Kavanaugh suspended for season

[ammtd34]

http://flyernews.com/2012/10/24/ud-kavanaugh-suspended-will-not-play-this-season/

I will admit that I didn't perform a thorough search of the board to see if another thread exists. My apologies if so. Anyway...

[bigdiggins]

I created one, but it's gone.

[Muskie]

http://flyernews.com/2012/10/24/ud-kavanaugh-suspended-will-not-play-this-season/

I will admit that I didn't perform a thorough search of the board to see if another thread exists. My apologies if so. Anyway...

The topic is under review. Sorry for the inconvenience... we'll let you know shortly.

[Muskie]

After some consideration. Let's keep the rumor of "why" out of bounds and just focus on what this does to UD's team and potential match up with X. (If Bigdiggins wants his thread reinstated - pm me).

[ammtd34]

Fair enough, though I would imagine it will soon be public knowledge.

[bigdiggins]

His thread is better anyway. I was too lazy to put a link in.

[BlueGuy]

The dude probably got it on with an RA. Dayton wants to be us so bad, they copy everything we do.

[XU 87]

From what I've heard, what Wells did wasn't even close in severity of what Kavanaugh was accused of. Wells gets expelled. Kavanaugh gets a one year suspension,and he's apparently still in school.

[ammtd34]

[QUOTE=XU 87;363795]From what I've heard, what Wells did wasn't even close in severity of what Kavanaugh was accused of. Wells gets expelled. Kavanaugh gets a one year suspension,and he's apparently still in school.[/QUOTE

I believe he's suspended from school as well.

[XU 87]

Upon further review, I think you're right- he is suspended from school. That said, that's a hell of a lot less than what Dez got, and Dez was accused of far less, from what I 've heard.

[Kahns Krazy]

From Blackburn Review:


T-Rex says:
October 24, 2012 at 3:38 pm
The prosecutor decided not to press charges when it was determined Kav is almost always out of control when taking it to the hole.



Oh snap.

[LA Muskie]

He's a senior. My guess is that he has played his last season for -- and attended his last class at -- Dayton, but that they let him down more smoothly. I suspect they're not trying to make the statement that XU was trying to make.

I don't know the ins-and-outs of the Dez decision, but I do think that, at an absolute minimum, it was very poor form to announce that he was being expelled if they didn't feel at liberty to explain the decision.

[GIMMFD]

To switch topics, the match-up for X looks a lot better with Kav out of the picture, he was a pretty productive big man, and I remember him eating us up last year at Dayton, it'll be good for X.

[X-band '01]

If Kavanaugh is the BWS that this board has made him out to be in the past, his loss would not be a big deal for Dayton. Just sayin...

[X-band '01]

As far as being suspended from school, I have a feeling that his situation would be similar to Kwamain Mitchell of SLU from a student/eligibility standpoint. I doubt his eligibility would be exhausted if he is reinstated.

[Cheesehead]

This makes me feel better for some odd reason. What I mean is, some bad news for UD.

Now, I do feel bad for the victim if she was a true victim. I will not condone any legitimate (alleged) sexual assault.

[Muskied]

This makes me feel better for some odd reason. What I mean is, some bad news for UD.

Now, I do feel bad for the victim if she was a true victim. I will not condone any legitimate (alleged) sexual assault.

It just occurred to me that all of Xavier's rivals (UD, Butler, UC) have kicked a player out over the summer.....but yet, Xavier is the one with the image problem...go figure.

[STL_XUfan]

Now, I do feel bad for the victim if she was a true victim. I will not condone any legitimate (alleged) sexual assault.

I'm Todd Akin and I support this post.

[paulxu]

It just occurred to me that all of Xavier's rivals (UD, Butler, UC) have kicked a player out over the summer.....but yet, Xavier is the one with the image problem...go figure.

That's because we are a national program. The others...not so much. There isn't even a mention of Kavanaugh on ESPN yet.

[bleedXblue]

Ok, so whats the scoop ?

And, why is it so hard to stay out of trouble, do the right things and get your degree ?

These guys know they are in the spotlight and that their every move is being watched.

I just dont get it.

[xudash]

It just occurred to me that all of Xavier's rivals (UD, Butler, UC) have kicked a player out over the summer.....but yet, Xavier is the one with the image problem...go figure.

Adding to that point is the fact that our lost player ended up at an ACC school.

I doubt Kavs will end up at an ACC school.

[GoMuskies]

Alll of our rivals weren't involved in an over-publicized fight (only UC), have an embarrassing press conference following said fight, have their best player skip out on his senior year in a tiff with the coach and have two recruits declared ineligible.

Xavier didn't have any image problems when all they were doing was tossing out Finn or Hanley or Turner or Price.

[gladdenguy]

It just occurred to me that all of Xavier's rivals (UD, Butler, UC) have kicked a player out over the summer.....but yet, Xavier is the one with the image problem...go figure.

Mainly because of the way the situations were handled from an administration standpoint as well as Xavier's being a PR nightmare from last December to Dez's departure.
Dayton was extremely tedious and they did an excellent job collecting evidence and determining what should be done.......whereas Xavier sh!t the bed as far as that was concerned as we can all agree Dez did not deserve what he got. If the reports of what Dez did were true he should be behind bars. He is simply playing basketball for and enrolled in another school. Xavier deserves every image problem that comes their way....and as we have seen over the past 10 months in recruiting, they are paying significantly. Who knows how long this will last.
Many people and fans are extremely disappointed in this university and they have every right to be.....and it is not something that is just gonna go away.

[GIMMFD]

Yup, public reps. Gladden is completely right. Dayton handled this way better than we would have, I don't know if that's with the upper heads watching over the school, or not, but still.

[AdamtheFlyer]

Ok, so whats the scoop ?

And, why is it so hard to stay out of trouble, do the right things and get your degree ?

These guys know they are in the spotlight and that their every move is being watched.

I just dont get it.

The scoop is that there were allegations made on campus and some rumors about issues on the yearly "Dayton to Daytona" trip students make after spring finals. No charges, but the university chose to essentially kick him out. They call it a suspension, but he has to re-apply after a year, and I highly doubt he would be accepted back to the school. Kids are kids. Spotlight or not, some of them will do really dumb things.

Tough break for Dayton, Kavanaugh is pretty good. But the talent is there to cover this loss and then some. His stats last year were a bit misleading as to what his role would have been this year. He was probably Dayton's 5th or 6th best player. Archie was asked about losing Kav's leadership, and really dodged the question, never once even mentioning Kav was a leader. That, to me, was pretty telling.

[principal]

Mainly because of the way the situations were handled from an administration standpoint as well as Xavier's being a PR nightmare from last December to Dez's departure.
Dayton was extremely tedious and they did an excellent job collecting evidence and determining what should be done.......whereas Xavier sh!t the bed as far as that was concerned as we can all agree Dez did not deserve what he got. If the reports of what Dez did were true he should be behind bars. He is simply playing basketball for and enrolled in another school. Xavier deserves every image problem that comes their way....and as we have seen over the past 10 months in recruiting, they are paying significantly. Who knows how long this will last.
Many people and fans are extremely disappointed in this university and they have every right to be.....and it is not something that is just gonna go away.

What is the consesus as to what Dez actually did?

[Muskied]

Adam, I'd love to hear 5 players better than Kav. That's nothing against UD (well, yah it is), I just think he is a big part of what they would do this year. The post is a tough position to backfill...believe me, as Xavier fans we know. Now you are looking at starting Alex Gavrilovich or Benson at Center. AG has Mono (and is French), and Benson is a PF comming off injury. After that, you have 2 freshman...who aren't Anthony Davis as far as I know. Listen...I know UD will have some solid guards, specifically Dillard and Vee....but if you tell me Kav isn't a MONUMENTAL loss for UD, than UD should finish top 3 in conference. He gets rebounds, is your best post defender, and is solid at the line, and would have played 34 minutes a game. Mark Lyons wasn't a leader either...but I'm still wondering where Xavier will find 20 points per game. Don't act like UD is DU.

[LadyMuskie]

Tough break for Dayton, Kavanaugh is pretty good. But the talent is there to cover this loss and then some. His stats last year were a bit misleading as to what his role would have been this year. He was probably Dayton's 5th or 6th best player. Archie was asked about losing Kav's leadership, and really dodged the question, never once even mentioning Kav was a leader. That, to me, was pretty telling.

It's telling to me as well. It tells me that even if Kavanaugh was a leader, Archie Miller is bright enough to not stomp on the panic button by mentioning how his departure will negatively effect the team since he was a leader. I'm shocked, really, that Miller showed such aptitude because he did choose to coach at UD, but as the saying goes, even a stopped clock is right twice a day!

[AdamtheFlyer]

Adam, I'd love to hear 5 players better than Kav. That's nothing against UD (well, yah it is), I just think he is a big part of what they would do this year. The post is a tough position to backfill...believe me, as Xavier fans we know. Now you are looking at starting Alex Gavrilovich or Benson at Center. AG has Mono (and is French), and Benson is a PF comming off injury. After that, you have 2 freshman...who aren't Anthony Davis as far as I know. Listen...I know UD will have some solid guards, specifically Dillard and Vee....but if you tell me Kav isn't a MONUMENTAL loss for UD, than UD should finish top 3 in conference. He gets rebounds, is your best post defender, and is solid at the line, and would have played 34 minutes a game. Mark Lyons wasn't a leader either...but I'm still wondering where Xavier will find 20 points per game. Don't act like UD is DU.

Dillard, Benson, Sanford, and Derenbecker are all more talented players than Kavanaugh. Devin Oliver probably fills a more important role, defending the best athlete on the other team. Gavrilovic was actually very similar to Kavanaugh in per 40 minutes stats. Yes, he has mono, but from what I hear they don't think it will be something that lingers for months. Alex has more skill than Kavanaugh and is just as good defensively (meaning average). The only thing Kavanaugh was noticeably better than him at was free throw shooting.

Kevin Dillard would be a monumental loss. Kavanaugh is a tough break. It's funny, two years ago I got ridiculed on the A10 board for saying Kavanaugh had enough talent to be playing over the crappy bigs at the time. Now I'm getting flak for saying losing him isn't that big of a deal. I have been familiar with Kavanaugh's game for nearly 6 years now. I have a pretty good idea of what he is. I feel confident in saying he absolutely maximized his production and impact last year. He had a tremendous season. He wasn't going to repeat it, especially with added depth in the frontcourt.

No one is saying the freshmen bigs will be great from day one. That said, Jalen Robinson is a highly skilled player and Devon Scott will be a physical presence, especially on the glass, from day 1. Both are capable of giving 15 solid minutes per night. And Archie has the ability to play smaller with Oliver at the 4 against most teams they'll face. Kavanaugh was actually a weird fit for what Archie wants from his bigs. He's not mobile and he can't hit the 15 footer. Benson, Gavrilovic, and Robinson all can, and Scott is as mobile as a big gets.

Benson will be a double digit scorer just as he was last year. I was shocked at how he was moving on the knee. They are controlling his practice time, and due to his rehab he's already in game shape. If he doesn't hit the ground running, I think it will be a very brisk walk.

Losing Kavanaugh may hurt early, but they do have over 2 weeks of practice and 2 exhibitions before the season starts. They have the depth to cover and the time to get people ready. I would be quite shocked if losing Kavanaugh holds them back. He was good, he wasn't irreplaceable.

I don't know if Dayton will reach the top 4 in the A10, only a fool would make concrete predictions in this year's A10, but the talent is there to make a serious run at it. If they don't, it will be because Sanford, Derenbecker and Oliver didn't give what was needed, not because Kavanaugh got kicked out of school.

[bleedXblue]

Mainly because of the way the situations were handled from an administration standpoint as well as Xavier's being a PR nightmare from last December to Dez's departure.
Dayton was extremely tedious and they did an excellent job collecting evidence and determining what should be done.......whereas Xavier sh!t the bed as far as that was concerned as we can all agree Dez did not deserve what he got. If the reports of what Dez did were true he should be behind bars. He is simply playing basketball for and enrolled in another school. Xavier deserves every image problem that comes their way....and as we have seen over the past 10 months in recruiting, they are paying significantly. Who knows how long this will last.
Many people and fans are extremely disappointed in this university and they have every right to be.....and it is not something that is just gonna go away.

Comparing these two situations is really not fair.

X had the presser snafu along with a Federal Inquirey into prior handling of sexual assault cases to deal with when the Wells situation came up.

I'm not thrilled with whats happened on Victory Parkway the last year either, but you have to somewhat understand the diffucult postion X was in.

[xlax]

Comparing these two situations is really not fair.

X had the presser snafu along with a Federal Inquirey into prior handling of sexual assault cases to deal with when the Wells situation came up.

I'm not thrilled with whats happened on Victory Parkway the last year either, but you have to somewhat understand the diffucult postion X put themselves in.

Fixed it for ya.

While there's no doubt the brawl presser and the federal inquiry had to do with Wells dismissal both those things were entirely Xavier's doing. I find it hard to sympathize with the "position they were in" when they themselves created said position.

[Muskied]

It's funny, two years ago I got ridiculed on the A10 board for saying Kavanaugh had enough talent to be playing over the crappy bigs at the time. Now I'm getting flak for saying losing him isn't that big of a deal. I have been familiar with Kavanaugh's game for nearly 6 years now. I have a pretty good idea of what he is.

I agree he wasn't talented enough....I maintain you just don't have anyone better. Your Frenchy is awful, Your Cajun is over-rated, Your freshman are freshman...I don't care if they play 30 minutes a game...it doesn't mean they will be effective despite your analysis. Your guards are guards, and Oliver is over his head. Adam, I respect you for how well you know UD basketball, but I'll believe it when I see it. Kav started for you last year...averaged 9 and 6, and was expected to do the same. Best of luck with your continued optimism.

[bleedXblue]

Fixed it for ya.

While there's no doubt the brawl presser and the federal inquiry had to do with Wells dismissal both those things were entirely Xavier's doing. I find it hard to sympathize with the "position they were in" when they themselves created said position.

No, I meant what I said. Dez Wells and his "accuser" put the administration in a tough spot. Yes, they did themselves no favors with the other two issues, but lets be clear what we're talking about.

My point is pretty simple, UD had much less "baggage" to deal with and had an easier situation to react to compared to X.

[AdamtheFlyer]

I agree he wasn't talented enough....I maintain you just don't have anyone better. Your Frenchy is awful, Your Cajun is over-rated, Your freshman are freshman...I don't care if they play 30 minutes a game...it doesn't mean they will be effective despite your analysis. Your guards are guards, and Oliver is over his head. Adam, I respect you for how well you know UD basketball, but I'll believe it when I see it. Kav started for you last year...averaged 9 and 6, and was expected to do the same. Best of luck with your continued optimism.

So he wasn't talented, but losing him is a huge deal. If Kavanaugh sucked, and Gavrilovic sucks (they were almost the exact same player last year, per minute played), then replacing suck with suck really isn't a big deal. But yet it is a huge deal that almost certainly cannot be overcome, according to you. Tilt-a-whirl analysis.

We can argue all day on the abilities of UD players, but isn't the thread for complete roster breakdowns, so I'll just say this: Devin Oliver averaged 3.3 points and 4.4 boards in the first 24 games. In the last nine, he had averaged 9 points and 6.8 rebounds. That doesn't signal he is in over his head. It actually signals the game may be slowing down for him. With Kavanaugh gone, I would venture a guess that Devin Oliver is the most likely to breakout and fill that production gap. The "awful" Frenchie and seemingly unable to produce freshman don't have to fill the production, they simply have to fill a role. If they do produce, then certainly no one will even give Kavanaugh a second thought.

[Muskied]

We can argue all day on the abilities of UD players.

no we can't. UD Players have limited to no ability....

I'm exhausted talking about UD basketball...good lord....sorry to the rest of you readers.

[Masterofreality]

The Montgomery County prosecutor is not pressing charges against Kavanaugh, but he supports the University's actions.

Hmmm. A bit different reaction than the grandstanding we saw in Cincinnati.

Just saying'...

[GoMuskies]

Could well be that one university deserved support and the other didn't.

[Masterofreality]

Could well be that one university deserved support and the other didn't.

Why, what's the difference? Same violation, same University action. Different prosecutor reaction, but same no prosecution.

Oh, that's right. Deters went to UC. Heck went to Marquette and Georgetown with no axe to grind vs. udump. Hmmmmmm.

[waggy]

I don't remember, were Deters comments unsolicited? He really had no business commenting on it. His thoughts on the issue are basically meaningless.

[gladdenguy]

No, I meant what I said. Dez Wells and his "accuser" put the administration in a tough spot. Yes, they did themselves no favors with the other two issues, but lets be clear what we're talking about.

My point is pretty simple, UD had much less "baggage" to deal with and had an easier situation to react to compared to X.

They had sex......many college kids do it. And the baggage is due to Xavier University themselves....nobody else.
What you end up with is the kid who was involved in the brawl being put on his a$$ because of the moronic people who serve on a board who were in over their heads. Meanwhile a good kid gets screwed and it has damaged Xavier recruiting because kids don't wanna be treated like sh!t .

[waggy]

They had sex......many college kids do it. And the baggage is due to Xavier University themselves....nobody else.
What you end up with is the kid who was involved in the brawl being put on his a$$ because of the moronic people who serve on a board who were in over their heads. Meanwhile a good kid gets screwed and it has damaged Xavier recruiting because kids don't wanna be treated like sh!t .

The girl accused him of assault. The conduct board agreed. I don't get what you expected the university to do. I guess in your fantasy world they were supposed to go against the judgement of the conduct board. Dez might be a good kid, but he screwed himself. Xavier didn't do the wrong thing here. It may not have suited your selfish ass, but it was the right thing.

You're doing more damage by crying about it over and over and over. So for the final time... Xavier DID NOT screw Dez. He did it to himself, and a council of his peers expelled him.

BTW, Diarrhea has more constitution than you.

[Masterofreality]

The girl accused him of assault. The conduct board agreed. I don't get what you expected the university to do. I guess in your fantasy world they were supposed to go against the judgement of the conduct board. Dez might be a good kid, but he screwed himself. Xavier didn't do the wrong thing here. It may not have suited your selfish ass, but it was the right thing.

You're doing more damage by crying about it over and over and over. So for the final time... Xavier DID NOT screw Dez. He did it to himself, and a council of his peers expelled him.
.

THIS!!!!! Reps.

[paulxu]

Well, at least we didn't have this sort of stuff floating around in our daily paper:


“I’m concerned for my daughter in that the big man on campus got kicked out of school and my little girl didn’t even know who he was. And I’m concerned about any repercussions against her from crazy basketball fans,” the girl’s father added

http://www.whiotv.com/news/news/local/criminal-probe-involved-ud-player/nSpm9/

[Mrs. Garrett]

Well, at least we didn't have this sort of stuff floating around in our daily paper:



http://www.whiotv.com/news/news/local/criminal-probe-involved-ud-player/nSpm9/

Really? This guys daughter had no idea the 6'10 250# guy might have been on the basketball team. Give me a break. He might have to realize his little girl isn't so much so anymore.

Not saying the accusations are false, just that I'll bet $$$ on it that she knew who he was.

[paulxu]

You would think she might know. But at 17 and in August, one could assume it is a freshman girl just arriving on campus.

[bleedXblue]

The girl accused him of assault. The conduct board agreed. I don't get what you expected the university to do. I guess in your fantasy world they were supposed to go against the judgement of the conduct board. Dez might be a good kid, but he screwed himself. Xavier didn't do the wrong thing here. It may not have suited your selfish ass, but it was the right thing.

You're doing more damage by crying about it over and over and over. So for the final time... Xavier DID NOT screw Dez. He did it to himself, and a council of his peers expelled him.

BTW, Diarrhea has more constitution than you.

Yep this.

Somehow GG professes himself to be a fan ? I dont get it and I dont why he's sticking around other than continuiing to bitch and moan about all the bad shit thats happened over the last year. At some point you have to let go of it and move on. Whats happened has happened. Time to turn the page GG and grow up.