Baylor Recruiting

[More Cowbell]

Does anyone else wonder how Baylor gets such good recruits. There is something odd about Scott Drew. Why would you choose Waco if you had other good options. Is he Jim Calhoun version 2?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/17892182/ohios-dj-cooper-said-tennessee-baylor-tried-to-get-him-to-transfer

[XUglow]

Yes.

[DC Muskie]

I think I read where Baylor and Tennessee were trying to get Ohio's DJ Cooper to transfer to their schools.

The kid still plays for Ohio.

It's going to be funny (in a sad way) watching the game this week and hearing how comparable the situation at Baylor years ago are the same as what we went through since December.

Cuase you know it's going to happen.

[dc_x]

9 years ago a Baylor player murdered one of his teammates and the head coach tried to cover it up.

The program was in complete dissarray until 2007. It is "interesting" how quickly Drew has been able to recruit McDonalds All-Americans to Baylor to say the least.

[boozehound]

9 years ago a Baylor player murdered one of his teammates and the head coach tried to cover it up.

The program was in complete dissarray until 2007. It is "interesting" how quickly Drew has been able to recruit McDonalds All-Americans to Baylor to say the least.

I have heard that. I have also heard that the academic standards for basketball players at Baylor aren't exactily rigorous, even compared to fairly low standards most big time programs have for their athletes. That could be part of it. I don't really know enough about Baylor to speculate that they are dirty. If they aren't, Scott Drew is one heck of a recruiter.


We have to beat who they have on the roster, however it is they got there. If these guys weren't at Baylor, they'd probably be playing for some team I hate anyway. So keep up the good work Mr. Drew.

Bingo.

[Juice]

I have read several articles about Drew now and none of them speak very highly of him. One article called him the most hated coach in the college basketball by other coaches and the one yesterday concerning tampering and DJ Cooper. Perry Jones had to sit out at the end of last year for improper benefits. All signs point to him being a scum bag, which is kind of funny because he portrays himself as strict Christian or some bullcrap like that.

[XUXC2009]

In re: Scott Drew's questionable methods

The main accusation against him have been negative recruiting and the hiring of John Wall's AAU coach. I don't want to be one to burst anyone's bubbles but I would have to say that is standard practice.

I know with my own experience being recruited just about every coach asked me what other schools I was considering. I won't get into specifics but just about every single coach wound up having multiple negative things to say about other programs. "That school doesn't graduate their athletes in 4 years." "This school will force you to redshirt." "This place runs their team in the ground and gets everyone injured." "That school recently had to suspend several members of their team for drug violations." Every statement the coaches made were 100% true (and one of the previous statements was also about our own school, I won't say which one). And this is about collegiate cross country, not basketball or football.

As far as the hiring of AAU coaches, didn't XU do the same with Book Richardson? Sure this practice is more than a bit shady, but hard to say it is uncommon.

The reality here is people are mad piddly little Baylor, the supposed doormat of the Big 12 is getting high quality recruits. Simple as that. I think it is laudatory that Scott Drew has been able to turn that program around based on what it was when he took over. How many other coaches would have been willing to step into that situation?

[tmac03]

There was also the matter of his assistant coach threatening to have a recruit deported if he didn't sign with Baylor. I know it related to the assistant coach and not Drew, but it seems unlikely that there's this much smoke without a fire.

[Juice]

In re: Scott Drew's questionable methods

The main accusation against him have been negative recruiting and the hiring of John Wall's AAU coach. I don't want to be one to burst anyone's bubbles but I would have to say that is standard practice.

I know with my own experience being recruited just about every coach asked me what other schools I was considering. I won't get into specifics but just about every single coach wound up having multiple negative things to say about other programs. "That school doesn't graduate their athletes in 4 years." "This school will force you to redshirt." "This place runs their team in the ground and gets everyone injured." "That school recently had to suspend several members of their team for drug violations." Every statement the coaches made were 100% true (and one of the previous statements was also about our own school, I won't say which one). And this is about collegiate cross country, not basketball or football.

As far as the hiring of AAU coaches, didn't XU do the same with Book Richardson? Sure this practice is more than a bit shady, but hard to say it is uncommon.

The reality here is people are mad piddly little Baylor, the supposed doormat of the Big 12 is getting high quality recruits. Simple as that. I think it is laudatory that Scott Drew has been able to turn that program around based on what it was when he took over. How many other coaches would have been willing to step into that situation?

There is now a rule setup against this practice. Schools cannot accept a player if their AAU coach was hired in the last year.

Steele, Davis, and Richardson were all hired for their recruiting connections but XU didn't hire them to land one star recruit.

[More Cowbell]

The reality here is people are mad piddly little Baylor, the supposed doormat of the Big 12 is getting high quality recruits. Simple as that. I think it is laudatory that Scott Drew has been able to turn that program around based on what it was when he took over. How many other coaches would have been willing to step into that situation?

That's exactly right. Why would any top recruit choose Baylor? They have 6 total NCAA appearances and 6 total wins. The murder was not too long ago. Not to mention, they are in Waco. What is the appeal?

[BandAid]

That's exactly right. Why would any top recruit choose Baylor? They have 6 total NCAA appearances and 6 total wins. The murder was not too long ago. Not to mention, they are in Waco. What is the appeal?

The Baptist affiliation of the school? :confused:

[paulxu]

Not to mention, they are in Waco. What is the appeal?

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/180/924/5baylor1_display_image_display_image.jpg?131308133 8

[BandAid]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/180/924/5baylor1_display_image_display_image.jpg?131308133 8

Is it weird that is bothers me that they are all blondes?

[SlimKibbles]

Is it weird that is bothers me that they are all blondes?

Yes. Yes, it is. And you should continue to feel weird and be bothered by it.

[BandAid]

Yes. Yes, it is. And you should continue to feel weird and be bothered by it.

I'm just saying, throw in a brunette or redhead or somtin, ya know? I feel like its children of the corn or something.

[BandAid]

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7656/baylor18.jpg

There, I fixed my own problem

[UCGRAD4X]

Is it weird that is bothers me that they are all blondes?

It is likely that only one was born that way. So it's not really a genetic children of the corn thing but an environmental or cultural children who want to look like children of the corn like everybody else.

[BandAid]

It is likely that only one was born that way. So it's not really a genetic children of the corn thing but an environmental or cultural children who want to look like children of the corn like everybody else.

:eek: My head asploded

[MADXSTER]

It is likely that only one was born that way. So it's not really a genetic children of the corn thing but an environmental or cultural children who want to look like children of the corn like everybody else.

What did you do with Snipe??

[spazzrico]

Is it weird that is bothers me that they are all blondes?


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7656/baylor18.jpg

There, I fixed my own problem

Is it weird that All I can see is "BJ" on their unis?

[GIMMFD]

I don't know, I read the PJIII article, and I don't think PJIII received improper benefits..

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7630611/the-story-baylor-bears-star-perry-jones-iii-men-college-basketball

[GCoppinger]

Hey guys, Baylor student here and I just thought I could be of help on the whole Scott Drew thing (I will try and keep bias aside). Oh, but first, the scandal that occurred in '03, Carlton Dotson was an ex-teammate and not a teammate, and he also had/has a few issues in the head. Now the rest of the story is right and Bliss got too caught up in athletics and well you see what happened.

Now for the Drew stuff. There have only been two instances of bad taste recruiting by Drew. One was the flier in which he put himself, Bobby Knight, and Billy Gillispie and on the flier it said "Which one of these coaches has signed a McDAA and Knight and Gillispie were crossed out but not Drew. He also had another incident where he called out Kansas academics with Basketball players (And was proven wrong) so he apologized for that incident as well. The PJIII impermissible benefits was complete bullcrap by the NCAA and they and everyone else knows it, PJIII accepted a very tiny loan from his aau coach so he and his mom could pay for the rent of their house so they wouldn't be living in the streets and the loan was even payed back before he entered college, so that was complete crap and had nothing to do with Drew.

The hiring of Dwon Clifton was to bring in Wall sure and he is no longer on our staff but he wasn't fired, he left our staff to ride Wall's coattails in the NBA (good for him), so yea it wasn't real shady, it was of course to get the player (Basically every single coach does this) but Baylor was going to keep Dwon on the staff and not just toss him aside if we didn't get Wall (Which we obviously didn't).

The Hanner Perea texting incident. That was done by an assistant named Mark Morefield (Note: He was no longer with Baylor as of Jul 2011 after all the details of the incident had been found out). Now Mark Morefield was a good guy and Baylor and him were recruiting Hanner Perea hard and even got him citizenship in the US. Now after all that happened, Mark Adams who I believe was Indiana's AAU coach was directing him towards Indiana (I bet there is some negative recruiting there or illegal as well but I have no proof so I can not say anything on the matter, jmo of course). Morefield was hurt by this and sent some overzealous tweets to Perea's AAU coaches not Perea himself, and he couldn't actually deport the kid, he just got upset and texted stupid stuff LEGALLY and he was immediately suspended then let go by Baylor.

The "incident" with DJ Cooper from Ohio has now been retracted by DJ Cooper himself, his mom, and the entire Ohio University, so that is out the window.

Now, I myself doesn't think Drew recruits illegally, he just recruits like everyone else but harder and the Big XII coaches can't deal with it because Baylor is beating their butts now and they have to resort to these statements because they can't admit they lost. As far as I know, Rick Barnes is the only one who legitimately hates Drew (and he is a huge hypocrite btw) and that is because Drew has a nice winning streak against him and Ricky can't handle it so he does whatever he can to save his own skin. Bobby Knight doesn't like Drew just because Drew recruited Pat Knight while Drew was at Valpo, I think Bobby was butt-hurt over it but I think Bobby and Drew are starting to mend their relationship a bit.

Now here are other reasons "All the other Big XII coaches don't like Drew" and this is according to what Gottlieb has heard from Rick Barnes and Rick Barnes alone.

+ "Holier than thou attitude..."
+ "Pushes the limits regarding ethics..."
+ "Hides behind the Bible, the group prayers after games..."

Now I don't know about you, but those all sound like excuses to me. First off, Baylor is a baptist school and Drew is just a guy who outwardly expresses his faith. And while I know people can see him as a fake (People outside BU) using these things as reason you don't like Drew is just pathetic, and oh, with the prayer, he invites all the other teams he plays to come out in the middle of the court to pray with him and his team because I genuinely believe he cares for people and he knows Basketball is not the most important thing in the world. But the real reason Ricky no likey Drew imo is because he just loses to him and he can't stand it because Baylor was supposed to be a bottom dweller in the Big XII.

Now for recruiting, our recruiting is nowhere near as good as you say it is. We actually had our first top 10 class this year and the class with Perry was only a top 25 (#25) class, also he was our first 5-star. And this is discounting all the people who have transferred out of the program, or weren't even able to show up. So our recruiting is way worse than people make it out to be.

Just thought I would clear some of these things up, good luck to you guys tomorrow.

[X-band '01]

That's what happens when schools outside of the establishment make their mark in a conference like the Big X. It's like SMU in a sense that people just assume that a non-traditional power has to be either cheating or pushing the borders of what is considered ethical and unethical.

As Xavier fans will tell you (especially this year), better to be hated for being consistently successful than being loved because you're always a guaranteed win for somebody else.