"JoePa"

[xsteve1]

He will not coach again. A sad way for him to end his career. I wonder how long he'll live or will he go the way of "Bear" Bryant.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-abuse

[xavierj]

The scene from State College is unreal and scary at the same time. This thing could get ugly.

[bobbiemcgee]

Loved JoePa. Shouldn't have ended this way for him, but the Trustees really had no other recourse. Sick, sick, disgusting events.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Shouldn't have ended this way for him, but the Trustees really had no other recourse. Sick, sick, disgusting events.

Totally agree. There will be outrage in Happy Valley, but the backlash had they allowed him to stay would have been insurmountable and not worth it. You quickly weigh the pros and the cons of letting him stay and its affect on your university, it doesn't take long to realize what had to be done.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Holy shit...Just turned it on.

They think there's evidence of at least 9 more victims of Sandusky

[PMI]

It is truly amazing to think of how much damage has been caused due to Jerry Sandusky's depraved sickness, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. He is the very definition of a monster.

[Nigel Tufnel]

It is truly amazing to think of how much damage has been caused due to Jerry Sandusky's depraved sickness, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. He is the very definition of a monster.

Yep....and he's getting the least amount of media attention....for now. His day is coming.

Think about this...if the school had kept JoePa for the rest of the season, after this weekend, PSU's final two games are on the road....@OSU and @Wisky. Could you imagine what those fans would have done to JoePa? Can you imagine all the protests outside the Horseshoe and Camp Randall? And both games I'm sure will be on national tv. Talk about FUGLY.

JoePa's announcement that he would retire at season's end make me think one of two things: 1) he is so senile and out of touch with reality that he didn't understand the enormity of what has happened the last couple of days; or 2) he is such an egomaniac that he thought he was above this, knew the seriousness, but thought he could dictate his own terms on his departure.

So which one is it?

[smileyy]

Loved JoePa. Shouldn't have ended this way for him, but the Trustees really had no other recourse. Sick, sick, disgusting events.

Well, he certainly had a lot of years to make this have a different outcome. No sympathy. He should be living every day in shame, thinking about how he failed so many.

[smileyy]

Think about this...if the school had kept JoePa for the rest of the season


Worse than the scenario you laid out is the 100,000 people cheering an enabler of a child rapist this weekend at Beaver Stadium. Would have been disgusting.


2) he is such an egomaniac that he thought he was above this, knew the seriousness, but thought he could dictate his own terms on his departure.


This.

I wouldn't be surprised if he used the Sandusky cover-up as leverage to keep his job a few years ago.

[PMI]

Yep....and he's getting the least amount of media attention....for now. His day is coming.

Think about this...if the school had kept JoePa for the rest of the season, after this weekend, PSU's final two games are on the road....@OSU and @Wisky. Could you imagine what those fans would have done to JoePa? Can you imagine all the protests outside the Horseshoe and Camp Randall? And both games I'm sure will be on national tv. Talk about FUGLY.

JoePa's announcement that he would retire at season's end make me think one of two things: 1) he is so senile and out of touch with reality that he didn't understand the enormity of what has happened the last couple of days; or 2) he is such an egomaniac that he thought he was above this, knew the seriousness, but thought he could dictate his own terms on his departure.

So which one is it?

Purely speculation, but I think it's possible it could be a mix of both. The guy has been there for 60 years and is a deity in State College. He's been treated like a king for so long, and has grown so old and established in that role, that it's only natural he might actually believe that he's larger than life. And is he wrong? I'm guessing his thinking was that since he hasn't been legally found to have done anything wrong, and given his history, that he was going to be able to go out in a more dignified matter. That is probably a mix of arrogance, somewhat understandably created by years of being JoPa, and being a bit out of touch with reality, created by years of growing old in a bubble where he is worshiped.

Emotions and pedigree aside, it is completely unrealistic that a coach could survive this kind of scandal at all, much less decide his own fate and leave with dignity. But after 60 years of running a program that hasn't gotten a parking ticket, being convinced that he isn't as guilty as the public and media see his as, and being 84 years old, I have to believe that he believed he could really just finish the season on his own terms. There are many factors that could cloud his view of reality in this unbelievably surreal circumstance.

But who the hell knows.

[smileyy]

3 words: "Success with Honor"
1 word: "Hypocrisy"

[pizza delivery]

Everybody has to go, and when they're gone, others should keep going for good measure.

You know who has to be completely horrified? Sandusky's wife. I pray for her - and for him, he needs it. Everyone needs it right now. Especially, dear God, the victims.

The mention of football surrounding these circumstances makes me sick. "Go Penn State!" Get a grip people.

[danaandvictory]

You know who has to be completely horrified? Sandusky's wife.

It is extraordinarily difficult for me to believe that she lived with the man for decades while he molested dozens of victims and didn't at least have suspicions.

[pizza delivery]

It is extraordinarily difficult for me to believe that she lived with the man for decades while he molested dozens of victims and didn't at least have suspicions.

Yeah, especially since, I think, there had been accusations in 1998 or 1999, which he beat somehow - I'm not sure the whole story. Maybe she went on believing it wasn't true, but damn, he had kids with him quite often, but mostly alone according to the accusations.

[XU 87]

Well, he certainly had a lot of years to make this have a different outcome. No sympathy. He should be living every day in shame, thinking about how he failed so many.

You may be right. However, have you heard Paterno's side of the story yet?

I have read article after article condemning the guy. But I still haven't heard his version. And neither has anyone else to my knowledge.

[ballyhoohoo]

people who let sport allegiances drive their moral compass and social value live a sad existence. Some fans fail to see flaws. and those who live through there sports teams are truly lacking, be it personal relationships, hobbies, or well rounded lives. sports are just a game and when we idolize someone for athletic skill and not humane qualities we are doomed through our idols

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

This is just the tip of the iceberg

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
This is a deadly serious matter. Keep the victims in your thoughts. Cannot emphasize that enough. In your thoughts.
9 hours ago
SPORTSbyBROOKS
SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.
9 hours ago
SPORTSbyBROOKS
SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday

[An X Fan]

This is just the tip of the iceberg

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
This is a deadly serious matter. Keep the victims in your thoughts. Cannot emphasize that enough. In your thoughts.
9 hours ago
SPORTSbyBROOKS
SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.
9 hours ago
SPORTSbyBROOKS
SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday

Perhaps this?

SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky 'Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors'

http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11

Keep in mind this is a rumor. But Mark Madden has more long term knowledge than most (see link in the article). I'm going to be sick.

[Ledgewood]

It is extraordinarily difficult for me to believe that she lived with the man for decades while he molested dozens of victims and didn't at least have suspicions.

I've listened to plenty enough Dr. Drew to learn that someone who marries someone who is an egregious child molester like Sandusky is no doubt flawed themselves in someway in order to be attracted to them and that they were probably victimized themselves when they were younger. As far as Sandusky needing help himself, it is far too late. He just needs to be removed from society.

Child molestation is a terrible and strange cycle. It's terrible because when someone's wires are crossed at a yonug age due to child molestation, it is VERY likely that they'll do the same thing to children when they're older. It's a strange thing because when they are young and victimized it is terribly sad. But when they get older, they are the one's doing the victimizing.

Bad times.

[Ledgewood]

Perhaps this?

SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky 'Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors'

http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11

Keep in mind this is a rumor. But Mark Madden has more long term knowledge than most (see link in the article). I'm going to be sick.

Oh geeeeezuz. Can we just kill this guy without a trial?

Everyone who said "this is going to get worse before it gets better" or something like that was sadly dead nuts on. Fuck.

[nkymuskie]

I just can't believe they fired him over the phone. Joe Pa screwed up big time by not doing more but he DEVOTED his life to that school. He deserved a little more than a phone call telling him your fired. He's been at the school since 1950. My parents were 15 years away from being born when he started at PSU.

Regardless this is a terrible situation for all involved whether its the victims or Joe Pa and the university. I pray that Sandusky makes it to jail. He won't stand a chance.

[BlueGuy]

I just can't believe they fired him over the phone

Seriously?!?! If he looked the other way, he deserves to rot in hell. Everything he's done in his live will forever be overshaddowed if he was involved in this coverup. The irony is if he had picked up the phone 9 years ago he would have been a hero.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Perhaps this?

SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky 'Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors'

http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11

Keep in mind this is a rumor. But Mark Madden has more long term knowledge than most (see link in the article). I'm going to be sick.

Wow. Just disgusting if true

[boozehound]

Oh geeeeezuz. Can we just kill this guy without a trial?

Everyone who said "this is going to get worse before it gets better" or something like that was sadly dead nuts on. Fuck.

Damn right. Although I kind of hope he makes it to jail and gets brutally assaulted in prison for the rest of his life.


I just can't believe they fired him over the phone. Joe Pa screwed up big time by not doing more but he DEVOTED his life to that school. He deserved a little more than a phone call telling him your fired. He's been at the school since 1950. My parents were 15 years away from being born when he started at PSU.

Regardless this is a terrible situation for all involved whether its the victims or Joe Pa and the university. I pray that Sandusky makes it to jail. He won't stand a chance.

Are you kidding? You're kidding, right? By 'deserves more' you mean that he also deserves a brutal beating for covering for this monster for so long, right?

I'm pretty sure if you start driving now you can make it to happy valley in time for tonight's 'save JoePa' rally/riot.

[nkymuskie]

Seriously?!?! If he looked the other way, he deserves to rot in hell. Everything he's done in his live will forever be overshaddowed if he was involved in this coverup. The irony is if he had picked up the phone 9 years ago he would have been a hero.

I believe he reported it to the University President but that's where the reporting ended. It was an unbelievable institutional failure. Should he have reported it to the police? ABSOLUTELY!! But he made a mistake along with many many other people. I just feel like a phone call was a little low for someone who devoted his life to that place. It will be interesting to see if we ever find out how much Joe Pa actually knew.

PS I was typing that previous post as the link to the most recent rumor came out. PSU is in a world of trouble. I have no situation to compare this too in my 20 years of life.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Sounds like that article An X Fan linked is gaining a lot of momentum. It would explain the mysterious SportsbyBrooks tweets from last night.

So Sandusky used his charity to pimp out young boys to rich donors? Just disturbing if true

[boozehound]

I believe he reported it to the University President but that's where the reporting ended. It was an unbelievable institutional failure. Should he have reported it to the police? ABSOLUTELY!! But he made a mistake along with many many other people. I just feel like a phone call was a little low for someone who devoted his life to that place. It will be interesting to see if we ever find out how much Joe Pa actually knew.

PS I was typing that previous post as the link to the most recent rumor came out. PSU is in a world of trouble. I have no situation to compare this too in my 20 years of life.

When your mistake results in kids getting molested then it is more than just a mistake.

I don't know why people are so enamored with JoePa that they want to give him a pass for facilitating child molestation.

He knew about Sandusky and yet he went along with the administration not reporting it to the police, and then sat idly by while Sandusky continued to run his 'camp' and was a fixture around Penn State's campus.

I liked JoePa. Then this information came out. F that guy. Just having his reputation tarnished isn't neary enough. How many lives have been ruined by his silence. It turns out Paterno isn't who anybody thought he was. What a coward.

[xsteve1]

Perhaps this?

SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky 'Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors'

http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11

Keep in mind this is a rumor. But Mark Madden has more long term knowledge than most (see link in the article). I'm going to be sick.

That almost seems too impossible to be true. I hope its false. Is there that many sickos and pedophiles in this world and how could they cover that up?

[boozehound]

That almost seems too impossible to be true. I hope its false. Is there that many sickos and pedophiles in this world and how could they cover that up?

I tend to agree with you. It seems hard to believe that something like that could be going on. If it is true they should line all these guys up and shoot them.

[pizza delivery]

Joe Paterno probably knew all about the details, he is king of Penn State. The Grand Jury report states that the grad assistant told in detail what happened. There was no unclear terms about what happened. It was a rape. Listening to the guy who's dropped the rumor about pimping boys to rich donors, he makes a convincing case that this was all a big coverup. Sandusky was forced to retire in exchange for the cover up. Sandusky's Second Mile foundation was procuring young boys, it is diabolical to the degree. It reminds me of the way the most horrifying serial killers have operated. If this is all true, we are in for one of the biggest, ugliest stories in American history. The profile of the people involved is what makes it so. Unfortunately, the scale and scope of this type of activity is real and present everywhere in society today. However, maybe with the attention this is getting, the investigators can dig in all the way to the bottom of this.

[chico]

You may be right. However, have you heard Paterno's side of the story yet?

I have read article after article condemning the guy. But I still haven't heard his version. And neither has anyone else to my knowledge.

You're right that nobody's heard Paterno's side yet but you'd have to be naive to think he didn't know what was going on. Happy Valley is a small community and Paterno was the king. Give the guy his day in court before condemning him, sure, but I think it's a pretty safe assumption he know what Sandusky was up to. Maybe not every detail, but certainly enough to warrant following through.

I do agree that the mob mentality against Paterno by people on this board is a little unsettling.

If all this stuff us true - and I pray to God this most recent rumor is not - it has to be one of the most horrific stories I've ever heard. It's one of those things you just can't conjure in your wildest imagination.

[boozehound]

You're right that nobody's heard Paterno's side yet but you'd have to be naive to think he didn't know what was going on. Happy Valley is a small community and Paterno was the king. Give the guy his day in court before condemning him, sure, but I think it's a pretty safe assumption he know what Sandusky was up to. Maybe not every detail, but certainly enough to warrant following through.

I do agree that the mob mentality against Paterno by people on this board is a little unsettling.

If all this stuff us true - and I pray to God this most recent rumor is not - it has to be one of the most horrific stories I've ever heard. It's one of those things you just can't conjure in your wildest imagination.

He reported a the molestation of a child to the AD but did not report to the police, never followed up, and continued to work with Sandusky for a time afterward. These are facts that nobody is disputing. I don't think we need to wait for a trial to say that Paterno is a scumbag.

[Ledgewood]

I tend to agree with you. It seems hard to believe that something like that could be going on. If it is true they should line all these guys up and shoot them.

It doesn't seem impossible to me, just really horrible.

Side note, I don't understand the people that say they are 100% against the death penalty. I would make the argument that it's much more cruel and unusual to lock someone up and make them suffer for the rest of their existence. And whats with people saying no one should have the right to end someone else's life ever no matter what, but they have no problem giving themselves the right to lcok them up and make them suffer a in a cage until they die 30 years later? It'd be much more efficient and humane to all parties involved to quickly and quietly remove them from this earth. I'm not saying tie their corpse up to a Ford and drag them through town like our Middle-Eastern neighbors would do to a former dictator, just quietly get rid of them. I also dread the thought of spending millions and millions of taxpayer's money putting this guy through a trial and then putting him up in a cell for thirty year, especially in these chaotic economic times.

[pizza delivery]

You're right that nobody's heard Paterno's side yet but you'd have to be naive to think he didn't know what was going on. Happy Valley is a small community and Paterno was the king. Give the guy his day in court before condemning him, sure, but I think it's a pretty safe assumption he know what Sandusky was up to. Maybe not every detail, but certainly enough to warrant following through.

I do agree that the mob mentality against Paterno by people on this board is a little unsettling.

If all this stuff us true - and I pray to God this most recent rumor is not - it has to be one of the most horrific stories I've ever heard. It's one of those things you just can't conjure in your wildest imagination.

Did you read the Grand Jury report? Heck, even if he didn't know it was rape, he still knew it was fondling and horseplay in the shower! C'mon! Joe Paterno failed and it is right that he will not coach for Penn State anymore. He WILL have his day in court, but it will never change that he helped cover up this case. He's got to go.

[nkymuskie]

Being a dumb young naive college student I looked at this totally the wrong way. I couldn't get past the emotion of letting go of the all time winningest (spell check says its a word) coach being let go as he was. I didn't take the moment to step back and look at the bigger picture. I don't have the just general life experience / quick rational mature thinking that a lot of y'all have. I didn't mean to come over as so thoughtless, I just didn't come to realization to the bigger picture as quickly as others.

This is just an entirely F'd up situation. I really don't think the college students at PSU were purposely overlooking the victims. They were caught in the emotion of being young and dumb college students protesting something they didn't agree with without taking a step back in the grander scheme of things. You can't tell me that you have never done or said something stupid in the heat of the moment that you regretted in days, months, or years later.

[LA Muskie]

Joe Paterno probably knew all about the details, he is king of Penn State. The Grand Jury report states that the grad assistant told in detail what happened. There was no unclear terms about what happened. It was a rape. Listening to the guy who's dropped the rumor about pimping boys to rich donors, he makes a convincing case that this was all a big coverup. Sandusky was forced to retire in exchange for the cover up. Sandusky's Second Mile foundation was procuring young boys, it is diabolical to the degree. It reminds me of the way the most horrifying serial killers have operated. If this is all true, we are in for one of the biggest, ugliest stories in American history. The profile of the people involved is what makes it so. Unfortunately, the scale and scope of this type of activity is real and present everywhere in society today. However, maybe with the attention this is getting, the investigators can dig in all the way to the bottom of this.

Jo had to go. At minimum he is the Bishop who kept everything quiet to protect the church.

What shocks me is that the "grad assistant" is still on the job. He was 28 yr old. A grown man. And his reaction is to go home, talk to his daddy, and call JoePa with his daddy THE NEXT DAY it??? Where's the immediate 911 call. Hell, have you seen the guy? Where's the immediate beat-down?

Despicable. He went to JoePa because JoePa was mayor, sheriff, judge and jury in Happy Valley. And In response, JoePa put Happy Valley above every one of those poor kids.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

It doesn't seem impossible to me, just really horrible.

Side note, I don't understand the people that say they are 100% against the death penalty. I would make the argument that it's much more cruel and unusual to lock someone up and make them suffer for the rest of their existence. And whats with people saying no one should have the right to end someone else's life ever no matter what, but they have no problem giving themselves the right to lcok them up and make them suffer a in a cage until they die 30 years later? It'd be much more efficient and humane to all parties involved to quickly and quietly remove them from this earth. I'm not saying tie their corpse up to a Ford and drag them through town like our Middle-Eastern neighbors would do to a former dictator, just quietly get rid of them. I also dread the thought of spending millions and millions of taxpayer's money putting this guy through a trial and then putting him up in a cell for thirty year, especially in these chaotic economic times.

IMO, Prison is a much better punishment than death for a child rapist/abuser. Most Prisoners, as horrible as they are, have kids and will take it upon themselves to punish pedophiles in cruel ways(Even murder in some cases)...

Here's an older article about it

'Prison is a living hell for pedophiles'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90004

"If you take out a sex offender like this former priest in Massachusetts, maybe the person who took him out thought he'd make a name of himself," said Margot Bach, a spokeswoman for California Department of Corrections. "Taking [a pedophile] out would gain [the killer] a lot more respect among the other inmates."

[LA Muskie]

It doesn't seem impossible to me, just really horrible.

Side note, I don't understand the people that say they are 100% against the death penalty. I would make the argument that it's much more cruel and unusual to lock someone up and make them suffer for the rest of their existence. And whats with people saying no one should have the right to end someone else's life ever no matter what, but they have no problem giving themselves the right to lcok them up and make them suffer a in a cage until they die 30 years later? It'd be much more efficient and humane to all parties involved to quickly and quietly remove them from this earth. I'm not saying tie their corpse up to a Ford and drag them through town like our Middle-Eastern neighbors would do to a former dictator, just quietly get rid of them. I also dread the thought of spending millions and millions of taxpayer's money putting this guy through a trial and then putting him up in a cell for thirty year, especially in these chaotic economic times.

The problem with the death penalty is human fallibility. Judges and juries make mistakes. A wrongly convicted person is one thing. A wrongly killed person is another. The former can ultimately be remedied. The latter cannot.

[Ledgewood]

IMO, Prison is a much better punishment than death for a child rapist/abuser. Most Prisoners, as horrible as they are, have kids and will take it upon themselves to punish pedophiles in cruel ways(Even murder in some cases)...

Here's an older article about it

'Prison is a living hell for pedophiles'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90004

"If you take out a sex offender like this former priest in Massachusetts, maybe the person who took him out thought he'd make a name of himself," said Margot Bach, a spokeswoman for California Department of Corrections. "Taking [a pedophile] out would gain [the killer] a lot more respect among the other inmates."

I mean yeah, it'd be nice to have them suffer some. I was more so blowing hard against people who are against the cruelty of the death penalty. I would love this guy to just die, one way or the other. And I don't wanna waste a ton of money just so he can get the shit beat out of him in prison.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I mean yeah, it'd be nice to have them suffer some. I was more so blowing hard against people who are against the cruelty of the death penalty. I would love this guy to just die, one way or the other. And I don't wanna waste a ton of money just so he can get the shit beat out of him in prison.

True. Definitely see that point of view too - especially if you're a victim or related to the victim

[Ledgewood]

The problem with the death penalty is human fallibility. Judges and juries make mistakes. A wrongly convicted person is one thing. A wrongly killed thing is another. The former can ultimately be remedied. The latter cannot.

I totally agree. That's why I want DNA evidence used more and I'd rather the whole thing be decided by a MRI lie detector. These things are virtually infallible. And when there is this kind of evidence being built up on a guy like Sandusky and it's not even a question, why not just put a quick bullet in his dome? How much does a .22 cost? A quarter?

[pizza delivery]

DaveTelep Dave Telep
Say this out loud, see if it makes sense: Jerry Sandusky is out on bail.


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[chico]

Did you read the Grand Jury report? Heck, even if he didn't know it was rape, he still knew it was fondling and horseplay in the shower! C'mon! Joe Paterno failed and it is right that he will not coach for Penn State anymore. He WILL have his day in court, but it will never change that he helped cover up this case. He's got to go.

Of course he had to go. I'm not disputing that. All I'm saying is give the man his say before condemning him. Not to get preachy - even though I probably am - I'd just rather pray for the victims than spew venom about Paterno. I guess I'm more saddened by Paterno's inaction than angry. I'm angry at Sandusky.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

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Is there anyway to keep Sandusky under close supervision? In case people want him gone or Maybe suicide watch? Wouldn't want him to disappear or die before any trial, especially if the stories of him being the middle man to these donors are true

[xavierj]

I went to a Penn State football camp in high school and Jerry Sandusky was heavily involved. now that I think back on it he was always in the dorm areas where we were staying and even took us to the gym to play basketball at one point. I went to other camps and you would rarely see coaches after camp. Most of the time you were being watched after by college students and managers. Jerry seemed to spend a lot of time around the campers, although at the time it seemed kind of cool that one of the nations most known defensive coordinators took an interest in us. Now it seems kind of creepy.

[pizza delivery]

BowTieCEO Chad Williamson
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - MLK, Jr.
12 hours ago
Retweeted by Ken_Rosenthal

Prescient.

[pizza delivery]

Of course he had to go. I'm not disputing that. All I'm saying is give the man his say before condemning him. Not to get preachy - even though I probably am - I'd just rather pray for the victims than spew venom about Paterno. I guess I'm more saddened by Paterno's inaction than angry. I'm angry at Sandusky.

He had his say, he said he knew about fondling and touching. It took 5 days to fire him. The people in State College are/were tone def on this issue. I don't think it's a mob mentality that can discern that Paterno is very culpable in all this. Glad he's gone.

[Ledgewood]

I went to a Penn State football camp in high school and Jerry Sandusky was heavily involved. now that I think back on it he was always in the dorm areas where we were staying and even took us to the gym to play basketball at one point. I went to other camps and you would rarely see coaches after camp. Most of the time you were being watched after by college students and managers. Jerry seemed to spend a lot of time around the campers, although at the time it seemed kind of cool that one of the nations most known defensive coordinators took an interest in us. Now it seems kind of creepy.

When I was a yonugster at St. Brendan Elementary School, we had a totally gay priest. Like, really flamboyant. But us kids just thought he was the fun priest. He never did anything bad that anyone knows about, but thinking about him now, it's very obvious that he was a gay man.... That's why these kids allow themselves to get victimized. They just don't understand the things that would freak us out now and that we'd see as inappropraite.

[pizza delivery]

When I was a yonugster at St. Brendan Elementary School, we had a totally gay priest. Like, really flamboyant. But us kids just thought he was the fun priest. He never did anything bad that anyone knows about, but thinking about him now, it's very obvious that he was a gay man.... That's why these kids allow themselves to get victimized. They just don't understand the things that would freak us out now and that we'd see as inappropraite.

Even less so, if you're a kid that needs a foundation like the Second Mile to support you in your youth.

[Ledgewood]

Even less so, if you're a kid that needs a foundation like the Second Mile to support you in your youth.

Shoot, good point.

Holy piss what a low-life, diabolical predator. This is just the worst thing. I mean he went after kids he already knew were damaged, making it easier to make his sick move. Alright, where are the Boondock Saints???? Get on this one fast.

[Mrs. Garrett]

JoePa should have spent everyday of his life wondering why Sandusky was not in prison. He clearly did not do enough in this case. The entire university is at fault for not doing more and JoePa is included.

I know this will never happen, but they should shut down the football program for a while. Football should not stand in the way of morals. In this case the reputation of the football program was more important than the safety of children. And now their entire university looks worse than it would have if they just done the right thing in the first place.

[LA Muskie]

Of course he had to go. I'm not disputing that. All I'm saying is give the man his say before condemning him. Not to get preachy - even though I probably am - I'd just rather pray for the victims than spew venom about Paterno. I guess I'm more saddened by Paterno's inaction than angry. I'm angry at Sandusky.
Nobody is stopping JoePa from telling his story. He's staying silent of his own accord.

[SixFig]

If I'm a parent of a kid who was in that "mini-riot" yesterday supporting Paterno, I am ashamed (and considering trying to get the kid out of Penn State)

[pizza delivery]

If they do play Saturday, I think everyone entering the game should get a transcript of the grand jury report because it seems that many times the first reaction for PSU fans is to think of this as just another scandal. It's not, and I believe they would realize this further if they read the report.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I just can't believe they fired him over the phone.

If JoePa would have just picked up a phone and called the police it would have never come to this.

[LA Muskie]

If I'm a parent of a kid who was in that "mini-riot" yesterday supporting Paterno, I am ashamed (and considering trying to get the kid out of Penn State)
If I'm a parent of a kid who is at Penn State, I am pulling them out no matter what. This is about more than Sandusky, JoePa and the football program. This is about an entire institution that put its own reputation above the lives of at least 27 kids (and likely many, many more). They knew enough to quietly fire the guy. And they stopped at that, knowing full well that it likely wouldn't stop him. And even then, they gave him a title, an office, and allowed him to use their camps for YOUTH CAMPS. Despicable. Utterly despicable. I wouldn't want my family even remotely affiliated with that place.

Anyone with even an inkling of knowledge should be fired and charged. And yes, that includes JoePa in my mind even though I have no doubt that he has made a positive impact on thousands over his 61 years.

[smileyy]

Being a dumb young naive college student I looked at this totally the wrong way. I couldn't get past the emotion of letting go of the all time winningest (spell check says its a word) coach being let go as he was. I didn't take the moment to step back and look at the bigger picture. I don't have the just general life experience / quick rational mature thinking that a lot of y'all have. I didn't mean to come over as so thoughtless, I just didn't come to realization to the bigger picture as quickly as others.


There's others with more life experience than a "naive college student" that _still_ haven't figured this part out and never will. That are so polarized in their hero worship that they can't see that their hero is no longer a hero.

You can argue that the entire PSU administration that dealt with this issue suffered from that problem.

[pizza delivery]

If I'm a parent of a kid who is at Penn State, I am pulling them out no matter what. This is about more than Sandusky, JoePa and the football program. This is about an entire institution that put its own reputation above the lives of at least 27 kids (and likely many, many more). They knew enough to quietly fire the guy. And they stopped at that, knowing full well that it likely wouldn't stop him. And even then, they gave him a title, an office, and allowed him to use their camps for YOUTH CAMPS. Despicable. Utterly despicable. I wouldn't want my family even remotely affiliated with that place.

Anyone with even an inkling of knowledge should be fired and charged. And yes, that includes JoePa in my mind even though I have no doubt that he has made a positive impact on thousands over his 61 years.

This isn't the first time that Penn State has been bigger than their own good. If you listen to this story (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/440/game-changer)about the shale oil in Pennsylvania, you'll find out that there is a lot of money flowing through Penn State and they're used to referring to themselves as experts.

[PMI]

This is all speculation on my part, but has anyone thought about the recent departure of the former basketball coach, Ed DeChellis? He left PSU, a big ten basketball program, to coach at Navy. Not exactly a parallel move, and at best, very uncommon. Perhaps the whole noble "leave the big boys for the pure academy" thing was too good to be true? If this was the major cover-up by the athletic department that it appears to be, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the basketball coach knew this was going to leak out, especially given that McQueary testified in 2010. Maybe it's far-fetched, but it may be possible that he knew of the potential that the annihilation of the athletic department (and school) was merely pending. My point isn't to target DeChellis by any means, but it's more just an open curiosity of how many people, and which ones, actually knew what had happened, and what was looming.

[BlueGuy]

If these rumors that Sandusky pimped these youths out for sex, then the university has even more serious problems (if that is even possible at this point). Among other things, I don't see the football program surviving.

[xavierj]

This isn't the first time that Penn State has been bigger than their own good. If you listen to this story (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/440/game-changer)about the shale oil in Pennsylvania, you'll find out that there is a lot of money flowing through Penn State and they're used to referring to themselves as experts.

Can we be sure that the mob is not running Penn State? Some of the things they are doing and have been doing seem similar to how crime families run. Maybe the McCreay cat feared for his life when he walked in on what he did. The university then made sure he stayed gainfully employed.

[pizza delivery]

Can we be sure that the mob is not running Penn State? Some of the things they are doing and have been doing seem similar to how crime families run. Maybe the McCreay cat feared for his life when he walked in on what he did. The university then made sure he stayed gainfully employed.

Yeah, it's looking very horrible at Penn State.

Read this piece about the 1999 retirement and other surrounding circumstances like the missing District Attorney who decided not to prosecute in 1998 when Sandusky was busted for showering with 2 boys, one of which is Victim 6 in this year's grand jury report. Connecting the dots further might suggest that there indeed is/was a ring of pedophiles in high places that looked out for each other, or got killed if they knew too much.

http://werebucked.com/2011/11/09/why-did-jerry-sandusky-retire-in-1999/

[pizza delivery]

a clip from the article, referencing 1999:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J_DmfVZf2f0/TrqR9NhvsiI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/I2fQ0YCfssA/s1600/Picture+5.png

[pizza delivery]

This is all speculation on my part, but has anyone thought about the recent departure of the former basketball coach, Ed DeChellis? He left PSU, a big ten basketball program, to coach at Navy. Not exactly a parallel move, and at best, very uncommon. Perhaps the whole noble "leave the big boys for the pure academy" thing was too good to be true? If this was the major cover-up by the athletic department that it appears to be, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the basketball coach knew this was going to leak out, especially given that McQueary testified in 2010. Maybe it's far-fetched, but it may be possible that he knew of the potential that the annihilation of the athletic department (and school) was merely pending. My point isn't to target DeChellis by any means, but it's more just an open curiosity of how many people, and which ones, actually knew what had happened, and what was looming.

Wow, interesting point. According to the Madden guy, who wrote about this story in April and stated the rumor about pimping today, the rumors have been around for anyone near by to hear about this. I'd say you're on to something here.

[danaandvictory]

This is all speculation on my part, but has anyone thought about the recent departure of the former basketball coach, Ed DeChellis?

That is a great point.

[LA Muskie]

Yeah, it's looking very horrible at Penn State.

Read this piece about the 1999 retirement and other surrounding circumstances like the missing District Attorney who decided not to prosecute in 1998 when Sandusky was busted for showering with 2 boys, one of which is Victim 6 in this year's grand jury report. Connecting the dots further might suggest that there indeed is/was a ring of pedophiles in high places that looked out for each other, or got killed if they knew too much.

http://werebucked.com/2011/11/09/why-did-jerry-sandusky-retire-in-1999/
Wow. Even when he was "pushed" out, he was given a full season to soften the blow. These people really were living in a very warped reality. Not a single one in the chain should be left there. Not a single one.

[pizza delivery]

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/gricars_nephew_on_1998_sandusk.html

The DA's nephew is out front defending his uncle, who had developed a "bitter taste" for Penn State and it's ways, before disappearing of course.

It's so odd that the DA had a confession from Sandusky in 1998, yet 6 weeks later the case was closed and nothing was done. Sandusky went on his way. Then the way Gricar disappeared still leaves a question as to whether he was killed (and why) or committed suicide.


EDIT: He also has a daughter, I thought he had no immediate family

[LA Muskie]

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/gricars_nephew_on_1998_sandusk.html

The DA's nephew is out front defending his uncle, who had developed a "bitter taste" for Penn State and it's ways, before disappearing of course.

It's so odd that the DA had a confession from Sandusky in 1998, yet 6 weeks later the case was closed and nothing was done. Sandusky went on his way. Then the way Gricar disappeared still leaves a question as to whether he was killed (and why) or committed suicide.


EDIT: He also has a daughter, I thought he had no immediate family

With every new detail, I get a sicker and sicker feeling...

[xubrew]

This is all speculation on my part, but has anyone thought about the recent departure of the former basketball coach, Ed DeChellis? He left PSU, a big ten basketball program, to coach at Navy. Not exactly a parallel move, and at best, very uncommon. Perhaps the whole noble "leave the big boys for the pure academy" thing was too good to be true? If this was the major cover-up by the athletic department that it appears to be, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the basketball coach knew this was going to leak out, especially given that McQueary testified in 2010. Maybe it's far-fetched, but it may be possible that he knew of the potential that the annihilation of the athletic department (and school) was merely pending. My point isn't to target DeChellis by any means, but it's more just an open curiosity of how many people, and which ones, actually knew what had happened, and what was looming.

I always attributed it to him building them from crap into a team that would contend for a spot in the tournament, and then not getting a raise. Maybe there is more to it, though.

Like you said, it's pure speculation, but it is also fair speculation.

[pizza delivery]

Gricar's older brother was from West Chester, OH and in 1996 was found dead in the Miami. His car was found near two bridges similar to the set up in Lewisburg where Gricar's car was found. It almost makes you think a savvy DA might have learned from his brother's, and others, case and staged his own death? Anyway, I hope to see an hour long TV show on this soon. I'm riveted.

[MADXSTER]

This is Life being way, way stranger than fiction.

I appreciate everyone's thoughts on the matter. I'm so dumbfounded.....can't fathom/comprehend the actions of so many involved. Utterly Sick.

If my kid was going to PSU, I would seriously consider pulling him out and sending him elsewhere. It's not one or a couple of incidents, it appears to be part of the acceptable culture at PSU.

[PMI]

I really feel for all the innocent Penn State students, alumni and fans. Their whole world has been turned upside down by this. I have best friends who are PSU alums. I've got a cousin who is an athlete there right now. They are devastated and furious. The program, and specifically, coach who they all loved and worshiped has been exposed in the worst way possible. Maybe the whole idea of holding itself to a higher standard was a bunch of bullshit coming from the Penn State program, but it's still something that so many good fans believed in, for the right reasons, and took pride in. I can't even imagine the nightmare they're going through. If this happened at Xavier after I'd spent my life believing they generally do things the right way, and all my years of passion and dedication and pride were struck down in a flash, I'd be truly heartbroken. What an unbelievable tragedy this whole thing is.

Obviously it's nothing compared to what the Sandusky victims are going through, but in a way, every good Penn State fan, alumnus and member of the community is a victim in this.

[XULucho27]

Obviously it's nothing compared to what the Sandusky victims are going through, but in a way, every good Penn State fan, alumnus and member of the community is a victim in this.

I kinda felt bad for the student body and Penn State supporters too (wouldn't go so far as to call them victims). Until they did this shit:

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4ebb5e5669bedd3755000020/penn-state-riot-van.jpg

I understand that not EVERY student and supporter was out there last night and that, in the grand scheme of things, these people are the minority and not representative of the community as a whole. Still, I don't feel much for these idiots. I feel awful only for the victims and their families.

[PMI]

I kinda felt bad for the student body and Penn State supporters too (wouldn't go so far as to call them victims). Until they did this shit:

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4ebb5e5669bedd3755000020/penn-state-riot-van.jpg

I understand that not EVERY student and supporter was out there last night and that, in the grand scheme of things, these people are the minority and not representative of the community as a whole. Still, I don't feel much for these idiots. I feel awful only for the victims and their families.

That's why I said the GOOD ones. If this shoe was on our foot, I'd be devastated. I know too many Penn State people not to feel for them. Their whole entire thing fell apart due to the most disgusting of circumstances. I don't give a shit about the handful of kids who knocked over the van. But a lot of innocent people suffer, most importantly, but not only the children and their families. I know not everyone's going to have much sympathy toward Penn State people, but I'm too close with some of them and understand how bad they feel, and know how I'd feel if this were Xavier. Anger, sadness, disgust, and a large empty feeling that there's not really a word for.

[X-band '01]

This is all speculation on my part, but has anyone thought about the recent departure of the former basketball coach, Ed DeChellis? He left PSU, a big ten basketball program, to coach at Navy. Not exactly a parallel move, and at best, very uncommon. Perhaps the whole noble "leave the big boys for the pure academy" thing was too good to be true? If this was the major cover-up by the athletic department that it appears to be, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the basketball coach knew this was going to leak out, especially given that McQueary testified in 2010. Maybe it's far-fetched, but it may be possible that he knew of the potential that the annihilation of the athletic department (and school) was merely pending. My point isn't to target DeChellis by any means, but it's more just an open curiosity of how many people, and which ones, actually knew what had happened, and what was looming.

Penn State was picked to finish near the bottom of the league this year - I just assumed that was why he got out of Dodge after getting the Nittany Lions to the NCAA Tournament last year.

We were also asking about the timing of Pat Kelsey's departure earlier this year when the Wake Forest rape scandal broke, although it became evident that both of those events were unrelated.

[vee4xu]

I was watching the board's presser last night on ESPN. Near the end someone from the press pool shouts: "How can you deny Coach Paterno an opportunity to finish his career with dignity?" Really? Are you kidding me? What about the dignity of 10 year old boys raped by a person who held their fragile trust? Wow, JoePa might as well be Jim Jones. Line up lemmings and take a nice big gulp of JoePa koolaid.

[smileyy]

I was watching the board's presser last night on ESPN. Near the end someone from the press pool shouts: "How can you deny Coach Paterno an opportunity to finish his career with dignity?"

That was likely a PSU student, as many of them had gained access to the press conference.

[Pablo's Brother]

That's why these kids allow themselves to get victimized. They just don't understand the things that would freak us out now and that we'd see as inappropraite.

I have a big problem with your logic. 10 year old boys do not "allow themselves to get victimized." You think the 10 year old asked for it? He acted "inappropriately?" Sandusky is (was) a predator. Rape victims of any sex or age do not "allow themselves" to get raped. They get raped period. It is not their fault and you cannot expect a 10 year old boy to act "appropriately." Should their parents tell them to watch out? Sure, however it was not the kid's fault. How would you feel it you that was your son? I have a 10 year old boy. If Sandusky did that to my son he would not have to worry about an “investigation” as I would get mid-evil on him.

[Ledgewood]

I have a big problem with your logic. 10 year old boys do not "allow themselves to get victimized." You think the 10 year old asked for it? He acted "inappropriately?" Sandusky is (was) a predator. Rape victims of any sex or age do not "allow themselves" to get raped. They get raped period. It is not their fault and you cannot expect a 10 year old boy to act "appropriately." Should their parents tell them to watch out? Sure, however it was not the kid's fault. How would you feel it you that was your son? I have a 10 year old boy. If Sandusky did that to my son he would not have to worry about an “investigation” as I would get mid-evil on him.

I'm not saying they asked for it, they just don't know how to act when something like this happens. Life has not prepared them for it. I'm damn sure not saying it's their fault. Young victims like this typically don't scream, scratch and claw and fight. I think you just got the wrong idea by the term "allowed themselves".. I didn't mean they were inviting or said yes, they just can't stop it and don't know how. I know he's a predator, and part of that was getting a bunch of troubled kids who would be much more likely to freeze and not resist when something horrible like this happens.

I'm not saying they could have stopped it, just that young people don't really get what sick fucks like Sandusky are doing. I'm not sure why you asked how I'd feel if it was my son. I'd want him shot dead, just like I have said a bunch of times already.

** and it is VERY different from person to person, and age is definitely a factor. People who are victimized at a young age tend to freeze when someone is doing it to them later i life. That is STILL rape and those people that do it should be held just as accountable. Young children, especially troubled youth that may have come from a dysfunctional family, also tend to freeze up when being victimized. Still rape, and still a horrible crime. A healthy woman that has never had anything happen to them when they were yonuger will tend to fight like HELL when someone is trying to do that to them later in life, so it tends to be much more violent when it happens to them.

[xavierj]

I have a 10 year old son and he loves espn. He was watching all of this unfold and had a million questions and we had a long talk. It's unfortunate that because of crap like this you can never be too careful.

[wkrq59]

There is so much about this that everybody appears to be missing in this feeding frenzy.
Having seen film clips of McCreary, who looks to be about 6-3 or 6-4, and big enough to put that pervert Jerry Sandusky on the ground, why the hell didn't he stop the guy from raping that boy? He ran home to his daddy and didn't tell Coach Paterno until the next day!!!
Each of us can speak with outrage about who knew what and what should have been done. We can all react in horror and disgust that Paterno did nothing but pass the buck upstairs. The whole mess makes me sick.
There are so damned many questions that have not been answered but there is one overwhelming one that should have been asked and answered in 98 or 99 when these first incidents allegedly occurred:
What the hell was Jerry Sandusky still doing around State College PA. and out of prison in 98 or 99 after the first accusations and what the hell was he still doing anywhere near kids in State College in 2002????
This is beyond the sphere of Penn State University, the president, the AD, the football coach or any of his staff. Where was the prosecuting attorney, the police chief and his entire staff, the state attorney general, ?????
State College Pa. is a small college town and very little goes on in a small town that "everybody" doesn't know about. Where were the mothers and fathers of the victims? Were they possibly paid to keep silent? Where were the physicians, social workers, psychiatrists, psychologists and doctors who are required by law to report such shit to the police or lose their licenses?
This is not a defense of Joe Paterno.
Having been to State College on several occasions to cover games I can understand how an entire town can be caught up in the fervor of a kingdom. I've seen the same atmosphere in Tallahassee, Fla., Oxford, Ohio, Columbus, Ohio, Gainesville, Fla., Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Auburn, Alabama, Lexington, Ky. Durham North Carolina, Chapel Hill North Carolina ad infinitum.
Sadly, this mess will not die and will be with us for more than a few years. And every time a football game is played and telecast out of Beaver Stadium, the color lines will include, "Somehow Penn State recovered from ..."
:(

[boozehound]

McQueery is a dirty ginger coward. He witnessed a child being raped and didn't try to stop it. To make matters worse he then went on to work with the same coaching staff that was responsible for the rape and subsequent cover up, while Sandusky raped more kids.

He should hang himself.

[XU 87]

I don't understand why McQueery has gotten a pass on this entire episode. If the AD and the other guy were indicted for not reporting a felony, why not McQueery?

[pizza delivery]

I think as the story unfolded it was this poor lowly grad assistant that scurried off to Paterno. The focus was taking down the big trees first. Now who's left? Well, it's his turn, and I believe I heard he's out today.

[pizza delivery]

For people worried about their kids, this may or may not be common knowledge to you all, but what Sankdusky did, rather, how he did it, was classic molester. What you need to look out for is the "grooming" process. If there is a 60 year old man, no matter if it's the president calling and saying he wants your son or daughter to meet with him, etc, your alarms should trigger. Sandusky, and all molesters, spend time trying to establish a friendly relationship with the kid's guardians. The parents often know and trust the person.

I can't explain it too well, but see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming


Child grooming refers to actions deliberately undertaken with the aim of befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, in order to lower the child's inhibitions in preparation for sexual activity with the child, or exploitation (such as child labour - see trafficking of children).

[pizza delivery]

A few more facts you should know:

Facts About Child Abuse

1)84 percent of prison inmates were abused as children.
2)One in three girls and one in five boys are sexually abused by an adult at some time during childhood. (Most sexual abusers are someone in the family or someone the child knows, not the proverbial stranger with a lollipop.)
3)Families with four or more children have higher rates of abuse and neglect, especially if their living conditions are crowded or they live in isolated areas.
4)More than 80 percent of abusers are a parent or someone close to a child. Child abuse is far more likely to occur in the child's home than in a day care center.
5)One in thirteen kids with a parent on drugs is physically abused regularly. (Drug and alcohol abuse in the family makes child abuse about twice as likely.)
6)One out of ten babies born today are born to mothers who are abusing drugs. Drinking and smoking heavily during pregnancy also endangers the health of unborn children.

[Ledgewood]

A few more facts you should know:

Facts About Child Abuse

1)84 percent of prison inmates were abused as children.
2)One in three girls and one in five boys are sexually abused by an adult at some time during childhood. (Most sexual abusers are someone in the family or someone the child knows, not the proverbial stranger with a lollipop.)
3)Families with four or more children have higher rates of abuse and neglect, especially if their living conditions are crowded or they live in isolated areas.
4)More than 80 percent of abusers are a parent or someone close to a child. Child abuse is far more likely to occur in the child's home than in a day care center.
5)One in thirteen kids with a parent on drugs is physically abused regularly. (Drug and alcohol abuse in the family makes child abuse about twice as likely.)
6)One out of ten babies born today are born to mothers who are abusing drugs. Drinking and smoking heavily during pregnancy also endangers the health of unborn children.

These are some disturbing facts. There was also a large study done not long ago that found that women who were abused as a child are 7 times more likely to be raped later in life than someone who wasn't. Part of the "freezing up" thing when someone is assaulting them I was talking abotu before. These sick fucks are creating lifetime victims. And if they don't get treated early and often then the cycle continues.

[xnatic03]

In regards to McQueary....it wouldn't matter to me if the person doing the abusing was a bodybuilder who would pulverize me. I would make sure that I got the child the hell out of there.
In regards to the people who defend McQueary as someone who did not want to lose his job or whatever, just starting out as a graduate assistant.....He was a grown man....28 YEARS OLD! You don't worry about your F---ING JOB WHEN A CHILD IS BEING RAPED!!!
I would have seen red and beaten that monster Sandusky into oblivion if I had seen something like that.
It makes me sick that people try to defend the actions JoePa and McQueary (hell, even McQueary's dad) took. Paul Pozluzny was interviewed yesterday and said that even while he was at Penn State (after the 2002 incident) that Sandusky was always on campus and at practice.
The whole situation is pathetic and sad. I hope the victims and their families find some sort of peace in all of this.

[Ledgewood]

In regards to McQueary....it wouldn't matter to me if the person doing the abusing was a bodybuilder who would pulverize me. I would make sure that I got the child the hell out of there.
In regards to the people who defend McQueary as someone who did not want to lose his job or whatever, just starting out as a graduate assistant.....He was a grown man....28 YEARS OLD! You don't worry about your F---ING JOB WHEN A CHILD IS BEING RAPED!!!
I would have seen red and beaten that monster Sandusky into oblivion if I had seen something like that.
It makes me sick that people try to defend the actions JoePa and McQueary (hell, even McQueary's dad) took. Paul Pozluzny was interviewed yesterday and said that even while he was at Penn State (after the 2002 incident) that Sandusky was always on campus and at practice.
The whole situation is pathetic and sad. I hope the victims and their families find some sort of peace in all of this.

I feel like I share the same sentiment. I know one could say you don't know how you'd act until you're in that situation, but I'd like to think that I wouldn't just panic and run away and call my dad. I'd like to think that I'd find the strength to break off a leg of a chair and crack the dudes skull.

Either way, no way this dude should still be working.

[MADXSTER]

It would not surprise me if there is a shit load more going on that will eventually come out. If the chief police is involved, the DA turns up missing, hard drive being ripped out, etc who knows.

Everyday that goes by, the darker this story becomes.