Bengals

[XUOWNSUC]

I must say that the Bengals have been really entertaining to watch so far this season. While I fully realize they have played nobody thus far, their effort has been great. It's refreshing to not have any of the Palmer/Ochocinco/T.O./Houshmandzadeh drama anymore. The Bengals actually look like they have some nice young talent on the offensive side of the ball as well as on the D-Line. You gotta love the poise and LEADERSHIP that Dalton has shown early this season. I'll take that over Palmer and his gimpy quitter elbow any day. Green had a nice TD catch that for some reason the TV announcer could not get over the fact that it was in-bounds. It would have been nice to see Dalton get his first "winning drive" win, but all in all I'm not disgusted by the Bengals loss today - when is the last time anyone can say that?

Oh, and I really enjoyed the surprise guest appearance by Vern Lundquist that seem to last a whole quarter. :rolleyes:

Looking forward to next week (on the radio).

[Porkopolis]

I am looking forward to this season, something I would not have said three weeks ago. Dalton to Green could morph into a classic combo.

[THRILLHOUSE]

It's a game the Bengals should have won, but at the same time I'm not too pissed about it.

The good:

Dalton over 300 yards in his 2nd game and showed the poise of a vet.
AJ Green made some incredible catches. Steve Buerlein is probably still whining about the TD.

The Bad:

Nate Clements was brutal today and I'm not sure what Chris Crocker was doing on that long TD.
Run D not as stout as last week.
And Marvin not calling for a 53 yard field goal in Denver is mind boggling. I'm sure he will say it was for field position. But cmon, 53 yards in Denver is about 43 yards anywhere else.

Still don't expect the Bengals to be playoff contenders, but they should be competitive in most games and it will be fun to watch Dalton and Green progress...well in the games that won't be blacked out anyway. Hope the young talented doesn't get "Bengalized" too quickly.

[xubrew]

Don't do it.

The Bengals are like poison ivy. Scratching it just makes it worse.

You want to watch. You want to get excited. They have mastered the art at making people think there is a reason to be excited just like you feel you should scratch poision ivy, but it makes it worse.

Turn back. Turn back before it's too late.

Things did appear to be on the up-and-up for the Bengals....but then the lockout ended.

[XUOWNSUC]

And Marvin not calling for a 53 yard field goal in Denver is mind boggling. I'm sure he will say it was for field position. But cmon, 53 yards in Denver is about 43 yards anywhere else.

Hope the young talented doesn't get "Bengalized" too quickly.

Was it really gonna be a 53 yarder? I thought it was going to be more like a 58 yarder (in which I'm ok with the decision to punt).

Gotta like the Bengals having no turnovers today.

Third downs on offense were killer today (the Bengals were something like 1 for 11 I think). A lot of those were 3rd and short too. They spent a lot of time and emphasis on the 3rd and short yardage situations this pre-season, and it looks like they still have a ways to go.

I have the same worry too - that the young talent will get Bengalized too soon.

I fully realize that when the Bengals play better teams (Shittsburgh, Baltimore, etc.) we will get pummeled and Dalton will look like a rookie and throw a ton of picks, but it's been fun so far. Maybe it's just because my expectations are so low.

I'm no football genius, but can anybody tell me how Clint Boling is doing at the guard position so far? Does he have a chance to stay in the starting line-up even when Bobbie Williams comes back?

Oh, and xubrew, there is no way in hell I will give the Bengals any of my money this year. I'm strictly a fan from a distance this year. No tickets, no merchandise, no nothing. Just watching on tv (and listening on radio for 8 games). Until Mikey dies (cause I know he won't change), his family won't get any more money from me.

[gladdenguy]

i love watching this team....i love dalton and aj.....love simpson too even if he dropped that 3rd down pass

[THRILLHOUSE]

Was it really gonna be a 53 yarder? I thought it was going to be more like a 58 yarder (in which I'm ok with the decision to punt).

Gotta like the Bengals having no turnovers today.

Third downs on offense were killer today (the Bengals were something like 1 for 11 I think). A lot of those were 3rd and short too. They spent a lot of time and emphasis on the 3rd and short yardage situations this pre-season, and it looks like they still have a ways to go.

I have the same worry too - that the young talent will get Bengalized too soon.

I fully realize that when the Bengals play better teams (Shittsburgh, Baltimore, etc.) we will get pummeled and Dalton will look like a rookie and throw a ton of picks, but it's been fun so far. Maybe it's just because my expectations are so low.

I'm no football genius, but can anybody tell me how Clint Boling is doing at the guard position so far? Does he have a chance to stay in the starting line-up even when Bobbie Williams comes back?

Oh, and xubrew, there is no way in hell I will give the Bengals any of my money this year. I'm strictly a fan from a distance this year. No tickets, no merchandise, no nothing. Just watching on tv (and listening on radio for 8 games). Until Mikey dies (cause I know he won't change), his family won't get any more money from me.

Bengals were in Denver territory twice on 4th down and didn't go for the field goal, one would have been a 57 yarder (which I'm fine with passing on) and the other was 53 yards.

Bolling had a holding penalty today, but overall has been ok.

Agreed with everything else you said.

[THRILLHOUSE]

i love watching this team....i love dalton and aj.....love simpson too even if he dropped that 3rd down pass

Simpson had a good game other than that drop, which unfortunately was a crucial drop.

[Jumpy]

I'm just wondering why Brian Leonard wasn't on the field in those third and short situations. That guy has been magic in those situations for two years and all of the sudden, they won't even let him on the field.

[Xavgrad08]

No doubt the new offensive coordinator is an upgrade compared to the last one.

[toledodan]

even though we lost i'm pleased on how things are going. the new kids give me hope for the future. green is going to be special.

[Jumpy]

I would love to see a replay of that final 4th down play. Dalton had Green wide open on the sideline and it looked like the ball hit him right in the hands. I know that's what we can expect with a rookie receiver, but that guy was making some spectacular plays all game. It's a shame he dropped that one.

[drudy23]

I would love to see a replay of that final 4th down play. Dalton had Green wide open on the sideline and it looked like the ball hit him right in the hands. I know that's what we can expect with a rookie receiver, but that guy was making some spectacular plays all game. It's a shame he dropped that one.

He was 2 feet out of bounds...even if he caught it, it wouldn't have mattered. Bad ball by Dalton.

[bleedXblue]

Chalk that loss up to having a rookie QB

You dont take the sack on 3rd down.

Timeout gaffe by Lewis hurt big time as well.

Simpson drops are becoming a concern. I think he had a least 3 drops.


Still pleased by Dalton's demeanor and poise. I really like this style.

Run game was bad yesterday and the D line didn't pressure a bad QB enough. Where was Dunlap yesterday ?

[Jumpy]

He was 2 feet out of bounds...even if he caught it, it wouldn't have mattered. Bad ball by Dalton.

Was he? that makes sense then. I was slightly distracted for the play and only saw the ball bounce off his hands. didn't notice he was OOB.

[Kahns Krazy]

Chalk that loss up to having a rookie QB

You dont take the sack on 3rd down.?

Tom Brady gets sacked on that play. Dalton had no chance to get that ball away. That's a play calling problem.

Other than that, I share a lot of the sentiment on this thread. The Bengals so far have appeared to be way better than I feared. Still not expecting much - I don't think Cleveland or Denver are very good. Maybe 4 wins.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Other than that, I share a lot of the sentiment on this thread. The Bengals so far have appeared to be way better than I feared. Still not expecting much - I don't think Cleveland or Denver are very good. Maybe 4 wins.

Yeah we are still far away from being a playoff contender. Luckily the schedule is built well for this young team to be competitive in a lot of games and even win some. I will bump my original 5 win prediction to 6 wins.

[Porkopolis]

Yeah we are still far away from being a playoff contender. Luckily the schedule is built well for this young team to be competitive in a lot of games and even win some. I will bump my original 5 win prediction to 6 wins.

Same for me. I'm going with five wins, though six or seven could happen with a little luck. This schedule is extremely easy and the rookies are only going to improve.

[Kahns Krazy]

If we can stop the catestrophic play like Crocker's nice block on Hall to spring Decker for an easy 55 yard touchdown, I'll revise my win total up. You can't spot the other team 7 points a game and expect to win more than 25% of them.

[Kahns Krazy]

I see Shipley may be out for the year. That would hurt. He wasn't Dalton's favorite receiver, but he was an amazing pass catcher.

[drudy23]

I see Shipley may be out for the year. That would hurt. He wasn't Dalton's favorite receiver, but he was an amazing pass catcher.

Amazing? Dalton's favorite receiver?

Decent receiver? OK....Amazing? Not so much.
Dalton's favorite receiver? He has 4 catches....5 other receivers have the same number of catches or more.

Never good to lose anyone for the season...but better him than Simpson, Green, or Gresham.

[Kahns Krazy]

Amazing? Dalton's favorite receiver?

Decent receiver? OK....Amazing? Not so much.
Dalton's favorite receiver? He has 4 catches....5 other receivers have the same number of catches or more.

Never good to lose anyone for the season...but better him than Simpson, Green, or Gresham.

You seem to have missed the word "wasn't" in my post.

And by amazing "pass catcher" (not all around receiver), I mean that Shipley pulled in some catches in traffic/ while being hit that none of the rest of those guys have demonstrated half that ability to do. He even pulled in the catch on the play that ended his season.

[drudy23]

none of the rest of those guys have demonstrated half that ability to do.

Especially not Green on the TD pass. That was simply amateur.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Nice reading comprehension by Drudy.

What's with Maualuga? He was getting crucifed by Lapham for taking bad angles.

[Kahns Krazy]

Especially not Green on the TD pass. That was simply amateur.

That was a top notch toe tap on the edge of the endzone, and I doubt Shipley could have made that catch. Shipley's forte was hauling in a ball over the middle with a linebacker lining him up for a hit, especially when we needed to convert a third and short.

[drudy23]

Nice reading comprehension by Drudy.

What's with Maualuga? He was getting crucifed by Lapham for taking bad angles.

I had authentic Musketeer Madness game shorts on my mind.

[Kahns Krazy]

I had authentic Musketeer Madness game shorts on my mind.

And only one free hand to type with.

[Snipe]

Have to give it up for the rookie QB. We were so close to winning that game it hurt. I convinced myself I wouldn't let the Bengals hurt me this season, but they have already drawn first blood. I just love the Bengals.

That second half performance was fun to watch for the rookie QB. Instead of dinking and dunking we started going downfield and I liked the zip in his passes.

It is going to hurt me to watch when we play good teams and he is getting sacked 7 times a game. A bad O-Line can shorten a career or end it before it starts. Pray for our O-Line.

Great game though.

[nuts4xu]

It is going to hurt me to watch when we play good teams and he is getting sacked 7 times a game. A bad O-Line can shorten a career or end it before it starts. Pray for our O-Line.

Great game though.

I think Dalton has done a nice job of moving the pocket, and escaping trouble. However, there are only 7 teams that have taken more sacks than the Bengals.

The line is ranked 22nd so far this year against some marginal competition. This team needs good O line play to be successful. The cleaner they can keep Dalton, the better he can learn on the job. I hope the kid can stay healthy, it is fun to watch him progress and get better.

[Kahns Krazy]

I think Dalton has done a nice job of moving the pocket, and escaping trouble. However, there are only 7 teams that have taken more sacks than the Bengals.

The line is ranked 22nd so far this year against some marginal competition. This team needs good O line play to be successful. The cleaner they can keep Dalton, the better he can learn on the job. I hope the kid can stay healthy, it is fun to watch him progress and get better.

Generally, I want the rookie tucking the ball and taking the sack at this point in the season rather than trying to make something happen. If you look at sacks + interceptions, the bengals rank 11th. If you say an INT is three times as bad as a sack, the Bengals rank 4th in that stat I just totally made up.

[nuts4xu]

If you say an INT is three times as bad as a sack, the Bengals rank 4th in that stat I just totally made up.

So we have that going for us....which is nice.

[nkymuskie]

F*** a couple Bengals made a bungle http://t.co/ngyH9cXk

6 pounds ain't messing around.

[boozehound]

F*** a couple Bengals made a bungle http://t.co/ngyH9cXk

6 pounds ain't messing around.

It's also not all that much weed for 2 pro athletes to be messing around selling. Max value would be around $20K if sold in small quantities. Pretty stupid to jeopardize a pro football career for. Also usually it isn't a good idea to get weed delivered to your house. All around intelligent behavior here.

[Tardy Turtle]

I've heard more than once that Jerome Simpson is dumber than a bag of hammers so it'd be par for the course to have it home-delivered.

[Fireball]

I just love being a Bengals fan.

Simpson also deleted his Twitter account, so he knows he is in deep trouble...

[Jumpy]

How hard is it to stay out of trouble? I mean, really. You're making millions in the NFL. Why do you feel the uncontrollable urge to conduct such a retarded operation as having weed shipped to your doorstep so that you can turn around and sell it.

[Kahns Krazy]

It's also not all that much weed for 2 pro athletes to be messing around selling. Max value would be around $20K if sold in small quantities. Pretty stupid to jeopardize a pro football career for. Also usually it isn't a good idea to get weed delivered to your house. All around intelligent behavior here.

I don't think $50 for a quarter bag is "max" value, but the point is still the same. He has to be making more as a football player than a dealer.

Simpson gets this:

http://www.factpile.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jesus-facepalm.jpg

[xavierj]

How hard is it to stay out of trouble? I mean, really. You're making millions in the NFL. Why do you feel the uncontrollable urge to conduct such a retarded operation as having weed shipped to your doorstep so that you can turn around and sell it.

Not making millions. But still stupid. Makes a good living though. Made $295,000 in 08, $350,000 in 09 and roughly $400,000 last year. Signing bonus out of college around $1.5 million. Buys a house, agent gets his, has hanger on's, over spends and probably not much left over. And who knows he may have been letting a friend do this through his residence, which again is pretty stupid. And he does not appear to be a very smart man.

[xavierj]

In Kentucky the 2.5 lbs would be a misdemeanor but with the six lbs in the house is where it gets upgraded to a felony and punishable of 5-10 years in the pen. He could be up a creek unless the person who was at the residence takes the blame.

[nuts4xu]

Max value would be around $20K if sold in small quantities.

Not sure how long ago you bought the stuff, but my sources tell me the minimum would be a lot "higher" than $20k.

The article I read stated Simpson received 2.5 pounds of "high grade marijuana". You break up 6 pounds, you get 96 oz @ $300 = $28,800 and that is selling in small quantities. $300 an oz is definitely on the low side too in this day and age unless it is shipped in compressed bricks by some mule in Mexico and filled with stems and seeds.

The average wholesale price of a pound of high grade marijuana from Northern California is probably about $5000. You buy it buy the pound, you should get rid of it by the ounce...from what I am told. If they were selling it to make a proffit, they probably sold it for $400 or higher per ounce.

[drudy23]

Nothing like a thread about the economics of drug dealing.

[xavierj]

I would guess about 75% of nfl players smoke weed so maybe j rome was the league wide distributor.

[Jumpy]

Not making millions. But still stupid. Makes a good living though. Made $295,000 in 08, $350,000 in 09 and roughly $400,000 last year. Signing bonus out of college around $1.5 million. Buys a house, agent gets his, has hanger on's, over spends and probably not much left over. And who knows he may have been letting a friend do this through his residence, which again is pretty stupid. And he does not appear to be a very smart man.

So... yeah. He is making millions in the NFL. $1.695 million total salary + $1.487 million bonus =millions. More than enough incentive to keep his ghetto ass out of trouble.

[xavierj]

So... yeah. He is making millions in the NFL. $1.695 million total salary + $1.487 million bonus =millions. More than enough incentive to keep his ghetto ass out of trouble.

agreed. But there is a reason 75% of pro football players are broke within 3 years of retiring.

[Kahns Krazy]

I would guess about 75% of nfl players smoke weed so maybe j rome was the league wide distributor.


agreed. But there is a reason 75% of pro football players are broke within 3 years of retiring.

I think 75% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[Muskied]

80% of the time they are wrong every time

[MuskieCinci]

I think 75% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

It is 25%. It's always the inverse.

[boozehound]

I don't think $50 for a quarter bag is "max" value, but the point is still the same. He has to be making more as a football player than a dealer.

Simpson gets this:

http://www.factpile.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jesus-facepalm.jpg

Yeah, My math was wrong. I was thinking $50 an eighth would be pretty close to max value which would put it closer to $40K.

[nuts4xu]

Nothing like a thread about the economics of drug dealing.

I think they offer this course at UC....if not, they probably should.

[bobbiemcgee]

Not sure how long ago you bought the stuff, but my sources tell me the minimum would be a lot "higher" than $20k.

The article I read stated Simpson received 2.5 pounds of "high grade marijuana". You break up 6 pounds, you get 96 oz @ $300 = $28,800 and that is selling in small quantities. $300 an oz is definitely on the low side too in this day and age unless it is shipped in compressed bricks by some mule in Mexico and filled with stems and seeds.

The average wholesale price of a pound of high grade marijuana from Northern California is probably about $5000. You buy it buy the pound, you should get rid of it by the ounce...from what I am told. If they were selling it to make a proffit, they probably sold it for $400 or higher per ounce.

If they taxed this - local, state and federal like they do my electric and phone bill, they would get about $5,250 - $6,500. per transaction. Debt problem solved.:eek:

[nuts4xu]

If they taxed this - local, state and federal like they do my electric and phone bill, they would get about $5,250 - $6,500. per transaction. Debt problem solved.:eek:

Giggity!

[XU 87]

It is being reported that Cedric Benson will be suspended for three games. I guess this is what happens when an organization is so cheap and incompetent- the only decent free agents they can sign are bums who nobody else wants.

[xavierj]

It is being reported that Cedric Benson will be suspended for three games. I guess this is what happens when an organization is so cheap and incompetent- the only decent free agents they can sign are bums who nobody else wants.

I have no problem with Benson but i would like it if he could stay away from Austin, TX. People getting arrested is not a Bengals problem, its and NFL problem. NFL teams are littered with guys who break the law or have broke the law in the past.

Check this link out.

http://nflcrimes.blogspot.com/

[danaandvictory]

Honestly, I just wish they'd fold the franchise.

[waggy]

NFL "officiating" really sucks. I just watched Tomlinson with a big run against Oakland that had blatent holding and a blatant block in the back. I mean these were obvious obvious pentalties that weren't called.

But it's worse than that. Basically, I think the NFL office is a bunch of scumbags.

[Fireball]

Honestly, I just wish they'd fold the franchise.

As good as I felt about the team coming out of the first two games is as bad as I feel now. I know Dalton is a rookie, but he completely regressed today. He made some absolutely horrible decisions, and was lucky not to have 4 or 5 picks instead of just 2. The defense was good until is had to be. When it needed to be clutch, they just let San Francisco go right down the field and get a touchdown.

[danaandvictory]

The announced attendance today was 43,000. Not that it matters to the Brown family, since the county will be on the hook for any unsold tickets.

Tar and feathers is the only way.

[Snipe]

I have no problem with Benson but i would like it if he could stay away from Austin, TX. People getting arrested is not a Bengals problem, its and NFL problem. NFL teams are littered with guys who break the law or have broke the law in the past.

Check this link out.

http://nflcrimes.blogspot.com/

I think the changes in the NFL more likely reflect the changes our society has undergone. Our black athletes are coming from our black population. When I was growing up, the black stars came mainly from two parent homes and went to decent public schools. They were educated and had family values. Now days we have 3 out of 4 black kids coming from unwed baby momas with many going to bad urban government schools. The culture has changed dramatically and that shows up in sports. I don't see how it couldn't. When you listen to the old timers on NFL films they speak the King's English and you can tell they are in a different league in terms of class, refinement and education. Imagine TO as an "Old Timer", or Chad Johnson in his elder years on NFL films. And those guys aren't even the serious law breakers. Mercury Morris they ain't!


"In 1965, I graduated from high school. The top three problems in the country were running in the hallway, talking in class, and being late. Now- 1985, the top three problems were teen violence, teen pregnancy- teen drug use- 2005, it’s still the same. So a whole generation of young people have grown up under the stigma of the Crips and the Bloods, and these some- some of these people are playing in the NFL now. So you can’t take away from that gene pool that they have to choose from, because it’s what society has to offer them. And running in the hallway, talking in class and being late did not produce teen violence, teen pregnancy and teen drug use. The people that they draft now pretty much fit that kind of concept of where they’re coming from. Now, how they act when they get there- it’s another thing, but you can see the change in the people that have been drafted because that's the choice they have in society- that includes doctors, lawyers and anything else." ~ Mercury Morris (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/10/12/cnns-rick-sanchez-features-dubious-limbaugh-slavery-quote#ixzz1ZOJep7R1)

True dat

[Snipe]

Tried to go down and scalp a cheap ticket after my kid's soccer game today. I figured if I got their at 1:40 scalpers would be desperate. Not much available on the streets and the only guy I talked to w/ tickets wanted $80 a piece. So I scrapped that and went home. I missed all those Bengal touchdowns. At least it was a sunny day.

[danaandvictory]

I think the changes in the NFL more likely reflect the changes our society has undergone. Our black athletes are coming from our black population. When I was growing up, the black stars came mainly from two parent homes and went to decent public schools.

Prove this with statistics or shut up.

[XUOWNSUC]

The announced attendance today was 43,000. Not that it matters to the Brown family, since the county will be on the hook for any unsold tickets.



Is this true? If so, what exactly does the lease say about this?

[Snipe]

Prove this with statistics or shut up.

Did you read the Mercury Morris quote? Is he lying?

What are you disputing?

Are you disputing illegitimacy rates?

From a 2005 Walter Williams article, Victimhood: Rhetoric or reality? (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams060805.asp)


What about the decline of the black family? In 1960, only 28 percent of black females between the ages of 15 and 44 were never married. Today, it's 56 percent. In 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks was 19 percent, in 1960, 22 percent, and today, it's 70 percent.

More from the same article:


A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were nuclear families, comprised of two parents and children. In New York City in 1925, 85 percent of kin-related black households had two parents. In fact, according to Herbert Gutman in "The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925," "Five in six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents."

Black illegitimacy rates are historic and unprecedented. To think that the near total breakdown of the black family hasn't affected black culture is lying to yourself. Middle and upper class blacks beat those statistics measurably for sure, but that only means that the problem on the low end is even that much worse. the 70+% illegitimacy rate isn't even over all economic classes, it hits the hood the worst. Down here in the West End the black two parent family with young children is an endangered species.

More sources:

Blacks struggle with 72% unwed mothers


She wants her babies born as healthy as possible, so Carroll spends time talking to the mothers about how they should care for themselves, what she expects them to do - and why they need to get married.

Seventy-two percent of black babies are born to unmarried mothers today, according to government statistics. This number is inseparable from the work of Carroll, an obstetrician who has dedicated her 40-year career to helping black women.

"The girls don't think they have to get married. I tell them children deserve a mama and a daddy. They really do," Carroll said from behind the desk of her office, which has cushioned pink-and-green armchairs, bars on the windows, and a wooden "LOVE" carving between two African figurines. Diamonds circle Carroll's ring finger.

As the issue of black unwed parenthood inches into public discourse, Carroll is among the few speaking boldly about it. And as a black woman who has brought thousands of babies into the world, who has sacrificed income to serve Houston's poor, Carroll is among the few whom black women will actually listen to.

"A mama can't give it all. And neither can a daddy, not by themselves," Carroll says. "Part of the reason is because you can only give that which you have. A mother cannot give all that a man can give. A truly involved father figure offers more fullness to a child's life."

Statistics show just what that fullness means. Children of unmarried mothers of any race are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock.

The black community's 72 percent rate eclipses that of most other groups: 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall U.S. population was 41 percent.

This issue entered the public consciousness in 1965, when future senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan described a "tangle of pathology" among blacks that fed a 24 percent black "illegitimacy" rate. The white rate was 4 percent.

Note Moynihan, who sounded the alarm in the 60's. The white illegitimacy rate today is now higher than the black rate then when he sounded the alarm. It has transformed voting too, and single mothers are the favorite patrons on the nanny state and form quite a formidable growing voting block. Those white bastard children are more likely to do poorly in school, become dropouts, get on welfare, go to prison and become deadbeat parents themselves. It is a vicious cycle, and it is actually happening. If I shut up, that doesn't mean it isn't really happening. If we all hold hands and think 'happy thoughts', it doesn't make that problem go away.

[danaandvictory]

Is this true? If so, what exactly does the lease say about this?

My recollection (from reviewing the lease when I worked on one of the season ticket holder lawsuits 10 years or so ago) was that the county was required to pay the club for unsold tickets for a period of years from the signing. That provision may have expired since. As I said, though, it's been a while.

Also, Snipe, you are truly one of a kind. I hope.

[Snipe]

http://www.heritage.org/static/reportimages/C3BC73B91F4E0D00494559F2ED3FDF09.gif

this one was too big to paste:
http://www.frc.org/img/activedit/chart1.jpg


Some graphs for your perusal.

[Snipe]

Also, Snipe, you are truly one of a kind. I hope.

First you tell me to shut up and demand statistics. I gave you statistics. Then you insult me. If you can't handle it without insults, maybe you should shut up. Why does this bother you? Does it bother you that it is true? It bothers me, because it spells trouble ahead for all of us. Does it bother you that I mentioned it? If so, why?

I thought Mercury Morris was spot on when he talked about growing up in the sixties vs the culture of poverty today. Does what Mercury Morris said bother you too?

[danaandvictory]

First you tell me to shut up and demand statistics. I gave you statistics. Then you insult me. If you can't handle it without insults, maybe you should shut up. Why does this bother you? Does it bother you that it is true? It bothers me, because it spells trouble ahead for all of us.

You know what, it's not worth it. I do question why you feel you need to air your unique perspective on racial issues on a board devoted to the game of basketball, but it's a free country and you can do what you want.

[Snipe]

This is an off topic board. This post isn't on basketball but the Bengals and the NFL. XavierJ, another poster noted the NFL crime wave trend. You may have noticed it yourself. This is a sports related post. I simply echoed the views of Mercury Morris in a interview I heard a few years ago. You were the one who wanted the statistics. I gave them too you. I am surprised you were unaware of them. Are you actually that daft that you didn't realize these inter-generational shifts and how they affect all of society? Maybe you should stop telling people to shut up and try listening for a change. You might learn something.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Snipe is the worst in history at scalping. I guess Milton Friedman never covered secondary markets.

[Snipe]

I am a great scalper in theory, just not in practice. I thought I could get a cheap ticket after the game started, but a lot of other people had that idea today it seems, and the scalpers didn't have many tickets. It was a sunny day and I was at a Sunoco on Eigth street two minutes away from the stadium. I figured if I could get a couple of cheap singles I would take my boy, but eighty bucks was the only price I got and that was fourty minutes after the game started. I believe that is above face price, so I wasn't interested. I was thinking somewhere around ten to fifteen bucks.

Worked out well though, because missing our no-touchdown performance actually helped my blood pressure. Probably helped my kid too. Who wants that memory with Dad? I would have had to pile on the cotton candy and junk just to give him some happy thoughts to take home.

[Masterofreality]

If the Bengals are guaranteed sellouts because the county is "on the hook", why are they blacked out? Doesn't make sense.

Wow only 43,000 in the seats with no Reds game in town. The Browns had a sellout, but 66,600 in the seats because some people have dual seasons with the Indians - who also were in town yesterday and had 22,500 in the seats.

There were a lot of people in downtown Cleveburg yesterday. Can't wait until the casino on public square opens up.

[Juice]

If the Bengals are guaranteed sellouts because the county is "on the hook", why are they blacked out? Doesn't make sense.

Wow only 43,000 in the seats with no Reds game in town. The Browns had a sellout, but 66,600 in the seats because some people have dual seasons with the Indians - who also were in town yesterday and had 22,500 in the seats.

There were a lot of people in downtown Cleveburg yesterday. Can't wait until the casino on public square opens up.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/26/county-didnt-buy-bengals-tickets/

The county didn't have to buy any of the unsold tickets.

[Kahns Krazy]

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/26/county-didnt-buy-bengals-tickets/

The county didn't have to buy any of the unsold tickets.

Interesting that the county was never actually on the hook for any unsold tickets ever, even though the anti-Bengals/ Anti-Mike Brown crowd has been spewing about that one for a decade. I wonder how much of the "information" out there is factual vs. rumor.

I was recently involved in the inner workings of a deal that involved state and local tax incentives. The amount of blatantly false statements that were made in the media and on message boards by people who should know better, including some public officials, is mind boggling.

[bobbiemcgee]

Know the feeling:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-20112838-10391697.html

Anybody go to the Wigwam?

[waggy]

Know the feeling:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-20112838-10391697.html

Anybody go to the Wigwam?

I actually read his obit in the Enquirer a few days ago. I think I was at the Wigwam way back when, but not sure.

[Jumpy]

My grandparents used to live just down the street from Shulller's Wigwam on North Bend before College Hill became a cess pit. One of my earliest memories is from an anniversary dinner we had there for my grandparents.

[gladdenguy]

Now 5-2 going to Tennessee for a big road test.

Still have Arizona (should be a win), St. Louis, Cleveland on the schedule. That should put the win total at 8.
I don't think they will get swept by Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
That leaves Houston.
I can definitely see 10 wins. The question is will that be enough in the AFC.

The D-Line is the best I've ever seen as a Bengals fan. The defense is just good.

I love Dalton's mobility and his demeanor. Made a couple mistakes but he also made a couple of really nice throws. He is a rookie.

I like this team.

[Jumpy]

I didnt get to see the game, but listened to the second half on the radio. It sounded like both the INT's were more Green's fault than Dalton's. Is that a fair assessment?

[BlueGuy]

I didnt get to see the game, but listened to the second half on the radio. It sounded like both the INT's were more Green's fault than Dalton's. Is that a fair assessment?

The first one was a tad under thrown, and Green was well defended by the CB. However, Green made zero attempt to break up the interception. It almost seemed like he had a brain cramp while the pass was intercepted. I wouldn't blame it on Green, but he certainly could have easily prevented the int.

[BENWAR]

Now 5-2 going to Tennessee for a big road test. I like our chances in this game 6-2

Still have Arizona (should be a win), St. Louis, Cleveland on the schedule. That should put the win total at 8. 2-1 in this stretch 8-3
I don't think they will get swept by Pittsburgh and Baltimore. 1-3 against these teams 9-6
That leaves Houston. This will be the game that decides our playoff chances. Tough game but I'm going to give them the win. 10-6
I can definitely see 10 wins. The question is will that be enough in the AFC.

The D-Line is the best I've ever seen as a Bengals fan. The defense is just good.

I love Dalton's mobility and his demeanor. Made a couple mistakes but he also made a couple of really nice throws. He is a rookie.

I like this team.

We have some great young talent.

[bobbiemcgee]

Special teams and Defense were superb. Dalton to Green will only get better. The one TD play could not have been better on both ends. Perfecto.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Yeah...I'm cautiously optmistic. Lets see how the next three weeks pan out and then we'll have a better idea. The Dline is just nasty. Its not like Baltimore or Pitts are tearing it up. Both have feasted on inferior teams (like the Bengals)....November will separate the men from the boys.

[waggy]

I was looking at stats and the AFC North team defenses are all at the top in YPG & YPP.

[XUOWNSUC]

The D-Line is the best I've ever seen as a Bengals fan. The defense is just good.


I thought the same thing - this is the best Bengals D-Line that I have seen. It's refreshing to see the Bengals dominate the line for once - that's where most NFL games are won (in the trenches). However, I doubt we will be able to keep everybody on the D-Line after this season.

Dalton had a great 1st half but probably had one of his worst halves of his young NFL career in the second half. But, hey, he is a rookie.

Seattle's final position at the end of the first half is something that Bengals teams of the past would have done. Glad to see it happen to our oponent instead.

For me, the best part of it all is that the 2011 edition of the Bengals are just plain fun to watch.

[Kahns Krazy]

I thought the same thing - this is the best Bengals D-Line that I have seen. It's refreshing to see the Bengals dominate the line for once - that's where most NFL games are won (in the trenches). However, I doubt we will be able to keep everybody on the D-Line after this season.

Dalton had a great 1st half but probably had one of his worst halves of his young NFL career in the second half. But, hey, he is a rookie.

Seattle's final position at the end of the first half is something that Bengals teams of the past would have done. Glad to see it happen to our oponent instead.

For me, the best part of it all is that the 2011 edition of the Bengals are just plain fun to watch.

I sort of forgot how critical that end-of-half possession was for Seattle. They couldn't have been more than a couple inches from the endzone to make it a 17-10 game. I can't imagine how mad I would have been as a Seattle fan.

[Kahns Krazy]

I can't imagine how mad I would have been as a Seattle fan.

What am I saying.... of course I can imagine that. I've lived it over and over as a Bengals fan. I even commented as we were watching the game that I didn't realize Bob Bratkowski was the offensive coordinator in Seattle now.

[Snipe]

I am loving watching the Bengals win.

As a Bengals fan I am always waiting for the other shoe to drop. If we lose to Tennessee I can easily see a 3 game losing streak that puts us at .500 and all the playoff talk will fade away.

Tennessee is such a huge game for this young squad. They need to carry that winning momentum to 6-2 and to a home game with the Steelers.

If we win next week, will Pittsburgh sell out? I would hope so.

[Snipe]

I sort of forgot how critical that end-of-half possession was for Seattle. They couldn't have been more than a couple inches from the endzone to make it a 17-10 game. I can't imagine how mad I would have been as a Seattle fan.


What am I saying.... of course I can imagine that. I've lived it over and over as a Bengals fan. I even commented as we were watching the game that I didn't realize Bob Bratkowski was the offensive coordinator in Seattle now.

This team could be 7-0, or just as easily 2-5 as it is 5-2. The games are all close. The competition hasn't been the greatest, but they have made the plays they had to make to win.

Dalton is inspiring. Mature beyond his years. The defense is inspiring. Even Marvin is having fun again. I just hope we keep it going at least until Steeler week. It will be nice getting the feel of a "big football week" back in the Queen City.

[nkymuskie]

I am loving watching the Bengals win.

As a Bengals fan I am always waiting for the other shoe to drop. If we lose to Tennessee I can easily see a 3 game losing streak that puts us at .500 and all the playoff talk will fade away.

Tennessee is such a huge game for this young squad. They need to carry that winning momentum to 6-2 and to a home game with the Steelers.

If we win next week, will Pittsburgh sell out? I would hope so.

I think Pittsburgh will sell out even if we lose just due to the fact that Pitt travels so well and we are relatively close to Pitt. Joe Reedy has been saying since even before the season this is the only game he expected to sell out.

[Kahns Krazy]

I think Pittsburgh will sell out even if we lose just due to the fact that Pitt travels so well and we are relatively close to Pitt. Joe Reedy has been saying since even before the season this is the only game he expected to sell out.

If I am reading the new ticketmaster site correctly, this game is already practically sold out, and is probably already close enough to not be blacked out.

[xu drew]

The game against Pitt is not sold out yet, but it will definitely be sold out prior to next weekend.

Unfortunately, there will be a very high number of yellow towels in attendance.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Pittsburgh game will have no problem selling out. Along with all the Steeler fans who always come down, West Virginia is in town playing UC the day before. WVa fans travel well and a lot of them are also Steeler fans.

[Xavgrad08]

Bengals beat the Titans 24-17. Pittsburgh up next.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Currently have the best record in the AFC http://espn.go.com/nfl/standings?group=2 (although no matter what happens in the PIT-BAL game they will be in 2nd after the end of that game...not that this really mean anything in November, but whatever, WHO DEY)

[danaandvictory]

4-1 on the road. Outrageous.

[Fireball]

I really REALLY hate the Steelers.

That is all.

[gladdenguy]

they lost but i love how they climbed back after fallin down by 2tds....dalton a couple mistakes but he made some great plays as well.....didnt have dunlap or green (2nd half). they can beat the ravens next week

[THRILLHOUSE]

they lost but i love how they climbed back after fallin down by 2tds....dalton a couple mistakes but he made some great plays as well.....didnt have dunlap or green (2nd half). they can beat the ravens next week

Yeah I think we match up better with the Ravens. Kelly Jennings and Pacman Jones are going to have to step up the rest of the season. I liked what I saw from Hawkins today, would like to see him get more snaps.

[Fireball]

they lost but i love how they climbed back after fallin down by 2tds....dalton a couple mistakes but he made some great plays as well.....didnt have dunlap or green (2nd half). they can beat the ravens next week

Agreed. I'm disappointed with the loss, but not angry about it. At full power, and without a couple of awful calls by the referees, no doubt in my mind that the Bengals should have beaten the Steelers. This team clearly belongs at the top of this division, and proved it today. They need to finish off games against the Steelers to be there, though.

[xubball1993]

Looked like Simpson held up a little on his route that led to the INT. If Jerome kept running and made the catch, maybe the Bengals score on that drive to tie the game.

I'm worried that Baltimore is going to be fire up after choking in Seattle. Next Sunday is going to be a very, very tough road game for this young Bengals team.

[XULucho27]

So a rough stretch of games in the last month for the Bengals. I'm obviously mostly disappointed with their performances against the Ravens and the Texans. Those are two games they could have won if not for costly mistakes.

Currently we sit in 8th place, 1 game behind the Jets in the playoff hunt. We have games against the Rams, Cardinals, and Ravens. All of them are winnable in my opinion. The Jets have Philadelphia, the Giants and Miami. I think they could drop one against either the Eagles or the Giants (hopefully both). So what do you guys think? Do we win out and sneak into the playoffs at 10-6? Or are we going to lose one of these games?

Personally, I think we win-out but get bumped out by either the Jets or Titans. But, it's definitely still a possibility.

[Kahns Krazy]

I don't see 10-6. Lately, this team has been playing like a team that will be in the mix next year, but the injuries are really starting to take their toll. If we don't have another game like the 2nd Pittsburgh game, I'll be happy. It's not quite time to throw in the towel, but it's close.

I will be more pissed if Oakland makes the playoffs than if the Bengals miss.

[XUOWNSUC]

Dunlap's injury was huge. I think the Bengals would have won last week if he played. That guy was starting to get really hot before he hurt his hamstring.

I don't think the Bengals make the playoffs this year. I think they will win 2 out of the last 3 games. Jets will get the final wild card spot.

[XULucho27]

Well that was quick. Titans lost, and the Jets are currently down 28-0 to the Eggles. If the latter result holds the Bengals and the Jets will be tied at 8-6 with the Jets holding the tiebreaker for better conference record (I believe).

Still alive!

[TheDanimal]

The results today are certainly the best case scenario; however, if the Bengals do not get more creative / better on 3rd or 4th and short yardage, I don't think it will matter much what other teams do...

[Kahns Krazy]

The results today are certainly the best case scenario; however, if the Bengals do not get more creative / better on 3rd or 4th and short yardage, I don't think it will matter much what other teams do...

This.

Green is a freaking stud. It seems like we could easily build a top tier offense around Dalton-Benson/Scott-Green-Gresham. Simpson is getting a little more consistent. If Shipley comes back next year anywhere close to what he was in terms of an over-the-middle possession receiver, we have plenty of options on offense.

We need to add some depth on defense. Other than that, there is no reason this team won't be in the playoff hunt again next year.

If we can slip into the playoffs this year, we will be in the rare position of being a 3rd place team in the playoffs, which should result in a reasonable schedule next year going up against some very mediocre 3rd place teams.

[Kahns Krazy]

I will be more pissed if Oakland makes the playoffs than if the Bengals miss.

Watching Detroit take the lead in the last minute then watching Palmer take a sack with 18 seconds left on the edge of Janikowski's range made me just as happy as the Bengals win yesterday. Oakland is now 3-5 with Palmer in the game. Bwah hahahahaha.

I want a picture of Palmer sitting on his couch watching Dalton take a snap in a playoff game.

[Snipe]

I praise the Bengals for still being in the hunt. I actually think that win or lose they will still be in the hunt next week. Winning obviously is better. I want to have a winning season.

I would love to see the Rookie in the playoffs, just for the fun of it and the experience.

This is Dalton's team. We don't suck because of him. We could still make it. A win on Sunday would be a great thing for us. I want a winning season. I am also Captain of the Obvious.

[Jumpy]

A win on Sunday makes the Baltimore New Year's eve game huge. Might be the second Bengals home game this year to end up on local tv, which is nice.