Dayton or UC

[xtremefan13]

Can I get your opinions on which is the biggest rival??

We are having a huge debate about it and I wonder what you all think!

[ThePowerOfX]

Honestly out of all rivals I hate Butler the most. I'm not from Cincy originally and I think thats what at least some of the rivalry is about. Dayton I almost feel bad for at times.

That being said I really do hate all 3 teams.

[94GRAD]

No doubt it's uc.

[gladdenguy]

easily uc because some of their ignorant fans still think they have a better program even tho they have had one NCAA win in ten years......both programs arent even close to xavier but i like to beat uc bc their fans are dumb.

Dayton fans are just delusional....like uc they barely even make the tourney much less win any games in the dance

[GreatWhiteNorth]

UC for sure

[Titanxman04]

An interesting question, and one I posed to Kenny, Atay, Hughes, Walsh (when he was actually on the team), and Dante during a summer course we were all taking together.

In general, they felt that UC was a great "fans rivalry". The city gets worked up about it and gets excited over the Crosstown Shootout. They get into it for the same reasons, but they also "respect them because we play them in summer leagues and work out with them from time to time." In essence, they enjoy it, but they don't "hate" UC.

When I then said, "Well, what about Dayton?"

Dante probably had the best response. His exact quote was as follows...

"Dayton? I fucking HATE Dayton. Those guys think they can hang with us, talk all kinds of shit, and they think they're better than us. They don't deserve to play on the same court as us. I HATE them."

That was the general response by all of them. Dayton was a bigger rivalry seeing as NONE of them could care less for that sorry excuse for watermellon lovers.

Personally, I think Dayton is the bigger rivalry, but thats mostly because all of my high school friends went there, and I also lived with three Dayton grads a couple of years ago... Nothing sweeter than beating those pricks.

[XULucho27]

Bellarmine.

[Titanxman04]

Bellarmine.

When asked about their feelings on Bellarmine, the whole group got up, let the student center where we were studying, and didn't speak to me for a week.

[Xavier]

I would say UC, no question.

[MCXU]

uc

[DC Muskie]

UC.

[X-band '01]

Kathy Bates

[Titanxman04]

Kathy Bates

Rosie!

[X-band '01]

http://spartyandfriends.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Kathy-Bates.jpg

The prostitution rests, Your Honor.

[blueblood]

I think it is clearly UC.

The mantle of "better team" has gone back and forth between Xavier and UC over the last couple decades. And it is an intra-city rivalry within a good-sized city.

Over the last two decades it is clear that between Xavier and Dayton that XU has been the better team essentially the entire time. I don't see how anyone could argue that. And on top of that Dayton is a minor league town with a small population. They could win the next 30 games at the Cintas center and I would still feel sorry for them having to live up there. It must be tough being a fan of a school that had managed one NCAA appearance in the last seven years.

However, league play is more important than OOL play, so I probably enjoy the two or three wins over UD more than the win over UC. Of course I enjoyed watching the XU-LaSalle game a lot last year too, but that doesn't make it a rivalry.

[SixFig]

Whoever we play next is our biggest rival

[PMI]

An interesting question, and one I posed to Kenny, Atay, Hughes, Walsh (when he was actually on the team), and Dante during a summer course we were all taking together.

In general, they felt that UC was a great "fans rivalry". The city gets worked up about it and gets excited over the Crosstown Shootout. They get into it for the same reasons, but they also "respect them because we play them in summer leagues and work out with them from time to time." In essence, they enjoy it, but they don't "hate" UC.

When I then said, "Well, what about Dayton?"

Dante probably had the best response. His exact quote was as follows...

"Dayton? I fucking HATE Dayton. Those guys think they can hang with us, talk all kinds of shit, and they think they're better than us. They don't deserve to play on the same court as us. I HATE them."

That was the general response by all of them. Dayton was a bigger rivalry seeing as NONE of them could care less for that sorry excuse for watermellon lovers.

Personally, I think Dayton is the bigger rivalry, but thats mostly because all of my high school friends went there, and I also lived with three Dayton grads a couple of years ago... Nothing sweeter than beating those pricks.

This sums it up very well. UC is the bigger rivalry because of what the game means. College basketball fans know about the Crosstown Shootout. Only the ones who pay the closest attention know about the Jimmy Carter streak. The other A10 team from Ohio does not strike your average Joe as a worthy member of a legitimate rivalry. Of course the dayton fans think our rivalry is Carolina-Duke, and their players feel that way by association. They are a fly we have to constantly swat away. The dayton rivalry still exists and is fun because of the fans and the history, but it is utterly meaningless on the grand stage of college basketball. Xavier-Cincinnati is one of the premiere rivalries, even if their fair-weather fans pretend like they don't care about it when they suck, or pretend like they're the dominant team in the rivalry after one win. Ask a die-hard Xavier fan and they may have a tougher time answering, but ask any random college basketball fan and it's not even close.

[xubrew]

We love telling UD that UC is our biggest rival.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

I hate UC. I hate that their fball program sucks again and the AD left. It's odd that they spent all that energy ousting Huggins when Prick Cronin is his Second Coming. Now is when we need to stomp on the throats of UC and its obnoxious fanbase.

I think Yahoo Sports needs to investigate Prick.

[PMI]

We love telling UD that UC is our biggest rival.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

I don't see it that way at all. I mean I agree with the comment, but it sums up nothing. dayton remains a rival because they do a good enough job of talking shit that they can't back up to stay on our minds. Xavier/Cincinnati is a real rivalry, recognized as such by all of college basketball, not just southwest Ohio.

SOMETIMES the longer rivalry, with the history that people who used to be alive once enjoyed, holds on and remains the main rivalry, and other times the rivalry that doesn't date back as far, but clearly means more to the entire landscape of the game, is the main rivalry. The only Xavier rivalry that really matters outside of Ohio is XU/UC.

[nuts4xu]

They can both eat a bag of dicks!!

But I want ud to implode leaving a crater where the school once stood.

[GoMuskies]

The UC rivalry is bigger. I absolutely loathe that game. My stomach gets tied in knots because I absolutely cannot stand the thought of Xavier losing to that bunch. It's total misery for two hours. When Xavier wins, I get violently drunk in relief. When Xavier loses, I get violently drunk to drown the sorrows.

Dayton evokes no such emotions.

[Tu 4 MVP]

I like beating UD because their in the our conferance, but I also like beating UC cause their in the Big East and according to everyone a Big East team would destroy a mid major like us. I would vote UC.

[XUFan09]

UC because my parents are UD grads...

But really, UC fans in their arrogance are so much worse than UD fans in their delusion (and sometimes dull acceptance). If you talk to most UD fans, they'll admit that Xavier has been the better program for a long time. If you talk to a lot of UC fans, they'll deny that Xavier has been the better program for the past decade or they'll deny that the last decade matters.

[MuskieCinci]

UC is the bigger rival.

Dayton is the more important game(s).

[_LH]

UC

[drudy23]

I this even a legit question?

UC...no doubt.

[Porkopolis]

UC is the bigger rival.

Dayton is the more important game(s).

That is where I sit as well.

[xudash]

UC.

The Crosstown Shootout makes it onto the top 10 list of college rivalry games. I suspect that the national presence the game enjoys, evidenced by making such a list, makes it more significant than playing the Cryers.

3.5 miles apart.
Big cheesy public school v. small elegant private school.
Badness v. goodness

[dc_x]

UC. For every 1 UD fan I know, I know 100 UC fans.

[Kahns Krazy]

UC is the bigger rival.

Dayton is the more important game(s).


Between this and Titan's comments above, there is nothing for me to add, but I will anyway, because that's how I roll.

The UC rivalry has all of the history. When I got my first year of season tickets in 1995, that was almost all that mattered. I don't really even remember the Dayton game being any bigger than any other conference game. In fact, my recollection at the time was that we were kind of in it together with Dayton as the new members of the A-10. I could be wrong on that.

The departure of Huggins tempered the hate some, but Mick and Mack are heating it back up, and I love it. I would pay extra for a repeat of the handshake game. I am so tired of the drunken lonely leprachaun taking little pot shots at our program from under the giant tree root he calls home.

Since the Cintas opened, the Dayton game has grown in intensity and hatred. There was a year that some fat guy posing as a 45ish year old female Dayton fan (I assume) had to be physically restrained from coming at me as I pointed her/it toward the exit at the end of the game.

With our recent dominance of the A-10 (5-peat, yawn, old hat), and the Jimmy Carter streak, the home game against Dayton is by far the most important rivalry game to win each year. I really don't mind trading punches with UC now and then, but I wouldn't want to be in the Cintas when the Dayton streak ends. (Mostly because the Cintas will be like 214 years old by then, and probably dangerous to be in. Plus, I will be long dead).

[westcoastmuskie]

How can this be a debate? Are we really going to consider the 8th place team in our conference a rival? No question it's Cincinnati. I'm thinking anyone who says otherwise didn't live through the Huggins era. Nothing in my life following sports equates with the '99 shootout. It wouldn't have felt the same it it had been Dayton.

[xubrew]

How can this be a debate? Are we really going to consider the 8th place team in our conference a rival? No question it's Cincinnati. I'm thinking anyone who says otherwise didn't live through the Huggins era. Nothing in my life following sports equates with the '99 shootout. It wouldn't have felt the same it it had been Dayton.

Up until last season, UC wasn't any better. In fact, they weren't even as good as that.


UC because my parents are UD grads...

But really, UC fans in their arrogance are so much worse than UD fans in their delusion (and sometimes dull acceptance). If you talk to most UD fans, they'll admit that Xavier has been the better program for a long time. If you talk to a lot of UC fans, they'll deny that Xavier has been the better program for the past decade or they'll deny that the last decade matters.

Up until last year, UC's fanbase was running pretty thin. Even as recent as last season I believe there were games with fewer than 5000 fans. For about a five year period they weren't arrogant at all. For the most part they didn't exist at all.


In truth, I think it depends on what day it is.

In looking at both series, I think the biggest thrill I ever got out of a win was the 1999 Crosstown Shootout. That had more to do with them being ranked #1 than anything else. The second biggest thrill was the 2003 game at UD arena. I'd throw the 2004 A-10 Championship game pretty high up there as well. If I had to pick a fourth, it would probably be either the 2004 shootout, or the 2000-2001 shootout.

So, in listing my top four, two of my favorite wins were against UC, and two were against UD. There are times it is a huge thrill. There are other times it's just a blah win.

Last year I was more charged up about beating Butler than I was for either of the two wins against UD. When it comes to nerve-grinding losses, I think the loss in the quarterfinals was worse than the loss to UC.

In conclusion, I really can't say that one is always going to be bigger than the other. I know there are more games with UC that are more memorable, but I didn't really start following the team passionately until the end of the 1990s.

[westcoastmuskie]

"but I didn't really start following the team passionately until the end of the 1990s."

That's the key here on how people approach the question. I hate Cincinnati, and I don't hate Dayton. Dayton is a pesky fly on the wall we have to crush 2-3 times a year. Through the early Huggins years hatred grew with the intensity of the games best exemplified by the no-handshake game. The '97 game, which doesn't get talked about much, was an epic blowout. Cincinnati couldn't advance the ball past halfcourt. We were up 29 points before Skip called off the dogs. I think most people in attendance at that game are still ticked he did that, God rest his soul. I wanted a 40-point win. I wanted to humiliate that scumbag. Dayton just doesn't conjure up those feelings for me.

[gladdenguy]

I agree 09........the fact that any sUCks fan can say they have even close to the program we have is ridiculous. Maybe if this was 1960.
Let me repeat...........They have won 1 (UNO, ONE) game in the NCAA tournament in the last 10 years. I don't care how it happened....I don't care if it was unfair....and I don't care if their old ball coach was a drunk, fat, belligerent, ugly male whore.....and I don't care if they play in a conference where to make the tournament, all you have to do is go .500 and schedule a nonexistent nonconference schedule.....they still sUCk.

WE play in the A-10..we have had 2 coaches who've left the program....the beat still goes on. Like Andy Katz says......"Everybody is chasing Xavier".....not everybody, but certainly UC And Dayton.

[XU-XHI]

uc - Team I most want to beat.
ud - Games most important to win
miami - nice historical series we should be dominating and should still play
butler - budding revisit of a rivalry from the early MCC days. Evansville was a bigger rival at that time. Similar to what ud is now.

[paulxu]

UC; not even close. And yes, maybe it depends on when you first started watching the Muskies, so UC in the Gardens will always be the biggest rivalary for me.

And...somebody help me out here. Didn't we have this exact same thread, about the exact same topic about 3 months ago? Otherwise I'm going to have to cut back on the Makers.

[muskiefan82]

One of the definitions of rival is "Equal or Peer"

Neither of these teams meet that definition currently.

[Billy]

http://spartyandfriends.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Kathy-Bates.jpg

The prostitution rests, Your Honor.

You sir, suck for doing that to us. HOW DARE YOU!

Oh, and UC for sure.

[X-band '01]

Billy, that's how I feel when I'm asked to pick between UC and Dayton. Please don't force me to dig up a picture of Rosie.

[Masterofreality]

SucKS.

Always.

[XUFan09]

Up until last year, UC's fanbase was running pretty thin. Even as recent as last season I believe there were games with fewer than 5000 fans. For about a five year period they weren't arrogant at all. For the most part they didn't exist at all.

I agree that they kept pretty quiet during that time period, but the moment they had a solid team again this past season, the arrogance re-emerged. What fair-weather fans.

[Billy]

Billy, that's how I feel when I'm asked to pick between UC and Dayton. Please don't force me to dig up a picture of Rosie.

I remember seeing that in a theater, and I'm not sure I recall ever being in another situation where people were caught so off-guard by a scene. It's a great flick though.

Ah, you know what....never mind. I also saw The Crying Game (at Kenwood Towne Center if I recall). That was probably worse. Yea....definitely worse.

[xu05usmc]

In looking at both series, I think the biggest thrill I ever got out of a win was the 1999 Crosstown Shootout. That had more to do with them being ranked #1 than anything else. The second biggest thrill was the 2003 game at UD arena. I'd throw the 2004 A-10 Championship game pretty high up there as well. If I had to pick a fourth, it would probably be either the 2004 shootout, or the 2000-2001 shootout.

So, in listing my top four, two of my favorite wins were against UC, and two were against UD. There are times it is a huge thrill. There are other times it's just a blah win.



I look at it in the opposite fashion, which loss stung the most. I think easily over the past 10 or so years the most embarrassing loss for Xavier came in Cronin's first year as coach at UC, when they finished something like 10-25 and won only 1 or 2 conference games. The second string of guys on Xavier's roster had more talent than the starting five on UC, and that Bearcat team came out and whipped the snot out of Xavier. I still lose sleep thinking about that game. In fact just posting this just put me in a foul mood.

[RealDeal]

Always UC, and it's not even close. I laugh at dayton, I hate UC.

[American X]

I am relieved UC is the overwhelming answer.

Such mad hope Dayton obsession has waned.

[Kahns Krazy]

I agree 09........the fact that any sUCks fan can say they have even close to the program we have is ridiculous. Maybe if this was 1960.
Let me repeat...........They have won 1 (UNO, ONE) game in the NCAA tournament in the last 10 years. .

Uh. No.

[xu05usmc]

I agree 09........the fact that any sUCks fan can say they have even close to the program we have is ridiculous. Maybe if this was 1960.
Let me repeat...........They have won 1 (UNO, ONE) game in the NCAA tournament in the last 10 years.

It is actually 4 wins, unless you don't count 2002, then it is 3. But who is really counting anyways?

[gladdenguy]

I don't count 01. I don't count 02.
1 win in 9 years. Sorry.

[Smails]

Both of those progams can lick my left nut. They're equally worthless

[XUOHTX]

For the fan in general I think it is UC. My Uncle and cousins are huge UC fans and we grew up with a friendly family rivalry.

But for me my hatred of Dayton is much more personal. I have been to countless shootouts at UC and have never felt the same type of hatred and wrath that I did at Dayton.

I also feel it might be because Dayton is so inferior that it just hurts more if we lose to them.

[xubrew]

I don't count 01. I don't count 02.
1 win in 9 years. Sorry.

They have no wins against a team seeded better than #10th since 1996.

Dayton has one win since 1990.

These really aren't top 25 caliber programs at the moment, although UC appears to be trending up.

the shootout is a great rivalry, especially if you live in Cincinnati. Most years I lived there, it was clearly the biggest game on the schedule the majority of the time. Now that I don't live in Cincinnati, and now that UC went for five years without being close to an NCAA Tourney caliber team, the intensity has lessened for me quite a bit.

[xubrew]

But for me my hatred of Dayton is much more personal. I have been to countless shootouts at UC and have never felt the same type of hatred and wrath that I did at Dayton.

I agree with this. I don't think UC hates us half as much as UD does.

[DC Muskie]

By the way, why isn't Miami being considered?

[GoMuskies]

By the way, why isn't Miami being considered?

I hate Miami. A lot. I really hate Millet Hall.

[xubrew]

By the way, why isn't Miami being considered?

I have no problems with Miami, but I don't like that it is a fixture game.

I like playing teams from around the region, but I realize you can't play all of them. However, i don't understand why we play Miami all of the time, and Wright State, Kent, Akron, BGSU, Cleveland State, Ohio U, et al seemingly none of the time.

I like what Purdue does and what Indiana used to do. They have two home and homes going at a time, and it results in one home game with one in-state team, and one away game with another in-state team, each year. I'd like to play all of those teams every now and then, including Miami, but I don't like playing Miami every year while never playign any of those other teams...most of which are as good or better than Miami.

[PMI]

I agree with this. I don't think UC hates us half as much as UD does.

I don't really think that proves anything in terms of rivalries though. The melon humpers hate us because they aint us. That just solidifies their status as the gnat flying around our face that needs to be swatted away a couple times a year. Our rivalry with UC has been so much more important to the story of our program during the past thirty years than our rivalry with dayton, it's not even funny.

[xubrew]

I don't really think that proves anything in terms of rivalries though. The melon humpers hate us because they aint us. That just solidifies their status as the gnat flying around our face that needs to be swatted away a couple times a year. Our rivalry with UC has been so much more important to the story of our program during the past thirty years than our rivalry with dayton, it's not even funny.

I was merely stating that UD hates us way more than UC hates us.

I agree with your point. NC State probably hates UNC more than Duke does, but Duke is clearly the bigger rivalry.

[PMI]

I was merely stating that UD hates us way more than UC hates us.

I agree with your point. NC State probably hates UNC more than Duke does, but Duke is clearly the bigger rivalry.

That is a perfect comparison. There are plenty examples of this around NCAA sports. Michigan's main rival is clearly Ohio State, but Michigan State's most hated rival is Michigan. Either way, screw dayton. I love owning them. But the Shootout is (almost) always a battle that leaves many bruises. It's a unique game on our schedule every year, both for the teams/fans involved and in the eyes of the college basketball world.

[bourbonman]

uc

[THRILLHOUSE]

"@THEREALC_Weez: The University of Cincinnati and University of Dayton ARE ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE!!!!! TERRIBLE PLAYERS and COACHES!! THEY FUCKIN SUCK"

[XUOHTX]

Great arguments here. I think I have been convinced that UC is definitely our main rival and will be as long as we play them once a year. This quote really sums it up for me...


Our rivalry with UC has been so much more important to the story of our program during the past thirty years than our rivalry with dayton, it's not even funny.

[Cat's Bird Seat]

Question is posed several times a year, and I'll put my opinion this way.
If uc was playing us in a game of twidlie winks, or marbles, or sack races,
I want Xavier to crush them, not just win, but crush them.

Back in the day, and there are posters hereabouts from "back in the day" the UC staff, players, students, and "fans" trashed anything and and would always chide him about that remarkeverything about Xavier. That's when they were on top of the world of college basketball, and had a football coach (Sid Gillman) who suggested at a public luncheon that if Xavier lost the next day against his Bearcats, they get out of football.

We won, he left town for the Rams. (BTW, he was one helluva great football coach, and I later got to know him personally and would chide him about that remark. He remembered it, and would laugh)

In my days drawing a paycheck from the Jesuits, I never had any respect for the people of UC, (except Tony Yates, Oscar, and Jack Twyman on the basketball front) especially Tay Baker, a real first class arrogant SOB, and more then hiring Dick Campbell, was XU's all-time mistake, IMO.

PS, They had some fine people on the football side, like George Blackburn and Chuck Studley.

Never (in my day) found the UD people, and players, to be anything but first class ... but can't judge those folks these days.

[Kahns Krazy]

I don't count 01. I don't count 02.
1 win in 9 years. Sorry.

What about 04 and 05? And how is '02 not in the last 10 years? This is still 2011 right?

[Woodburn]

There is no debate here. Proximity breeds contempt. It is UC by a mile and anyone that says otherwise isn't competent to stand trial. I want UC to burn to the ground. After we beat Dayton for the second (or third) time annually, I find myself tacitly pulling for them in the NIT. The end.

[anXUfan]

Neither. Screw 'em both.

Lately I look more toward Temple or Butler.

[Woodburn]

Neither. Screw 'em both.

Lately I look more toward Temple or Butler.

Great point. For me - Butler is a much bigger rival than Dayton.

[MADXSTER]

a cross between Dayton and UC = UCton

Seriously though....what would be the result of a cross between the two basketball teams?

[SixFig]

Seriously though....what would be the result of a cross between the two basketball teams?

http://www.datesphere.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ugly-klint.jpeg

[PMI]

a cross between Dayton and UC = UCton

Seriously though....what would be the result of a cross between the two basketball teams?

I'm guessing it would look something like a watermelon in an orange jumpsuit.

[MADXSTER]

I'm guessing it would look something like a watermelon in an orange jumpsuit.

If PMI doesn't get reps for this, then I don't know who should.

[XUFan09]

There is no debate here. Proximity breeds contempt. It is UC by a mile and anyone that says otherwise isn't competent to stand trial. I want UC to burn to the ground. After we beat Dayton for the second (or third) time annually, I find myself tacitly pulling for them in the NIT. The end.

I'm completely with you.

How about this for a test: When UC and UD played each other in the NIT two years ago, who did you root for? I rooted for UD without a second thought.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I'm completely with you.

How about this for a test: When UC and UD played each other in the NIT two years ago, who did you root for? I rooted for UD without a second thought.

Neither. It was the NIT, I didn't care.

[paulxu]

Seriously though....what would be the result of a cross between the two basketball teams?

http://thegroupiesunite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Cat-Watermelon-Hat.jpg

http://www.youthinkyouknowbutyoudont.com/cat%20watermelon.jpg

[coasterville95]

I had an interesting experience. I was at that NIT game, and I went with a group fo about 10-12 guys. Funny thing was in the group, half were loyal to UC, half were loyal to UD. So, as I said then, I got to just sit back and watch these two schools, and these fans, go at each other for my complete amusement.

In retrospect, now I wish UC would have won, if only becuase they would have had less chance of reaching the ultimate outcome that UD did.

[GoMuskies]

In retrospect, now I wish UC would have won, if only becuase they would have had less chance of reaching the ultimate outcome that UD did.

Not sure I get that. UD winning the NIT, and their jubilant reaction to it, is a source of great amusement to me.

[Kahns Krazy]

Not sure I get that. UD winning the NIT, and their jubilant reaction to it, is a source of great amusement to me.

Agreed. They are so unintentionally funny sometimes. NIT championship shirts. Wooooooooooo hoooooooo!

[XUFan09]

Neither. It was the NIT, I didn't care.

But they did. Even on that lesser level, I still hoped for UC's failure.

[muckem muckem]

I have a standing $20.00 bet on the UC game and a standing $2.00 bet on the UD game. The UC game means ten times more to me.

[Ledgewood]

UC is the devil.

When UD plays UC, I want UD to win for the conference's sake. But then I hope to beat them both by seven hundred.

[Kahns Krazy]

I have a standing $20.00 bet on the UC game and a standing $2.00 bet on the UD game. The UC game means ten times more to me.

This would also imply that UC fans are ten times dumber.

[xuvictory]

We love telling UD that UC is our biggest rival.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

And that statement really gets under the skin of any ud fan.

[xuvictory]

Not wanting to start a new thread, but which fans HATE XU the most? I think in the past few years, ud fans have taken over the lead and they absolutely despise Xavier. I caught the end of the ud-Richmond game for the a-10 tourney title on Dayton radio last March. After ud had choked away another game, the commentator stated he did not mind losing to a class program like Richmond. If they had lost again to Xavier, he said he would not be able to keep his sanity. He then proceeded to say how deeply he hated everything about Xavier. He said it very matter-of-factly and no one was disagreeing with him. WOW! I had no idea the hate ran so deep!!!

[XULucho27]

Not wanting to start a new thread, but which fans HATE XU the most? I think in the past few years, ud fans have taken over the lead and they absolutely despise Xavier. I caught the end of the ud-Richmond game for the a-10 tourney title on Dayton radio last March. After ud had choked away another game, the commentator stated he did not mind losing to a class program like Richmond. If they had lost again to Xavier, he said he would not be able to keep his sanity. He then proceeded to say how deeply he hated everything about Xavier. He said it very matter-of-factly and no one was disagreeing with him. WOW! I had no idea the hate ran so deep!!!

It's because we're not classy, we recruit thugs, and Tu doesn't like to shake hands. I mean what's not to hate about that.

[Woodburn]

Not wanting to start a new thread, but which fans HATE XU the most?
Bit of a rant here, but: hated fans - not close for me: Butler x 100.

People will say UD, and yes many are inbred, but at least they support their team and therefore earn my respect. People will say UC, and yes many of them are illiterate, but people in a major city are always supportive of the home school so they earn a pass just because they can't read/don't know better. Bottom line: both programs are generally supportive of their teams. I know UC hasn't drawn well the past couple years, but - you get the point.

But Butler? These a**holes here in Indy act like the most arrogant fans on Earth based on the past two years, and sadly: they can based on the tourney success. However, what the CAN'T do is sell out their little gym. Ever. It's a level of hypocrisy that knows no bounds: "The Butler Way" etc. is never curbed by the simple fact that the still don't draw. Congrats to Brad Stevens - he's a hell of a coach. However, a program is defined by much more, and Butler fans think that their program is the model for all to follow. What they forget is THEY are the very reason why the "Butler Way" is a sales pitch and not a reality.

[HuskyMuskie]

Bit of a rant here, but: hated fans - not close for me: Butler x 100.

People will say UD, and yes many are inbred, but at least they support their team and therefore earn my respect. People will say UC, and yes many of them are illiterate, but people in a major city are always supportive of the home school so they earn a pass just because they can't read/don't know better. Bottom line: both programs are generally supportive of their teams. I know UC hasn't drawn well the past couple years, but - you get the point.

But Butler? These a**holes here in Indy act like the most arrogant fans on Earth based on the past two years, and sadly: they can based on the tourney success. However, what the CAN'T do is sell out their little gym. Ever. It's a level of hypocrisy that knows no bounds: "The Butler Way" etc. is never curbed by the simple fact that the still don't draw. Congrats to Brad Stevens - he's a hell of a coach. However, a program is defined by much more, and Butler fans think that their program is the model for all to follow. What they forget is THEY are the very reason why the "Butler Way" is a sales pitch and not a reality.

THANK. YOU. I could have told you that Woodburn was from Indy like myself just simply by the way he was talking about Butler FANS being the problem, not the school or the way they play basketball.

I hate Butler more than I can put into words limited by the English language. And Woodburn hit the nail on the head. It goes far beyond jealousy or any other adjective you might use to describe it. They are arrogant and ignorant--the world's greatest paradox.

[paulxu]

Just beat them like a drum this year, and that will do the trick.

[MADXSTER]

As good Christians, can't we all just hate UC and UD equally?

[bearcatalyst]

As a cats fan, I am probably not qualified to answer this question but thought that I would weigh in as best I can. UC's equivalent of Dayton would be Louisville. Not that we own them like you do Dayton, obviously. Just in the sense that they are a conference rival that has been bitterly fought for years.

Rationally, a game against Louisville, WVU or any other Big East team means more because conference wins determine your fate. So, I should get more jacked for those. But, that is why this is the true rivalry--for both teams, in my opinion.

I don't get more jacked up for Louisville, WVU or any other game Big East game. I get irrationally excited for this contest. When we won the game last year, I instantly went home and watched the recording again (hard to believe, a UC fan at a UC game...i know). I was up until about 2 am just grinning to myself in bed. If we would have lost, I'd have spent hours brooding/crying on every UC fan site I could find on the interwebs. At the end of the day, the game on its own doesn't really mean much. No regular season game does. But, I (and I think most of us who take the time to discuss our teams online deep down would admit) this game just does matter more. It's special. Anyone who denies that (as a UC or Xavier fan) is lying to themselves. And, I cant imagine a regular season game against Louisville, or Dayton, ever meaning more than the shootout.

Just one cats fans opinion, anyways.

[Strange Brew]

As a cats fan, I am probably not qualified to answer this question but thought that I would weigh in as best I can. UC's equivalent of Dayton would be Louisville. Not that we own them like you do Dayton, obviously. Just in the sense that they are a conference rival that has been bitterly fought for years.

Rationally, a game against Louisville, WVU or any other Big East team means more because conference wins determine your fate. So, I should get more jacked for those. But, that is why this is the true rivalry--for both teams, in my opinion.

I don't get more jacked up for Louisville, WVU or any other game Big East game. I get irrationally excited for this contest. When we won the game last year, I instantly went home and watched the recording again (hard to believe, a UC fan at a UC game...i know). I was up until about 2 am just grinning to myself in bed. If we would have lost, I'd have spent hours brooding/crying on every UC fan site I could find on the interwebs. At the end of the day, the game on its own doesn't really mean much. No regular season game does. But, I (and I think most of us who take the time to discuss our teams online deep down would admit) this game just does matter more. It's special. Anyone who denies that (as a UC or Xavier fan) is lying to themselves. And, I cant imagine a regular season game against Louisville, or Dayton, ever meaning more than the shootout.

Just one cats fans opinion, anyways.

I almost don't irrationally dislike you after reading this.....

[XUFan09]

I almost don't irrationally dislike you after reading this.....

Haha!

[SixFig]

Would you ever marry a UC/UD fan or alum?

That should be the next poll

[gladdenguy]

Would you ever marry a UC/UD fan or alum?

That should be the next poll

Never UC.

Dayton girls are much better looking than Xavier girls.
I would have married a Dayton girl and made fun of her because her basketball team blows.

[paulxu]

Ruh-roh. Kahns hasn't read this thread yet.

[PMI]

Never UC.

Dayton girls are much better looking than Xavier girls.
I would have married a Dayton girl and made fun of her because her basketball team blows.

I can't even begin to explain how much I agree with this. I'll come clean, I've always enjoyed my trips to dayton, minus the actual ud arena experiences (given the way the games went and the shit I took from daytonites.) I have several friends who went there and the girls are, quite simply, hotter than Xavier's. Or at least they were when I was in school, which wasn't that long ago. I never had fun at UC to be honest. I just didn't care for the school much at all. Based on my own experiences, I'd be much more likely to marry a dayton girl than a UC girl, and then just rip on her endlessly for being a flyer fan. Plus, don't forget that our coach is kinda sorta married to a dayton girl.

[Kahns Krazy]

There are some hot chicks at UC, simply because of the size of the school. I think there's less of a "UC Girl" look than an X or UD girl because of the relative lack of diversity at the smaller religious schools.

[mid major]

Dayton's biggest rival is Wright State. Admitting to that is suicidal. Those old dudes in the red V sweaters give me kick.

[Cincypunk.org]

Would you ever marry a UC/UD fan or alum?

That should be the next poll

Married a UC gal. Love rubbing her face in X's success.

[Masterofreality]

Married a UC gal. Love rubbing her face in X's success.

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