Gonzaga fans not happy with length of X suspensions

[golfitup]

At least on this board anyways...

http://www.guboards.com/showthread.php?t=37039

My personal favorites were comparing Saturday to the events at penn state and fearing for their players' safety to the point of thinking state troopers should be at their bench.

[GoMuskies]

Now that's some serious overreaction.

[LadyMuskie]

State Troopers! That's classic. Really. Maybe they should give all of their players panic buttons too in case an X player gets too close and the poor wittle defenseless Gonzaga player gets scared.

If you don't want to play us, there's a word for that. It's called - forfeit. We'll take it. A win is a win.

[GuyFawkes38]

I feel like everyone is losing their minds. I just can't understand why so many college basketball fans are freaking out about the events last weekend.

I keep on coming back to the same word, race.

[waggy]

They don't understand the rivalry. Let me help for those in the unknown: It's not so much a rivalry as a blood feud.

[Blueblob4life]

I feel like everyone is losing their minds. I just can't understand why so many college basketball fans are freaking out about the events last weekend.

I keep on coming back to the same word, race.

Sadly I agree with you, Guy. I don't want to, but if a fellow Jesuit school's fans can't understand that while it was a bad moment, it doesn't represent the University or our fan base as a whole. It's dancing around the race issue without being too overt.

I just want this to be done.

[stophorseabuse]

Its really tricky to come out and say it due to how you will get jumped on, but this thing is so race driven it is scary.

[STL_XUfan]

Adam Morrison never trash talked...........

[Tu 4 MVP]

I love how they think all the schools that have Xavier scheduled this year should call Bobo and inform him that their not going to play because their worried we might physically beat them up.

Heres one Quote on that:
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Perhaps Gonzaga University should respectfully inform both Xavier and the NCAA that they are removing that game from this seasons schedule. There is too much danger to OUR student athletes to allow them to participate.
Seems that the the Zags might be given a forfeit, but the ensuing outcry from the media and other coaches at other schools would hopefully cause that to be reversed.
When X was scheduled, it was with the understanding that it was for a basketball game. I, for one, having listened to the press conference afterward, don't believe that the Xavier players are capable of self restraint.

[Ledgewood]

I mean... I'm not sure I have words for all this.... They're either making jokes or they're just really, really, really stupid.

[XU-07]

I understand their logic. Adam Morision never talked trash or called some on X's team the "N" word. :confused:


Does this make all Zags racist? Did Few punish him? Should he? discuss.

[LadyMuskie]

Its really tricky to come out and say it due to how you will get jumped on, but this thing is so race driven it is scary.

I agree. And it makes me sad. Very sad. If Brad Redford had sat there Saturday afternoon and talked about his gangstas in the locker room, no one has a problem (unless maybe Brad sounds like Eminem, I guess.) It breaks my heart, and I think my response to it is to use zip em up and gangsta myself (even if I start humming "Damn It Feels Good to be a Gangsta" and envision Xavier fans kicking the crap out of a fax machine). I'm going to use it to show others that you can say it and not mean that you're a member of NWA and you want to F the cops. I'm taking ownership of it!

People are afraid of that which they do not understand, and many people don't understand because they don't want to take the time to understand.

[LadyMuskie]

I understand their logic. Adam Morision never talked trash or called some on X's team the "N" word. :confused:


Does this make all Zags racist? Did Few punish him? Should he? discuss.

I had forgotten about that, but now it sounds like Morrison used it because that's the culture he was in at the time. One of ignorance and intolerance.

[coasterville95]

Get ready for it all season. Fans will be using this against us.

If Gonzaga really wants police officers at their bench, I think we can accommodate them.

I'll agree with serious overreaction until teams fail to show up at Cintas, or schools tell us to stay away. Or we can't put together a schedule

Which A 10 team tried to get their game at St Bonaventure moved for "player safety concerns" ?

[PMI]

Of course Gonzaga fans aren't happy with the suspensions. They have to play us when we're back to full strength. I wouldn't be happy either. Those pussies know what's coming in a couple weeks, and understandably want no part of it.

[X-Fan]

Good grief. It is ridiculous how "holier than thou" many are getting over this incident. It's hard for me to put myself in the position of a fan that doesn't cheer for XU, but I'd like to think I would be some what level headed about it. These posters talk about suspensions that have been given to Zag players in the past. Guess what, X once suspended two of their best players for a 1st Round NCAA game.

I don't know much about Zag fans, but you'd think with the similar paths of our schools, they would give X the benefit of the doubt. This goes back to the insightful and intuitive article on tenth year seniors (http://tenthyearseniors.com/2011/12/14/aftermath-of-the-brawl/)...why wouldn't a Zags fan give X the benefit of the doubt? There should be no animosity between the schools (for the most part). However, just like everyone else, they are so far above this. Just makes me shake my head.

Is it me, or if a fight happened in the Duke/UNC game everyone would say "Well, it's very heated. Their emotions got out of control." Of course, both schools would be smart enough to not let their two best players come off SO BAD the post game Press Conference. Man, I fear that Press Conference will haunt X forever.

[MCXU]

UD Pride or should I say White Pride is showing their true colors.

My younger brother went to UD (really high fever when he was an infant) and the few times I went there to visit I was always shocked by the blatant racism and racist statements that were flying out of the mouths of the students and fans up there.

Currently they have like 25 threads condemning Tu Holloway and 1 talking about the sexual assault at Syracuse.

Here is what the average UD fan sees.

Tu Holloway = Scary Black Man.

Jerry Fine = White Guy who is being unfairly accused.

I seriously think the A-10 should consider throwing them out of the league. I would prefer to be in a league without a member institution that allows that kind of attitude to run rampant through the university community.

SHAME ON UD AND THEIR WATERMELON DEFILING RACIST FANS.

Swampy Meadows probably lives in a whites only trailer park.

[STL_XUfan]

State Troopers! That's classic.

They are requesting Ohio State Troopers to guard their bench? Are they sure they are experienced enough to handle this type of game? Maybe we should consult with the Big East officials and see if they would lend us some of their more experienced troopers to really make sure the Zags are safe.

[JAX 3758]

Honestly, they understand how difficult it is going to be to beat us at Cintas at full strength. As a Gonzaga fan, their first thought when they saw the brawl and possibility of suspensions was "I wonder if any of them will be out when we play them." As a fan of a team on Xavier's schedule, that would be one of the first things I would have thought of. IMO, Once they saw the suspensions, they were mad more about this fact then anything else.

They use the whole "security" excuse to cover up the fact they now know that they will probably lose their most important OOC game

[XU05and07]

Get ready for it all season. Fans will be using this against us.

If Gonzaga really wants police officers at their bench, I think we can accommodate them.

I'll agree with serious overreaction until teams fail to show up at Cintas, or schools tell us to stay away. Or we can't put together a schedule

Which A 10 team tried to get their game at St Bonaventure moved for "player safety concerns" ?

We can have the state troopers search their bags for the mushrooms that Heytvelt and Davis left behind.

[LadyMuskie]

They are requesting Ohio State Troopers to guard their bench? Are they sure they are experienced enough to handle this type of game? Maybe we should consult with the Big East officials and see if they would lend us some of their more experienced troopers to really make sure the Zags are safe.

I really feel like Gonzaga's best move is to contact Mick Cronin, since he saw Saturday's fight coming all along, and then he can help them coordinate their security strategy. Maybe if Gates and Mbonj are free on New Years Eve, they can help out with Gonzaga's security detail. They both seem to be ready to jump into a fray at a moment's notice.

[Mad_Ewok]

That website is why over the past few years I have found myself giving the Zags less support. So many of the posters there blindly follow, and if someone voices an unpopular opinion about the team they jump them. They may be perhaps the most sanctimonious fanbase I know of. Not only did they discuss forfeiting the game, requesting security, but one guy also claimed he called and left a message with the university president's secretary....

Oh, I forgot to add a bunch of them seem to think the suspensions were made in a manner so that everyone would be available SPECIFICALLY for the game against them. Ugh...

[PMI]

I've always hated the FAKE Gonzaga, and while I didn't go over and read their BS (because I'm sick of all of it anyway) hearing that they're sitting on their high horses makes me hate those overrated posers even more. They have the delusional holier than thou syndrome of dayton, while being as overrated as U2, a true recipe for what I do not respect. I can't wait for that game. F the wannabe Gonzaga. They are a disgrace to the name as far as I'm concerned. Adam Morrison dropped the N-bomb repeatedly against us a few years ago (and this was according to some of our guys directly.) Yet they are going to act like they and their coach are somehow above any kind of unsportsmanlike behavior. I can't wait for them to smell the glove.

[BandAid]

Why should they need to request State Troopers? I think we should readily provide them! With escorts! Then as their players ask, "Why the hell are there state troopers here?" We can just kind of stare at them with crazy eyes...Wait, do gangstas have crazy eyes? Someone better ask Brad Redford. He'll know...

[waggy]

Steel Balls Holloway is coming for you Gonzaga!

And Hell's coming with him!

[MuskieFN]

How can they be sure that the state troopers would not just be double agents ready to join in once things turned really ugly? Didn't we use that one during the Duquesne game back in '05? :D

[SlimKibbles]

I love the conspiracy theory post by that one guy on their board: Wells was only suspended 4 games so that his first game back will be the Gonzaga game and it's not a coincidence. Yep, buddy, that's exactly why they suspended him only 4 games. The match-up with YOUR school is all X really cared about in this whole thing.

[SixFig]

I love the conspiracy theory post by that one guy on their board: Wells was only suspended 4 games so that his first game back will be the Gonzaga game and it's not a coincidence. Yep, buddy, that's exactly why they suspended him only 4 games. The match-up with YOUR school is all X really cared about in this whole thing.

To be fair, some on this board said (joked?) that Festus Ezeli of Vandy was suspended six games just in time to face us. Now, he ended up getting injured and missing it anyway, but still...

[cinskyline]

Wow. That is a serious amount of hate over there....

[bleedXblue]

This is great.

Xavier University has played at least 2000 basketball games (70 years x 30 games apprx) and we have 1 single incident where things got out of hand and now Gonzaga is afraid to play us ?

They're afraid of their safety ?

Are you kidding me ?

[Michigan Muskie]

This is great.

Xavier University has played at least 2000 basketball games (70 years x 30 games apprx) and we have 1 single incident where things got out of hand and now Gonzaga is afraid to play us ?

They're afraid of their safety ?

Are you kidding me ?

Was just thinking the same thing. It's like evaluating the career of Dan Akroyd based on Yogi.

[chico]

I love the conspiracy theory post by that one guy on their board: Wells was only suspended 4 games so that his first game back will be the Gonzaga game and it's not a coincidence. Yep, buddy, that's exactly why they suspended him only 4 games. The match-up with YOUR school is all X really cared about in this whole thing.

Well, I can buy it if they're talking about Amos. Because when we're up 30 with 5 minutes left we're going to need to call on the walk-ons.

[boozehound]

This is great.

Xavier University has played at least 2000 basketball games (70 years x 30 games apprx) and we have 1 single incident where things got out of hand and now Gonzaga is afraid to play us ?

They're afraid of their safety ?

Are you kidding me ?

They are from the Pacific Northwest. Everyone is a huge pussy up there. Or a lumberjack. Mostly pussies though.

[coasterville95]

Important thing to note - this is fan reaction. We have no idea how their team or school feels.

I think we've seen enough fanbases and fan forums (UD Pride, Cats Pause, etc) to know fans aren't always the most rational or in touch with reality.

But again - It was all that press conference. Take ORU's forum - they are blasting us over the press conference, but as far as the fight goes, they feel sympathy for Kenny, and like us think Gates and Mouji should never be allowed near the game again.

[MCXU]

They are from the Pacific Northwest. Everyone is a huge pussy up there. Or a lumberjack. Mostly pussies though.

I remember the topic of the amount of pussiness in the NW last year when we played Gonzaga.

If I remember correctly the topics on their board last year qualified them as "Queens of the Pussies"

I think Gonzaga fans have now been upgraded to Supreme Allied Commanders of Pussiness.

Oh yeah, by the way, the US Census reports 16 black people currently live in Spokane. Yeah, they are scared to play us here. Racists!

[Titanxman04]

They are from the Pacific Northwest. Everyone is a huge pussy up there. Or a lumberjack. Mostly pussies though.

Effin' Hippies.

Serious, best post ever. Reps.

[XUglow]

Since the incident started on the floor, I don't think that State Troopers behind the bench will help. Each player needs a body guard when he is on the court. That's the ticket. Have a personal body guard shadow each Zag on the court so they can step in if (when?) our players go berserk.

[chico]

They are from the Pacific Northwest. Everyone is a huge pussy up there. Or a lumberjack. Mostly pussies though.

http://looper.ca/images/timberjack/TJex_monty01.jpg

[More Cowbell]

I still don't understand why people thank XU and UC got off light. Last year Brittney Griner got two games for breaking a girl's nose. In 2007, Wyoming and New Mexico players just got the minimum one game for a fight. The Mormons at BYU just had ejections for this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798-q4Y1u_Y

Fights happen. You move on and learn from it. I can't tell you why this one has triggered such a nerve.

[XULucho27]

To every Gonzaga fan:

http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/your-high-horse.jpg

[BBC 08]

Damn it, chico. The man is holding me down so public reps for that.

[Ledgewood]

These fully-blown retarded comments from the Zag fans have got me wondering if this isn't one of the more overblown sports stories in a while... Can anyone think of any others?

[ballyhoohoo]

They are giving Dayton fans a run for most out of touch with reality award. Maybe muddy will share the bag o'wangs I went him with them

[Mrs. Garrett]

Gonzaga clearly has no tru e rivalry. They can't begin to comprehend what this games to both schools.

My feeling is they thought they were going to play a depleted Xavier team, but it turns out they are going to be playing us at full strenghth and are upset.

To me their outrage makes them sound weak/scared.

What a bunch of dopes.

[XULucho27]

Gonzaga clearly has no tru e rivalry. They can't begin to comprehend what this games to both schools.

My feeling is they thought they were going to play a depleted Xavier team, but it turns out they are going to be playing us at full strenghth and are upset.

To me their outrage makes them sound weak/scared.

What a bunch of dopes.

Yea, I'm with you on this. If the suspensions had been enough to exclude Tu, Dez, and Cheekz from the game against them they would have been fine with it. They claimed that they are our second biggest Non-Con opponent this year. That statement alone shows how highly they think of themselves. I'd put @Vandy, UC (because of the rivalry, not because of the quality of opponent), Purdue, and @Memphis all above the game with the Zags.

Sigh. They remind me of Dayton. Just another fan base that has to realize that we really don't give a fuck about them. They're just a bump (bodybag) in the road.

[whitesox]

I agree. And it makes me sad. Very sad. If Brad Redford had sat there Saturday afternoon and talked about his gangstas in the locker room, no one has a problem.

Completely, totally disagree.

If Brad Redford were our senior star player, talked trash during the game, and was talking trash that helped lead to a fight at the end of a blowout, and then used the exact same language Tu did in the press conference, the reaction from the public would not be materially different. I don't see any reason, other than pure speculation with no basis for support, to think that situation would be ignored.

[whitesox]

They are requesting Ohio State Troopers to guard their bench? Are they sure they are experienced enough to handle this type of game? Maybe we should consult with the Big East officials and see if they would lend us some of their more experienced troopers to really make sure the Zags are safe.

What, are the troopers supposed to step in when Gonzaga starts a fight?

[Ledgewood]

I can no longer take it. I am not reading any other teams' boards anymore. Threads like this one and many of the UC, UD ones are so wildly idiodic, delusional, and sanctimonious that it's doing me no good but raising my blood pressure and it makes me think we should cancel the internet. These people are complete morons and it is sad that they are allowed to type things that other human beings have access to, and I can't help but be grateful for a board that has some decent discussion and good moderators. Could you imagine if someone here said something like that guy who said we are starting to get into Penn State territory or whatever??? We'd all take him to task, and I'd hope he'd be banned. We may be X homers, but we are not even close to being that blind when it comes to sports issues. They can all lick my balls.

[CinciX12]

Gonzaga and their vaginas are just upset that we will have our lineup completely back when we play them. I'd beat upset to if I looked at the length of schedule, the time frame of the suspensions, and then realize you are the team who gets to be sacrificed to Xavier by ceremoniously KILLING (LITERALLY KILLING).

[XU-07]

What, are the troopers supposed to step in when Gonzaga starts a fight?

kick the $!@#$ out of them or tazer them.

[CinciX12]

Completely, totally disagree.

If Brad Redford were our senior star player, talked trash during the game, and was talking trash that helped lead to a fight at the end of a blowout, and then used the exact same language Tu did in the press conference, the reaction from the public would not be materially different. I don't see any reason, other than pure speculation with no basis for support, to think that situation would be ignored.

Completely, totally disagree, with you.

If you don't think it is a bigger deal because a young black man called himself a "gangsta" then you must be one of those people who think racism doesn't exist anymore. It has absolutely everything to do with the fact that the black players we graciously let participate in sporting events for us all got in a fight and white people over the age of 40 are appalled.

Just take X's fan base for a second, who are the people who say that Tu and Mark should be suspended for the year? Who are the people who think that we should cancel the UC series? Well, with a few exceptions, they are all Caucasian male and females in their 40's and above.

Signed,
The whitest person in the world.

[PMI]

Alright I bit and read a page of their thread. Holy freaking hell.

On second thought, how can we really blame Gonzaga for being scared? I mean it's not like that brawl could've only happened against our biggest rivals who also happen to be the biggest thugs in college sports. Our guys are clearly a bunch of ticking time bombs. All one of their classy little white boys, or well-spoken non-white boys has to do is look at one of our animals the wrong way and they're going to be assaulted to the point of near death. How is it fair to expect their class acts to focus on playing a basketball game while the team they're playing will be focused only on ending their lives on national television. The gladiators didn't have it half as bad when they were sent into the lion's den, because at least they got weapons to help fight off the animalistic rage of their opponents.

I feel for all of the Gonzaga players, and frankly, it would only be fair if the game were cancelled, Gonzaga was credited with a 99-0 win, our season was cancelled, and our university was shut down and turned into the campus of a rehabilitation and support center for those who have been abused by people like us. It's just better to be safe than sorry, and there's really only one way any Xavier game could end: in bloody tragedy.

[chico]

I hope the Cintas staff remember that the under 12 timeout is where Gonzaga has their tea and biscuits, and the under 4 timeout is quiet time so fans are requested to respect this and refrain from making loud noises.

[XULucho27]

PMI is right. I mean what else can you expect? Xavier has played approximately 2,300 basketball games since the team's debut in February of 1920, every single one of which has ended in a fight. Yup, I feared for my safety when I went to games at the 'Tas, just knowing that these animals were ready to start fighting as soon as the final whistle was blown.

We should forfeit the rest of the season, for the safety of all others and for the salvation of our mortal souls!

[BMoreX]

I hope the team feels the same way as their fans. If they do, the game will be a cakewalk through patsyland.

[theleague]

The best part is that they need "rehabilitated". Yes, go sit in an anger management classroom for 2 hours and now you are cured. Pussies.

[CSS85]

Does anyone remember the article after we played them in the NCAAs where one of the XU players said Adam Morrison's trash talk went beyond trash talking and into racial insults? He said he didn't want to make a big deal out of it. I guess classy behavior goes unnoticed as I didn't see any national talking heads attacking saint Adam. I was trying to find the article, but I can't remember what X player it was so, the search is pretty hard.

[BBC 08]

It was Cage and Stan I believe that talked about it.

[MD Muskie]

just read the GU pages and that is some of the most intolerant rants i have ever read. They cast stones upon our school without doing and via research into what Xavier stands for. Like people have already said this is one bad incident in over 2,000 games. Its shame that people will take on a mob mentality rather than take the time to speak with Alumni from the school to see get a better idea of what we stand for. I am amazed at how tolerance can just be cast aside so easily.

[MCXU]

Haters Hate

Losers Complain

Pu$$ies Cry (see Morrison, Adam)

Gangstas Win

ZIP EM UP!

[American X]

state troopers should be at their bench

Now that would clearly cut down on the shenanigans.


http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/05/14/Super-Troopers.jpg

[SlimKibbles]

...Fights happen. You move on and learn from it. I can't tell you why this one has triggered such a nerve.

I really wish I knew the answer to that too.

[xavierj]

At Gonzaga the fans may need state troopers the next time Adam Morrison comes back to town. Just show them this tape of the classy guy.

http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/video-adam-morrison-gets-in-a-fight-in-serbia.html

[PMI]

Does anyone remember the article after we played them in the NCAAs where one of the XU players said Adam Morrison's trash talk went beyond trash talking and into racial insults? He said he didn't want to make a big deal out of it. I guess classy behavior goes unnoticed as I didn't see any national talking heads attacking saint Adam. I was trying to find the article, but I can't remember what X player it was so, the search is pretty hard.

I was told directly by multiple players on that Xavier team that Morrison repeatedly dropped the N-bomb and several other not so kind words on our guys throughout that whole game. This is not something that was said lightly, as you might imagine, and certainly not something that any of them appreciated. So naturally, they must've decided to forfeit the game in protest of the classlessness being displayed on the other side, right?

It will be interesting to see how Gonzaga fans respond the next time something unfortunate happens in their flawless, holier than thou program.

[xnatic03]

I was told directly by multiple players on that Xavier team that Morrison repeatedly dropped the N-bomb and several other not so kind words on our guys throughout that whole game. This is not something that was said lightly, as you might imagine, and certainly not something that any of them appreciated. So naturally, they must've decided to forfeit the game in protest of the classlessness being displayed on the other side, right?

It will be interesting to see how Gonzaga fans respond the next time something unfortunate happens in their flawless, holier than thou program.

I read the drivel over there and I thought I was reading UDPride. What a joke. Especially the a--clown that tried to compare what happened to the Sandusky situation (basically saying our guys were close to being as bad as Sandusky). 1 incident in 90 years of basketball at a place that's never had a security issue, and you are seriously concerned for your players safety? Do you honestly think the players haven't learned their lessons? Wells and Amos have to miss GOING TO HAWAII!!! It's Christmas in a tropical paradise, and they have to miss it. They know if anything else happens, it won't be a suspension any more.....they'll be gone. Period. But it's okay for Morrison to use racial epithets towards our players. There's some good sportsmanship for you.

[xnatic03]

Now that would clearly cut down on the shenanigans.


http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/05/14/Super-Troopers.jpg

Hopefully, our guys will be smart enough not to ask for a large Farva.

[chico]

Now that would clearly cut down on the shenanigans.


http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/05/14/Super-Troopers.jpg

Not unless one of their fans order a liter of cola.

[XUglow]

Oh when those brawny bulldogs fall in line
There’s going to be a basket every time!
And we will cheer, cheer, cheer for old GU
Our alma mater sing her praises too.
And we will cheer them to another score
We will cheer them, cheer them all the more.
For we are the Bulldogs of the blue and white,
Full of fight,
Fight on to victory!

The school apparently officially endorses fighting. I think we are the ones that are going to need security.

[chico]

Oh when those brawny bulldogs fall in line
There’s going to be a basket every time!
And we will cheer, cheer, cheer for old GU
Our alma mater sing her praises too.
And we will cheer them to another score
We will cheer them, cheer them all the more.
For we are the Bulldogs of the blue and white,
Full of fight,
Fight on to victory!

The school apparently officially endorses fighting. I think we are the ones that are going to need security.

Yes, but they probably mean break dance fighting.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mugatu2.jpg

[XUglow]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpgeuzcwUM1qzvlw3o1_400.jpg

How Zag fans view children growing up in Xavier households.

[XULucho27]

They are now unhappy that we haven't mentioned (or have conveniently forgotten) that we lost last year by ten in Spokane. My retort is "why the f*** does that matter?" The only reason we are bringing up the NCAA tournament game, as opposed to last year's, is because they seemed to have forgotten the racial epithet laced trash-talk of one Adam Morrison who played for the team that "would never be caught dead with players like those." The whole point of this thread has nothing to do with head-to-head competition results but rather how the pontificating is rather hypocritical coming from the fan-base who unabashedly supported Adam Morrison, the racist.

I don't think the fact that we got our ass kicked last year is relevant to this discussion. But they will pick-and-choose arguments as they see fit, as narrow minded twits are prone to do.

Also, I can vouch for PMI. We both were friends with several members of the basketball team that year and they did, in fact, tell us first-hand some of the less-than-cordial things that Morrison said. But hey, we start fights so clearly we've ceded the moral high-ground.

[STL_XUfan]

...Fights happen. You move on and learn from it. I can't tell you why this one has triggered such a nerve.

I really wish I knew the answer to that too.

I can answer that. Twitter. This fight went viral, and more importantly, the press conference went viral quickly. Everyone then felt the need to comment on it (reporters, analyst, the 40 y/o drunk slob in his mother's basement, the 13 y/o with high speed internet who accidently stumbled upon twitter between porn sites, etc.), which then made it not only news worthy, but headline news worthy. Once it started spiraling out of control it was impossible to stop and everyone that attended a semester of journalism school felt they needed to write an article saying how much better they are and how terrible the schools are.

[xudash]

I'm not starting a new thread for this and I'm generally done with this thing and am now moving on, but I found this on the Notre Dame board and felt obligated to respond:

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=thepit;pid=203834;d=this

[XULucho27]

That was excellent, Dash. I'm not in the least bit surprised you haven't received a single response or retort. When someone presents FACTS to make their argument you usually find that those who rely on conjecture simply can't or won't respond.

You presented facts, they presented "I heard from someone he's not a good dude." Again, great job presenting our point of view on that board.

[Ledgewood]

Gonzaga's stupid and I hate them.

[Michigan Muskie]

Holy hell, I'd hate to be around one of those guys when his kid gets into a fight at school. Poor kid will get grounded for life and his parents won't be able to attend his graduation ceremony without packing heat or a security escort.

The irrational thought process on that thread is so far beyond explanation that all you can do is laugh. It's not possible to engage in debate with a mindset resigned to a conclusion regardless of fact and logic. I'd call it childish, but that doesn't do my own kids justice.

There's no reason to even argue on that board. Hell, there's a guy over there who knows what 'gangsta' means because he's a high school teacher. (no matter the context and there is nothing you can say that will make him believe otherwise)

I wonder if he knows what assclown means...?

[BMoreX]

I'm not starting a new thread for this and I'm generally done with this thing and am now moving on, but I found this on the Notre Dame board and felt obligated to respond:

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=thepit;pid=203834;d=this

That is a horrendously designed message board.

Death to the eye.

[Juice]

Holy hell, I'd hate to be around one of those guys when his kid gets into a fight at school. Poor kid will get grounded for life and his parents won't be able to attend his graduation ceremony without packing heat or a security escort.

The irrational thought process on that thread is so far beyond explanation that all you can do is laugh. It's not possible to engage in debate with a mindset resigned to a conclusion regardless of fact and logic. I'd call it childish, but that doesn't do my own kids justice.

There's no reason to even argue on that board. Hell, there's a guy over there who knows what 'gangsta' means because he's a high school teacher. (no matter the context and there is nothing you can say that will make him believe otherwise)

I wonder if he knows what assclown means...?

I like how Tu explained what he meant .2 seconds after he said the word "gangsta" but people are coming to their own conclusions and freaking out based on their own thoughts on the word, not the intent of the person who said it.

[GoMuskies]

I know a Gonzaga fan. He's a pussy.

[Michigan Muskie]

I like how Tu explained what he meant .2 seconds after he said the word "gangsta" but people are coming to their own conclusions and freaking out based on their own thoughts on the word, not the intent of the person who said it.

George Carlin would have a field day with this.

I am having a hard time understanding how a collection of presumably grown men can actually carry on a discussion like that without someone finally stepping forward to point out that they sound like the real housewives of Lilac City.

[DC Muskie]

I like how Tu explained what he meant .2 seconds after he said the word "gangsta" but people are coming to their own conclusions and freaking out based on their own thoughts on the word, not the intent of the person who said it.

I was talking to a friend of mine about this specifically and followed up by saying, "White people are just crazy."

[danaandvictory]

I'm not starting a new thread for this and I'm generally done with this thing and am now moving on, but I found this on the Notre Dame board and felt obligated to respond:

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=thepit;pid=203834;d=this

Most of the people on NDNation are just now making peace with the forward pass.

[DC Muskie]

For a guy who doesn't have a dog in the fight, he sure had a lot of information on Mack and Jeff Robinson, and pretty much everything negative about Xavier.

I guess I should brush up on why I hate Seton Hall.

Seriously this comes with the territory of winning. People don't like us because we win, and we don't have a law school.

Dayton fans are actually saying how much they love their school because they don't have players like Tu. Okay. Good job losing and not only that, losing with a false sense of contentment.

I read where Archie stopped one of their players from gloating. They were proud. You know he did it, because that player sucks, and sucky players shouldn't gloat about how misguided they think their awesomeness is. And hey you guys know that Archie is Sean's brother right? Sean is the guy who brought players like Tu, Frease, Lyons and Crawford to Xavier right?

Do they think Archie is not going to try and get players who are like Tu then London Warren?

ND can not like us all they want. Chris Mack is negative. Whatever, who cares? Mike Brey looks like a gay English professor.

[Masterofreality]

What? One of my favorite schools calling XU out?

GonXaga? The cute Xags? The Xavier wannabees? C'mon. This might make me not like them anymore. Boo Hoo.

Actually, I was going to hold my venom for near New Year's Eve...well, some of it. But these sanctimonious, trail mix chomping, tree smoking, salmon killing, pimple-faced, sun deprived nature twerps just piss me off. Other than SucKS and the dump, no game on the schedule is bigger to me. I want to see these poseurs crushed, like a walnut under a bulldozer. Oh, I guess that makes me a "Gangsta" and a "Killa" .

Hey, Bullpuppies, (since that is your real nickname). You have a right to be scared. Your basketball team is entering the Chamber of Horrors. Bad things will happen- to your reputation and record. Your psyche will take an, errrr.....beating.

Apologies in advance. Happy F-ing Holidays!

[Muskie in dayton]

Let's do the worst thing we can to them: prove them wrong.

Seriously, acting the way they think we'll act will make them happy as a kid on Christmas morning. Let the play on the court do the talking and we'll wish them a Happy New Year on the way out.

[DC Muskie]

Let's do the worst thing we can to them: prove them wrong.

Seriously, acting the way they think we'll act will make them happy as a kid on Christmas morning. Let the play on the court do the talking and we'll wish them a Happy New Year on the way out.

Are you asking us not to physically harm them? We haven't harmed any fans. We haven't bloodied any player.

I have a guess, that when we win, they will still think they way they do regardless of how we play or how our fans act.

If for some Godforsaken reason we lose, they will be happy that they overcame they behavior they think we demonstrated on and off the court.

So I'm really not inclined to make sure their fans on their message board are happy or not.

Just win.

[SixFig]

But these sanctimonious, trail mix chomping, tree smoking, salmon killing, pimple-faced, sun deprived nature twerps just piss me off.

I picture all Gonzaga fans look like this

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/t/twilight_edward_cullen-3204.jpg

[Muskie in dayton]

Are you asking us not to physically harm them?

Wow, I was just thinking we could scale back the trash talk a bit, but I guess we should try not to break their knee caps too.

Just win.

[Muskie1000]

What? One of my favorite schools calling XU out?

GonXaga? The cute Xags? The Xavier wannabees? C'mon. This might make me not like them anymore. Boo Hoo.

Actually, I was going to hold my venom for near New Year's Eve...well, some of it. But these sanctimonious, trail mix chomping, tree smoking, salmon killing, pimple-faced, sun deprived nature twerps just piss me off. Other than SucKS and the dump, no game on the schedule is bigger to me. I want to see these poseurs crushed, like a walnut under a bulldozer. Oh, I guess that makes me a "Gangsta" and a "Killa" .

Hey, Bullpuppies, (since that is your real nickname). You have a right to be scared. Your basketball team is entering the Chamber of Horrors. Bad things will happen- to your reputation and record. Your psyche will take an, errrr.....beating.

Apologies in advance. Happy F-ing Holidays!

seriously - tell us how you really feel.

[Cheesehead]

I don't care what UD fans think. UD? Do they even play basketball anymore?

I don't care what Gonzaga fans think. You have John Stockton: good player and Adam Morrison: complete bust. Unless you count Serbia.

Hey Adam, a 1970 porn star called, he wants his look back.

Ziip 'em up on New Year's Eve!

[xubrew]

From the thread...


I got fed up with the thought that nothing would change so I called the president at Xavier and left a message with his secretary. I told her as an educator I was disappointed in the message they were sending to young people. She apologized (sincerely) and said the president would read all of the messages and was understanding now how far reaching their decision was.
Call them. Express your disgust. 1-513-745-3502
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I have no idea who Fr. Graham's secretary is or how much money she makes, but it isn't enough if this is what she's expected to handle. Where I work we always joke about how we could make a CD of stupid phone calls and a book full of stupid emails and make money. This phone call would certainly fall into that category.

There is someone else suggesting that they have state-troopers guard their bench. I wish I would have thought of that in high-school. I would have announced that I would refuse to go to school unless state troopers were there to protect me, due to possibility of other students getting into fights.

They champion their Jesuit education, and then use it as a platform for their own self-serving agenda, which appears to be making themselves feel good, smart and authoritative. Any third party that reads that board will come away from it thinking their definition of "the Jesuit Way" is to be self-righteous and judgmental. Other things they don't even have a remote concept of are: the law, NCAA rules, NCAA scheduling, ESPN TV contracts, and the fact that in different dialects and different slang, words and phrases can have different meaning.

The fight was wrong, stupid, ridiculous and embarrassing to those involved. Holy shit, though. The people on that particular Gonzaga board need to do themselves a favor and stop acting like being self-righteous, being judgmental, and being all around ignorant is synonymous with the "Jesuit Way." I'm sure the Jesuits would appreciate it. Idiots can be dangerous. Idiots that are given a platform to stand on and a bullhorn to talk through can be infinitely more dangerous. That board is the latter....

[DC Muskie]

I actually think its funny that people from other schools would actually call up our president to tell them how disgusted they are.

Uh...thanks?

I hope people can get on with their because this fight happened. I can only imagine the pain their disgust has caused them. Do they have problems eating breakfast? Can they concentrate at work? Are they able to hold their children?

I'm wondering how good you must feel to call and tell the secretary how disgusted they are. Must be a huge weight lifted off your chest.

Did this fool call Notre Dame when a student died over working a football practice?

What do they feel of the the basketball game they play in called the "Battle of Seattle?" Is that in line with the "Jesuit Way?" I'm going to call their president and tell him how disgusted I am. They refer to themselves as "dawgs." Their players are not "dawgs" they are students.

This fool wouldn't even bothered to call if we weren't playing them, so spare me your disgust.

White people are crazy.

[boozehound]

Gonzaga is a joke. They have Adam Morrison dropping N-bombs all game but they are all up in arms about some trash talking Holloway did?

They are calling father Graham? Really? I can't wait to ruin their New Year's Eve.

[DC Muskie]

That board looks like it was created in 2000 and never updated.

[vee4xu]

If Gonzaga is afraid to come to Cincy and play a game, then they should stay home and forfeit. That would clear up any uncertainty about New Years Eve for someone who has to drive two hours to and from a game that starts at 8 p.m.

[xubrew]

If Gonzaga is afraid to come to Cincy and play a game, then they should stay home and forfeit. That would clear up any uncertainty about New Years Eve for someone who has to drive two hours to and from a game that starts at 8 p.m.

I don't think the players and coaches are the slightest bit afraid. I just think that the people on that message board are too busy impersonating Ned Flanders to realize their heads are up their asses. I'm sure all their heads are nice and warm up there, so why bother them??

[muskienick]

I wonder what the secretary to UC's President said when they called his office from Washington State?

[X-band '01]

I don't think the players and coaches are the slightest bit afraid. I just think that the people on that message board are too busy impersonating Ned Flanders to realize their heads are up their asses. I'm sure all their heads are nice and warm up there, so why bother them??

BobZag will be very disappointed to hear that, I'm sure.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Out of all the ridiculous comments/accusations on that board, this comment from zagfan24 hurts the most:


My fiancee got me tickets for the GU-Xavier game for Christmas (she told me ahead of time so I didn't make other New Years Plans). Probably unwise to wear my GU stuff there...gonna have to go as an incognito Zag fan.

Maybe he was kidding... maybe not. Regardless, it has become obvious that people's opinions (false or otherwise) have evolved beyond the outrage of one isolated event and developed into a general downgrade of Xavier University as a whole. The former I can deal with. It's the ladder that concerns me the most.

I have an idea, but I'll need some help (I do not live in Cincy anymore and won't be attending the game on 12/31)... Is there anyone with Joseph Club tickets who would be willing to take zagfan24 as your guest for the evening? Extend him and his fiance an invitation on the GU Board to meet you at the Joseph Club door 90 minutes before the game with his Gonzaga gear in full view. Show him and his fiance a great time. Introduce him to a slew of Xavier people and encourage dialogue about the similarities and differences of our respective Jesuit institutions. In the end, pick up their bar tab. I would be willing to split the cost of the evening with anyone willing to go in with me. If you're interested, contact me via PM and we can figure out the rest offline.

One caveat: After the game, he must go back to the GU Board and write a truthful summary about the evening, his experience attending a game at Xavier University, and his overall opinion of Xavier University and our student body and alumni.

[Juice]

Out of all the ridiculous comments/accusations on that board, this comment from zagfan24 hurts the most:



Maybe he was kidding... maybe not. Regardless, it has become obvious that people's opinions (false or otherwise) have evolved beyond the outrage of one isolated event and developed into a general downgrade of Xavier University as a whole. The former I can deal with. It's the ladder that concerns me the most.

I have an idea, but I'll need some help (I do not live in Cincy anymore and won't be attending the game on 12/31)... Is there anyone with Joseph Club tickets who would be willing to take zagfan24 as your guest for the evening? Extend him and his fiance an invitation on the GU Board to meet you at the Joseph Club door 90 minutes before the game with his Gonzaga gear in full view. Show him and his fiance a great time. Introduce him to a slew of Xavier people and encourage dialogue about the similarities and differences of our respective Jesuit institutions. In the end, pick up their bar tab. I would be willing to split the cost of the evening with anyone willing to go in with me. If you're interested, contact me via PM and we can figure out the rest offline.

One caveat: After the game, he must go back to the GU Board and write a truthful summary about the evening, his experience attending a game at Xavier University, and his overall opinion of Xavier University and our student body and alumni.

Holy shit, people from Washington are dumb. Let's say that XU's players are a bunch of gangster thugs. At what point did anything that occurred last weekend involve XU fans? He acts like a bunch of us stormed the court and curb stomped Yancy Gates.

[xavierj]

Holy shit, people from Washington are dumb. Let's say that XU's players are a bunch of gangster thugs. At what point did anything that occurred last weekend involve XU fans? He acts like a bunch of us stormed the court and curb stomped Yancy Gates.

Have you ever seen guys like Nuts for XU or Snipe? Those guys scare the shit out of me and i would never want to meet them in a dark alley.

[coasterville95]

Just offer Nuts a free Jello Shot! That will take care of him.

[DC Muskie]

Maybe he was kidding... maybe not. Regardless, it has become obvious that people's opinions (false or otherwise) have evolved beyond the outrage of one isolated event and developed into a general downgrade of Xavier University as a whole. The former I can deal with. It's the ladder that concerns me the most.

I have an idea, but I'll need some help (I do not live in Cincy anymore and won't be attending the game on 12/31)... Is there anyone with Joseph Club tickets who would be willing to take zagfan24 as your guest for the evening? Extend him and his fiance an invitation on the GU Board to meet you at the Joseph Club door 90 minutes before the game with his Gonzaga gear in full view. Show him and his fiance a great time. Introduce him to a slew of Xavier people and encourage dialogue about the similarities and differences of our respective Jesuit institutions. In the end, pick up their bar tab. I would be willing to split the cost of the evening with anyone willing to go in with me. If you're interested, contact me via PM and we can figure out the rest offline.

One caveat: After the game, he must go back to the GU Board and write a truthful summary about the evening, his experience attending a game at Xavier University, and his overall opinion of Xavier University and our student body and alumni.

I think this is a nice idea and if someone wants to take this guy and his woman and show him a good time I'm all for it.

The highlighted part is something that is almost beyond our control.

Now I might go a little crazy, so forgive me...

Anybody who would associate an entire university in a negative light simply because the basketball team got into a fight is simply incapable of rational thought.

Take a look at messageboards. Messageboards are dominated by white people.

Stay with me here.

No doubt the majority of Gonzaga fans are white, probably middle aged and live a pretty good life. That is probably what would describe about 80-90% of people who spend time on messageboards. I know this is just a guess, and there really isn't any data out there to support this opinion, but I warned you I might go a little crazy.

I had a conversation with a Xavier alum last night who graduated in 196soemthing. He was very happy that Father Graham sent out that video. I'm glad he needed that in order for him to make peace with the entire event, even though it didn't make a difference to me personally. Now he went on to say he thought Tu should have been thrown off the team. For the record, this friend doesn't always know when we play or who is on the team, but for about ten minutes he thought because of what Tu did, he should have been thrown off the team.

I talked him down from that insane reaction.

Now this guy doesn't know what a messageboard, but guys like him who do, use it as a way to have a community where they are respected. For me, I like coming here, because I feel like I have a place here, among friends. And people like Roach and _LH.

Anyway, your never going to get all people to be convinced that Xavier University isn't anything other then a wonderful, spiritual place that develops leaders of faith and knowledge. If you can't understand that, then there is nothing that can be done. You lead a sorry and pathetic life. You are probably some old guy who doesn't feel he gets enough respect in his life.

Do you realize there is a segment of Dayton fans who have thought Xavier has always had thugs on their team? Always. The only way that changes is if we recruit all the white guys from the GCL and lose to them by 400 points. Then the entire school magically becomes a good Catholic school. The fans who think like that, reside in the online world of their messageboards. Not out there in "real life."

Now I hate Dayton. But I would never say Dayton overall is a terrible school because London Warren gets on twitter and reads like he couldn't put three sentences together and you spotted him the first two.

Overall I don't think our goal should be to win over the messageboard crowd. We never will. If Gonzaga fans want to childish and immature in their reaction to what our leaders have decided regarding something that doesn't concern them, let them.

I know this is probably not a good example, but in my personal life I have struggled from time to time with wanting to make everyone happy and like me. Over the last ten years as I have grown up, I realize I'm not going to make people happy. Jesus Himself preaches about love, faith and holiness. And people killed Him.

Now I'm no Jesus. But I still think the best way for us to show people we are who we are, is to be who we are.

I hope this guy comes with a Zags shirt on and wears it proudly. I have no doubt no one will cause him any harm. If he feels otherwise, then I wish him the best in life being the biggest pussy on the planet.

[xudash]

Great post DC.

Allow me to amplify your point a little.

We are all very big fans of Xavier and Xavier basketball. If we weren't we wouldn't be here. If Xavier were such a rotten place and if our basketball program was such a dirty program we all would not be going through this angst; we wouldn't care about it or we would be reveling in it. But Xavier isn't a rotten place. And we have an excellent, admirable program. We all know what is the reality.

We are a small community on a message board, relatively speaking. There are communities just like ours around the nation. Some are bigger - obviously, fans of the big state schools that mainly comprise the BCS conferences. Some are small - smaller schools or schools that do not have accomplished programs. Some are in the middle due to a combination of all those attributes.

THE POINT IS THAT WE ARE WORRYING ABOUT COMMENTARY FROM A RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD WIDE WEB, MANY OF WHOM HAVE PRE-DISPOSED BIASES. Xavier could have announced a cure for stupidity last weekend and UD fans would still have come out of the woodwork, complaining about their inability to hold a decipherable advantage on other human beings, believing beforehand that they had idiots, livestock and fish covered.

Yes, we are kind of sitting in the inner circle of the inner circle of the circle of collegiate hoops fandom. In the scheme of things, it isn't a big number and many of them are jaded regardless.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, even the media's ability to spew about this thing is limited in its effect. The counter punches to some of the drivel have landed and will continue to land: Gotlieb's Chris Mack interview, coverage of Kenny's excellent reaction, the article posted earlier about the media not paying careful attention to the contextual nature of Tu and Mark's comments.

BTW, THOSE COMMENTS ARE ON THE RECORD. I BELIEVE THEY'LL BE PLAYED AGAIN AS WE DO GOOD THINGS, WITH THE COMMENTATOR MENTIONING THAT THE INCIDENT WAS UNFORTUNATE, AND THE PRESSER WAS UNFORTUNATE, BUT THAT OUR KIDS, IN FACT, WERE CLEARLY MISUNDERSTOOD FOR WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO CONVEY. Try this on for size; a quote something to the effect of, "Mistakes WERE made. But it was unfair to impune the character of Tu Holloway and his teammates. They certainly could have handled things better, but they are not, in fact, thugs. That's clear now. Thugs don't modify their behavior over the course of the season. These kids continued to win and they did it as competitors, but with good sportsmanship."

Overall, this thing will fade with time. Our actions over the coure of time will show what happened on last Saturday to be an anomaly. Our actions will certainly project Xavier in the right light.

Two final things:


We still live in a society that is forgiving; a more balanced, accurate view of Xavier's program will follow demonstrated good sportsmanship and a little yes yapping by us, to the extent they still comment on it down the road.
A deep run by Xavier with straight-up play and strong press conference performances and a strong push by our SID to blast the media with our graduation rates, Sister Rose, et al (program characteristics) will help people to know what they already know if they know basketball: Saturday was the product of a heated rivalry game; this was not the standard operating procedure for Xavier basketball.


p.s. Matt Painter needs another deflection after today.

p.s.s. I haven't seen a picture of a bloody Tyler Hansbrough for a long time. Why is that?

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Gonzaga is a joke. They have Adam Morrison dropping N-bombs all game but they are all up in arms about some trash talking Holloway did?

They are calling father Graham? Really? I can't wait to ruin their New Year's Eve.

Those accusations were never proven. Cage didn't exactly back up Stan.

[PM Thor]

You guys are overeacting as much as the national media is for the brawl. Seriously, who effing cares what a bunch of anonymous posters have to say about X, or about what happened?

They are looking for an excuse as for coming into Cintas and getting destroyed. We are an ender of Dreams. Destroyer of Hope. Are you pissed? I'm pissed how people are jumping to such asinine conclusions about X. This team is pissed. F it. This team is coming. We are bringing Hell with us. Everyone, former opponents, national media, random fans, X is pissed. Hate us. Look down at us. Judge us. But we will have the last word.

Scoreboard.

I HATE dayton.

[DC Muskie]

[B][COLOR="Navy"]You guys are overeacting as much as the national media is for the brawl.

Huh?


[B][COLOR="Navy"]Seriously, who effing cares what a bunch of anonymous posters have to say about X, or about what happened?

I thought that was the point dash and I were making.

[XUFan09]

Couldn't rep DC, but I got Dash. Great pair of posts.`

[Roach]

Take a look at the thread now. Some OSU fan who follows Gonzaga gave Xavier a pretty solid defense and kinda put the morons making stupid comments in their place. The Gonzaga posters collective response? They had the moderators close the thread. Apparently when Gonzaga fans are challenged or criticized, they effectively stick their fingers in their ears and loudly chant, "I'm not listening. I'm not listening. I'm not listening." Hilarious ...

[PMI]

Those accusations were never proven. Cage didn't exactly back up Stan.

I heard it from several of the horses mouths, for what it's worth, and they were about as forward as you could be about it. Either way, for GU fans to act like they are above trash-talking is delusional.

[GoMuskies]

Our guys are going to send theirs crying to their mommas come New Year's Eve.

[DC Muskie]

Did anyone help out that Gonzaga fan? Just curious.

I'm sure they are all satisfied with their victory over such a reprehensible program we have.

[pizza delivery]

I thought it was rude the way Gonzaga players came back out on court to stand on the X and celebrate after the game. Then talk trash to the fans on the way out. That's just me though. I'm just glad our own players finally left their glocks at home for a big game. To many people were dying at our games.

[Benxman]

I thought it was rude the way Gonzaga players came back out on court to stand on the X and celebrate after the game. Then talk trash to the fans on the way out. That's just me though. I'm just glad our own players finally left their glocks at home for a big game. To many people were dying at our games.

I'm more concerned with our MOJO than glocks. We haven't brought that to a game since the 'brawl'. I sure hope we get it back soon, or this season could be shorter than we expected by several games.

I think our guys are teetering between what is a really balanced approach and where they were before. To me, the UC game ending was an anomaly, but the post game media coverage and the alarm showed by everyone in the media and fandome, put our players into a situation where they are now searching for the right approach to a game. They are playing very tentatively at this point. I think they will regain the swagger, and I hope it is soon.

GO MUSKIES!

:sword:

[DC Muskie]

To me, the UC game ending was an anomaly, but the post game media coverage and the alarm showed by white people in the media and fandome, put our players into a situation where they are now searching for the right approach to a game.

Fixed.

[Downtownballer]

I'm more concerned with our MOJO than glocks. We haven't brought that to a game since the 'brawl'. I sure hope we get it back soon, or this season could be shorter than we expected by several games.

I think our guys are teetering between what is a really balanced approach and where they were before. To me, the UC game ending was an anomaly, but the post game media coverage and the alarm showed by everyone in the media and fandome, put our players into a situation where they are now searching for the right approach to a game. They are playing very tentatively at this point. I think they will regain the swagger, and I hope it is soon.

GO MUSKIES!

:sword:

it appears cincy may have bitch-slapped the thug right out of us. This should have been an easy win. Doesn't look good to lose at home on national tv. Coach better fix this asap!

[xavierj]

it appears cincy may have bitch-slapped the thug right out of us. This should have been an easy win. Doesn't look good to lose at home on national tv. Coach better fix this asap!

Did you just crawl out from under a rock?

[Downtownballer]

Did you just crawl out from under a rock?

God, I admire you

[xavierj]

God, I admire you

I am glad you do and you should. Just don't know how playing a pretty good Gonzaga team with a couple of potential NBA players should have been an easy win. The odds makers put the line at 2 for a reason. I don't think too many people thought it would be an easy game.

[RealDeal]

it appears cincy may have bitch-slapped the thug right out of us. This should have been an easy win. Doesn't look good to lose at home on national tv. Coach better fix this asap!

23 points bitch.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

23 points bitch.

I suggest you read my signature when discussing things with UC fans.

[Downtownballer]

23 points bitch.

No reason to call people names. Has it come to this??

BTW, coach still needs to fix this or he is on the hot seat, IMO.