Nevada D1 Status

[waggy]

Possibly in danger due to budget cuts. Doubt it gets that far, but many universities, especially public ones, are having significant struggles right now. There have been protests by students out here at places like Cal and Davis ("surprising" I know), whining about rising costs. Just more entitlement thinking... Hey, if you don't want to buy the education, well, you don't have to. How the hell did these people qualify for college in the first place? Or maybe the left did too good of a job convincing them everything is paid for by the entitlement fairy.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20110406/SPORTS06/104060410/1459/MVN04/Nevada-athletics-Proposed-budget-cuts-could-jeopardize-Wolf-Pack-s-Div-status?odyssey=nav%7Chead

[DC Muskie]

You realize that the kids at Davis and Berkeley pay about $5,000 less in tuition then Xavier kids, right? Both cost about double for out of state students.

It seems kids that go to private schools, whine about other people's perceived notion of whining about "entitlement."

Those whiny kids that you think are so stupid they shouldn't be at these colleges managed to get in to two top 40 nationally ranked institutions. That's a pretty good return on their investment don't you think?

But good job of taking an interesting topic and turning it to shit.

[danaandvictory]

I was a state employee in Nevada for a while. Still know a bunch of people who work pretty far up in the Legislature.

The state is a complete mess, but I assure you "The Left" has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[waggy]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

They couldn't be bothered to protest the cost of education when they weren't paying for it. The cost didn't really change - only the ones paying for it.

[xubrew]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

They couldn't be bothered to protest the cost of education when they weren't paying for it. The cost didn't really change - only the ones paying for it.

Maybe I'm grossly misunderstanding you, but are you actually suggesting that the cost of education has not changed in recent years?? Whether you have issues with it or not, there's not denying that it has increased significantly. Saying otherwise is like saying the price of gas hasn't increased over the past two years. Granted, people aren't occupying administration buildings over it, but not everyone is necessarily happy about it either.

Anyway, that and Nevada's cuts to the athletic dept. are two different things. Yes, they are cutting spending on athletics, but it looks as though other areas are getting cut even more. I doubt that it will end up effecting their div1 status, especially since they'll be getting more from revenue sharing than they were before from joining the MWC, which may offset the cuts entirely once they begin earning a full share. You can run a div1 program on a $20 million dollar budget. Most of their athletics budget doesn't even come from the state. I think the article is stirring things up way more than necessary.

[waggy]

..are you actually suggesting that the cost of education has not changed in recent years?? ... there's not denying that it has increased significantly. .

Guess that depends on your definition of recent years. I don't know the numbers but I'd be willing to bet that 2009, 2010, 2011 budgets are unchanged, or actually down. Ie, the universities are taking in less money. 99% of the monies lost were those that came from the state. To make up just a portion of that loss, student fees had to go up.

But those protesters in Berkley had to do there kick and scream act, and everyone told them how cute they were, and then pulled them aside and said, uh, there aint no money. Geniuses, I tell ya.

[DC Muskie]

So the students weren't paying, or did their fees go up? Which is it?

Both schools are in the middle of billion campaigns. Berkeley will finish a $3 billion campaign next year. Davis has already raised $650 million.

Yeah, just a school full of idiots.

[waggy]

So the students weren't paying, or did their fees go up? Which is it?

Huh? Oh. Yes.


Both schools are in the middle of billion campaigns. Berkeley will finish a $3 billion campaign next year. Davis has already raised $650 million.

Got links for this?

And going back to a previous statement..


You realize that the kids at Davis and Berkeley pay about $5,000 less in tuition then Xavier kids, right?

And this makes sense how? The cost of living in the immediate bay area is way higher. The cost of everything is effected.

[DC Muskie]

http://campaign.berkeley.edu/learn-more/goals.cfm

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/24362

Don't you think it's important to have the best return on investment for your education? GW is the most expensive school in the country and their rankings don't justify it. But kids there don't protest. Guess they are geniuses. Berkeley and Davis give kids a tremendous ROI on their education. They sit on enormous endowments, while their tuition increases. You in turn blame the leftist thinking on entitlement and question how in the world they ever got accepted in the first place.

Seems to me they want to protect their investment.

[waggy]

Well why don't they use some of that awesome endowment to pay back the state for all the funding it's given them over years and years? Or maybe use it so student fees didn't have to go up? They did neither, so a lot of good it does in this discussion except for me to offer ideas on how they might spend it.

Here is the first "report" that popped up from a search.. Candidate for d-bag of the day thread, Gavin Newsom (http://www.dailycal.org/article/112546/newsom_addresses_protests_cuts). I mean really, Gavin. Wait, is this a public or private? I digress as usual. Clear as day, and old Gav there has no issue with saying that the student protests were in response to loss of state funding. Ie, taxes (there is no other kind of public funding). Which in turn resulted in student fee increases. And you were kind enough to point out that even though their fees went up, they were still less than X. For a higher rated school no less, and in a location with a higher cost of living (that drives everything).

All of the above, but your mind can't just make the leap to how this screams entitlement.

Glad they are "investing", according to you. Hopefully they are doing some good in the world. And that's a rhetorical comment, cause I don't really GAF.

[DC Muskie]

Well why don't they use some of that awesome endowment to pay back the state for all the funding it's given them over years and years?

I don't think I can take this discussion seriously if you ask this question. Pay back the state? They are a state institution. Should California not have good state colleges? What exactly do you think they should pay in tuition?

I just really like the fact you think the kids at Berkeley and Davis are some kind of idiots for protesting about increased fees. And that screams entitlement.

Of course you don't think that paying tuition is an investment. Or that where a school is located has something to do with how much you should pay in tuition. Kenyon College is located in Knox County, and tuition costs about $50,000 a year. I never knew Gambier, Ohio was such an expensive place to live. But it's a private school, so that's probably allows them to do whatever they want.

[GuyFawkes38]

Most students don't pay full tuition at GW.

All GW is doing is providing an opening for students who perhaps didn't perform as well in high school but have the ability and desire to spend a lot of cash for college.

There was a controversy involving Harvard accepting a student on its wait list because his father made a million dollar donation. That's sort of what GW does, but on a smaller scale. Instead of making shady back room deals, Harvard should probably drastically increase tuition and give out larger scholarships to its best students. Having a sliding scale for tuition based on academics makes sense.

Of course, students in California clearly have an incentive to keep their tuition as low as possible. But that doesn't mean it's in everyones' interest. Ideally, you would want the investor (the students) to fully bare the risk of the investment.

[DC Muskie]

Great now Guy is chiming in.

I have no idea where you get the idea that most students at GW who didn't do well in high school end up there. It has an under 40% acceptance rate.

Also, I have no idea where you think there are people out there who desire to spend a lot of cash on their college education.

Schools with big endowments want to keep tuition low so their students don't carry massive debt. They do this because they want them to make as much money as possible and give it back to the school. It's really not that hard to figure out.

Finally, Guy's last statement makes zero sense.

[GuyFawkes38]

I have no idea where you get the idea that most students at GW who didn't do well in high school end up there. It has an under 40% acceptance rate.


Come on now. It's a simple point.. There's increasingly a sliding scale for higher education tuition based on academics. Harvard is willing to take more of a risk on a student whose dad makes a million dollar donation. GW is willing to take more of a risk on a student who pays full tuition.


Finally, Guy's last statement makes zero sense.

Let's say Obama and congress get together and decide that the soft drink industry is the future for American prosperity and we need more investment in it.

So they decide to match each stock purchase of a soft drink company with a 5% tax credit of that purchase. That would reduce the risk of investment and over inflate the stock's value.

That doesn't quite seem like a fair or reasonable position. But that's exactly what's happening in higher education. Student loans are backed by the federal government. They artificially have lower rates. And public institutions are massively subsidized.

When the student doesn't bare the full risk of the investment, bad decisions are made ("I'm just paying 5k a year for tuition, the state is picking up the actual cost....I would rather major in folk dance studies than engineering or medicine" or "I have really bad high school grades and I doubt college is right for me and I can get a degree...but it's relatively cheap, it's being subsidized...might as well go to college").

[xubrew]

I am beginning to see a direct correlation between Berkley, UC Davis, using endowment money to pay back the state, idiots who are protesting an increase in tuition, the left, GW students who blow a wad in college because they did poorly in high school, and Nevada's div1 status.

[GuyFawkes38]

I am beginning to see a direct correlation between Berkley, UC Davis, using endowment money to pay back the state, idiots who are protesting an increase in tuition, the left, GW students who blow a wad in college because they did poorly in high school, and Nevada's div1 status.

I knew DC would pounce on the GW comment.

The harvard student on the wait list whose father got him in for a million is likely very smart and driven. I'm sure the GW student who pays full tuition is smart and driven too.

The point is that there's increasingly a sliding scale for college tuition based on academics. Schools will take relatively more of a risk on a student willing to pay more.

[xubrew]

I knew DC would pounce on the GW comment.

The harvard student on the wait list whose father got him in for a million is likely very smart and driven. I'm sure the GW student who pays full tuition is smart and driven too.

The point is that there's increasingly a sliding scale for college tuition based on academics. Schools will take relatively more of a risk on a student willing to pay more.

Guy, you quoted my post, and then responded with what's above. I have no idea why.

Nevada opens their football season against Oregon. It is a div1 game. That's what's important.

The notion of the original article is stupid. Nevada's budget is going from roughly $20 million to roughly $19 million, which is still way above the average. They're also joining the Mountain West. Perhaps one of the reasons the state decided to cut funding toward athletics is because they knew that it would be generating more revenue on their own. Their div1 status is not in jeopardy. That's ludicrous.

...and I have no idea of how we went from that to Berkely kids being stupid, to GW, to everything else.

[GuyFawkes38]

you noted it and I wanted to further explain my point.

I like threads that go off topic. Getting angry about a thread going off topic is for nazis.

[xubrew]

you noted it and I wanted to further explain my point.

I like threads that go off topic. Getting angry about a thread going off topic is for nazis.

Who's angry?? I'm actually rather amused...

[Tardy Turtle]

you noted it and I wanted to further explain my point.

I like threads that go off topic. Getting angry about a thread going off topic is for nazis.

Guy, anger in regards to threads going off topic is not a tenet of National Socialism.

Please be more thorough in your research in the future.

[Professor X]

I am beginning to see a direct correlation between Berkley, UC Davis, using endowment money to pay back the state, idiots who are protesting an increase in tuition, the left, GW students who blow a wad in college because they did poorly in high school, and Nevada's div1 status.

my thoughts exactly.

[DC Muskie]

This thread was shit from the first post by waggy. Didn't think it could worse...but then again I underestimated the power of Guy.