Is Columbus about to become more "Urban"?

[vee4xu]

Looking more and more like it. Guess we'll see after the Meecchhigan game this Saturday. Now if the lowly Bucks can hang another loss on UoM this Saturday, that would make the entire weekend. However, I think since the game is in Mr. Robinson's neighborhood, there isn't a high liklelhood of that happening.

Brady plow those Ohio field while you can. The gate between Ohio and Michigan closes to Ohio's best players again next week!

[xudash]

Looking more and more like it. Guess we'll see after the Meecchhigan game this Saturday. Now if the lowly Bucks can hang another loss on UoM this Saturday, that would make the entire weekend. However, I think since the game is in Mr. Robinson's neighborhood, there isn't a high liklelhood of that happening.

Brady plow those Ohio field while you can. The gate between Ohio and Michigan closes to Ohio's best players again next week!

Ain't that the truth.

Too much smoke not for there to be any fire with all the Urban buz.

Happy T-day, vee!

[vee4xu]

Thanks dash. Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

You are in Jacksonville, not far from Gainesville, what are you hearing down there? As you would expect, rumors are rampant up here.

[XUglow]

I think it is going to happen.

[Ledgewood]

Trust me, Columbus is urban enough.

[vee4xu]

Trust me, Columbus is urban enough.

Wow, cool. I didn't realize that you lived here. Where about in Columbus do you live?

[xudash]

Thanks dash. Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

You are in Jacksonville, not far from Gainesville, what are you hearing down there? As you would expect, rumors are rampant up here.

My Blue Key Gator friends are telling me that Urban is "going home."

It's done, according to them; it would take a really unforeseen event to reverse it at this point. They also emphasized that he truly believes he's got the life balance/health thing under control as well.

This is huge for the Buckeyes if these guys know what they're talking about, and they're in the inner circle down there - they usually know what they're talking about.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Anyone know what his exact health issue is? I vaguely remember they thought he had a heart attack but it was esophageal spasms. It was under control with meds. Guessing something like Isordil.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Wow, cool. I didn't realize that you lived here. Where about in Columbus do you live?

I live in Cbus... If a asteroid was barreling straight for this place, Andrea Camburn wouldn't report on it until after she interviewed the OSU lockerrom janitor's brother's former roommate's cousin on the Urban Meyer situation.

In all seriousness, I have $5 on Urban getting announced during the upcoming home game vs Duke.

[Nigel Tufnel]

And here I just assumed that the next head football coach at OSU would be Sean McCormick....

And no, not bitter....just a little Thanksgiving morning humor.

[blobfan]

I've heard 2nd hand that it's all but signed and will be announced during the tOSU v Duke basketball game.

[gladdenguy]

Let me get this straight......tUrban Meyer lies about his health to get out of florida and now a year later he becomes the next shady OLIEO leader......i know one thing.....this hire does not scare me in the least bit. Two shady OLIEO coaches heading up the football and bball teams. Ton of integrity comin outta that dump. I almost forgot the AD, one hell of a man right there. OLIEO might not ever be free of ncaa sanctions.

[vee4xu]

The funniest thing to me is that no matter who next coaches tOSU's football team, that news supplants anything that Matta's team does on the court during basketball season. The guy has had one of the most successful D1 basketball programs for almost a decade and the fans are ALWAYS more concerned about football. Being the OSU basketball coach is like coach's hell. You can have great teams and no one cares or notices because of football. I think it is poetic justice.

[Ledgewood]

Wow, cool. I didn't realize that you lived here. Where about in Columbus do you live?

Spent a lot of time in Bexley, Mr. Bitterpants.

[bjf123]

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. tOSU couldn't beat Urban Meyer and the Gators, so they'll try hiring him. Maybe they'll win a national title that way.

[Nigel Tufnel]

i know one thing.....this hire does not scare me in the least bit.

It should....and I don't have a dog in this fight. If you're an OSU hater, its only going to get worse for you. OSU will own the Big 10 w/ Meyer....only instead of the politician sweater vest who does nothing but be respectful towards opponents and do nothing but coach speak, you are now going to have to deal with a cocky guy who just kicked your team's butt.

[kmkdude]

Just saw him at Zips getting a burger with his wife before the Georgia game.

[vee4xu]

Spent a lot of time in Bexley, Mr. Bitterpants.

Wow, a name caller to boot! Nice.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. tOSU couldn't beat Urban Meyer and the Gators, so they'll try hiring him. Maybe they'll win a national title that way.

To add to our total yes we will. Haters will always hate. THE Ohio State Buckeye's will be National Champions in a minimum of 5 years AGAIN, sucks doesn't it?

And we haven't tried to hire Urban Meyer, you're living in delusional'ville if you don't think he'll be announced next week.

[boozehound]

To add to our total yes we will. Haters will always hate. THE Ohio State Buckeye's will be National Champions in a minimum of 5 years AGAIN, sucks doesn't it?

And we haven't tried to hire Urban Meyer, you're living in delusional'ville if you don't think he'll be announced next week.

I don't think he said 'try' as in 'try to hire' but rather 'try' in the sense of 'let's see if this works'.

There are a few things that I find interesting about this situation:

1. After their bowl game raping at the hands of Florida several years ago all OSU fans could talk about was what a bunch of cheaters Florida (and the SEC in general) were and what a shady coach Urban Meyer was. How he was probably paying players, and about the number of his kids that got arrested. Now that Urban Meyer is coming to OSU he is a class act all the way. Funny how that works.

2. I'm not sure that Urban Meyer is a guaranteed National Title like many OSU fans seem to believe. I think that being able to recruit Florida (and the Southeast in general) may have been a significant part of Meyer's success at Florida. Kids from Florida and the Southeast aren't going to come flocking to OSU, regardless of who is coaching there. Many SEC schools have good programs with lots of national exposure and beautiful girls, not to mention great weather. They have access to probably the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country. That is a competitive advantage that they enjoy over any Big Ten team, although Ohio does have a lot of good recruits as well. Also note that these are many of the same things that OSU fans said when they thought that Les Miles was coming to Michigan. Now they are a non-factor in the case of Urban Meyer. Again, funny how that works.

Expectations are going to be sky high for Urban Meyer at OSU. Can he live up to them?

[xudash]

Booze, I give you #1, as fans can be fickle.

As far as #2 is concerned, Ohio State + Urban Meyer = a nightmare for the B1G and frequent visits to the Championship game. They'll win a NC game in the next 5 years, regardless of whether they do that against the SEC, the SEC, the SEC, or a revised Big East, in a game where Rutgers is favored by 2 touchdowns.

Ohio State already recruits nationally, including Florida. You put an Ohio State business card in Urban Meyer's hands and watch out.

[PMI]

I don't think he said 'try' as in 'try to hire' but rather 'try' in the sense of 'let's see if this works'.

There are a few things that I find interesting about this situation:

1. After their bowl game raping at the hands of Florida several years ago all OSU fans could talk about was what a bunch of cheaters Florida (and the SEC in general) were and what a shady coach Urban Meyer was. How he was probably paying players, and about the number of his kids that got arrested. Now that Urban Meyer is coming to OSU he is a class act all the way. Funny how that works.

2. I'm not sure that Urban Meyer is a guaranteed National Title like many OSU fans seem to believe. I think that being able to recruit Florida (and the Southeast in general) may have been a significant part of Meyer's success at Florida. Kids from Florida and the Southeast aren't going to come flocking to OSU, regardless of who is coaching there. Many SEC schools have good programs with lots of national exposure and beautiful girls, not to mention great weather. They have access to probably the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country. That is a competitive advantage that they enjoy over any Big Ten team, although Ohio does have a lot of good recruits as well. Also note that these are many of the same things that OSU fans said when they thought that Les Miles was coming to Michigan. Now they are a non-factor in the case of Urban Meyer. Again, funny how that works.

Expectations are going to be sky high for Urban Meyer at OSU. Can he live up to them?

Agree with this. I heard ad nauseam for years about how shady Urban Meyer is, how the luckeyes should be the rightful champions because they didn't cheat (hahahahahaha) and how the difference between their program and the SEC programs that made livings raping them in bowl games was that they were classy and the others were scum. That is the kind of delusion we're talking about, but I know that comes as no surprise to most. Now, I'm sure Urban Meyer is a classy, fair, and honest coach. Oh how I pray for the day that he gets them put back on probation.

Michigan needs to come out and put together a touchdown drive out of the half. The safeties are playing like shit and Denard has attempted to hand them touchdowns multiple times, succeeding once. Stop shooting ourselves in the foot and this game is a convincing win. Time to take back what's rightfully yours, boys.

[PMI]

They'll win a NC game in the next 5 years, regardless of whether they do that against the SEC, the SEC, the SEC, or a revised Big East, in a game where Rutgers is favored by 2 touchdowns.

There you have it, guys. I can't make this stuff up. This is the same osu that gets beat by 45 points a game in title games, I have to assume?

[xudash]

There you have it, guys. I can't make this stuff up. This is the same osu that gets beat by 45 points a game in title games, I have to assume?

When they were otherwise favored, given you're referring to the Florida debacle.

Of course, they weren't favored against a superior, "much faster" Miami team earlier in that decade, when Miami was still regarded as being in top form, and they beat them. BTW, the "call" in the end-zone was correct, and, if you absolutely believe it wasn't correct, Miami should have been called for defensive holding earlier in the play. So, yes, Ohio State's victory over Miami was legitimate.

Ohio State has won the national title 7 times. Anyone who thinks they won't do it again is delusional.

[Snipe]

Looks like OSU is going down. Michigan fans are just beginning to taste it.

I have now instituted a Fred Garvin Watch.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

When they were otherwise favored, given you're referring to the Florida debacle.

Of course, they weren't favored against a superior, "much faster" Miami team earlier in that decade, when Miami was still regarded as being in top form, and they beat them. BTW, the "call" in the end-zone was correct, and, if you absolutely believe it wasn't correct, Miami should have been called for defensive holding earlier in the play. So, yes, Ohio State's victory over Miami was legitimate.

Ohio State has won the national title 7 times. Anyone who thinks they won't do it again is delusional.

That's the main requirement to be an OSU hater. Let them hate, we get to enjoy all the WINNING!

[Snipe]

No way Michigan blows a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter at home. I can't see anything that could possibly go wrong now...

[xsteve1]

Michigan fans rocking out to Journey's "Don't Stop Believin"

[Snipe]

How gay is that?

[xsteve1]

How gay is that?

Extremely.

[Snipe]

apres moi le deluge

[GuyFawkes38]

I can't wait for Urban to fail to live up to expectations at OSU. It's going to happen and OSU fans will bitch about it.

Note to Urban. Yes, your going to make a lot of cash from this. But it's a better move to go from a Big Ten school to a SEC school like Nick Saban did instead of the other way around. The chances of winning a national championship at a SEC school is vastly higher than at a Big10 school (even at OSU).

[PMI]

That's the main requirement to be an OSU hater. Let them hate, we get to enjoy all the WINNING!

I love osu fans calling others delusional. If enjoying a 6-6 season is enjoying the winning, then I guess I'm delusional. But seriously, people who say things like "we are guaranteed to win a national championship in the next five years" simply are in their own bubble. Whatever.

Those refs today can die slowly. While we're on the topic of delusion, overturning a touchdown call with clearly disputable evidence made me lose my mind, but it wasn't enough to keep the Wolverines down. Great win and great first season for Brady Hoke. With the recruiting going wonderfully, it's only a matter of time before Michigan is back to where they belong. Urban Meyer is just going to have to deal with it, before he A) quits because he's too stressed out making a billion dollars coaching a game, or B) gets osu put back on probation.

[bleedXblue]

I love osu fans calling others delusional. If enjoying a 6-6 season is enjoying the winning, then I guess I'm delusional. But seriously, people who say things like "we are guaranteed to win a national championship in the next five years" simply are in their own bubble. Whatever.

Those refs today can die slowly. While we're on the topic of delusion, overturning a touchdown call with clearly disputable evidence made me lose my mind, but it wasn't enough to keep the Wolverines down. Great win and great first season for Brady Hoke. With the recruiting going wonderfully, it's only a matter of time before Michigan is back to where they belong. Urban Meyer is just going to have to deal with it, before he A) quits because he's too stressed out making a billion dollars coaching a game, or B) gets osu put back on probation.

I hate Michigan and that was not a great win. Both defenses are a joke.

Meyer will recruit well ad OSU will be right back on top next year.

What will Michigan be without Robinson ?

[PMI]

I hate Michigan and that was not a great win. Both defenses are a joke.

Meyer will recruit well ad OSU will be right back on top next year.

What will Michigan be without Robinson ?

Any win in the big game is a great win! Do any of you osu fans (who just assume Meyer will come in and recruit the lights out) pay attention to Michigan's recruiting? Hoke is tearing it up, and getting back to being a MICHIGAN football team again, not Rich Rod's little WV style offense. Robinson is not a Michigan style QB, as much as I appreciate him (when he's not driving me batshit crazy.) Michigan had pro QB after pro QB after pro QB until Rich Rod. So to answer your question, after Robinson, they'll have a pro QB.

I just crack up reading this stuff about how UM fans should be so scared about Urban Meyer. We're ALREADY doing the recruiting that osu fans think Meyer will come in and do. Just, you know, without the future sanctions.

[Titanxman04]

Is this really a done deal with Meyer coming?

Is that why he wasn't in the broadcaster's booth with Spielman and that other dude today?

[boozehound]

Booze, I give you #1, as fans can be fickle.

As far as #2 is concerned, Ohio State + Urban Meyer = a nightmare for the B1G and frequent visits to the Championship game. They'll win a NC game in the next 5 years, regardless of whether they do that against the SEC, the SEC, the SEC, or a revised Big East, in a game where Rutgers is favored by 2 touchdowns.

Ohio State already recruits nationally, including Florida. You put an Ohio State business card in Urban Meyer's hands and watch out.

Ohio State is not going to get the best recruits in the state of Florida like Meyer did while at Florida. Those kids are going to play for Florida, or somewhere else in the SEC like LSU or Alabama. Michigan thought the same thing with Rich Rod's recruiting 'pipeline' in Florida. Notre Dame fans have said the same thing for years.

Kids generally like to stay close to home where their family and friends can come see them play. People from the south like the south and the warm weather. I get it. The south has rabid fans, beautiful women, and a great climate to play football in. There are several SEC schools with dominant programs that get at least as much exposure as OSU. They have the option to play for some pretty good coaches down there too, like a guy by the name of Nick Saban.

He will be a good coach, and he very well may win a NC in 5 years, but I really don't think it is as automatic as OSU fans believe.


I can't wait for Urban to fail to live up to expectations at OSU. It's going to happen and OSU fans will bitch about it.

Note to Urban. Yes, your going to make a lot of cash from this. But it's a better move to go from a Big Ten school to a SEC school like Nick Saban did instead of the other way around. The chances of winning a national championship at a SEC school is vastly higher than at a Big10 school (even at OSU).

Agreed, but maybe Meyer wants to coach closer to home. Maybe he wants a new challenge. I don't really fault the guy for taking the job. It seems like a good fit for him.

You bring up Nick Saban which is an interesting example. He is probably the best active coach in college football right now and he didn't do anything at Michigan State that even approaches what he did at LSU (very quickly after leaving MSU, BTW) and Alabama. OSU is a much better program than MSU, no doubt, but that should give people some food for though when they are guaranteeing National Championships.



Ohio State has won the national title 7 times. Anyone who thinks they won't do it again is delusional.

Things change fast. I think that they will probably win one again, but it may not happen in 5 years, or even 10 years.


I hate Michigan and that was not a great win. Both defenses are a joke.

Meyer will recruit well ad OSU will be right back on top next year.

What will Michigan be without Robinson ?

What will Michigan be with talent on defense again? Eventually our offense will become a more traditional offense with a QB that is a much better pure passer. Robinson is a special talent, for sure, but he has shortcomings. Going into the game he had thrown for 15 touchdowns and 14 INTs this year.

It didn't show today, but what Mattison (the architect of the dominant Florida defenses during the Urban Meyer era, BTW) has done with the talent he has on defense is nothing short of incredible. The talent level on defense is the worst it has ever been in Michigan's history. They are starting true freshmen all over the place because few of the defenseive players that Rich Rod recruited were able to produce. Mattison is going to bring a dominant, attacking, defense to Michigan that we haven't seen in years.

[xudash]

Any win in the big game is a great win! Do any of you osu fans (who just assume Meyer will come in and recruit the lights out) pay attention to Michigan's recruiting? Hoke is tearing it up, and getting back to being a MICHIGAN football team again, not Rich Rod's little WV style offense. Robinson is not a Michigan style QB, as much as I appreciate him (when he's not driving me batshit crazy.) Michigan had pro QB after pro QB after pro QB until Rich Rod. So to answer your question, after Robinson, they'll have a pro QB.

I just crack up reading this stuff about how UM fans should be so scared about Urban Meyer. We're ALREADY doing the recruiting that osu fans think Meyer will come in and do. Just, you know, without the future sanctions.

I agree with you that Hoke is doing well in recruiting. He's bringing Michigan back and that is a good thing for the conference and THE GAME.

What should be getting old to you, because it probably is getting old to about everyone else, is the idea that Meyer is going to come in and CHEAT at Ohio State. Obviously, Michigan has never been in trouble with the NCAA and doesn't have to worry about such comments.

The SEC will not retain an ironclad grip on the NC game.

Urban Meyer won't have to cheat at Ohio State.

Meyer will build a very strong coaching staff and actually improve upon Ohio State's near term recruiting results. That will directly effect Michigan's ability to pick-off any of the cream of the stock of players from Ohio. They'll land some, but Ohio State will draw who they want from their own backyard.

[vee4xu]

Congrats to UofM. They won fair and square today. The Bucks hung in there and never quit. A testament to Coach Fickle and some tough kids. Enjoy the win today Coach Hoke. You were able to kick the dog when it was down, but they bit back the whole time.

For those looking to find fault with Urban Meyer and predict sure failure, it probably comes from the fear that tOSU will have one down year, then back to national prominence for many years again. I know how much anti-OSU fans hate that.

Congrats gladdenguy.

GO BUCKS!!

[xudash]

BTW, congratulations to all Michigan fans here for the victory today.

A hard fought, probably more closely-than-anticipated contest than what was expected.

[X-band '01]

I can't wait for Urban to fail to live up to expectations at OSU. It's going to happen and OSU fans will bitch about it.

Note to Urban. Yes, your going to make a lot of cash from this. But it's a better move to go from a Big Ten school to a SEC school like Nick Saban did instead of the other way around. The chances of winning a national championship at a SEC school is vastly higher than at a Big10 school (even at OSU).

Interesting - I wonder how Michigan State would have done had he coached there while Michigan was down. Thing is, the SEC West was the weaker division while Saban was at LSU. Florida-Tennessee-Georgia was a gauntlet in the SEC East (and I think that's while Alabama was in a down cycle due to probation).

[XULucho27]

In reality, I think ohio fans are also overestimating how much Michigan fans care about their coaching hire. For the most part, I know Michigan fans are more geeked about having a hell of a head coach who is recruiting lights out right now, than worrying about what the tattoo brigade from down south is doing (sorry just taking a little shot here, but all in good fun :D).

In all seriousness the focus has now shifted from what ohio is doing to what Michigan has in store for the future. It's been 4 really crappy years, I think we care more about what we have coming than what the folks down south are up to.

I also agree with the assertion that he will not be able to bring in the top-flight talent from Florida. Those kids, for the most part, will want to remain in the South. Not to mention, a lot of Florida fans are still very bitter about Urban retiring. They won't take kindly to him trying to poach players to take up north.

That being said, bring on Meyer. Hell, the last time Michigan played him and his bible-thumping QBish looking guy we beat 'em! We're undefeated against Urban Meyer as a head coach!

Go Blue!!! Bring on the BCS Bowl! No second half of the season collapse for these boys! 10-2

[PMI]

Congrats to UofM. They won fair and square today. The Bucks hung in there and never quit. A testament to Coach Fickle and some tough kids. Enjoy the win today Coach Hoke. You were able to kick the dog when it was down, but they bit back the whole time.

For those looking to find fault with Urban Meyer and predict sure failure, it probably comes from the fear that tOSU will have one down year, then back to national prominence for many years again. I know how much anti-OSU fans hate that.

Congrats gladdenguy.

GO BUCKS!!


BTW, congratulations to all Michigan fans here for the victory today.

A hard fought, probably more closely-than-anticipated contest than what was expected.

You guys are both classy osu fans (if there's such a thing!) It was a hell of a game. I don't predict failure by any stretch for Urban Meyer. I just think it's very aggressive to assume that he will win a National Championship there. It's not like half the SEC and many other big programs are going anywhere. He might get them back into the conversation, but then again, so will Hoke for Michigan. Like Luis said, I'm much more concerned with what Michigan is doing, and it's exciting. I have no such fear that osu gets back to dominating the Big Ten. I expect them to be good. But I also expect Michigan to take a back seat to nobody, and as usual, the fate of the Big Ten will come down to THE GAME more often than not.

[DC Muskie]

Congrats to Michigan. Finally winning The Game. Bout time.

And anyone who is predicting a national championship win in the next five years has really failed to even acknowledge the last five.

I used to bet this way. No way this streak can continue...but it does. No way this team can beat this team. Hasn't happened, so why not this year? Then I lose.

I'm a horrible better. I just want OSU to go back and win the Big Ten in football which they have been doing for the last few years.

[DC Muskie]

And by the way, when is OSU going to fire Gee and Smith? Not soon enough the way they have handled pretty much everything surrounding the football program. Hiring Urban Meyer isn't going to change that.

[X Factor]

He might get them back into the conversation, but then again, so will Hoke for Michigan.

What makes you think Hoke will for Michigan? He's been a HC at Ball State and San Diego State before UM. So he had a good first year, that doesn't mean anything. It took an amazing effort from Michigan at home to beat one of the worst OSU team's in the past 10-15 years.

Urban Meyer, on the other hand, won a BCS game while the HC at Utah, and won 2 National Titles at Florida. Michigan won't be able to recruit Ohio with Urban at OSU and Urban WILL be able to reach into Florida and get the occasional 4/5 star Florida stud.

He has won big wherever he has been and you're kidding yourself if you don't think he will have OSU playing for Big Ten Titles, BCS games and National titles once he gets to OSU.

[XULucho27]

What makes you think Hoke will for Michigan? He's been a HC at Ball State and San Diego State before UM. So he had a good first year, that doesn't mean anything. It took an amazing effort from Michigan at home to beat one of the worst OSU team's in the past 10-15 years.

Urban Meyer, on the other hand, won a BCS game while the HC at Utah, and won 2 National Titles at Florida. Michigan won't be able to recruit Ohio with Urban at OSU and Urban WILL be able to reach into Florida and get the occasional 4/5 star Florida stud.

He has won big wherever he has been and you're kidding yourself if you don't think he will have OSU playing for Big Ten Titles, BCS games and National titles once he gets to OSU.

How many times have you seen a rivalry game that should be good, despite the discrepancy in talent? ohio fans will discredit their teams when it suits the purposes of their argument. If it had been the other way around, the excuses would come pouring out concerning why the game was as close as it was. It was a rivalry game, emotion got in the way and Michigan made some mistakes that let ohio hang in for longer than they should have. At the end of the day, they sealed the deal with long steady drives and with some help from the amazingly inaccurate deep throws of Braxton Miller.

And what about what Hoke did, in his first year, with an inherited disastrous defense? You know, what he just did this season? The whole 10-2, with a possibility of a BCS bowl game? How can you seriously ask whether or not Hoke will bring Michigan back to national prominence when he just led them to a 10-2 record AND A POSSIBLE BCS GAME? Is that not national prominence? Whether he will be consistent is a different story (time will tell, it's only year 1) but I think he just showed he can coach in the big time. That's not even a question anymore.

Take off the scarlet and grey blinders, dude. You come off very bitter right now.

Oh, and about not being able to recruit in the state of Ohio, why don't you ask Bri'onte Dunn and Kyle Kalis how Michigan's recruiting in Ohio is going right now?

[PMI]

What makes you think Hoke will for Michigan? He's been a HC at Ball State and San Diego State before UM. So he had a good first year, that doesn't mean anything. It took an amazing effort from Michigan at home to beat one of the worst OSU team's in the past 10-15 years.

Urban Meyer, on the other hand, won a BCS game while the HC at Utah, and won 2 National Titles at Florida. Michigan won't be able to recruit Ohio with Urban at OSU and Urban WILL be able to reach into Florida and get the occasional 4/5 star Florida stud.

He has won big wherever he has been and you're kidding yourself if you don't think he will have OSU playing for Big Ten Titles, BCS games and National titles once he gets to OSU.

Ugh. Please read my posts again. It's funny how osu fans interpret one thing to mean another. Where do you get that I don't think Urban Meyer is a good coach? In their primes, both Michigan and osu recruit nationally. I don't know where osu fans get off thinking they're at such an unbelievable advantage in recruiting over Michigan, save the last few dark years of Rich Rod's run. Look at the history.

What makes me think Hoke will be a good coach is based on what I've seen this season, both with this team and with recruiting. Michigan does not have a BCS bowl game roster. Not even close. We will soon though. Every time I watched Michigan play this year, I would think to myself, "we really aren't that good at all," yet we keep winning. The coaching staff has been outstanding, and is bringing in arguably THE BEST class in the nation next year. So yea, I think I have the right to believe we have a good coach. Interpret this post how you may.

P.S. Michigan fans are NOT scared of Urban Meyer coming in and all of a sudden hurting OUR recruiting. "Michigan won't be able to recruit in Ohio." A) Yes we will, and B) there are lots of other pipelines we'll have flowing too. Just look at the results in recruiting in the short time this staff has been there.

Winning a national championship is not going to be nearly as easy as every osu fan seems to think it will be. It's just laughable.

[gladdenguy]

I hate Michigan and that was not a great win. Both defenses are a joke.

Meyer will recruit well ad OSU will be right back on top next year.

What will Michigan be without Robinson ?

I will tell you what Michigan will be without Robinson. A team that does not rely on D Rob so much. A team that plays great defense. A team that is well coached. A coaching staff that will RECRUIT up to Michigan standards because Dick Rod ruined that for 5 years.

Greg Mattison took guys that are not his and turned them around from one of the worst defenses in America.

You, my friend, know nothing. Close your keyboard.


BHoke 1-0. My daughter has never seen oLIEO beat Michigan. GO BLUE!!!

[boozehound]

What makes you think Hoke will for Michigan? He's been a HC at Ball State and San Diego State before UM. So he had a good first year, that doesn't mean anything. It took an amazing effort from Michigan at home to beat one of the worst OSU team's in the past 10-15 years.

Urban Meyer, on the other hand, won a BCS game while the HC at Utah, and won 2 National Titles at Florida. Michigan won't be able to recruit Ohio with Urban at OSU and Urban WILL be able to reach into Florida and get the occasional 4/5 star Florida stud.

He has won big wherever he has been and you're kidding yourself if you don't think he will have OSU playing for Big Ten Titles, BCS games and National titles once he gets to OSU.

You are either intentionally minimizing Hoke's accomplishment this season or you don't have a full understanding of the intracacies of the situation at Michigan. You talk about how bad this year's OSU team is but fail to give credit for the absolutely abyssmal state of the Michigan program that Hoke inherited. This might be the 'worst OSU team in 10-15 years' but they still had 2X - 3X the talent that Michigan has right now.

Michigan has like 1 TE on scholarship, no fullbacks, and 8 Offensive linemen. We had one guy on the OL that was the backup for all positions. We have true freshmen everywhere on defense because none of the guys Rich Rod recruited can play. We have very few legit defensive linemen. All of our running backs were 160-180 pound 'scat back' type runners save 2 guys. The program was, and is, a mess. Michigan fans wouldn't have predicted 10 wins with W's over OSU and Nebraska in their wildest dreams. The Iowa game could easily have been as win as well.

The other reason UM fans are so confident in Hoke the fact that he was able to get Greg Mattison to come to Ann Arbor as the defensive coordinator. He lured him away from the Baltimore Ravens. Prior to that Mattison was the mastermind behind Urban Meyer's best defenses at Florida. Mattison took a 'bad news bears' type defense and turned them into a legit defense in one year. He is widely discussed as having done the best job of any assistant coach this season.

We are confident in Hoke becuase we have seen what he has done so far at Michigan. We have spoken with people within the program about the night and day difference in attitude and professionalism of this coaching staff. We have at least as much of a right to be optimistic as OSU fans, because our coach has actually coached some games at UM.

I am honestly astounded at how butt-hurt OSU fans get when you suggest that they maybe we should actually play the games and not just give them 5 straight Big Ten titles and a NC because their coach who hasn't even signed a contract yet is going to be so dominant.

Finally, show me where anyone said that Meyer won't have them contending for Big Ten titles and National Championships? I didn't see anyone say that anywhere in this thread. There is no reason to think that Meyer won't. I just don't think that he is guaranteed to win a NC in 5 years though like a lot of OSU fans think.

[gladdenguy]

What makes you think Hoke will for Michigan? He's been a HC at Ball State and San Diego State before UM. So he had a good first year, that doesn't mean anything. It took an amazing effort from Michigan at home to beat one of the worst OSU team's in the past 10-15 years.

Urban Meyer, on the other hand, won a BCS game while the HC at Utah, and won 2 National Titles at Florida. Michigan won't be able to recruit Ohio with Urban at OSU and Urban WILL be able to reach into Florida and get the occasional 4/5 star Florida stud.

He has won big wherever he has been and you're kidding yourself if you don't think he will have OSU playing for Big Ten Titles, BCS games and National titles once he gets to OSU.

I can't wait for tUrban Meyer to come to Columbus. Bring that freakshow to Columbus. Hoke will eat him for lunch. He won't have Tebow and will probably resign after a bad year in Columbus.

Hoke took DickRod's players and won 10 games with em.....has got them to a BCS bowl. Saved this year's recruiting class and has the 1st or 2nd ranked recruiting class next year. Not too shabby. If you think tUrban will recruit in the Midwest like he did in Florida you are delusional. But, look at the kids he recruited at Florida....they suck right now.

[bleedXblue]

I will tell you what Michigan will be without Robinson. A team that does not rely on D Rob so much. A team that plays great defense. A team that is well coached. A coaching staff that will RECRUIT up to Michigan standards because Dick Rod ruined that for 5 years.

Greg Mattison took guys that are not his and turned them around from one of the worst defenses in America.

You, my friend, know nothing. Close your keyboard.


BHoke 1-0. My daughter has never seen oLIEO beat Michigan. GO BLUE!!!

Really ?

OSU is not a good team and Michigan barely held on to win. They gave up 34 points to at best an average offense with a freshman QB who can't throw.

It's about time Michigan won.

It will take Meyer a few years to get things back on track....but you can't argue with the results he delivered.

You talk about a freak show at OSU ? You would know one after spending the last 10 years being a Michigan fan with the bad decisions the've made in hiring the wrong coaches.

[gladdenguy]

Bleed,
Its a rivalry game. Michigan should have won by more but a win is a win.
Even when UC sucks they give us good games. Give me a break.
Maybe next year. Suck it OLIEO fans.

Hoke is back on track.

All time series lead.........Michigan
Natl Titles....Michigan
Big 10 Titles....Michigan

12-11-1 since John Cooper was hired. OLIEO fans are delusional.

[MADXSTER]

Lookin pretty Ghetto

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[vee4xu]

Bleed,
Its a rivalry game. Michigan should have won by more but a win is a win.
Even when UC sucks they give us good games. Give me a break.
Maybe next year. Suck it OLIEO fans.

Hoke is back on track.

All time series lead.........Michigan
Natl Titles....Michigan
Big 10 Titles....Michigan

12-11-1 since John Cooper was hired. OLIEO fans are delusional.

gg, sounding a bit like a ud fan my friend. I guess that's what 10 years of frustration will do. over 2300 days of not-getting-laid-frustation ended for Michigan fans today. Congrats. We'll pick this up next year.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

Bleed,
Its a rivalry game. Michigan should have won by more but a win is a win.
Even when UC sucks they give us good games. Give me a break.
Maybe next year. Suck it OLIEO fans.

Hoke is back on track.

All time series lead.........Michigan
Natl Titles....Michigan
Big 10 Titles....Michigan

12-11-1 since John Cooper was hired. OLIEO fans are delusional.

Have to go back all the way to Cooper there huh Gladden. The more I find out about you the more your negativity makes sense. Glad your on the bad guys side.

Michigan 2 for the last 11, first year head coach, barely beat the 'shitty' bucks, but we back on track! Good luck with that!

[Xavier]

It has been 731 days since OSU last beat Michigan. (With last years win being vacated) Hoke ties the second best record in the Big 10 and has a shot at a BCS bowl...I will take that for a first year coach.

[XULucho27]

Michigan 2 for the last 11, first year head coach, barely beat the 'shitty' bucks, but we back on track! Good luck with that!


Ha! It's great how the win is lessened because ohio is now "shitty" but for the last three years even when we were atrocious their wins, for some reason, weren't lessened. I don't think I heard a single Michigan fan in that three year span say, "we lost but this game doesn't mean anything because we're shitty." It's really an interesting coping mechanism.

Believe it or not, our successes and failures are not measured in Wins and Losses to ohio. Yes, it sucked to lose so many in a row. Yes, during that time we were less than stellar. Yes, it always sucks to lose to a rival. Yes, I absolutely hate losing to ohio. But we're not back on track because we beat ohio as you suggest; you are not our measuring stick. To suggest otherwise is the height of egotism. No sir, we're back on track because we're 10-2 and going to a BCS bowl, with a monster recruiting class coming in right behind. Beating ohio is just the cherry on top of the sundae. If Michigan had gone 11-1 with the lone loss being to ohio, I'd still think this team is back on track.

Enjoy 6-6. Enjoy dealing with the ramifications of your "Failure to Monitor" charge. I don't like to gloat, because its petty and doesn't serve a purpose. Not this time, though. The delusions of ohio fans have driven me to the brink of obnoxious fandom and beyond. For today and always: It's Great to Be A Michigan Wolverine. It's time to grow up kiddies, and learn to be graceful in defeat.

40-34 Go Blue!

[vee4xu]

It has been 731 days since OSU last beat Michigan. (With last years win being vacated) Hoke ties the second best record in the Big 10 and has a shot at a BCS bowl...I will take that for a first year coach.

It's a stretch, but if that works for you then go with it. Just because the NCAA pretends that the win didn't happen doesn't mean it didn't. But again, whatever you need to help you feel better about a decade of dominance.

[vee4xu]

Ha! It's great how the win is lessened because ohio is now "shitty" but for the last three years even when we were atrocious their wins, for some reason, weren't lessened. I don't think I heard a single Michigan fan in that three year span say, "we lost but this game doesn't mean anything because we're shitty." It's really an interesting coping mechanism.

Believe it or not, our successes and failures are not measured in Wins and Losses to ohio. Yes, it sucked to lose so many in a row. Yes, during that time we were less than stellar. Yes, it always sucks to lose to a rival. Yes, I absolutely hate losing to ohio. But we're not back on track because we beat ohio as you suggest; you are not our measuring stick. To suggest otherwise is the height of egotism. No sir, we're back on track because we're 10-2 and going to a BCS bowl, with a monster recruiting class coming in right behind. Beating ohio is just the cherry on top of the sundae. If Michigan had gone 11-1 with the lone loss being to ohio, I'd still think this team is back on track.

Enjoy 6-6. Enjoy dealing with the ramifications of your "Failure to Monitor" charge. I don't like to gloat, because its petty and doesn't serve a purpose. Not this time, though. The delusions of ohio fans have driven me to the brink of obnoxious fandom and beyond. For today and always: It's Great to Be A Michigan Wolverine. It's time to grow up kiddies, and learn to be graceful in defeat.

40-34 Go Blue!

So, let me get this straight, what you're suggesting is something opposite of the way you are acting in victory?

[boozehound]

Michigan 2 for the last 11, first year head coach, barely beat the 'shitty' bucks, but we back on track! Good luck with that!

This isn't a very good Michigan squad either. Since reading comprehension seems to be an issue here, I will restate: We are excited because our first year head coach led probably the least talented team in Michigan history to a 10-2 season, finished with a dominating win over Nebraska, and beat a far, far more talented OSU squad. He also has a top ranked recruiting class coming in, which suggests that the talent level is on the rise.


It's a stretch, but if that works for you then go with it. Just because the NCAA pretends that the win didn't happen doesn't mean it didn't. But again, whatever you need to help you feel better about a decade of dominance.

This is great. I'm not talking to you specifically here, Vee, but this post was an easy one to quote for effect.

Stop being buckeye fans for a minute and start being rational people.

1. Many Xavier fans love to give UC shit for their, far more minor, NCAA infractions under Huggins. How is what OSU did not worse? I don't want to hear a single comment ragging on UC or Huggins for rules violations from the OSU fans who are minimizing the issue with the "Tat 5". I don't know if you realized, but Failure to Monitor is kind of a big deal. I struggle understanding the mental juxtapositions that have to occur to minimize something like this while at the same time taking pride in Xavier doing things the right way and running a clean program.

2. How would you react if Michigan had been slapped with FTM? Many OSU fans had a field day with Michigan's recent minor violations for practicing too much. How is this not worse? How did you react to the Fab 5? Was it 'no big deal' and were their accomplishments still valid? What about Calipari's vacated Final 4's? Were those still good? Of course they weren't. The Fab 5 got everything they deserved. Calipari, IMHO, didn't because he personally skated on any punishment. OSU will probably get off pretty easy. Next time you are critisizing John Calipari for running a dirty program ask yourself how that is really any different from what OSU has been found guilty of? How would you react right now if it came out that the UK basketball team was doing the same things that the OSU football team was doing?

3. Multiple players, led by Terelle Pryor, got caught taking improper benefits. At a minimum that casts a shadow over the last few years. If you actually think about it, the benefits that Maurice Clarett, a key part of your last NC, alleges to have received are remarkably similar to the benefits that Pryor appears to be guilty of.

Many OSU fans would be having a fucking field day if this kind of shit happened to Michigan, or Dayton, or UC. It happens to OSU and it get's minimized? Principles are principles and they shouldn't be tailored to fit the situation.

[XULucho27]

So, let me get this straight, what you're suggesting is something opposite of the way you are acting in victory?

Indeed. For the most part ohio fans have been insufferable. Perhaps it's because they find their first loss in the series in a long time difficult to cope with; I don't know, I'm not going to try to analyze why they are the way they are.

There are, as always, exceptions and by no means is it an all-encompassing thing. My comments are mostly directed to those who, after just having lost, have to find several ways voice why it doesn't matter, while they'll be better, why we are still no good, why Michigan must stil suck because they barely beat a bad OSU team. But I understand fans will be fans, and will do what they feel is right after a Win or a Loss.

I've never liked ohio (obviously) but when we lose to them I'd just suck it up and say "oh well, next year, good game." There's always room for good natured ribbing and I'm not suggesting that everybody needs to be butterflies and rainbows all the time, it is after all a fierce rivalry. There is certainly room for smack talking back and forth. However, I reacted to what was said, in kind. So for now, yes, I'm going to be the smug a**hole that typifies the view ohio fans have of Michigan fans. I'm ok with it. For the first time in a long time I don't feel bad about rubbing it in. No worries though, I'll be back to my same rational, charming self in a few days.

Also, I still think we have a long way to go. This season was a step in the right direction, though. I also fully expect for next year's iteration of The Game to be as close if not closer with Michigan most likely going in as an underdog and losing. I'll still think we're going in the right direction, I'll still think this team is on it's way back and I'll, and if we lose, i'll say "oh well, next year, good game."

It was a hell of a game today, guys. I hope Urban and Hoke can make it competitive and close (with Michigan winning, of course) for years to come.

[94GRAD]

I can't wait for tUrban Meyer to come to Columbus. Bring that freakshow to Columbus. Hoke will eat him for lunch. He won't have Tebow and will probably resign after a bad year in Columbus.

Hoke took DickRod's players and won 10 games with em.....has got them to a BCS bowl. Saved this year's recruiting class and has the 1st or 2nd ranked recruiting class next year. Not too shabby. If you think tUrban will recruit in the Midwest like he did in Florida you are delusional. But, look at the kids he recruited at Florida....they suck right now.

I don't like either team, but to say Urban Meyer isn't a great coach is crazy. He won at Bowling Green. He won at Utah. He won at Florida. Florida sucks right now because he isn't coaching them.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Your genius Mattison get a big L if Braxton doesn't overthrow Posey. I love Boozehound and the high horse. Why don't you tell us why they took those banners down at Crisler arena?

[Snipe]

I sense some hostility between the fanbases here.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Your genius Mattison get a big L if Braxton doesn't overthrow Posey. I love Boozehound and the high horse. Why don't you tell us why they took those banners down at Crisler arena?

If he doesn't overthrow Posey 3 times when he had his defender beat by 3-4 steps and nothing but endzone in front of him. I'm indifferent....went to a buddy's house full of OSU fans with my X gear on to watch the game. Had a nice time. It was an entertaining game. But I'm kind of in the same ship as BJ on this one. I will add that I'm not looking forward to hearing OSU fan in about 5 years....oh, the humanity.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Bunch of people with little to no connection to either school arguing over OSU Michigan on a Xavier basketball forum. Can't make that shit up

[PMI]

Bunch of people with little to no connection to either school arguing over OSU Michigan on a Xavier basketball forum. Can't make that shit up

Your point? You don't have to go to a school to have a connection to it, first of all, and you're on a site for a team from a school without football. People are going to root for college football teams whether you approve or not. I grew up going to Michigan games and training camps every year. I have as much or more Michigan memorabilia, autographs and apparel as I do for any of my other teams, and never once stopped being a Michigan fan. I chose to go to Xavier and still root for Michigan. And now, I'm taking part in a discussion about the osu-Michigan game on this thread. So tell me what the issue is with this?

I guess everyone, other fans, writers, and commentators included, should leave the discussion to only those who have degrees from either university. Again, what is your point?

[boozehound]

Nice points PMI.

I definitely love Xavier more than Michigan, but I loved Michigan first. I am from Detroit and pretty much my entire family graduated from UM. I grew up rooting for Michigan.

I hate it when fans act like you have to have attended a particular University to be a fan of it. I'm sure we have a lot of great Xavier fans on this board who never attended XU. Do they not have enough of a connection to the school to root for the Muskies?

[boozehound]

Your genius Mattison get a big L if Braxton doesn't overthrow Posey. I love Boozehound and the high horse. Why don't you tell us why they took those banners down at Crisler arena?

I actually mentioned the Fab 5 as an example in one of my posts in this thread. Michigan basketball completely and totally got what they deserved, and it destroyed that program for 20 years. I don't consider any of their 'achievements' valid and I prefer not to even discuss that era in Michigan Basketball. Which is too bad because that team played some great basketball.

That was back when the NCAA actually had teeth and enforced punishments that were serious disincentives to breaking the rules. The Fab 5 scandal was in the early 1990's only a few short years after SMU got the death penalty. Somewhere along the line things changed and programs stopped getting serious punishments for rules infractions.

[xubrew]

Only Ohio State fans can come off a 6-6 season where they barely won that many and say that they'll win a national championship in five years, and call anyone who disagrees with them delusional. That is just pure gold.

Yes, Ohio State has won seven national titles....and one of them actually came after 1970. Notre Dame has won 14 national titles, and has actually won it twice since 1970. I guess that means they're going to win it twice in the next five years. After all, they had a better year than OSU this year. Now, if I were to come on here and say this, every Ohio State fan would say I was delusional, even though I'm using the same logic they are.

OSU's basketball team is on pace to win it before the football team does. That's not delusional. Maybe Ohio State will win it in football, but I don't see how anyone could go so far to say that it's all but guaranteed. Urban Meyer is a really good coach and he's walking in to a great situation, but the longest tenure he's had at a place is six years, and he was half way out the door long before he reached his sixth year. There is a better chance of Meyer not staying for five years than there is of Ohio State winning a national championship.

[blobfan]

Michigan fans rocking out to Journey's "Don't Stop Believin"

I think we can thank Glee for resurrecting that song.

[jhelmes37]

I think we can thank Glee for resurrecting that song.

That song has been played during RedWings games for years. Gets the crowd fired up; the Wolverines stole it. We don't know nothin bout no "Glee" up in these parts.

[xudash]

Only Ohio State fans can come off a 6-6 season where they barely won that many and say that they'll win a national championship in five years, and call anyone who disagrees with them delusional. That is just pure gold.

Yes, Ohio State has won seven national titles....and one of them actually came after 1970. Notre Dame has won 14 national titles, and has actually won it twice since 1970. I guess that means they're going to win it twice in the next five years. After all, they had a better year than OSU this year. Now, if I were to come on here and say this, every Ohio State fan would say I was delusional, even though I'm using the same logic they are.

OSU's basketball team is on pace to win it before the football team does. That's not delusional. Maybe Ohio State will win it in football, but I don't see how anyone could go so far to say that it's all but guaranteed. Urban Meyer is a really good coach and he's walking in to a great situation, but the longest tenure he's had at a place is six years, and he was half way out the door long before he reached his sixth year. There is a better chance of Meyer not staying for five years than there is of Ohio State winning a national championship.

Re Ohio State's season: probably safe to say it was a little tumultuous. Pryor's departure was appropriate, but obviously hurt the Buckeye's ability to compete. Heron and Posey's suspensions left a very young team to compete on both sides of the ball. An interim head coach to boot and the recipe was set for having an off year. I view this season in that regard. Ohio State rarely experiences seasons like this one. Besides, as has already been mentioned, a little more accuracy on Miller's part and yesterday's outcome is completely different. Michigan won - congratulations again to Michigan - but had the last 1st down attempt to Posey been on the mark Wolverine fans would be crying again. Is coulda, woulda relevant at all here: yes, for the simple reason that no one expected this game to go down to the wire, rivalry game or not.

Re Urban Meyer: Meyer's prior tenures have no bearing on what he MAY accomplish in Columbus in that regard. It's widely understood down here that he needed time off, partly to establish some balance in his life. Part of that included adjusting to the reality of the need to establish a strong coaching staff to allow for some balance. We'll see whether that becomes reality or not, assuming he truly does take the job. He burned both ends of the candle to accomplish what he accomplished at BGSU, Utah and Florida. I don't know how you do the math around a bet involving staying for five years versus winning a NC, but he's certainly more likely to stay for a long time if he does in fact find some balance and achieves success in Columbus.

Re bringing ND into this discussion: the direct point of bringing up the 7 national titles is to point out the overall standing of Ohio State's program in the sport. I don't like the mess that recently occurred; as a life long fan, I certainly want the Buckeyes to do things the right way. But Ohio State is about to reload in a big way. ND? ND in the modern era? Notre Dame has gotten its ass kicked in every BCS bowl it's ever made. In talking about the modern era here, Notre Dame does not belong in the conversation, especially since it hasn't seen a BCS bowl for a while now.

Re Ohio State + Urban Meyer: no one is delusional for thinking for or against Ohio State. I think I used the word. I detract it. But anyone who believes Urban Meyer + Ohio State is going to be a bust will probably be disappointed. I don't believe he would come back into coaching without being fully ready to make that move. Recruiting at Ohio State will get even better than it's been historically under Tressel. IF the rumors are true about Meyer and about Meyer assembling this great staff, then Ohio State is going to be a force.

That doesn't mean Michigan isn't becoming a force again. Talk about program attributes! The SEC, in particular, isn't going anywhere, but that doesn't mean that changes in the landscape won't come along to shift some outcomes in the near future. Ohio State, under a rejuvenated Meyer, will have as good a chance as any program to make it to the NC game and win it.

If you don't believe that, so be it.

[gladdenguy]

How do all the OLIEO fans feel today?

I feel great.

Garvin.....bring on tUrban!!!!!!!

[X-band '01]

I'm surprised Posey was allowed to come back considering he was suspended TWICE as opposed to the other "Tat 5." But it's fitting justice that O$U won a grand total of 0 games with him in the lineup this season.

Ohio State needs to take the rest of their punishment like men and accept a bid to the Little Caesar's Bowl against a worthy MAC opponent. After all, Gene Smith was adamant that Ohio State was going to accept a bowl bid this season. If the NCAA wants to have selective enforcement, let them say that this is the only invite Ohio State can accept.

[XULucho27]

Re Ohio State's season: probably safe to say it was a little tumultuous. Pryor's departure was appropriate, but obviously hurt the Buckeye's ability to compete. Heron and Posey's suspensions left a very young team to compete on both sides of the ball. An interim head coach to boot and the recipe was set for having an off year. I view this season in that regard. Ohio State rarely experiences seasons like this one. Besides, as has already been mentioned, a little more accuracy on Miller's part and yesterday's outcome is completely different. Michigan won - congratulations again to Michigan - but had the last 1st down attempt to Posey been on the mark Wolverine fans would be crying again. Is coulda, woulda relevant at all here: yes, for the simple reason that no one expected this game to go down to the wire, rivalry game or not.

Good stuff, Dash. I agree with you, for the most part, except for the above. If woulda, coulda, shoulda is relevant to the point of Braxton Miller not being accurate, then the same can be said about Michigan's defense. If they didn't have two defensive breakdowns where the corner bit on the double move and the safety was rolled to the opposite side of the play then you're talking about ohio having two TD's wiped away. Add the overturned TD for Michigan and you're looking at a rout going the other way. I highlight that just to point out why I really don't prescribe to the shoulda, woulda, coulda mentality. Tons of things can affect the outcome of the game and it can always be viewed both ways (although I really do understand your point, it's just my opinion that relative to this game it's irrelevant mainly because both teams could have made plays to blow the other out).

That being said, I for one thought it would be a close game. Fact is before Nebraska, Michigan didn't blow anybody out (save for Minnesota, but... I mean... they're Minnesota) but rather won by just hanging in games and making clutch plays. I expected more of the same during yesterdays game.

Re your other points concerning Meyer: I think you're absolutely right. I fully expect him to come in and turn ohio into a competitive program once again. He will also be a monster recruiter. Where I think I disagree is about recruiting in Florida and the south. He may have a pipeline and snag a player or two, but I don't think he will be able to recruit the top talent from the region consistently, hence his athletes will be of a lesser caliber than at Florida. That being said, he'll do a hell of a job. As you noted, he's rested, motivated, and really wants the job. It'll be interesting to see how he re-tools the current players to his system.

[XU 87]

Maybe Ohio State will win it in football, but I don't see how anyone could go so far to say that it's all but guaranteed. Urban Meyer is a really good coach and he's walking in to a great situation, but the longest tenure he's had at a place is six years, and he was half way out the door long before he reached his sixth year. There is a better chance of Meyer not staying for five years than there is of Ohio State winning a national championship.

Meyer has been very, very successful at each job he's had (relatively speaking when he was at Bowling Green). But if he stays 5 years, and wins two national championships like he did at Florida (and was in the running for a third), I suspect the Buckeye faithful will take that. Based on past history, he's going to have great success at OSU.

[vee4xu]

How do all the OLIEO fans feel today?

I feel great.

Garvin.....bring on tUrban!!!!!!!

I feel great too. I have 7 years of great feelings to draw upon and that can certainly last longer than a 6 point loss in Ann Arbor to a team that going in thought they would route OSU.

gg, I am happy your misery is over. For now!

[xudash]

How do all the OLIEO fans feel today?

I feel great.

Garvin.....bring on tUrban!!!!!!!

I feel great, too.

You and I have one thing exactly in common: we're positioned to run an option play every year, pitching to Xavier basketball once the football balloon has been popped.

[xubrew]

Re Ohio State + Urban Meyer: no one is delusional for thinking for or against Ohio State. I think I used the word. I detract it. But anyone who believes Urban Meyer + Ohio State is going to be a bust will probably be disappointed. I don't believe he would come back into coaching without being fully ready to make that move. Recruiting at Ohio State will get even better than it's been historically under Tressel. IF the rumors are true about Meyer and about Meyer assembling this great staff, then Ohio State is going to be a force.

That doesn't mean Michigan isn't becoming a force again. Talk about program attributes! The SEC, in particular, isn't going anywhere, but that doesn't mean that changes in the landscape won't come along to shift some outcomes in the near future. Ohio State, under a rejuvenated Meyer, will have as good a chance as any program to make it to the NC game and win it.

If you don't believe that, so be it.

I don't disagree that they have a CHANCE to win it. It wouldn't surprise me if they did win one. I just think that saying anyone is delusional for not expecting it is taking it to an absurd level.....which is something OSU fans have a tendency to do.

Lets just say that I wouldn't bet the farm on it. If those are your hopes, then fine. It's reasonable to think that OSU CAN win a national title. To say that they WILL, and to take it a step further and say that anyone who disagrees is delusional, that's crazy. Regardless of the reasons, they were 6-6. Most schools wouldn't be beating their chests and making crazy guarantees, but I guess we are talking about OSU fans here.

I don't know if you said it or not, but someone did.

[xubrew]

The funny thing is that to a person without a dog in the fight, Ohio State and Michigan fans couldn't be more alike. I'm sure many Michigan fans also fully expect to win it in the next five years, and will also view anyone who thinks otherwise as delusional.

[DC Muskie]

I don't disagree that they have a CHANCE to win it. It wouldn't surprise me if they did win one. I just think that saying anyone is delusional for not expecting it is taking it to an absurd level.....which is something OSU fans have a tendency to do.

Lets just say that I wouldn't bet the farm on it. If those are your hopes, then fine. It's reasonable to think that OSU CAN win a national title. To say that they WILL, and to take it a step further and say that anyone who disagrees is delusional, that's crazy. Regardless of the reasons, they were 6-6. Most schools wouldn't be beating their chests and making crazy guarantees, but I guess we are talking about OSU fans here.

I don't know if you said it or not, but someone did.

For someone who supposedly works in the university setting, it is very surprising that you would be shocked that fans, (short for fanatics) of a MAJOR college football program would guarantee winning a national title. It's not so much knowing who said it to you, because you want to point out that making a crazy guarantee is in and of itself crazy.

Thanks for that lesson. Ohio State isn't hiring Meyer to go at least 7-5 and they have played for three national titles in the past decade, so is it really that crazy to say that yes, in five years OSU will win a title? I mean is it that crazy that fanatics think like this?


Take a look at another MAJOR football program. 13 national titles and only two since 1980. In 2006 they went 6-6 and lost to their rivals. In 2007 they hired a new coach who won a national title at a division rival. Two years later they won the national title.

Do you think that Alabama fans were not guaranteeing a national title with Saban within five years?

Who cares what fans say? They are fans.

[xubrew]

I lived in Ohio for ten years. Being around OSU fans for that long will do that to a person.

I wasn't shocked. Geez, we're talking about Ohio State fans. Just because I thought it was crazy doesn't mean I was shocked. I didn't really care either. I just thought it was funny that Ohio State fans were proclaiming anyone who didn't think Ohio State would win a title in five years to be delusional.

[Snipe]

Just heard on the radio that Urban was going to Columbus. I guess they are making it official.

[X-band '01]

Yeah, it's kind of hard to enjoy Thanksgiving with your family when you have vultures in the media wanting to have the exclusive scoop on this story. Getting it overwith beforehand would have only made things doubly worse for Meyer and Ohio State.

[xudash]

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2011/11/28/report-urban-meyer-accepts-ohio-state.html?ed=2011-11-28&s=article_du&ana=e_du_pub

[PM Thor]

A friend said that Urban averaged one player arrest for very two wins while at Florida. Can anyone corroborate that?

I was a OSU fan, watched them but wouldn't call myself diehard. The past year has soured me greatly, and this hire has done nothing to make me feel better about their priorities up in Cbus.

I HATE dayton.

[X-band '01]

He got tired of Mark Richt and the UGA players dominating the police blotter. Remember Odell Thurman?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I am a Michigan so take this with a grain of salt. Remember, Urban will take over a team that will have to play through whatever the NCAA hands out for their "failure to monitor". My guess it will be in the range of what USC got. Yes they went 10-2 this year but they did so with tainted recruits.

OSU will have to play out their penelties and scholarship reductions before they can begin the rebuilding process.

It was posted before and I doubt the figure of 2 arrests per win is accurate but I do know that his last two years at Florida were littered with players who had legal issues.

[xu95]

I just remember tOSU fans complaining about how Meyer was a "cheater". I guess he is just their cheater now.

xu95

[XUglow]

I hope Urban's "drive" has improved. When he came back that last year with UF, he just didn't seem to care very much. Maybe he was trying to keep things on the calm side for his health, but if you want to compete at the very, very top, it takes great players, great coaches, and great intensity from all parties.

[chico]

If Meyer gets some good assistants he should be fine. Even having him at 85% of what he was will work if his assistants are good enough. He can concentrate on recruiting and running the game, and leave all the game planning stuff to the coordinators.

[X-band '01]

I just remember tOSU fans complaining about how Meyer was a "cheater". I guess he is just their cheater now.

xu95

He'll also be better at it than Tressel, err, he'll be a good coach for Ohio State.

[XULucho27]

Report: NCAA gives Ohio State bowl ban for 2012 (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33970324)

From the article:


The NCAA also found Ohio State's offer of giving up five scholarships over three years inadequate, and will require that the Buckeyes give up nine scholarships over that period instead.


Tressel was also given a show-cause penalty, according to the Dispatch, although it was not specified how long Tressel's punishment will last. The "show-cause" label means that the NCAA considers Tressel a serious offender, and any NCAA school interested in employing Tressel must show why it does not deserve sanctions for doing so.

Heavier than many expected. I've heard that the NCAA has never given a bowl ban as a sanction on a "Failure to Monitor" charge.

[DC Muskie]

When are they going to fire Smith and Gee? Jesus, Smith couldn't handle this any worse and Gee just sits there and hopes the football coach doesn't fire him.

[X-band '01]

What's hilarious (and not surprising at all) is Smith acting shocked that Ohio $tate could never be considered for a bowl ban. Had they just taken their medicine this year and opted out of their bowl game, they could have just devoted all their time for recruiting as opposed to embarrassing themselves again in front of an SEC team and crowd.