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[xuinmd]

I saw this topic on the mm board with little response. Should xavier remain joined at the hip with ud in conference affiliation? I do not see any advantage for us and do see negatives.

[waggy]

Should X turn down a conference invite that doesn't include Dayton? I guess that depends, but assuming this invitation would be to an attractive conference, the answer would be no.

[mccabest1]

Who gives a shit about dayton?

[stophorseabuse]

Who cares? I think we should do to them as they do to Wright St.

[Muskie1000]

Yes why would we care about Dayton... if I remember didn't they go and leave us and join UC in a conference for awhile?

[Xavier]

They should not decline an invite if UD does not get one- having said that, If Xavier gets invited to a conference I expect UD would as well.

[AdamtheFlyer]

They should not decline an invite if UD does not get one- having said that, If Xavier gets invited to a conference I expect UD would as well.

This is pretty much the answer.

Xavier and Dayton were a package deal when joining the A10, but in the last 16 years package deals have become extinct. If Texas A&M could leave the Big 12, nothing is concrete.

That said, the possibility of Xavier and Dayton not being in the same leagueis very small. Either they're going to stay in the A10, or the Big East hoops schools will be forced to swim in waters without their football daddies, and they will have to add multiple schools that do big basketball business. X and UD are the top non-football money schools outside of the current Big East. Any potential basketball driven league will turn to them first.

[xuinmd]

Sorry adam but ud is not nearly as high profile as x. I see no benefit to x for dragging ud along. ud did leave x high and dry when they joined the great midwest. I would rather see x quietly attempt to keep ud out of a new conference.

[vee4xu]

Not trying to be a smart guy here, but the fact is that Xavier can pretty much go wherever they want without anyone including dayton. On the other hand, dayton's options to move up to a better conference is very limited if left to their own record over the past 20 years. They could however benefit from riding X's coattails.

[nuts4xu]

dayton blows and ...

[Masterofreality]

dayton blows and ...

This.

Testify!!!!!!

[DC Muskie]

Sorry adam but ud is not nearly as high profile as x. I see no benefit to x for dragging ud along. ud did leave x high and dry when they joined the great midwest. I would rather see x quietly attempt to keep ud out of a new conference.

I'm not sure what Dayton did for itself over 20 years ago has anything to do with the current reality.

I hate Dayton. But man you have to respect their program. It's able to get people to care about it despite the fact they have one NIT championship the last 21 years.

I would be shocked if we ended up in a conference without Dayton. Remember we wouldn't be "dragging" them anywhere. The conference who wants us and decide they want Dayton will make that decision.

[vee4xu]

Since it's about money and ud fills its arena every single game, then I suspect you may be right DC. If it is strictly about basketball and having a program worthy of being in a top-tier conference, then maybe not so much for ud. I think it probably lies somewhere in the middle and there will be other choices (Temple and St. Joe's among them) who can boast both a great fan base and current success on the court.

[QueensbridgeMF]

Since it's about money and ud fills its arena every single game, then I suspect you may be right DC. If it is strictly about basketball and having a program worthy of being in a top-tier conference, then maybe not so much for ud. I think it probably lies somewhere in the middle and there will be other choices (Temple and St. Joe's among them) who can boast both a great fan base and current success on the court.

What makes St. Joes more atractive than Dayton other than Philly (which is negated y Temple or Nova in a possile realignment)? larger home gym, more support, after the run SJU made in 04 they haven't done much.

[xudash]

I'm not sure what Dayton did for itself over 20 years ago has anything to do with the current reality.

I hate Dayton. But man you have to respect their program. It's able to get people to care about it despite the fact they have one NIT championship the last 21 years.

I would be shocked if we ended up in a conference without Dayton. Remember we wouldn't be "dragging" them anywhere. The conference who wants us and decide they want Dayton will make that decision.

I agree with you DC.

Otherwise, a few clarifications to some other comments made here. Adam is misrepresenting how the A10 entry process came down. UD owes Xavier big-time for that transition, as Xavier arranged to have UD included in the invitation group.

Otherwise, holding a grudge against UD for pulling stakes years ago when it went to the Great Midwest or whatever is a waste of time.

If UD gets invited to any conference that Xavier joins, we'll have to presume that most of the invitation will be based on the specific merits of UD's program. They tend to live off their history, since they're certainly mostly unaccomplished now, but the elements that make up a program are in their favor.

[JAX 3758]

dayton blows and they can eat a bag of dicks.

a BIG ol' bag of dicks

[xu95]

Xavier and Dayton were NOT a package deal for the A10. Xavier was accepting an invite regardless. They just said "hey we know a pretty decent college that is looking for a home, why don't you give them a try".

Xavier will not turn down a bid to a conference because Dayton isn't invited.

xu95

[muethibp]

For the reasons identified here already, X and UD will likely be together for a long time. I know of no relatively likely scenario where X would be a target of a conference that wouldn't be looking for other basketball schools too, and UD is right behind - but definitely behind - X on that list.

[xuinmd]

I think it would be easy to name at least a half dozen programs between xavier and ud. For example in the a-10 richmond, st joseph, and perhaps rhody. Also ud suffers because it is often lumped in with miamii, toledo, kent, and bowling green.

[muethibp]

I think it would be easy to name at least a half dozen programs between xavier and ud. For example in the a-10 richmond, st joseph, and perhaps rhody. Also ud suffers because it is often lumped in with miamii, toledo, kent, and bowling green.

You're on Mars if you think a conference - the Big East, for example - would want St. Joes before UD.

[xuinmd]

Just using st joe as an example of one of the many programs between ud and x. I think nova would attempt to keep them out of any big east discussion. My main point is that I do not see any advantage to x trying to help ud into a better conference.

[Muskiefornia]

In no way is St. Joe's ahead of UD in any respect. And I FUCKING hate Dayton. The Delonte and Jameer ship sailed nearly a decade ago.

[XUFan09]

I don't think a lot of people realize that Dayton is a good coach away from being a really good team. The university is dedicated to basketball and they have a strong fanbase to generate more revenue. And Archie Miller might be that coach, at least for the next few years.

[WCWIII]

Why is there any connection at all? It's not like Cincy+Dayton is a much larger TV market than just Cincy. Is the A10 or new conference scheduling such that teams would play Xavier and UD the same week like the Pac-10 used schedule so that the Arizona teams would play the Washington teams etc. It's nice to have some conference opponents near by (bus trips) especially for the non-revenue sports, but is this a significant part of the budget? Rather than just rip at UD, are there significant reasons to keep a conference affiliation?

[X-band '01]

I don't think a lot of people realize that Dayton is a good coach away from being a really good team. The university is dedicated to basketball and they have a strong fanbase to generate more revenue. And Archie Miller might be that coach, at least for the next few years.

That may be true, but Ted Kissell wasn't exactly the AD who could find a coach that could consistently produce NCAA-caliber teams up at Dayton. I'm not convinced at this point that Tim Wabler is their guy, either.

[danaandvictory]

X is going to play Dayton every year in every possible sport anyway, so I don't see what the big deal is.

[Muskie]

We're 28 days away... I can make it.

[xubrew]

I saw this topic on the mm board with little response. Should xavier remain joined at the hip with ud in conference affiliation? I do not see any advantage for us and do see negatives.

Absolutely!!!!

.................Unless, of course, the Big East invites us and not them.