Two IU Frosh Suspended

[Muskie]

From Collegebasketballtalk (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/06/two-indiana-freshmen-suspended-for-nine-games/)

The NCAA announced on Tuesday evening that it hashanded down nine game suspensions (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/49717687/) to two Indiana freshmen, Hanner Mosquera-Perea and Peter Jurkin, as a punishment for secondary violations they committed while in high school. The Hoosiers will appeal the ruling.
Those violations stem from the athlete’s relationship with a man named Mark Adams. Adams donated $185 to Indiana’s Varsity Club over a seven year period (http://www.insidethehall.com/2012/11/06/ncaa-rules-peter-jurkin-and-hanner-mosquera-perea-must-sit-9-games/)more than two decades ago, and because of that payment, he’s considered a booster for the program.
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To me kind of ticky tack... but they should be running a tight ship after Cell Phone Sampson.

[XUFan09]

An average of $24.43 a year...more than 20 years ago? Wow, NCAA, wow...

[paulxu]

Ah ha. They were doing that instead of clearing Cantino.

[Juice]

This is one of the dumbest suspensions I have seen in awhile from the NCAA. They seem to overlook academic fraud/dishonesty/whatever you want to call it at UNC with proof everywhere but seem to drop the hammer on two kids who did nothing wrong. And not only that, it's a substantial chunk of the season.

[Xman95]

From one of my sources, this is just the tip of the iceberg for IU. But it's doubtful that they ever get nailed on the other stuff.

[TheRunningMan]

From one of my sources, this is just the tip of the iceberg for IU. But it's doubtful that they ever get nailed on the other stuff.

Sounds really dumb on surface. Maybe it's NCAA way of getting to them although they were unable to on other fronts. They still suck either way.

[UnCaged]

That's not the story at all....http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8601441/ncaa-rules-two-indiana-hoosiers-players-miss-9-games

They received gifts exceeding $9000 and $6000 respectively, to which the NCAA made them pay back a fraction to a charity of their choice. If that is the case (they received cell phones, plane tickets, laptops, etc.) then I'm a bit confused why they shouldn't be required to pay back all of it. I know you're all saying it's ticky tacky, but if this happened at XU I'm pretty sure our guys would be sent to the nether regions of Alaska to never be heard from again. Seems like the NCAA is assigning a different standard to IU's players, which sucks...bc I hate IU.

[Juice]

That's not the story at all....http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8601441/ncaa-rules-two-indiana-hoosiers-players-miss-9-games

They received gifts exceeding $9000 and $6000 respectively, to which the NCAA made them pay back a fraction to a charity of their choice. If that is the case (they received cell phones, plane tickets, laptops, etc.) then I'm a bit confused why they shouldn't be required to pay back all of it. I know you're all saying it's ticky tacky, but if this happened at XU I'm pretty sure our guys would be sent to the nether regions of Alaska to never be heard from again. Seems like the NCAA is assigning a different standard to IU's players, which sucks...bc I hate IU.

That isn't it at all. They're allowed to receive all of that stuff as long as the person giving it to them isn't considered a booster. Adams was considered a booster for $185 worth of donations to IU 20 years ago. It's the designation of Adams as a booster that is bullshit.

Some have insinuated that there may be more to Adams and IU, but if all they have is $185 in donations, then I maintain that the suspensions are stupid.

[blobfan]

Agreed. The statue of limitations for raping a child is shorter than 20 years in some states.

[DoubleD86]

Can not believe these suspensions, especially in wake of Dez being cleared.

With Dez, they clearly went beyond the letter of the law to the spirit of the law and made (imo) the correct decision. Yet in this situation, they went as tight and technical to the letter of the law as possible. It is quite absurd.

That said, I am willing to bet IU will win their appeal and the suspensions will be reduced to 2-3 games.

[Cheesehead]

meanwhile X continues to wait on Cantino decision

[JTG]

Can not believe these suspensions, especially in wake of Dez being cleared.

With Dez, they clearly went beyond the letter of the law to the spirit of the law and made (imo) the correct decision. Yet in this situation, they went as tight and technical to the letter of the law as possible. It is quite absurd.

That said, I am willing to bet IU will win their appeal and the suspensions will be reduced to 2-3 games.

I doubt it. The AAU team in question is located in Bloomington, practically on the IU campus and serves as a pipeline to IU for AAU players. It is probably all the NCAA could prove, but there is probably alot they just couldn't nail IU for. All the IU faithful, mostly hayseeds that couldn't spell IU, if you spotted them the I, are up in arms over this. If it was UK or Purdue they would be all over it, but since it's their boys in the red & white clown pants, they are pissed at the NCAA.

[Madfan]

IU fans keep their crimson colored glasses on when it comes to their players. What's funny is the NCAA couldn't link the fact that Adams players tend to go wherever his son is on the coaching staff. If I remember correctly Dee Davis played on Indiana Elite with Hanner and Peter with Mark Adams as their coach.

[Cheesehead]

I doubt it. The AAU team in question is located in Bloomington, practically on the IU campus and serves as a pipeline to IU for AAU players. It is probably all the NCAA could prove, but there is probably alot they just couldn't nail IU for. All the IU faithful, mostly hayseeds that couldn't spell IU, if you spotted them the I, are up in arms over this. If it was UK or Purdue they would be all over it, but since it's their boys in the red & white clown pants, they are pissed at the NCAA.

My son plays AAU and that program is definitely a pipeline for IU, just as ALL Ohio Red is a pipeline for Ohio State(Craft & Sullinger most recently). BTW: both of these teams crushed my son's team. They have ridiculous talent.

[DoubleD86]

I doubt it. The AAU team in question is located in Bloomington, practically on the IU campus and serves as a pipeline to IU for AAU players. It is probably all the NCAA could prove, but there is probably alot they just couldn't nail IU for. All the IU faithful, mostly hayseeds that couldn't spell IU, if you spotted them the I, are up in arms over this. If it was UK or Purdue they would be all over it, but since it's their boys in the red & white clown pants, they are pissed at the NCAA.

The AAU team is not in question. What is in question is the A-Hope program and the guy who takes these kids in, Mark Adams. The A-Hope program is anything but an IU pipeline since these are the second and third kids from the program to go to IU and the first was barely a roster player. Again, I stand by my belief that the suspensions will be shortened since the only thing wrong is that 15 years before Adams was the guardian for these kids, his wife bought some IU Alumni stickers.

[JTG]

If these kids could not play basketball this guy would care less about them coming to the US. These two were the start of getting foreign kids for IU to have first dibs on. The team is run by the guy who runs the A Hope program, do you really think there is no connection ?

[Juice]

If these kids could not play basketball this guy would care less about them coming to the US. These two were the start of getting foreign kids for IU to have first dibs on. The team is run by the guy who runs the A Hope program, do you really think there is no connection ?

Wouldn't you say the same about Churchill Odia, his status in the US, and playing basketball at XU?

It happens all over the place, get over it.

[DoubleD86]

If these kids could not play basketball this guy would care less about them coming to the US. These two were the start of getting foreign kids for IU to have first dibs on. The team is run by the guy who runs the A Hope program, do you really think there is no connection ?

The entire program is using basketball to get kids from Africa (and other poor countries) a chance at an education. These two were not the start of anything, the program has been around roughly a decade and has sent many kids to schools across the country. You may have more of a problem with the AAU team, but are you surprised a lot of top Indiana kids go to IU? That would be like getting upset that Ohio State recruits well from All Ohio Red.

The NCAA has deemed A-Hope legitimate and the fact that Adams becomes their guardian has also been approved. Adams has helped those kids get to many schools, the vast majority not going to IU.

Edit: If you somehow think there is something fishy going on between Adams and IU and that the AAU program is the facilitator that is one thing. Granted only like four of these guys (http://www.indianaelite.com/Alumni.aspx)went to IU, but hey. However, the NCAA did not suspend them for anything having to do with Indiana Elite. They suspended them because they were AHOPE members that Adams was a guardian for, and Adams' wife paid $185 total for IU Alumni stickers 15 years before Adams knew Perea or Jurkin

[paulxu]

How does this work. Shabazz Muhammed was (I think) the #2 recruit in the nation last year.
He takes 3 unofficials to UNC and Duke. Somebody pays for his travel and lodging (assumedly those schools or their boosters).
He picks UCLA. Problem is discovered. Now he is ineligble for some period of time undetermined.

I agree he has to be punished for breaking rules.
But UNC and Duke get off?
Seems like you could poison the well on a recruit you don't think you could get, but could get him on campus if you paid for it.
Then the next school pays the price. Very strange.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/20909519/ucla-freshman-shabazz-muhammad-has-been-declared-ineligible-by-ncaa

[bjf123]

The NCAA really needs to put some common sense behind its rulings. If another school's boosters broke the rules by paying travel and lodging, that school should also be penalized. Take away a couple of scholarships for a few years. Ban them from March Madness. Fine them $1,000,000. You can't let them walk.


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[DoubleD86]

How does this work. Shabazz Muhammed was (I think) the #2 recruit in the nation last year.
He takes 3 unofficials to UNC and Duke. Somebody pays for his travel and lodging (assumedly those schools or their boosters).
He picks UCLA. Problem is discovered. Now he is ineligble for some period of time undetermined.

I agree he has to be punished for breaking rules.
But UNC and Duke get off?
Seems like you could poison the well on a recruit you don't think you could get, but could get him on campus if you paid for it.
Then the next school pays the price. Very strange.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/20909519/ucla-freshman-shabazz-muhammad-has-been-declared-ineligible-by-ncaa

For what it's worth, I believe the person/people who allegedly provided the financial help to Shabazz had no connection to Duke or UNC, but rather an agent. Now, that being said, I still think Duke and UNC have to be aware and figure out where that funding is coming from and so I do think they should have received a small punishment. However, it does not seem as if they were directly involved and that is why they were not targeted by the NCAA.

I had the same thought as you in terms of break a rule and it hurts the recruit as well, although I would hope that if it was found that the school paid the way they would be punished more harshly. Then again, it is the NCAA...

[nuts4xu]

Sounds to me the NCAA is more concerned with these kids receiving so much free stuff from a guy with connections to IU. The classification of a booster by the NCAA in general is kinda vague, but it almost has to be. Otherwise you have a grown man giving special gifts to kids to influence their decision.

If the guy doesn't want them to go to IU, then why in the hell is he spending so much money on high school kids he is not related to?

I am not sure this is a just decision by the NCAA, but I do see the logic behind the suspensions. Espeicially at a university that just dealt with problems with the NCAA.

[Juice]

This was my favorite part of Perea's recruitment:


The FoxSports.com article included a copy of a text message that was sent from the Baylor assistant Mark Morefield to Huss, saying that Baylor had the power to deport Perea if he did not go to Baylor.

“I guarantee you if he does [commit to another school] he will be in Colombia for the spring and summer and next year. Don’t forget it,” the text message said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/sports/ncaabasketball/14baylor.html?_r=0

[bleedXblue]

This was my favorite part of Perea's recruitment:



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/sports/ncaabasketball/14baylor.html?_r=0

Wow. Thats all I can say.

[DoubleD86]

Sounds to me the NCAA is more concerned with these kids receiving so much free stuff from a guy with connections to IU. The classification of a booster by the NCAA in general is kinda vague, but it almost has to be. Otherwise you have a grown man giving special gifts to kids to influence their decision.

If the guy doesn't want them to go to IU, then why in the hell is he spending so much money on high school kids he is not related to?

I am not sure this is a just decision by the NCAA, but I do see the logic behind the suspensions. Espeicially at a university that just dealt with problems with the NCAA.

In response to the bolded aspect, it is part of his AHOPE foundation. He tries to use basketball as a way to get kids from Africa (and other areas) an education at an American University. What are his intentions? I could not guess. On the surface it is a charitable thing to do that I assume he gets great pleasure and fulfillment and probably pretty good tax breaks to do. A cynical person could say it was all a ploy to get any possible 5* recruits to go to IU. However, this is not something brand new he did for these two kids and not something he does for only kids who go to IU.

The last part is the issue for me. I can understand why the rules are in place and the logic. However, they proved they were willing to judge an issue on its own merit in Dez Wells' case, so why not do the same here?

[SixFig]

Yet another reason to hate IU. Stay classy Zeller


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TxaPP0h-uQ&feature=youtu.be

[Smails]

Yet another reason to hate IU. Stay classy Zeller


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TxaPP0h-uQ&feature=youtu.be

What's the big deal? Who here hasn't grabbed another man's hand and pulled it into his ballsack? Funny thing is I didn't see that part when they replayed it on TV last night. I just figured Nix was getting payback for when Zeller donkeypunched him on a move to the basket earlier in the game. Cody Zeller is obsessed with nuts.

[Lloyd Braun]

What's the big deal? Who here hasn't grabbed another man's hand and pulled it into his ballsack? Funny thing is I didn't see that part when they replayed it on TV last night. I just figured Nix was getting payback for when Zeller donkeypunched him on a move to the basket earlier in the game. Cody Zeller is obsessed with nuts.

My interpretation of the video: zeller was holding Nix's arm for position, Nix moved his arm to shake off Zeller's and happened to give him a tapper. Nix looks surprised that he hit him and Zeller's hand is not in contact with Nix's arm at contact with nuts.

[Smails]

My interpretation of the video: zeller was holding Nix's arm for position, Nix moved his arm to shake off Zeller's and happened to give him a tapper. Nix looks surprised that he hit him and Zeller's hand is not in contact with Nix's arm at contact with nuts.

Cummon player...since when do you hold the INSIDE of someone's arm to establish post position? I really don't think it's debatable what Zeller was trying to do..

[kyxu]

Cummon player...since when do you hold the INSIDE of someone's arm to establish post position? I really don't think it's debatable what Zeller was trying to do..

Yeah, it seems pretty obvious what he was trying to do. The ESPN replays last night weren't as clear as the above-posted clip, either, and the guys calling the game were thinking Nix was retaliating.

[PMI]

So is an nonconsensual handy not considered a sexual offense now? Hard to keep up with all the rules nowadays.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Yeah, it seems pretty obvious what he was trying to do. The ESPN replays last night weren't as clear as the above-posted clip, either, and the guys calling the game were thinking Nix was retaliating.

I watched the game and didn't catch this. The telltale for me was Zeller immediately whining to the official after. What sucks is that Nix hit the bench after that, whether it affected the outcome is something we will never know. File this with Krezewsdouchebag's flop coaching amongst things that sucks about this game.

[Lloyd Braun]

Yeah, it seems pretty obvious what he was trying to do. The ESPN replays last night weren't as clear as the above-posted clip, either, and the guys calling the game were thinking Nix was retaliating.

I hate Zeller as much as the next guy and don't dispute he probably plays dirty. But the more I watch this video the more convinced I am that Zeller did not pull the arm into his sack and it was Nix who did this on purpose to retaliate from Zeller's previous elbow to Nix's junk. In the end nothing changes but I think that video (slow motion) is misleading. Watch it in real time.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I hate Zeller as much as the next guy and don't dispute he probably plays dirty. But the more I watch this video the more convinced I am that Zeller did not pull the arm into his sack and it was Nix who did this on purpose to retaliate from Zeller's previous elbow to Nix's junk. In the end nothing changes but I think that video (slow motion) is misleading. Watch it in real time.

Man, I guess I'm missing it. The more I watched the more I was convinced it was all Zeller. If you're looking to retaliate against a guy nailing you in the balls, you'd make sure your wrist was cocked (oh my God...this is so wrong). It doesn't look to me like his intention was to hit him at all...if he was...he did a pretty poor job of racking the guy.

[kyxu]

I hate Zeller as much as the next guy and don't dispute he probably plays dirty. But the more I watch this video the more convinced I am that Zeller did not pull the arm into his sack and it was Nix who did this on purpose to retaliate from Zeller's previous elbow to Nix's junk. In the end nothing changes but I think that video (slow motion) is misleading. Watch it in real time.

Whatever you say, man. Really, I don't care too much about this to argue one way or another, but to the un-Indiana loving eye, it appears pretty obvious.

[Titanxman04]

I think it's a good thing. As far as I am concerned, the less Indiana babies we have on Indiana nights, the better.