More Flyers in NBA will lead to wins at Xavier

[aurorix2]

While broadcasting the basketball games for the past three decades, I have shared fans’ anguish when the Xavier Musketeers have gotten the better of the Dayton Flyers.

Starting in the 1990s the rivalry became lopsided on the court, and while Dayton has regained the ability to hold serve at home, its losing streak in Cincinnati continues.

Dayton’s NCAA appearances have been episodic compared to X’s, and the reason behind the disparity between the two programs may be evident in the hallway outside the home locker room at the Cintas Center.

Former Flyer Brian Roberts will be playing on the New Orleans Hornets team in the Las Vegas summer league. He and Johnson both have legitimate shots to make a roster while Wright impressed coaches and peers with his work ethic and character, and his 25-point performance in the regular-season finale should help secure his future with Golden State.

Three Dayton players on NBA rosters would do wonders to raise the profile of the program in the eyes of recruits, which in turn could lead to wins at Xavier — on a road to the Final Four

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/university-of-dayton-flyers/commentary-more-flyers-in-nba-will-benefit-program-1398972.html

[BMoreX]

Cool story bro.

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[bobbiemcgee]

Wright started with 5 rookies after coming from Dakota the week before. The Spurs had sent their entire starting team home to rest. 'Bout the same as a Devores league game.
After the draft prospects come in, don't see any of these guys sticking.

[Cheesehead]

I love good fiction.

[Dr. X]

What are you smoking and why haven't you shared it with me?

[xudash]

I love good fiction.

I didn't bother to open the link, because I thought the post was a joke. Hell on earth defined is a UD fan's jealousy of Xavier.

[xsteve1]

Pure comedy.

[X Factor]

I didn't bother to open the link, because I thought the post was a joke. Hell on earth defined is a UD's fan's jealousy of Xavier.

Actual article written by UD's play by play radio guy!

[Muskied]

the fact that the city of Dayton has more players in the NBA than UD will ever have shows how far behind they are....its funny to me that they think they are a few non roster invites away with competing with Xavier.

[Cheesehead]

I didn't bother to open the link, because I thought the post was a joke. Hell on earth defined is a UD fan's jealousy of Xavier.

Oh, I didn't either read it either. :D

[UCGRAD4X]

Oh, I didn't either read it either. :D

I refuse to participate as well.

[Blue Blooded-05]

aurorix2 personifies my signature...

[Masterofreality]

I can only guffaw.....and guffaw again.

[xu2013]

I heard David West, Jordan Crawford, and Derrick Brown are all really concerned about being on a roster next year. That's it Dayton has passed us as a program.

[Cheesehead]

I heard David West, Jordan Crawford, and Derrick Brown are all really concerned about being on a roster next year. That's it Dayton has passed us as a program.

and James Posey just ended a 13 year NBA career.

[xubrew]

One of Dayton's problems is their fixation on Xavier. Cross referencing everything you do with what everything someone else is doing isn't going to make you better. It will just reinforce an unhealthy obsession.

Former X players in the NBA won while they were at X. It's the "winning at X" part that we built on. Georgia Tech has several former players in the NBA as well, but you can't build a long-standing successful program around just that. IE, just look at the current state of Georgia Tech's program.

[Muskiefornia]

Summer league roster is NOT an NBA roster. Are we kidding? If those are the standards Xavier could claim Jason Love (76ers) Justin Cage (Bulls) and probably other players I cannot think of.

How can people be so stupid?

[GetUp5]

http:///Users/Bob/Desktop/images-1.jpeg

[GIMMFD]

This has to be a practical joke guys! Don't read too much into it!

[UCGRAD4X]

It's a reach, at best.

but, what else do they have to hang their collective hats on?

Can you say, "Grasping at straws?"

From their point of view, it certainly can't hurt.

Can you say, "When you're at the bottom, the only way is up?"

[Masterofreality]

Summer league roster is NOT an NBA roster. Are we kidding? If those are the standards Xavier could claim Jason Love (76ers) Justin Cage (Bulls) and probably other players I cannot think of.

How can people be so stupid?

Torraye Braggs, Lionel Chalmers, Romain Sato,

And on, and on, and on....

[ammtd34]

This is funny. It's not close and hasn't been for quite a while.

Since 1990, Dayton has 4 tournament appearances. Xavier has 17. Xavier has 6 Sweet 16 appearances. Dayton has 0. Since both joined the A-10, Xavier has 4 tournament championships and 9 regular season championships. Dayton has 3 and 1.

[bleedXblue]

perfect example of how delusional their fan base is

Its comical

[danaandvictory]

What I find the stupidest is the idea that beating Xavier at Cintas is going to be the watershed moment, the Battle of Midway, in Dayton's eternal struggle for basketball recognition.

Seriously, if they beat XU this year, it will merit a four-second mention on SportsCenter, and that's it. No one outside Southwestern Ohio will care. It doesn't clinch a spot in the NCAA Tournament, or the Sweet 16, or the Final Four. It doesn't win an Atlantic 10 championship. Now, it certainly will cause every Xavier fan in America to rip tufts of hair out of his/her head, scream obscenities, and hurl feces (their own, and potentially any other feces within easy reach) in all directions, but even that can't really make up for the last quarter century, can it? It's not like this would be the first time in recent history that Dayton has had a better team than Xavier - Purnell's teams turned that trick a few times and yet it didn't do enough to move the needle.

Quit acting like Fredo Corleone and maybe people will stop treating you like him.

[DC Muskie]

Did some guy in Dayton really just write an article at the end of June about how having Brian Roberts playing summer league basketball for an NBA will help Dayton beat Xavier?

Holy Jeez are we in their head or what?

This is awesome. We own them.

[ballyhoohoo]

I heard Landon Warren just got the NBA package from dish network and Jimmy Bennie got a job directing visiting team busses at The United center They are passing us as a program.

[kyxu]

One of Dayton's problems is their fixation on Xavier. Cross referencing everything you do with what everything someone else is doing isn't going to make you better. It will just reinforce an unhealthy obsession.


This.

Though I wouldn't say this is "one of" Dayton's problems, but the root of their problems.


What I find the stupidest is the idea that beating Xavier at Cintas is going to be the watershed moment, the Battle of Midway, in Dayton's eternal struggle for basketball recognition.

Seriously, if they beat XU this year, it will merit a four-second mention on SportsCenter, and that's it. No one outside Southwestern Ohio will care. It doesn't clinch a spot in the NCAA Tournament, or the Sweet 16, or the Final Four. It doesn't win an Atlantic 10 championship. Now, it certainly will cause every Xavier fan in America to rip tufts of hair out of his/her head, scream obscenities, and hurl feces (their own, and potentially any other feces within easy reach) in all directions, but even that can't really make up for the last quarter century, can it? It's not like this would be the first time in recent history that Dayton has had a better team than Xavier - Purnell's teams turned that trick a few times and yet it didn't do enough to move the needle.

Quit acting like Fredo Corleone and maybe people will stop treating you like him.

Same point, great explanation for why Dayton's program has been stalled for the last 20 years.

It's all about "beating Xavier in Cincinnati" and when it will finally happen for them. What difference is it gonna make when they lose the following year?

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

The Wachowski brothers find this Dayton theory implausible and 'full of holes'

[blueblob06]

It's all about "beating Xavier in Cincinnati" and when it will finally happen for them. What difference is it gonna make when they lose the following year?

Because if they won at Cintas, they could then say "hey, we've 1 of the last 23 (or whatever is it) there!"

That's something to hang your hat on Dayton!

[Masterofreality]

I heard Landon Warren just got the NBA package from dish network and Jimmy Bennie got a job directing visiting team busses at The United center They are passing us as a program.


The Wachowski brothers find this Dayton theory implausible and 'full of holes'


Let's see, LANDON Warren, JimmY BENNIE, and WACHOWSKI brothers.

I'm glad that we're so obsessed with the dump that we always spell names right.

[PM Thor]

What I find the stupidest is the idea that beating Xavier at Cintas is going to be the watershed moment, the Battle of Midway, in Dayton's eternal struggle for basketball recognition.

Seriously, if they beat XU this year, it will merit a four-second mention on SportsCenter, and that's it. No one outside Southwestern Ohio will care. It doesn't clinch a spot in the NCAA Tournament, or the Sweet 16, or the Final Four. It doesn't win an Atlantic 10 championship. Now, it certainly will cause every Xavier fan in America to rip tufts of hair out of his/her head, scream obscenities, and hurl feces (their own, and potentially any other feces within easy reach) in all directions, but even that can't really make up for the last quarter century, can it? It's not like this would be the first time in recent history that Dayton has had a better team than Xavier - Purnell's teams turned that trick a few times and yet it didn't do enough to move the needle.

Quit acting like Fredo Corleone and maybe people will stop treating you like him.

To be quite honest, if X loses at home to dayton it will take a weight off my shoulders, a relief if you will. I'm sick of worrying about it, but I go through it every year. Of course I don't want it to happen, but if it does, hopefully those dayton idiots can move onto something else for a change. And if it does happen, I expect them to burn down half of dayton celebrating, so we have that going for us.

I HATE dayton.

[LadyMuskie]

Three Dayton players on NBA rosters would do wonders to raise the profile of the program in the eyes of recruits, which in turn could lead to wins at Xavier — on a road to the Final Four


Not to rain on your parade, or anything, but you really think that 3 potential NBA players is going to compare to our walls filled with posters of X grads playing in the NBA? Really? Let's pretend for a minute that Brian Roberts overcomes his permanent, terminal case of the "flu" and makes it onto an NBA team (if I can suspend belief to enjoy Batman or Spiderman I can do it here too). Okay. So "BRob" is on a team. So what? You're still ud. You still play in a subpar arena in a sub-sub par city with a coach you hired so you could pretend that you're Xavier. But, we're still the real Xavier. We're better in every way possible. We'll see your Brian Roberts and Chris Wright and raise you a David West, Jordan Crawford, and Derrick Brown. Then just for kicks, we'll throw in Brian Grant, Ty Hill and James Posey. There is no comparison. Comparing ud to X is like comparing apples to a fighter jet.

The sooner you deal with your jealousy and inferiority complex, the sooner you'll be able to find happiness in your mediocrity.

[Pablo's Brother]

Not to rain on your parade, or anything, but you really think that 3 potential NBA players is going to compare to our walls filled with posters of X grads playing in the NBA? Really? Let's pretend for a minute that Brian Roberts overcomes his permanent, terminal case of the "flu" and makes it onto an NBA team (if I can suspend belief to enjoy Batman or Spiderman I can do it here too). Okay. So "BRob" is on a team. So what? You're still ud. You still play in a subpar arena in a sub-sub par city with a coach you hired so you could pretend that you're Xavier. But, we're still the real Xavier. We're better in every way possible. We'll see your Brian Roberts and Chris Wright and raise you a David West, Jordan Crawford, and Derrick Brown. Then just for kicks, we'll throw in Brian Grant, Ty Hill and James Posey. There is no comparison. Comparing ud to X is like comparing apples to a fighter jet.

The sooner you deal with your jealousy and inferiority complex, the sooner you'll be able to find happiness in your mediocrity.

Testify!

[nuts4xu]

The sooner you deal with your jealousy and inferiority complex, the sooner you'll be able to find happiness in your mediocrity.


We need more ladies like LadyMuskie on this board! This is some great smack!

And it is 11 am on July 3, 2012.....and dayton still sucks. They can eat a throbbing bag of swollen dicks!!

[paulxu]

I see another poor, unsuspecting fool overlooked Rule #1.
It's really not that hard people.

[Muskied]

I see another poor, unsuspecting fool overlooked Rule #1.
It's really not that hard people.

The first rule of the Xavier Hoops Message Board is that you do not talk about the Xavier Hoops Message Board?

[paulxu]

Rule #1: Do not piss off Lady Muskie.

[xudash]

Not to rain on your parade, or anything, but you really think that 3 potential NBA players is going to compare to our walls filled with posters of X grads playing in the NBA? Really? Let's pretend for a minute that Brian Roberts overcomes his permanent, terminal case of the "flu" and makes it onto an NBA team (if I can suspend belief to enjoy Batman or Spiderman I can do it here too). Okay. So "BRob" is on a team. So what? You're still ud. You still play in a subpar arena in a sub-sub par city with a coach you hired so you could pretend that you're Xavier. But, we're still the real Xavier. We're better in every way possible. We'll see your Brian Roberts and Chris Wright and raise you a David West, Jordan Crawford, and Derrick Brown. Then just for kicks, we'll throw in Brian Grant, Ty Hill and James Posey. There is no comparison. Comparing ud to X is like comparing apples to a fighter jet.

The sooner you deal with your jealousy and inferiority complex, the sooner you'll be able to find happiness in your mediocrity.

If there is a bridge in Dayton from which one can jump, this poor tool is probably heading there now. Way to annihilate him LM. Public reps to follow the private ones.

[paulxu]

LM post in pictures:

Criers

http://blog.nj.com/sports/bracket_boy/2009/03/large_bboy21.jpg

Muskies

http://area51specialprojects.com/blackbird/srs.jpg

[Cheesehead]

Not to rain on your parade, or anything, but you really think that 3 potential NBA players is going to compare to our walls filled with posters of X grads playing in the NBA? Really? Let's pretend for a minute that Brian Roberts overcomes his permanent, terminal case of the "flu" and makes it onto an NBA team (if I can suspend belief to enjoy Batman or Spiderman I can do it here too). Okay. So "BRob" is on a team. So what? You're still ud. You still play in a subpar arena in a sub-sub par city with a coach you hired so you could pretend that you're Xavier. But, we're still the real Xavier. We're better in every way possible. We'll see your Brian Roberts and Chris Wright and raise you a David West, Jordan Crawford, and Derrick Brown. Then just for kicks, we'll throw in Brian Grant, Ty Hill and James Posey. There is no comparison. Comparing ud to X is like comparing apples to a fighter jet.

The sooner you deal with your jealousy and inferiority complex, the sooner you'll be able to find happiness in your mediocrity.

you forgot Aaron Williams and Derek Strong

..and if we going to get technical: you can add Stan, Lionel and Romain, and there's another recent guard that had a cup of coffee in the NBA

[blobfan]

To be quite honest, if X loses at home to dayton it will take a weight off my shoulders, a relief if you will. I'm sick of worrying about it, but I go through it every year. Of course I don't want it to happen, but if it does, hopefully those dayton idiots can move onto something else for a change. And if it does happen, I expect them to burn down half of dayton celebrating, so we have that going for us.

I HATE dayton.

You forgot the ticker-tape parade and the commendation from the state senate.

[Dr. X]

Paul, your second image didn't work but I'll assume that it's a Patriot SAM battery or something.

[paulxu]

Paul, your second image didn't work but I'll assume that it's a Patriot SAM battery or something.

Now that's really interesting. I wonder why it disappeared and now shows up as a red X.
I don't think it was a copyright photo. Maybe one of the mods can explain why it suddenly changes. I notice that when someone updates an old thread that often pictures that were obviously there before are now red X's.

It was a really neat photo of the SR71 Blackbird. (I was lamely trying to relate the goofy flyers and their stupid plane to Lady Muskies' comment about X being a jet fighter plane). Here's the photo again:

http://www.wvi.com/~sr71webmaster/ladc1.jpg

[Masterofreality]

Three Dayton players on NBA rosters would do wonders to raise the profile of the program in the eyes of recruits, which in turn could lead to wins at Xavier — on a road to the Final Four


Karma Police...arrest this man
He talks in maths
He buzzes like a fridge
He's like a detuned radio....


Not to rain on your parade, or anything, but you really think that 3 potential NBA players is going to compare to our walls filled with posters of X grads playing in the NBA? Really?.... Comparing ud to X is like comparing apples to a fighter jet.

The sooner you deal with your jealousy and inferiority complex, the sooner you'll be able to find happiness in your mediocrity.

This is what you get...
This is what you get...
This is what you get...when you mess with us....

-Italicized quotes courtesy of Thom Yorke & Radiohead

[UCGRAD4X]

Now that's really interesting. I wonder why it disappeared and now shows up as a red X.
I don't think it was a copyright photo. Maybe one of the mods can explain why it suddenly changes. I notice that when someone updates an old thread that often pictures that were obviously there before are now red X's.

It was a really neat photo of the SR71 Blackbird. (I was lamely trying to relate the goofy flyers and their stupid plane to Lady Muskies' comment about X being a jet fighter plane). Here's the photo again:

http://www.wvi.com/~sr71webmaster/ladc1.jpg

The Blackbird is a great plane especially considering it was developed in the early 60s.

However - it is not a fighter jet but for long range reconnaissance.

[Dr. X]

The Blackbird is a great plane especially considering it was developed in the early 60s.

However - it is not a fighter jet but for long range reconnaissance.

Hate to be "that guy", but that's not entirely true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YF-12

[smileyy]

So you're saying it was a fighter jet in the preseason? (Never got out of prototype)

[Masterofreality]

So,

I'm sitting at a stop light today behind a BMW with a "dayton flyers" sticker on the back. The light changes.
The BMW stalls as it tries to turn left with the arrow. I patiently wait.
When it is appropriate, my Ford Edge with my Xavier License Plates and sticker eases right by the stalled dayton flyer BMW and prevails through the intersection.

This is just how life is.

[XULucho27]

So,

I'm sitting at a stop light today behind a BMW with a "dayton flyers" sticker on the back. The light changes.
The BMW stalls as it tries to turn left with the arrow. I patiently wait.
When it is appropriate, my Ford Edge with my Xavier License Plates and sticker eases right by the stalled dayton flyer BMW and prevails through the intersection.

This is just how life is.

An overhyped piece of machinery that stalls just as it is beginning to perform as expected? Yup. Sounds like the flyers.

[ballyhoohoo]

An overhyped piece of machinery that stalls just as it is beginning to perform as expected? Yup. Sounds like the flyers.

Sounds like some Ud dipship can't drive a manual. Typical Dayton biting off more then they can chew

[Dr. X]

So you're saying it was a fighter jet in the preseason? (Never got out of prototype)

Except it became much more useful in the regular season, thus crushing the hopes of the watermelon fornicators.

[aurorix2]

UD currently leads the Xavier series, 84-74. I don't see X catching up anytime soon.

[blueblob06]

UD currently leads the Xavier series, 84-74. I don't see X catching up anytime soon.

Haha. The rest of us will go ahead and live in the present, not the past. The only line as good as this is when UC fans gloat that they won a national championship in 1961 and 1962.

[joebba]

UD currently leads the Xavier series, 84-74. I don't see X catching up anytime soon.

Really? I thought we would make it up in 2 years. :confused:

[XULucho27]

UD currently leads the Xavier series, 84-74. I don't see X catching up anytime soon.

UD also leads Xavier in NIT appearances over the last ten years. I don't see X catching up anytime soon.

[kyxu]

UD currently leads the Xavier series, 84-74. I don't see X catching up anytime soon.

I'd give it 5 years.

[GoMuskies]

I wonder what Dayton's series lead was on Ronald Reagan's inauguration day.

[xudash]

I wonder what Dayton's series lead was on Ronald Reagan's inauguration day.

blueblob06 nutted it, about living in the present. Seriously, this is the only thing this poor tool has to lean on now.

Yet I was thinking of it along the same lines as you. The gap was a lot larger back then.

10 games now. It's a matter of time, and within 5 years sounds about right. When it happens, losers like this and Muddled Waters will explode.

[kyxu]

I feel like after Prosser's last season at XU, UD had like a 30-game lead in the series on Xavier. Now it's at 10, apparently.

These things can dwindle when you lose season series to your rival. From the 2002 to 2008 seasons, I think UD was something like 3-15 against Xavier. Someone may want to check me on that, though.

[ChicagoX]

X has picked up an impressive 15 games in the all-time series since the 2001-2002 season, which was Matta's first year after Prosser left for Wake Forest. The past eleven seasons, Xavier is 22-7 against Dayton. It's pretty remarkable to average two wins per year against any opponent at all, better yet versus a team that considers you to be their biggest rival.

That first season when the domination began in 2001-2002, X went 3-0 against UD and ever since that time they never looked back and have continued to thoroughly own the series.

[Masterofreality]

UD currently leads the Xavier series, 84-74. I don't see X catching up anytime soon.

Really?

I'd say that when the current freshman class at XU graduates, Xavier would have caught and passed.

Oh, I forgot that Matt Derenbecker was now on the roster of the dump.... it'll happen when that class is still Juniors.

[X-band '01]

If Stats-R-Us were still alive, he could easily look at other series in the college game and figure out the biggest historical turnaround in a series. Dayton had at its peak something like a 30-35 game lead. Ever since the Thad Matta regime, that deficit has been slashed considerably.

[xudash]

X has picked up an impressive 15 games in the all-time series since the 2001-2002 season, which was Matta's first year after Prosser left for Wake Forest. The past eleven seasons, Xavier is 22-7 against Dayton. It's pretty remarkable to average two wins per year against any opponent at all, better yet versus a team that considers you to be their biggest rival.

That first season when the domination began in 2001-2002, X went 3-0 against UD and ever since that time they never looked back and have continued to thoroughly own the series.

In other words, the poor bastard brings up the overall record and UD is made to look unaccomplished yet again. It just doesn't pay to live in the past.

Xavier: 22-7 against UD since Skip. WOya.

[Cheesehead]

UD currently leads the Xavier series, 84-74. I don't see X catching up anytime soon.

This is just stupid. I expect more from an uniformed UD fan.

[jcubspoe]

Really?

I'd say that when the current freshman class at XU graduates, Xavier would have caught and passed.

Oh, I forgot that Matt Derenbecker was now on the roster of the dump.... it'll happen when that class is still Juniors.


I'll take that bet MoR, will you?

X +11 over UD in the next 4 seasons. What's your wager?

[nuts4xu]

I'll take that bet MoR, will you?

X +11 over UD in the next 4 seasons. What's your wager?

What will they have to hang their hats on then? When Xavier gains the advantage over ud in the overall series in a few years, I wonder if the ghetto will burn to the ground?

[joebba]

Anyone seen the movie "In time"? Anyone find it amusing the main "ghetto" in that movie is Dayton? Hillarious.

[Muskie1000]

So we just got back from vacation and flew into Dayton. As we were exiting, the Stewards/Stewardess were talking and I heard them say that they've never been to Dayton but it didn't look very great. I turned around and smiled and said well there isn't anything to do in Dayton, that's why the people in Dayton go to Cincinnati for a good time.

[Masterofreality]

So we just got back from vacation and flew into Dayton. As we were exiting, the Stewards/Stewardess were talking and I heard them say that they've never been to Dayton but it didn't look very great. I turned around and smiled and said well there isn't anything to do in Dayton, that's why the people in Dayton go to Cincinnati for a good time.

Like. =^

[GIMMFD]

So we just got back from vacation and flew into Dayton. As we were exiting, the Stewards/Stewardess were talking and I heard them say that they've never been to Dayton but it didn't look very great. I turned around and smiled and said well there isn't anything to do in Dayton, that's why the people in Dayton go to Cincinnati for a good time.

Haha +reps for that.