 10 wins) and they beat one without their best player.

[GoMuskies]

We really need Butler to go 15-1 in the A-10 this year (with a loss to us, of course). That's our only quality win, and VCU's the only other shot (Memphis? Maybe a little). The rest of the A-10 is mediocre to bad.

[Juice]

We really need Butler to go 15-1 in the A-10 this year (with a loss to us, of course). That's our only quality win, and VCU's the only other shot (Memphis? Maybe a little). The rest of the A-10 is mediocre to bad.

That first game wasn't an A10 game. They could still go 16-0 in the league.

[GoMuskies]

I'm aware. But I don't think we want them to go 16-0, if you catch my drift.

[Juice]

I'm aware. But I don't think we want them to go 16-0, if you catch my drift.

I read that incorrectly. My bad.

[Xavier]

We really need Butler to go 15-1 in the A-10 this year (with a loss to us, of course). That's our only quality win, and VCU's the only other shot (Memphis? Maybe a little). The rest of the A-10 is mediocre to bad.

Maybe no chance of anothe top 50 win, outside of Butler/VCU (I think Temple stays) but X has 10 more games against RPI top 100 teams. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't remember having that many in the A-10 after already playing two top 50 RPI conference teams.

[gladdenguy]

Thats correct Xavier....if X continues to beat these top 100 teams their RPI will keep rising significantly. Even though VCU, Butler, and Memphis will be the only top 50 wins.....there are many chances to beat some quality teams. Also, not many cupcakes as in years past.

[GoMuskies]

LaSuck got a nice assist today from the Villanova team they beat. Nova took down suddenly slumping Louisville.

[DC Muskie]

What is up with Louisville?

[paulxu]

Not being familar with the math that drives the RPI, is it possible ours went from 70 to 68 last night because Wake beat NC State?

[XUFan09]

= Protect Your Huddle

Reminds me of when Tu overheard the K-State guys say they were going to foul, so he forced the foul on the three-point shot.

[xubrew]

Not being familar with the math that drives the RPI, is it possible ours went from 70 to 68 last night because Wake beat NC State?

It probably had more to do with Charlotte's record, and the fact that a road loss only counts as 0.6 losses.

[paulxu]

It probably had more to do with Charlotte's record, and the fact that a road loss only counts as 0.6 losses.

My comment was actually before the Charlotte game. Now after the Charlotte game it has moved up one more point to 67. Interesting.

[xsteve1]

My comment was actually before the Charlotte game. Now after the Charlotte game it has moved up one more point to 67. Interesting.

Too bad didn't win or the RPI may be in the 50's today.

[xsteve1]

Dayton hits a couple late 3's to make the final 81-52 SLU.

[GuyFawkes38]

Just took a quickly glance at udpride. I'm surprised to see UD fans turn on Miller so quickly when they had infinite patience with Gregory. At the very least, Miller seems to be bringing in more skilled talent than Gregory.

[Masterofreality]

Just took a quickly glance at udpride. I'm surprised to see UD fans turn on Miller so quickly when they had infinite patience with Gregory. At the very least, Miller seems to be bringing in more skilled talent.

After losing to Xavier, when the fans really thought that the streak would be broken this year, maybe their irrational delusion is finally over.

Kid Yuma may be on the clock...

[XUFan09]

Just took a quickly glance at udpride. I'm surprised to see UD fans turn on Miller so quickly when they had infinite patience with Gregory. At the very least, Miller seems to be bringing in more skilled talent than Gregory.

For a number of them, it's probably because they had infinite patience with Gregory. A number of delusional fans were really resentful at the more critical fans for driving off Gregory, because the delusional fans somehow thought he was a good coach...

[xudash]

After losing to Xavier, when the fans really thought that the streak would be broken this year, maybe their irrational delusion is finally over.

Kid Yuma may be on the clock...

I suspect they set their expectations level so high for the guy that they created a short leash for him. It's exactly what you don't want to do to a young coach, working his way into the head chair. They thought they had it figured out with Gregory. They're about to screw it up with Archie by not giving him enough time.

UD fans are like the guys in the Mexican Bar in The Three Amigos. The German pilot comes in and he shoots them up after the one dimwit mouths off to him. The Three Amigos come in and sing My Little Butter Cup. Then the other two Germans come in, the idiots mouth off again, and the Germans blow them away. Too funny. Put UD fans in Sombreros and you have the same capacity for poor judgement in play.

[GoMuskies]

They're about to screw it up with Archie by not giving him enough time.



It could also be that Archie is a bad coach who just happens to have a brother who is a good coach.

[xubrew]

I'll say this for Dayton.....

I'm trying to think of teams that are as unaccomplished as they are (1 tournament win in 24 years), but yet are as well supported as they are, and I can't think of many.

Creighton?? Maybe. They've never been to a Sweet Sixteen and have just three total tournament wins since the field expanded to 64. They're routinely at 12k+. Maybe more than that. I know Creighton has been good the past two years, and have had good teams in the past, but more often than not they're a sub NCAA team. Last year was their first appearance in five years, actually.

New Mexico?? Maybe. They've also never been to a SweetSixteen, and last year was just their third tournament appearance since 1999, yet they're jam packed every night. Still, they appear to have done more than Dayton. When they have been in the NCAAs, they've at least won a game, and generally earned a halfway decent seed. UD's #4 seed in 2003 was the only time they've ever been seeded better than #9th.

That's all I can think of.

Basketball is not like football. There are multiple football programs that pack the place no matter how good or bad the team is. In basketball, you typically have to win. Even at big programs, fans don't show up until the team starts winning. At the same time, programs like Miami, who almost never had a crowd above 5000 people, are now all sold out for the rest of the year.

Dayton is one of the few programs in the nation, literally, where fans will come out no matter how good or bad the team is. I don't know if that's sad, or admirable, or both, or neither, but it is definitely something.

Seriously...think about it. Are there any other programs that have fans like that?? They could be 5-20 and still have over 11k at the game.

[GoMuskies]

Louisville still packed the house in Crum's bad years at and near the end. It was 17,000 instead of 20,000 but still pretty good considering.

[xubrew]

Louisville still packed the house in Crum's bad years at and near the end. It was 17,000 instead of 20,000 but still pretty good considering.


I'll say this for Dayton.....

I'm trying to think of teams that are as unaccomplished as they are (1 tournament win in 24 years), but yet are as well supported as they are, and I can't think of many.

Louisville was much more esablished and much more accomplished. They never went through a 24 year period where they won just one tournament game. Well, not since the 1940s, anyway.

[Masterofreality]

Simple, Brew.

People go to dump games because there really is nothing else to do in that cesspool of a community.

At least the place has heat...unlike 90% of the mud huts in the rest of the town.

[xubrew]

Simple, Brew.

People go to dump games because there really is nothing else to do in that cesspool of a community.

At least the place has heat...unlike 90% of the mud huts in the rest of the town.

Hmmm. Dayton. Omaha. Albuquerque. I think you may be on to something.

Another potential candidate is Utah State. That furthers your point. (Although if they aren't a WAC frontrunner, they have decent crowds, but not packed houses).

[Masterofreality]

What I really enjoy seeing at the dump are those huge boilered blue hairs with scowly faces that sit behind the vistor's bench and wear 1964 vintage Cryer sweatshirts that are 10 sizes too small for them.

They are all basketball experts too. That must spring from their exceptional career as middle school 8th man legends when their 6th grade coach "learned" them the Auburn "Shuffle" offense.

They think that Sean Finn was an accomplished player.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Hmmm. Dayton. Omaha. Albuquerque. I think you may be on to something.

Another potential candidate is Utah State. That furthers your point. (Although if they aren't a WAC frontrunner, they have decent crowds, but not packed houses).

I lived in Albuquerque for a year and a half. Loved it out there. There is also plenty to do there. You can snow ski on the east side of the Sandia Mountains in the morning and play 18 holes of golf in the afternoon, if you so desired. UNM golf course was $26 for in state residents for 18 and a cart. All the holes have elevated tees and greens. Incredible bang for your buck. You can also gamble at the Indian Casinos and the food there is incredible. Not to mention its sunny 300 days out of the year, no humidity, no allergies. Its got some rough parts, sure...but I sure as hell wouldn't have come back to sinus valley if my wife hadn't dragged me back by the ear.

[Masterofreality]

And now...

A GUY named Xavier beats udump. How appropo.

[xudash]

I lived in Albuquerque for a year and a half. Loved it out there. There is also plenty to do there. You can snow ski on the east side of the Sandia Mountains in the morning and play 18 holes of golf in the afternoon, if you so desired. UNM golf course was $26 for in state residents for 18 and a cart. All the holes have elevated tees and greens. Incredible bang for your buck. You can also gamble at the Indian Casinos and the food there is incredible. Not to mention its sunny 300 days out of the year, no humidity, no allergies. Its got some rough parts, sure...but I sure as hell wouldn't have come back to sinus valley if my wife hadn't dragged me back by the ear.

I agree with you on Albuquerque.

Took the tram up to the top of the mountain to go skiing once. The operator pointed out where TWA Flight Number So and So went into the side of the mountain back in the day. I'm not a great skier anyway, and having that pointed out to you with about a thousand or so feet of air underneath you isn't all that reassuring either.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I agree with you on Albuquerque.

Took the tram up to the top of the mountain to go skiing once. The operator pointed out where TWA Flight Number So and So went into the side of the mountain back in the day. I'm not a great skier anyway, and having that pointed out to you with about a thousand or so feet of air underneath you isn't all that reassuring either.

Lived about a mile and a half from the Tram. Took it several times. Beautiful views from up there. That's the one thing about Albuquerque...when you live your entire life in southwest Ohio or Toledo...I'm not saying its not scenic here (but honestly, is it?)...but I never got sick of the scenery in Albuquerque...I literally stared at the mountains everyday. Never got sick of the view. Living in the foothills was nice. Walked on the trails of the foothills often. Maybe it was the no allergies, no sinuses, no humidity...but I had a lot more energy and was a lot more active out there than I am here.

[paulxu]

One of you stat wizards explain to me why on the RPI list, after X has won its last 2 games (albeit against 2 weaker teams) that we have a double yellow arrow, trending downward?

[Grylls]

One of you stat wizards explain to me why on the RPI list, after X has won its last 2 games (albeit against 2 weaker teams) that we have a double yellow arrow, trending downward?

Because even though X won those games, their RPIs are so bad that it still hurts Xavier.

[paulxu]

Thanks. Guess I thought the result would be "flat"...not a double trending down arrow.

[bleedXblue]

Thanks. Guess I thought the result would be "flat"...not a double trending down arrow.

no worries

this team has 5 games (opportunities) to play good teams with stroong RPI's

VCU, Memphis, St L, Butler, UMASS


They can control their own destiny which is a major accomplishment IMHO.....

[paulxu]

What I really enjoy seeing at the dump are those huge boilered blue hairs with scowly faces that sit behind the vistor's bench and wear 1964 vintage Cryer sweatshirts that are 10 sizes too small for them.

Stay classy udump.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/throughthearch/entries/2013/02/17/taunting_ud_students_target_ch.html/

[LA Muskie]

Stay classy udump.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/throughthearch/entries/2013/02/17/taunting_ud_students_target_ch.html/

Pathetic. I really hope the same thing would not occur if the situations were reversed. But given what I have heard certain of our fans say to our own players and coaches, I'm not sure I have confidence that would be the case. Sports fandom seems to bring out the worst ins some of us.

[PMI]

This is concerning. If dayton loses its ability to claim how classy it is, what exactly does it have left?

[Cheesehead]

My 16 yr. old son told me one of his friends attended the UD game on Saturday and was subject to verbal taunting and was also tripped by a fan. So, when their fans do this do a 16 year old kid, does it surprise you when their fans do it to their own alumnus and future HOF'er.

IMO, this type of behavior is not acceptable by any side but this is why I refuse to attend games at the dump. Their fans are well known for this type of crap.

[X-band '01]

Seriously, how many times do we have to reiterate this?

Some Xavier fans are classy. Some Xavier fans act like douchebags towards opposing fans.

Some Dayton fans are classy. Some Dayton fans act like douchebags towards opposing fans.

People have to know what they're getting into when they decide to enter an opposing arena.

[Masterofreality]

Seriously, how many times do we have to reiterate this?

Some Xavier fans are classy. Some Xavier fans act like douchebags towards opposing fans.

Some Dayton fans are classy. Some Dayton fans act like douchebags towards opposing fans.

People have to know what they're getting into when they decide to enter an opposing arena.

I have been to every opposing A-10 arena.....except Butler and VCU. No place is worse than the dump. No place.

[paulxu]

I agree with all that. Going to be the same everywhere.

But...if you are harassing one of your own, and she is soon to be a HOF inductee to your own school...that's taking douching to a whole new level.

[DC Muskie]

Saturday was a terrible loss by us.