IU has 15 Scholarship offers and only 13 spots

[Muskie]

Link (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/11/indiana-has-14-scholarship-players-for-13-spots/)

One suggestion... ask Zeller to walk-on. I'm serious. That's a proposal.

[ammtd34]

It sounds strange and doesn't seem right to me, but it's not unprecedented.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/jun/07/kuric-gives-up-scholarship-for-good-of-ul/

[GIMMFD]

I mean, Zeller though? Really? Your star player? Kuric is good, and he was told before hand, there's no way in hell that Zeller was told "we may have to take your scholarship spot"

[whitesox]

I mean, Zeller though? Really? Your star player? Kuric is good, and he was told before hand, there's no way in hell that Zeller was told "we may have to take your scholarship spot"

No, he wouldn't be told that.

Rumor has been that Jordan Hulls told Crean last year that he would pay his senior year if they needed him to. No idea whether that is true, but people around the IU program seem to think some plan is in place.

[PMI]

Is that allowed? I could see some potential issues with that. For example, if there is a superstar player who is a sure fire future lottery pick and has already played one or more years in a program, could that player just be a walk-on in his last year, paying his own way through and have his scholarship just open up to someone else? It seems like the NCAA would not allow that but I'm not going to try and rationalize it based on anything those idiots think.

[PMI]

What is wrong with that? The sure-fire lottery guy doesn't have the cash in hand. If a guy is willing to pay his own way, so be it. Most people aren't.

Nothing is wrong with it. But I mean, couldn't a kid just take out student loans, which would end up being peanuts to them in a mere 8 months? I just think it sounds like something the NCAA wouldn't allow, which, again, is not an indictment on the idea of a good player paying his own way if he wanted to. It just seems to me like something the NCAA wouldn't allow but I guess they do. I believe they don't let you move to an academic scholarship even if you are more than qualified. I just see a lot of what the NCAA might consider to be loopholes with it is all.

[smileyy]

Or, you know, his lottery pick brother could give/lend him the money. Just seems like a weird scenario.

[PMI]

Or, you know, his lottery pick brother could give/lend him the money. Just seems like a weird scenario.

Exactly. Brothers in pro sports. Sons of former pros or other rich people. I know the percentages for these kinds of players are really low, but imagine if UK added some 5 star recruit who was willing to pay his own way and they wouldn't have to lose a scholarship. Think about the bitching and moaning that would follow.

[smileyy]

I guess he could. But why would his brother look to help out IU?

Because he wants his brother to win a national title?

[smileyy]

I don't think these are the types of scenarios that the NCAA cares about (or should).

It bothers me, but I can't put my finger on a good reason why it should.

I'll just go back to hating the NCAA in general.

[PMI]

I don't think these are the types of scenarios that the NCAA cares about (or should). If you're paying your own way, or your family is willing to pay your way, why would/should the NCAA care? Tennessee got Allen Houston as a walk-on. Should that not have been allowed? I guess the fact that their teams still managed to suck was a mitigating factor.

I don't have a problem with any of it to be honest, but I think it can be looked at differently if a player is already a well-established star player who had been on scholarship and then gives it up to let another good scholarship player come in. Essentially, you've got an extra scholarship player on the roster. In theory, multiple guys could do this and if nothing else, help make for some much more competitive practices. Again, I'm not really concerned about it or against it, I just think it's weird, especially given the NCAAs rulings on everything else. I think it's inconsistent with their inconsistency, if you will.

[DoubleD86]

If I am not mistaken, a recruited prospective student-athlete can not go off of scholarship and therefore not count against the 13 scholarships.

Once a player enters a school as a recruited athlete, he will remain as a count against the scholarship limit.

I could be wrong though.

[DoubleD86]

He can go off scholarship as long he is actually paying his own way. He can't get any academic or other scholarship money.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

This does seem like it would be quite a slippery slope. Some examples have been provided that could really get teams to wiggle around scholarship limits and squeeze in a top recruit. Of course, all of that would hinge on a player agreeing to pay his own way.

[Juice]

Update on the situation at IU

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18992247/fifteen-guys-for-13-spots-indianas-delicate-scholarship-situation

[waggy]

Can that guy blow Crean any harder?

[94GRAD]

Can that guy blow Crean any harder?

Swallow?