A10 Standings (Bracket Watch)

[coasterville95]

UPDATED for Week 8.5 - Data through 2/29 games.

WARNING: ONE MORE GAME in Conference Season!!! --- Home Stretch!

Note - order differs from that given on the a10 standings page, it has been modified with some TB info. First its H2H, after H2H is resloved it gets pretty wild with best record against teams of the same rank, best record against common opponent, etc. I think the last step actually gets to flipping a coin!


1. Temple (12-3) (23-6)
2. St. Louis (11-4) (23-6)
3. St. Bona (10-5) (17-10)
4. Xavier (9-6) (18-11)
5. St. Joes (9-7) (19-12)
6. Dayton (8-7) (18-11) W-UMASS, W-LAS (2-0)
7. LaSalle (8-7) (19-11) W-MASS x2 , L-DAY (2-1)
8. UMass (8-7) (19-10) L-DAYTON, L-LAS x2 (0-2)
9. Duquesne (7-8) (16-13)
10. Richmond (7-9) (16-15)
11. Charlotte (5-10) (13-14) L-GW W-GW (1-1) (1-0 vs #5 STJ - highest common opponent where record differs)
12. GW (5-10) (10-18) W-CHAR L-CHAR(1-1) (0-1 vs #5 ST - highest common opponent where record differs)
13. Rhode Island (4-11) (6-23) L-FORD
14. Fordham (3-12) (10-17) W-RI


Tourney Bracket
Note: Seeds 1-4 get BYE in first round.
1st Round: At higher seed
2-4 Rounds: Boardwalk Hall (of Horrors) - Atlantic City, NJ
13 and 14 seeds do NOT play in tournament

1st Round: @ Higher Seed Team - Tuesday March 6
Game 1 #9 Duquesne AT #8 UMass
Game 2 #12 GW AT #5 StJoe
Game 3: #10 Richmond AT #7 LaSalle
Game 4: #11 Charlotte AT #6 Dayton

2nd Round Friday March 9 - Boardwalk Hall
Game 5: #1 Temple vs. W Game 1 (UMass/Duquesne)
Game 6: #4 Xavier Vs. W Game 2 (GW/StJoe)
Game 7: #2 St Louis Vs. W Game 3 (Richmond/LaSalle)
Game 8: #3 St Bona Vs. W Game 4 (Charlotte/Dayton)

3rd Round Saturday March 10 - Boardwalk Hall
Game 9: W G5 (Temple/UMass/Duquesne) Vs. W G6 (Xavier/GW/StJoe)
Game 10: W G7 (St Louis/Richmond/LaSalle) Vs. W. G8 (St Bona/Charlotte/Dayton)

4th Round Sunday March 11 - Boardwalk Hall
Game 11: W G9 vs. WG 10

Sitting at home sulking:
#13 Rhode Island vs. #14 Fordham

[coasterville95]

Bumped with Week 2 - I'll probably do this update weekly until we are about 12 games in, or when thing start getting exciting in the A10. Then I'll update after every major playing day.

Thing are already starting to improve, we moved from 7 to 3 this week. Still have to get Dayton to suffer. With no tie breakers yet, they have the better overall record. I'm still surprised to see Temple so low, what happened to them?

And we have a new cellar dweller in Rhode Island.

[coasterville95]

Shameless bump for Week 4

[Cincypunk.org]

Thanks for doing this. I enjoy checking it out each week. Reps!

[DC Muskie]

Thanks for this.

I think it is really important for us to get that first round bye for the tournament.

[X-band '01]

Thanks for this.

I think it is really important for us to get that first round bye for the tournament.

Ever since the tournament went to Tuesday 1st-round games and quarterfinals on Friday, I'm not so sure it would be that bad. I just don't want to see the melon rapists (naughty, naughty) in the quarters again.

[coasterville95]

Seeds 5-8 would get us first round game at Cintas. While not ideal, I like our chances at Cintas. 9-12 start on the road. A road trip could spell trouble for this squad.

[SixFig]

Seeds 5-8 would get us first round game at Cintas. While not ideal, I like our chances at Cintas. 9-12 start on the road. A road trip could spell trouble for this squad.

Are we seriously talking about finishing 9th already? Dang people

[coasterville95]

No, I was just repeating how Tuesday works.

There is doubt we will end up in the top 4, which is strange to us. But I don't think we'd fall as far as nine.

[drudy23]

We are we not assuming we'll win this league?

Pretty sure we get the benefit of the doubt....PS, we're only a half game out of first place.

[coasterville95]

Yes, we can still win the A10, and I expect us to make a good run for it, but we don't control our own fate at the moment. We may get to that point again, maybe even as soon as Wednesday night, but for right now, we don't. The best we can finish up is 13-3. There are 4 teams out there with only two losses. Now is we win out and get 13-3, then UMass and Temple will each have to suffer 1 loss to also be able to fare no better than 13-3. St. Bona and Lasalle are already in the past, so we can't hamper them any further. We need each of those two schools to lose at least one more game.

We may be #5 as of today, but we can still make noise and make a run for the top slot.

[drudy23]

Yes, we can still win the A10, and I expect us to make a good run for it, but we don't control our own fate at the moment. We may get to that point again, maybe even as soon as Wednesday night, but for right now, we don't. The best we can finish up is 13-3. There are 4 teams out there with only two losses. Now is we win out and get 13-3, then UMass and Temple will each have to suffer 1 loss to also be able to fare no better than 13-3. St. Bona and Lasalle are already in the past, so we can't hamper them any further. We need each of those two schools to lose at least one more game.

We may be #5 as of today, but we can still make noise and make a run for the top slot.

We're not going to win out...too many tough road games left.

[coasterville95]

Well, we need to either figure out how to get some road wins (@Temple,@UMass,@STL) and hold serve at home (Rhody, Dayton, Richmond, Charlotte) and get the A10 regular season title, or win the A10 Tourney.

Current projected tourney path: Richmond (@ Cintas), then St Louis, Temple. UMass) AKA the same teams we need to figure out how to beat on the road.

[X-band '01]

At least there's no Dayton in that path right now.

Temple is a team that they'll have to beat at least once on the road - AC is more or less a 2nd home to Temple come March. Xavier is long overdue to beat the Owls in the A-10 Tournament, but they're going to have to figure them out at some point this year to at least sniff an at-large.

[GIMMFD]

I wouldn't be completely shocked if we won out. We're gonna have to win some huge games on the road, and even though our road record isn't looking too pretty, I think we have the pieces if we get our head in the right mentality. It's all about taking it one game at a time however.

[bleedXblue]

I wouldn't be completely shocked if we won out. We're gonna have to win some huge games on the road, and even though our road record isn't looking too pretty, I think we have the pieces if we get our head in the right mentality. It's all about taking it one game at a time however.

My guess is that the Temple and St. Louis games will be close at the end. I have no confidence in our teams ability to win those games.

[coasterville95]

Looking better through Week 6:

SInce we now figure we need the A10 Tournamnet - current most likely path being BYE - St. Bona - Temple - St Louis

Looks like we get to the semi's just like normal. Hope its enough.

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We are no longer in control of our own fate. If we win out, Temple needs to lose 2 more to share, lose 3 more to take outright. For every additional loss we incurr, add one to each of those. Temple has 6 left.

But this crazy league is so wide open, Rhody could win all its remaining games, and go 7-9. We could lose all our remaining games and also be 7-9.

[GoMuskies]

I think we'll have as good a shot as anyone at cutting down the nets in AC. Hate that we'll need it, though.

[drudy23]

AC or bust...what would really suck if we win the A-10 tourney, but then have to play one of the 12/12 play-in games.

Or can only at-large selections play in those games?

[GoMuskies]

AC or bust...what would really suck if we win the A-10 tourney, but then have to play one of the 12/12 play-in games.

Or can only at-large selections play in those games?

Dayton is only for at-larges and really bad 16 seeds.

[SM#24]

I just don't want to see the melon rapists (naughty, naughty) in the quarters again.
Don't think that will happen and we only have ourselves to blame since Dayton is settling in to their traditional 8/9 seed slot.

[waggy]

The Bonnies have made quite a move since this was last updated.

[Snipe]

That was one wild day in the A-10. SLU went down to Rhody. Beat them next game and we are tied for 2nd. It is winning time.

[X-band '01]

The worst-case scenario for Xavier at this point would be Dayton finishing 4th and Xavier finishing 5th. The Flyers would own a tiebreaker by virtue of their win at Temple. With UD finishing at Richmond and at home against GW, they could very well finish 10-6.

I don't think UMass will get a bye as they finish at Temple and at home against a dangerous URI team.

The Bonnies will host Saint Joe's in a letdown game for the Hawks and finish at La Salle.

Should Xavier, Dayton and St. Bonaventure finish in a 3-way tie, that favors Xavier as they went 2-1 against both teams; Bonnies went 1-1 and UD went 1-2.

[xavierj]

The worst-case scenario for Xavier at this point would be Dayton finishing 4th and Xavier finishing 5th. The Flyers would own a tiebreaker by virtue of their win at Temple. With UD finishing at Richmond and at home against GW, they could very well finish 10-6.

I don't think UMass will get a bye as they finish at Temple and at home against a dangerous URI team.

The Bonnies will host Saint Joe's in a letdown game for the Hawks and finish at La Salle.

Should Xavier, Dayton and St. Bonaventure finish in a 3-way tie, that favors Xavier as they went 2-1 against both teams; Bonnies went 1-1 and UD went 1-2.

To be honest Xavier getting the 5 seed would not be all that bad. They would get an extra game at cintas and likely another win. Which they need as many wins as they can get. The bye has not exactly worked wonders for them in the past.

[X-band '01]

Richmond, GW, or Charlotte would be a 1st-round opponent if Xavier falls to the 5 seed. As we saw last night, you can't just chalk that game up as a given.

Beat Saint Louis and they all but clinch a bye.

[xavierj]

To be honest it would be in Xavier's best interest to be the 2, 3 or 6 seed. I don't really want them in the Dayton and temple side of the bracket.

[waggy]

To be honest Xavier getting the 5 seed would not be all that bad. They would get an extra game at cintas and likely another win. Which they need as many wins as they can get. The bye has not exactly worked wonders for them in the past.

This is true. As a 4 seed they are likely to draw a team they've already lost to.

St. Joe's at St. Bonaventure is a huge game for both teams, but if the Hawks can win that, they will be in a lot pundit projections for an at-large.

[coasterville95]

WOW - Yesterday was wild and crazy in the A10. Totally redid the brackets. Right now if my figurer is figuring correctly, this is setting us up for our annual quarterfinal match with Dayton. (Dayton gets a Charlotte appetizer at UD Arena), survive that and its likely UMass or St Louis, then Temple. Oh, Great.

[xudash]

This is true. As a 4 seed they are likely to draw a team they've already lost to.

St. Joe's at St. Bonaventure is a huge game for both teams, but if the Hawks can win that, they will be in a lot pundit projections for an at-large.

They made it into ESPN's Last Four In graphic last night.

[GoMuskies]

To be honest it would be in Xavier's best interest to be the 2, 3 or 6 seed. I don't really want them in the Dayton and temple side of the bracket.

Better be 2 or 3 then. 6 is kind of a disaster.

[UCGRAD4X]

I think the bye will benefit them this year, unlike in the past. They could use the extra win on their record to make (almost) sure they get over 20, but they need energy to play defense consistently for 40 minutes and the extra rest will help them keep the pressure on against a team that did not benefit from that rest.

[GoMuskies]

If we don't get a bye, there's almost no chance of getting an at-large bid, so I don't think the extra win helps much.

[GIMMFD]

A two or three seed would be ideal, hopefully they can lock up a huge victory against SLU on Tuesday, if they grab that, and take care of Charlotte, I could see them maybe picking up a little heat in the tournament.

[coasterville95]

This is how wide open this conference still is:

To Claim a share of Frist Place (yes, first is STILL on the table) - We have to win both games, and Temple needs to lose both games. Yeah, it's not likely, but as the saying goes "So your telling me we have a chance" (Talking first outright is off the table, as Temple has the Tie Breaker.)

To Take Second Place outright: We need to win both games, which means St Louis will lose the game to us, St Louis needs to lose the other game as well. (We would be tied after Tuesday, then us winning and them losing on Saturday would give us the go ahead) - May also need St. Bona to lose a game.

To Share Second: We need to win on Tuesday to force the tie between us and St Louis, then we need to win on Saturday, and St Louis wins on Saturday, then we would be tied with them, and we would see how the tie breakers shake out. (If both SLU and XU lose Saturday, we could still talk about a tie for second, buit then the other schools may jump ahead while we are messing around)

I think the key is WIN TUESDAY!!!! Yeah, that wasn't obvious was it. And like winning is ever a bad thing. We lose Tuesday, then 1st and 2nd are completely off the table. And depending on how the Saints do (Joseph and Bonnie) we could end up with a first round game at Cintas. We also need a recent quality road win to impress the commitee should we need an at large.

Losing both, is of course, disaster. And then we will have to see if Supporting Members get psychological counseling.

I think we can finish no worse than 8th. And that would require complete and utter collapse, and the other schools suddenly playing great ball.

On the other end of the scale - if Fordham and Rhode Island win both of their remaining games And Charlotte and GW lose both remaing games, there will be a 4 way tie for last. Only 2 go to the tournament.

[drudy23]

I'd be shocked if we see SLU vs Temple in the Finals...this tourney is wide open.

[SM#24]

On the other end of the scale - if Fordham and Rhode Island win both of their remaining games And Charlotte and GW lose both remaing games, there will be a 4 way tie for last. Only 2 go to the tournament.

Fordham & RI play each other tonight, so the loser is definitely out.

[coasterville95]

I was going to wait till tonight to update. There is just so much that can happen tonight that I thought it best to wait till tonight, around 9:30 so I could update this intelligently.

But yeah Fordham and Rhody play tonight in the "Who gives a Ram's Butt Classic"

So that will ice one of the dreaded slots.

Also I mentioned how the Saints do tonight was important, now I see the two play each other so somebody's got to win, somebody's got to lose.

I think we need to root for the Hawk, just so St Bona can't get to 11 wins. (The most we can get to now is 10) Yes, it's spiteful and mean, but that's sports. If we get one big cluster of a tie, I like our odds in the Tie Break with the likes of St Joe and St Bona. I think UMass and Dayton could also win out and then there could be like 5 of us in a 10-6 logjam for third. With two BYE's on the line. My head hurts just thinking about it. Tonight could provide some much needed clarity.

If St Bona wins out they could get to 11 wins, and ice third place all alone. St Joe would fall to 9-7, and if we win Saturday, would put them under us. Thus we would be in the logjam with UMass and Dayton. We are 1-2 on that score. Dayton may be 3-0 so they could nab 4th, and we'd be stuck at Cintas on March 6.

In either scenario, we lose Saturday, and its Cintas on March 6 for almost certain.

Sorry St. Bona - but you have to lose tongiht, that's just business.

[XU-XHI]

Here's to hoping for the perfect night:

Dayton @ Richmond. Go Richmond giving Dayton 7 losses.

UMass @ Temple. Go Temple giving UMass 7 loses.

St. Joes @ Bonnies. Go Hawks giving both 6 losses & X has won the head to head vs. both.

If the above happens and X wins on Saturday, this should equate to the 3 seed. All the above scenarios are very possible.

If Richmond, Temple & the Bonnies win and X wins on Saturday, we get the 4 seed.

The first two games listed are key.

Now it is time for the BBall to bounce our way.

[coasterville95]

Halftime report:

Hawks over Bonnie's 39-38
UMass over Temple 37-32
Richmond over Flyers 36-30
Rhody over Ford 35-21
laSuck over GW 29-23 1:03 1st
dukes over 49ers - 21-14 8:32 1st

Some other team 42 Marquette 26 half

[coasterville95]

Richmond takes Dayton for us

Both St Joe/St Bona and Temple/UMass are in OT.

StJ/StB are now in Double OT

Rhody killed Fordham
LaSuck took GW
Dukes leading Charlotte with 3 minutes left

Update - St Bona wins in OT. Boo Hiss!

33 seconds left in OT - UMass and Temple tied. I can't overstate how bad we need the Owls to win!

And Temple holds on to win by 2

I'll start updating the board on post 1

[XUOWNSUC]

Bonnies are gonna pull it out. They had Duquesne, URI, & Fordham twice this season - must be nice. Gonna have to root for LaSuck next week.

If umess wins, they will for sure be 10-6 (they got URI this weekend). We really need Temple to win tonight. Temple blows. If Temple can win, X will be a 4 seed at worst with a win versus Charlotte on Saturday.

Thank you Richmond!

[flatspat]

Temple wins in OT

[XUOWNSUC]

And Temple pulls it out.

Win this Saturday (v. Charlotte) + Bonnies loss on Saturday (@ LaSuck) = 3 seed

Win + Bonnies win = 4 seed

Lose = who knows? who will care?

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

And Temple pulls it out.

Win this Saturday (v. Charlotte) + Bonnies loss on Saturday (@ LaSuck) = 3 seed

Win + Bonnies win = 4 seed

Lose = who knows? who will care?

So win and X gets a bye regardless?

[xavierj]

And Temple pulls it out.

Win this Saturday (v. Charlotte) + Bonnies loss on Saturday (@ LaSuck) = 3 seed

Win + Bonnies win = 4 seed

Lose = who knows? who will care?

The 3 seed would be more than ideal.

[THRILLHOUSE]

*delete*

[XUOWNSUC]

So win and X gets a bye regardless?

Yep.

[gladdenguy]

It is amazing that we are excited for the 3 or 4 seed

[xsteve1]

Richmond, Temple and St Bona win.

For this weekend: X win and St Bona win - X is the 4 seed. X win and LaSalle beats St Bona - X is 3 seed.

So does it look like we'll play UD in AC in the quarters? It sure seems like it's shaping up that way.

[flatspat]

Who is line for the 5th seed? If X is a 4,they play the winner of 5 v. 12 on Friday then probably Temple on Saturday.

[flatspat]

Do not like our chances v. UD if it turns out that way.

[waggy]

X can handle the humpers.

[coasterville95]

Yes, a win on Saturday gives us 10 wins. Temple, St Louis, St Bona, and Xavier would be the only teams that could get to 10. So a win on Saturday gaurantees us a BYE in the first round, 3rd or 4th seed based on what St Bona does on Saturday. St Bona has LaSalle, so I don't want to call that one right now. Game is at 2.

Lose on Saturday (heaven forbid) Then we could end up in a huge logjam with all or part of St Joe, UMass, LaSuck, and Dayton. Our record in that pool would be 2-3. And only 1 bye available.

That swirling logjam means the 1st round pairings are still a total crap shoot for the 5-8 seeds (who gets who)

[X-band '01]

If Xavier finishes in the 4-hole, their most likely opponent in the quarters would be St. Joe's. The Hawks finished 9-7 in conference play. UMass, Dayton and La Salle are all 8-7 in conference play, but the Hawks own tiebreakers over all 3 teams and would win a 3 or 4-way tiebreaker with the teams above.

If Xavier finishes in the 3-hole (which means La Salle finishes 9-7 no matter what), then Dayton becomes the 6 seed assuming UMass beats URI and Dayton beats GW. Against all 9-7 teams, Dayton would be 2-1, La Salle would be 2-2 and UMass would be 1-4.

Xavier's best case scenario would be to win and hope the Bonnies manage a win at La Salle (possible but not likely).

Should Xavier lose and fall into a 5-way tie for 4th, here's how that tie would be broken:

UD: 3-2, 1-0 v. Temple
SJU: 3-2 group, 1-1 v. Temple
La Salle: 3-2, 0-2 v. Temple
Xavier: 2-3
UMass: 2-4

Xavier's worst-case scenario would be a 7-seed.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier's best case scenario would be to win and hope the Bonnies manage a win at La Salle (possible but not likely).



How do you figure? We want the three seed, so a LaSalle win is better. Why on earth would we want SJU 50 miles from Philly instead of little brother?

[msj61]

updated (possible) bracket:

1) Temple (13-3)
2) SLU (12-4)
3) X (10-6)
4) Bonnies (10-6)
5) St. Joes (9-7 / 3-1 against the other 9-7 teams)
6) Dayton (9-7 / 2-1)
7) La Salle (9-7 / 2-2)
8) UMASS (9-7 / 1-4)
9) Dukes (7-9)
10) Richmond (7-9)
11) Charlotte (5-11)
12) GW (5-11)

So the tourney would go like this:

Round 1
Game 1: Dukes @ UMASS
Game 2: GW @ St. Joes
Game 3: Charlotte @ Dayton
Game 4: Richmond @ La Salle

Round 2
Game 5: Winner of Game 1 (Dukes/UMass) v Temple
Game 6: Winner of Game 2 (GW/St. Joes) v Bonnies
Game 7: Winner of Game 3 (Charlotte/Dayton) v XU
Game 8: Winner of Game 4 (Richmond/La Salle) v SLU

Round 3
Game 9: Winner of Game 5 v Winner of Game 6 (possibly SJU/Bonnies v Temple)
Game 10: Winner of Game 7 v Winner of Game 8 (possibly XU/Dayton v SLU?)

Championship
Game 11: Winner of Game 9 v Winner of Game 10 (possibly XU v Temple)

[kyxu]

How do you figure? We want the three seed, so a LaSalle win is better. Why on earth would we want SJU 50 miles from Philly instead of little brother?

I don't care what seed we get, but I don't want any part of Dayton. Playing them adds to the emotional baggage already heaped on this team, which it obviously can't handle.

[GoMuskies]

St. Joe's is better than Dayton and 50 miles away. I'd much rather play Dayton than SJU. Plus, I'd much rather get SLU in the semis and avoid Temple as long as possible.

[Snipe]

St. Joe's is better than Dayton and 50 miles away. I'd much rather play Dayton than SJU. Plus, I'd much rather get SLU in the semis and avoid Temple as long as possible.

One could argue though that it would be tough to string three wins together for this team, but two is doable. And if one of those two is Temple and we reach the A-10 final that may be enough.

I share your thoughts though, I would want to be a three seed and play Dayton and be on the opposite side of Temple, who we have never beaten in the A-10 Tournament.

[drudy23]

This tourney isn't going to follow the seed lines....it's wide open.

[X-band '01]

St. Joe's is better than Dayton and 50 miles away. I'd much rather play Dayton than SJU. Plus, I'd much rather get SLU in the semis and avoid Temple as long as possible.

Saint Joe's is schizo. They are more than capable of beating Xavier in Atlantic City, but they're also capable of wetting the bed at home (they did lose to Richmond and Charlotte at home earlier this year). GW would also love to pay back the Hawks for their loss in the A-10 opening round last year should the opportunity arise.

[GoMuskies]

Saint Joe's is schizo.

More schizo than Dayton, who celebrated their win over us by losing at home to Rhody?

[kyxu]

More schizo than Dayton, who celebrated their win over us by losing at home to Rhody?

For me and my defeatist attitude, I guess it all comes down to which team I'd rather lose to. That would be St. Joe's.

[coasterville95]

The Hawk is friendlier than Flyer. The Hawk waves at you the whole game

I wonder how the Hawk held up in double overtime.


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[vee4xu]

The Hawk is friendlier than Flyer. The Hawk waves at you the whole game

I wonder how the Hawk held up in double overtime.


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I was at the triple OT game at Schmidt when X almost lost to SJU and they only had four eligible players on the floor during the final OT. That poor bird was flapping those wings for about 3 full hours. I just sat back, drank beer and wondered how the hell he/she did it.