Dayton loses to Rhode Island

[GIMMFD]

86-81, AT DAYTON. This conference is insane.

[XU 87]

And UC loses at Rutgers. A good day all around.

[Cheesehead]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

[Masterofreality]

St. Louis blows their load against us and loses today at UMess.

udump blows their load against us and loses two in a row- one at home to a 3-18 team.

Xavier is everyone's Super Bowl. No doubt.

[xu 89]

And UC loses at Rutgers. A good day all around.

trifecta

[toledodan]

caught the end on radio and listened to flyer feedback. good stuff! all they wanted to talk about is how they beat xavier. they said the team was a train wreck and we had nothing coming in next season. norn greavy and brooks hall needs to look at the recruiting class again. i believe its #14. we are dayton's super bowl no doubt. i think they would be happy if they lost every other game as long as they managed to beat xavier. very sad.:D

[Masterofreality]

Hey ToledoDan.

If you live in Overland Park, say hello to a guy that was my Golf team Captain my freshman year- Bill Lees. He's an Overland Park native and lives back there.

Tell him the kid from Nashville said hello.

[toledodan]

Hey ToledoDan.

If you live in Overland Park, say hello to a guy that was my Golf team Captain my freshman year- Bill Lees. He's an Overland Park native and lives back there.

Tell him the kid from Nashville said hello.


yep i'm in OP. live next to st. andrews golf corse. can't say i know him. if he lives in those half million dollar homes the next street over i may run in to him.:D

[paulxu]

we are dayton's super bowl no doubt. i think they would be happy if they lost every other game as long as they managed to beat xavier. very sad.:D

Truer words were never spoken.

[Masterofreality]

yep i'm in OP. live next to st. andrews golf corse. can't say i know him. if he lives in those half million dollar homes the next street over i may run in to him.:D

Actually, Bill lives in Leawood and belongs to Leawood South CC.

Close, but different cigar.

[toledodan]

Actually, Bill lives in Leawood and belongs to Leawood South CC.

Close, but different cigar.


leawood is very nice as well. you can't go wrong in southern johnson county. great golf and fine living.

[LA Muskie]

St. Louis blows their load against us and loses today at UMess.

udump blows their load against us and loses two in a row- one at home to a 3-18 team.

Xavier is everyone's Super Bowl. No doubt.

There are games when we lose on a team's best night when we may not be as up for it. In those instances I get the "it was their Super Bowl analogy". Not this year and not those games. First, those losses were both much more on us than the win was on them. Second, given the way the season has been shaking out, both of those games should have been as big (or bigger) for us than them.

[SlimKibbles]

There are games when we lose on a team's best night when we may not be as up for it. In those instances I get the "it was their Super Bowl analogy". Not this year and not those games. First, those losses were both much more on us than the win was on them. Second, given the way the season has been shaking out, both of those games should have been as big (or bigger) for us than them.

I disagree. If it wasn't, why do the ud people keep talking about it so much? The XU-ud game in Dayton is huge for them every year. I think SLU was locked-in for the game down here. Even Conklin said afterwards he thought this would be the year that they would beat X. That game on Wednesday took a lot out of them. Still, not an easy task for any team to try and win back-to-back road games in Cincinnati and Amherst this season (or really any season in Cincinnati).

[DC Muskie]

I can't believe they lost.

Also, I think we should have a poll for every game where people can pick the guy they think will shoot 80% from three point range and the over/under of how many he will make.

[XUOWNSUC]

Also, I think we should have a poll for every game where people can pick the guy they think will shoot 80% from three point range and the over/under of how many he will make.

Or how about FT percentage? Charlottle shoots 66% from the line this season yet they shot 20 of 23 for 87% against us. The St. Louis game was similar. So we could also have a poll for how many percentage points a team will shoot above their normal average against us.

[ford]

Or how about FT percentage? Charlottle shoots 66% from the line this season yet they shot 20 of 23 for 87% against us. The St. Louis game was similar. So we could also have a poll for how many percentage points a team will shoot above their normal average against us.

All comes down to confidence. Teams see that the lion has been nicked in the leg and think it can't chase them down.

[Masterofreality]

Or how about FT percentage? Charlottle shoots 66% from the line this season yet they shot 20 of 23 for 87% against us. The St. Louis game was similar. So we could also have a poll for how many percentage points a team will shoot above their normal average against us.

Even more.

Demario Mayfield has shot a sizzling 44% on Free Throws this year. Last night he was 6-8. That would be 75%.

Here we go with free throw percentage defense again..........

[xsteve1]

In X's last 5 games teams have made 92-110 against them. Hopefully the law of averages catches up with our opponents.

[GoMuskies]

It's amazing that the Kentuckys and Dukes and UNCs of the world ever manage to win a game what with being everyone's super bowl and taking everyone's best shot. Poor us.

[kyxu]

It's amazing that the Kentuckys and Dukes and UNCs of the world ever manage to win a game what with being everyone's super bowl and taking everyone's best shot. Poor us.

This.

[DC Muskie]

It's amazing that the Kentuckys and Dukes and UNCs of the world ever manage to win a game what with being everyone's super bowl and taking everyone's best shot. Poor us.

What happens when Duke and UNC play then? We are 34-6 in A-10 play I think for the past three years. I think we do pretty well in the Superbowl.

[XU 87]

After the Xavier game, Dayton's RPI was at 22. After their two losses, they are now at 63.

[Cheesehead]

I don't think Duke has won ACC 5 years in a row, same w/ Kentucky. I didn't look this up so I should have probably done that but I am feeling lazy today.

I think it's different w/ the A-10. When people think of A-10, they primarily think of Xavier because of our recent success. When I think of ACC, I think of about 5 different schools. Schools that are more of household names. Same w/ the SEC. Fact is, in the A-10, Xavier has been the team to beat for quite a long time and it's a lesser known (mid major, ouch) conference. So X is the top dog, so to speak and that is why X has become the A-10's Super Bowl. Teams clearly get up to play X.

[XU 87]

UC's RPI is at 100. Unless they go on a huge run, which is highly doubtful, they're in the NIT.

UC has some pretty good conference wins, and on the road. But the moral of the story- if you're going to load up your non-conference schedule with the likes of Presbyterian, at least win those games. And don't schedule 4 non-conference games against teams with RPI's in the 300's.

[XUOWNSUC]

After the Xavier game, Dayton's RPI was at 22. After their two losses, they are now at 63.

Wow. That's a big drop.

[XU 87]

Wow. That's a big drop.

I was just looking at realtime.rpi (which is not realtime since it's updated about 24 hours later). But before the Rhode Island game, they were at 36. So they dropped 27 spots as a result of this loss.

By the way, Xavier is now at 47.

[GIMMFD]

TOP 50! Hey!

They have to get used to it being every team's super bowl now though, they've seen teams are coming at them hard, that should motivate our boys to pick their game up. Now they handled it better in the past, but some games this year you just sit and think, what is going on? I'm really hoping we win out, even though that seems a little unrealistic, however, we must take each game one game at a time, and just knock em down, one by one.

[Juice]

UC's RPI is at 100. Unless they go on a huge run, which is highly doubtful, they're in the NIT.

UC has some pretty good conference wins, and on the road. But the moral of the story- if you're going to load up your non-conference schedule with the likes of Presbyterian, at least win those games. And don't schedule 4 non-conference games against teams with RPI's in the 300's.

Some of their big wins aren't looking as great. Georgetown lost yesterday to Pitt and UConn lost to ND.

What I don't understand is why Mick schedules teams that are that low. Instead of scheduling crap teams in the 300s, why not schedule teams that would be in the 200s? It's not as damaging to their SOS and they still can completely outclass them, except if you're Presbyterian.

[DC Muskie]

I don't think Duke has won ACC 5 years in a row, same w/ Kentucky. I didn't look this up so I should have probably done that but I am feeling lazy today....When I think of ACC, I think of about 5 different schools. Schools that are more of household names.

Just to let you know something about the ACC...

In the last 15 years, only one other school besides Duke or UNC has won their conference tournament. Duke has won the last three...from 1999-2003 they won 5 in a row.

Also, in those 15 years only three schools other than Duke and UNC have won the ACC regular season title.

Maryland is the only school to win an ACC tournament and regular season title in the ACC in the last 15 years.

I would love to dominate this conference tournament.

[Masterofreality]

What I don't understand is why Mick schedules teams that are that low.

Because, Mickey.........

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[X-band '01]

URI is the only team that is going to torpedo our RPI on the schedule - Dayton had the double whammy of a home loss to them.

Sure they lost big against Buffalo, but I think they're actually in the Top 100 of the RPI. While the Committee won't look down upon that, you can't hide the pile of shit they just laid on the middle of their floor.

[Masterofreality]

While the Committee won't look down upon that, you can't hide the pile of shit they just laid on the middle of their floor.

What's worse? Soiling your logo yourself, or the Great Pablo, Filthy Chilean and others stomping all over it?

[Blue Blooded-05]

What's worse? Soiling your logo yourself, or the Great Pablo, Filthy Chilean and others stomping all over it?

If you're talking about stomping on the Dayton logo after the 2004 A-10 Tournament Finals, you can add Blue Blooded-05 to this list!

[DoubleD86]

I disagree. If it wasn't, why do the ud people keep talking about it so much? The XU-ud game in Dayton is huge for them every year.

Does that mean UD is our Super Bowl, since this board and Xavier fans in general can't stop talking about Dayton?

Maybe all the talk is because they are a rival and, like us, they constantly compare themselves to Xavier.

I know I am instantly going to get multiple responses saying our sights are higher than UD and we don't compare ourselves to UD but they are all lies. We are ALWAYS looking at UD to see what they do. Any hint of anything and it fills up this message board.

One day we will lessen our Dayton obsession...

[SlimKibbles]

Does that mean UD is our Super Bowl, since this board and Xavier fans in general can't stop talking about Dayton?

Maybe all the talk is because they are a rival and, like us, they constantly compare themselves to Xavier.

I know I am instantly going to get multiple responses saying our sights are higher than UD and we don't compare ourselves to UD but they are all lies. We are ALWAYS looking at UD to see what they do. Any hint of anything and it fills up this message board.

One day we will lessen our Dayton obsession...

I think it's mostly that in bold. I know I've always thought of it as just a big rivalry in-conference. You'd be dumb to just ignore UD in the A-10. UC is a bigger rival though. That game is at least something X can hang their hat on if they win it during a down season, which hasn't happened many times over the last 25 years. I can't say the same about playing UD. Honestly, because the program has grown so much, I look more forward to the OOC games against the Purdue's, Vandy's, Gonzaga's, and Memphis' of the college b'ball world.

[DoubleD86]

I think it's mostly that in bold. I know I've always thought of it as just a big rivalry in-conference. You'd be dumb to just ignore UD in the A-10. UC is a bigger rival though. That game is at least something X can hang their hat on if they win it during a down season, which hasn't happened many times over the last 25 years. I can't say the same about playing UD. Honestly, because the program has grown so much, I look more forward to the OOC games against the Purdue's, Vandy's, Gonzaga's, and Memphis' of the college b'ball world.

Yet our fanbase talks about UD constantly. Certainly a lot more than Purdue, Vandy, and Memphis. This board has a huge hatred for Gonzaga and they still get a fraction of the attention that UD does.

More so, according to your string of posts UD talks about us constantly and cares about beating us so much that it proves we are their Super Bowl. You then readily admit that UC is a rival that even in a down season we can hang our hat on a win against UC. Does that mean UC is our Super Bowl?

My problem is this attempt to always denigrate others by claiming X is their Super Bowl. Using those terms, in that way, implies that they care more than we do because they are not worthy of caring about. It also implies a negative, almost pathetic connotation. UD is one of two HUGE rivals. We constantly discuss or take shots at Dayton. We turn threads that have absolutely nothing to do with Dayton into a potential for Dayton bashing. To deny how much our fan base cares about Dayton is just delusional.

[xubrew]

Whenever you're playing a team in the NCAA Tournament, it is that team's super bowl.

[coasterville95]

I think Super Bowl should refer to games that are either a) against a school much higher in the standings than other teams the school plays, particularly if they don't get to play schools like that very often or (i.e. Xavier before we came into our own) b) Your rival, particularly if the rivlary is uneven, and you're on the wrong side of the uneven. (i.e. Dayton playing at Cintas)

I guess games where both schools are highly rated could also be construed as Super Bowls, in a much closer to the original sense. However, the term "It's their Super Bowl" when it comes to college hoops is definitely derrogatory in nature.

Perhaps its C) Games that if you win just that game, you pat yourself on the back for a great season, no matter how badly the rest of the season went. or conversely games that if you lose, you consider the season a failure, no matter how great you did the rest of the season.

[xudash]

Yet our fanbase talks about UD constantly. Certainly a lot more than Purdue, Vandy, and Memphis. This board has a huge hatred for Gonzaga and they still get a fraction of the attention that UD does.

More so, according to your string of posts UD talks about us constantly and cares about beating us so much that it proves we are their Super Bowl. You then readily admit that UC is a rival that even in a down season we can hang our hat on a win against UC. Does that mean UC is our Super Bowl?

My problem is this attempt to always denigrate others by claiming X is their Super Bowl. Using those terms, in that way, implies that they care more than we do because they are not worthy of caring about. It also implies a negative, almost pathetic connotation. UD is one of two HUGE rivals. We constantly discuss or take shots at Dayton. We turn threads that have absolutely nothing to do with Dayton into a potential for Dayton bashing. To deny how much our fan base cares about Dayton is just delusional.

Talking about UD "constantly" has something to do with the fact that they're in our conference, so seasonal comparisons will take place, and that we play them twice per year.

Were UD not in our conference, but we played them annually, similar to our arrangement with UC, it would be considered a rivalry for historical reasons, but it would not enjoy the status of the Shootout.

Otherwise, it is a bit of a vicious circle isn't it? They're constantly yapping about us for two primary reasons: we truly have blown by them as a program - they're very much in our rear view mirror, notwithstanding the crowds they attract - and a losing streak the likes of which carries them back to the Carter administration would be maddening for any fan of a once more accomplished program.

UD is sitting 50'ish miles north of us, stunned that we've done what we've done over the last 30 years, especially given that we've done it through a number of coaching changes. On that note, consider that Archie is just like his brother; he has no interest in retiring in Dayton, Ohio. He may or may not be bringing them back, but that isn't their biggest issue if he brings them back sufficiently to receive an offer that he can't pass up. More upheaval. Another coaching search. Who knows what happens from there.

Xavier was stable and attractive enough by the time the Cintas Center doors opened, moving from Skip to Thad. UD Dump or no UD Arena, it's a program that has been missing on all cylinders for a long time now. I think UD is in a precarious position, because they'll have a lot to navigate through if Archie is successful, and they'll certainly have great amounts of angst if he isn't.

[LA Muskie]

Seems to me that the phrase "it was their SuperBowl" is an excuse used when a team loses to a team it shouldn't have lost to. It basically deflects the blame for the loss. I say we dump the term altogether. Suffer a bad loss that we shouldn't have? Take the lump, accept the responsibility, and move on.

[LadyMuskie]

Seems to me that the phrase "it was their SuperBowl" is an excuse used when a team loses to a team it shouldn't have lost to. It basically deflects the blame for the loss. I say we dump the term altogether. Suffer a bad loss that we shouldn't have? Take the lump, accept the responsibility, and move on.

I (surprising to some, I know) totally agree with this. I hate the phrase "it was their Superbowl" and the meaning behind it. I would be happy to have it go the way of the corded telephone and typewriters.

On another note, I think UD is a rival, but not so much in terms of on-court success in recent years because there is no rivalry there. I think the rivalry stems from proximity of the campus, similarity in the principles and missions of both universities, recruiting the same players, and fans who despise each other. I would liken it to the rivalry between the Steelers and the Bengals. The Bengals can only dream about the kind of success the Steelers have had, but the fan bases and teams loathe one another despite the Bengals being a very small threat to the Steelers on the field. I would rather watch a basketball game with a UC fan any day of the week than I would with a UD fan. UD fans are lacking in basic basketball knowledge, whereas UC fans are obnoxious because of an over-inflated sense of worth, but at least they understand the rules of the game and can be objective occasionally.

[LA Muskie]

I (surprising to some, I know) totally agree with this. I hate the phrase "it was their Superbowl" and the meaning behind it. I would be happy to have it go the way of the corded telephone and typewriters.
Hey! I think we actually agree on far more than we disagree about. In fact, with the exception of the event that need not be discussed further, I think I've agreed with just about all of your posts that i recall reading.

In any event, thanks.

[DoubleD86]

Talking about UD "constantly" has something to do with the fact that they're in our conference, so seasonal comparisons will take place, and that we play them twice per year.

Were UD not in our conference, but we played them annually, similar to our arrangement with UC, it would be considered a rivalry for historical reasons, but it would not enjoy the status of the Shootout.

Otherwise, it is a bit of a vicious circle isn't it? They're constantly yapping about us for two primary reasons: we truly have blown by them as a program - they're very much in our rear view mirror, notwithstanding the crowds they attract - and a losing streak the likes of which carries them back to the Carter administration would be maddening for any fan of a once more accomplished program.

UD is sitting 50'ish miles north of us, stunned that we've done what we've done over the last 30 years, especially given that we've done it through a number of coaching changes. On that note, consider that Archie is just like his brother; he has no interest in retiring in Dayton, Ohio. He may or may not be bringing them back, but that isn't their biggest issue if he brings them back sufficiently to receive an offer that he can't pass up. More upheaval. Another coaching search. Who knows what happens from there.

Xavier was stable and attractive enough by the time the Cintas Center doors opened, moving from Skip to Thad. UD Dump or no UD Arena, it's a program that has been missing on all cylinders for a long time now. I think UD is in a precarious position, because they'll have a lot to navigate through if Archie is successful, and they'll certainly have great amounts of angst if he isn't.

I understand the points you are making but be honest, the stuff with Dayton goes much deeper than that. Over half (according to a survey I made up for this post) of the posts about Dayton are not about comparing our seasons or the A-10. There are lots and lots of posts just taking shots at Dayton. Some are very funny, most are very forced, but they are there. All over the place.

I agree with LA and Lady, Super Bowl is a weak term meant to deflect responsibility. Very rarely is it true.

[SlimKibbles]

I understand the points you are making but be honest, the stuff with Dayton goes much deeper than that. Over half (according to a survey I made up for this post) of the posts about Dayton are not about comparing our seasons or the A-10. There are lots and lots of posts just taking shots at Dayton. Some are very funny, most are very forced, but they are there. All over the place.

I agree with LA and Lady, Super Bowl is a weak term meant to deflect responsibility. Very rarely is it true.

It is what UC people accused XU players, fans, and coaches of for many, many years. Whenever Huggy Bear lost a Shootout to X, "Well, we have bigger games to play. This was their Super Bowl." Of course, the diehard UC fans ran with that.

I re-read your last few posts and I do understand what you're saying. Maybe the shoe is on the other foot and the attitudes of many XU fans towards UD are the very same as UC fans during the Huggins years? Is that what you're kind of alluding to?

[jhelmes37]

It's pretty much the same as losing a game as a 5-year old and saying, "I wasn't really trying!"

It's a huge pussy move. Sorry 'bout the word.

[LadyMuskie]

It is what UC people accused XU players, fans, and coaches of for many, many years. Whenever Huggy Bear lost a Shootout to X, "Well, we have bigger games to play. This was their Super Bowl." Of course, the diehard UC fans ran with that.

I re-read your last few posts and I do understand what you're saying. Maybe the shoe is on the other foot and the attitudes of many XU fans towards UD are the very same as UC fans during the Huggins years? Is that what you're kind of alluding to?

I think that's where my hatred of the phrase comes from. If you know that that particular game is always the other team's "superbowl", then why not prepare for it so you have no excuses was always my thought when I heard UC fans say that. Just lose with grace and say "we blew it" or "the other team was just better than us today".

The thing with UD is that no one likes them. Other fan bases in the A10 (and coaches) despise them too. They're irritating, uninformed, excuse-making, sufferers of a massive inferiority complex. They don't like us because we win and they can't beat us (I used to dislike Temple for awhile for the same reason). The whole of the A10 (including us) doesn't like UD because there isn't anything to like about UD. They don't win, but if by some chance they do, they're obnoxious about it. When they lose they always have a grab bag of excuses as to why, most of which make absolutely no sense to anyone with half a brain (jet lag from Orlando anyone?). Their fan base is made up of two groups: superior blow-hards who don't really know anything but think they do and hillbillies from the surrounding areas who didn't actually attend the school, but have run out of tractor pulls to attend. When you're dealing with people like this, it really isn't necessary to come up with more reasons to dislike them.

[kyxu]

Xavier fans (at least the ones on this board) should just come to grips with reality: we're obsessed with UD just as they are of us.

But as insufferable as UD's fanbase is, so are the watermelon jokes. Jesus, can we ever declare a moratorium on those?

[DoubleD86]

It is what UC people accused XU players, fans, and coaches of for many, many years. Whenever Huggy Bear lost a Shootout to X, "Well, we have bigger games to play. This was their Super Bowl." Of course, the diehard UC fans ran with that.

I re-read your last few posts and I do understand what you're saying. Maybe the shoe is on the other foot and the attitudes of many XU fans towards UD are the very same as UC fans during the Huggins years? Is that what you're kind of alluding to?

No, I mostly just get annoyed by the hypocrisy of this board going on and on and on and on and on about Dayton, then claiming we don't care about Dayton and they aren't that big of a rival.

The Super Bowl comment is in general. As someone above said it's akin to the "well, I wasn't trying defense." It is a weak cop out, deflecting reason to accept loss. Thus I dislike it.

[991 Dana]

Xavier fans (at least the ones on this board) should just come to grips with reality: we're obsessed with UD just as they are of us.

But as insufferable as UD's fanbase is, so are the watermelon jokes. Jesus, can we ever declare a moratorium on those?

One can only hope. Can we add using the term 'urine dump' to that moratorium? At least some of the watermelon jokes/references at the onset were creative; urine dump is just dumb.

[XU 87]

Didn't "Urine Dump" originate when the arena had a backup in its sanitary sewer system? I thought it was sort of clever at the time.

[GoMuskies]

But as insufferable as UD's fanbase is, so are the watermelon jokes. Jesus, can we ever declare a moratorium on those?

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[X-band '01]

Didn't "Urine Dump" originate when the arena had a backup in its sanitary sewer system? I thought it was sort of clever at the time.

Either that or occasional flooding from the Great Miami River. They did build UD Arena in a floodplain.