Big East going down the Drain [Archive]

Xaviertutu52

03-20-2011, 12:04 AM

So after todays games so far we are down to 4 teams left in the Big East.

Big East Winners:
Marquette...
Connecticut
Notre Dame
Syracuse

Big East losers:
Villanova
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
St Johns
Georgetown
Louisville

By Tomorrow another Big East team will be gone as a result to the Marquette/Syracuse game. So that would leave 3/11 Big East teams or less in the round of 16. I expected something like this for sure.

The_Mack_Pack

03-20-2011, 12:17 AM

I understand all the BE hate but come on, can we give it a rest. Xavier looked like sh!t in the three games against BE teams this season, we really have no argument.

GoMuskies

03-20-2011, 12:21 AM

Did Xavier look bad against Seton Hall? I guess we didn't look great, but it was a win.

gladdenguy

03-20-2011, 12:26 AM

3 teams into the Sweet 16 is pathetic. It needs to be noted. Especially when a conferene gets 11 bids. The Big East is a joke.
Of course, this is if and only if Notre Dame wins....which is no gimme.

Masterofreality

03-20-2011, 12:29 AM

I understand all the BE hate but come on, can we give it a rest. Xavier looked like sh!t in the three games against BE teams this season, we really have no argument.

It's not an argument about Xavier. We all know what our challenges were this year.

Many in the country just get nauseous about the incessant Big East pimping by ESPN and the northeastern big market media. If that league is so freaking awesome, why are they only 8-7 in the Tournament? If ND loses tomorrow, they'll be nothing more than .500 with incredibly favorable seeds where 4 of their games were basic walkovers. Just because that league plays thug basketball where people bang on each other doesn't make it the most incredible college basketball league ever created.

All anyone heard all year was how fantastic Villanova and Georgetown were and what an incredible resurrection there was with St. Johns. They sure didn't look so superb to me. If they were in the A-14, ESPN wouldn't give them a second look.

The_Mack_Pack

03-20-2011, 12:30 AM

Did Xavier look bad against Seton Hall? I guess we didn't look great, but it was a win.

Xavier got the win but did not play well, of course they weren't playing anybody very well at that point.

Snipe

03-20-2011, 12:41 AM

What were the seeds? I think those need to be factored in as well.

It does make me bitter. We could have taken out Marquette and taken out the Cuse tomorrow night.

We had our chance. It bugs me but that is life. I like to see them suck though.

The_Mack_Pack

03-20-2011, 12:49 AM

Unfortunately the only upset over a higher seeded team that the BE owns is over Xavier. Pittsburgh and Louisville own the biggest upset losses so far in the tournament.

waggy

03-20-2011, 12:54 AM

What were the seeds?

I looked at this last night, and I'm pretty sure all but two were seeded 8 or higher. And Nova was a 9.

SlimKibbles

03-20-2011, 01:25 AM

It's not an argument about Xavier. We all know what our challenges were this year.

Many in the country just get nauseous about the incessant Big East pimping by ESPN and the northeastern big market media. If that league is so freaking awesome, why are they only 8-7 in the Tournament? If ND loses tomorrow, they'll be nothing more than .500 with incredibly favorable seeds where 4 of their games were basic walkovers. Just because that league plays thug basketball where people bang on each other doesn't make it the most incredible college basketball league ever created.

All anyone heard all year was how fantastic Villanova and Georgetown were and what an incredible resurrection there was with St. Johns. They sure didn't look so superb to me. If they were in the A-14, ESPN wouldn't give them a second look.

Good post, MOR. Also, if this conference is so spectacular why haven't they had a National Champion since the big expansion? You can even go back 25 years and point out they've only had 3 total (UConn 2x and Syracuse). It's just the East Coast media and ESPN doing it all. The ACC and SEC seem to win the championships in basketball.

OTRMUSKIE

03-20-2011, 03:57 AM

The A 14 has 33% of their teams that got selected in the Sweet 16 The Big Least at best can have 27% of their teams. Not a good argument but The Big Least is way overrated. Marquette is the only team that has looked good so far and that is the worst team apparently. Go FLORIDA ST and I guess Marquette.

outsideobserver11

03-20-2011, 07:54 PM

From a numbers standpoint, the Big East actually only had 9 possible teams to get into the sweet 16 because there were two big east matchups this weekend. So If Notre Dame wins then the Big East will actually have 33% of its possible teams in the sweet 16 as well. However, when the sample size is 9 that's the part that is bad.

HEMI

03-20-2011, 09:32 PM

Then again, those two BE matchups this weekend guaranteed them two spots in the Sweet 16 as well. Just depends how you want to spin it.

LA Muskie

03-20-2011, 09:39 PM

For a group that salivates about the possibility of a Big East implosion so that we can step up in conference affiliation, there's a lot of Big East bashing here. Having watched most of the games so far, all 11 clearly deserved to be in this tourney. So what's the beef?

GoMuskies

03-20-2011, 09:42 PM

It's the over-hypenation.

stophorseabuse

03-20-2011, 09:52 PM

For me it's how they get IN to the tourney. They play NO ONE on the road out of conference then beat up on each other. When no one really does anything of value OOC how does winning (some) in conference assure you a spot in the tourney. It's assanine.

I'm sorry, but outside of obviously Pitt, and I thought Connecticut did some good things OOC to separate themselves, I don't see how those teams really outshine V. Tech, Colorado, Nebraska, New Mexico, Cleveland St, Alabama, and a host of other teams. Not saying those teams are better, but I fail to see how they aren't in the same class. Not to the point one league is getting 11 teams in safely, while those teams all end up in the NIT.

LA Muskie

03-20-2011, 10:08 PM

So for all of you (including Chuck Barley) who think the Big East never should have gotten in...who shouldn't have made it? The last 2 teams in were Cincinnati and Marquette. Both clearly showed they deserved to be in...

PS: The answer is probably 'Nova and/or Geogetown. But then you'd have to ignore the early part of the season to nix them. And I'd still have taken them well ahead of any of the last 4 in, or those who got snubbed.

GoMuskies

03-20-2011, 10:09 PM

I don't disagree with the 11 getting in. I'm just happy to see them all get beat so quickly.

An X Fan

03-20-2011, 10:17 PM

When the east coast ESPN morons scream from the mountain tops that VCU getting into the tourney is criminal and pimp St. John's, Syracuse, et all as the greatest teams in America... I thoroughly enjoy REALITY speaking for itself.

DC Muskie

03-20-2011, 10:25 PM

A lot of guys who work at ESPN actually went to Syracuse. They have a great communications department.

LadyMuskie

03-20-2011, 10:44 PM

Sir Charles just called all those Syracuse grads at ESPN "idiots". Well, not them specifically, but he referred to those guys on that other network, so anyone who has been paying any attention to basketball in the last week knows who he meant.

nuts4xu

03-20-2011, 10:49 PM

A lot of guys who work at ESPN actually went to Syracuse. They have a great communications department.

Andy Mac attended Syracuse....so did Bob Costas.

GoMuskies

03-20-2011, 10:52 PM

I'm enjoying reading the Louisville board's reaction to Barkley's comments. He's driving them nuts (which is, I'm sure, Barkley's objective).

GoMuskies

03-20-2011, 11:02 PM

If FSU can hold on, the Big East will not beat one single non-Big East opponent in the second round. That will be amusing.

SDSU and UNC will be able to finish them before the weekend hopefully.

Xaviertutu52

03-20-2011, 11:07 PM

If FSU can hold on, the Big East will not beat one single non-Big East opponent in the second round. That will be amusing.

SDSU and UNC will be able to finish them before the weekend hopefully.

It's already amusing to me. I think that ESPN is so full of crap when they talk about the big six. I have been waiting for a Big East break down like this

XU05and07

03-20-2011, 11:09 PM

Xaviertutu52

03-20-2011, 11:13 PM

I like to point out that 5 of the members of the sweet 16 are from outside the "power conferences":

BYU
SDSU
Richmond
VCU
Butler

Big East:
Marquette
UConn
Notre Dame (for now...down big to Florida State)

Man, the ACC is doing pretty good i guess Duke, and FSU who is throttling Notre Dame. Is the ACC 3/4 teams in the sweet sixteen now? Still kudos to all the "mid majors" who are showing the Big Six whos boss

Snipe

03-20-2011, 11:21 PM

I had Notre Dame in the Final. Boy do they look horrible tonight. Talk about the woodshed. And I thought we got beat bad. What a disgraceful performance.

Big East gets two teams in the Sweet 16 and those two teams only advanced because they played Big East Teams.

I wish would could have beaten Marquette, but that will never end. Nice to see them show so well.

What is their record in the tournament?

Snipe

03-20-2011, 11:25 PM

I might add that Florida State looks like a badass that could beat anyone.

VCU looked badass too. They beat Purdue tonight. Not just beat Purdue either. People complained about VCU getting a bid. What a motivator. They won a play in game, then thumped Georgetown, then thumped Purdue. They just schooled them are were in control the whole game. I don't think they have been seriously challenged yet.

Florida State plays VCU in what could be an incredible game that nobody would have predicted.

It is madness, and one of those teams will be in the Elite 8.

Go Richmond.

bleedXblue

03-20-2011, 11:25 PM

I posted several weeks back that this would happen.

Seriously. How can ESPN be considered a credible network when the fawn over this league all year long and then piss down their leg year after year in the tourney.

Strange Brew

03-20-2011, 11:35 PM

If FSU can hold on, the Big East will not beat one single non-Big East opponent in the second round. That will be amusing.

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I guess the Big East will just have to be content beating itself.....sinners.

Xpectations

03-20-2011, 11:53 PM

The Big East will not beat one single non-Big East opponent in the second round. That will be amusing.

Based on how they're playing, you have to wonder if the Big East would have had any Sweet 16 participants if they didn't have the opportunity to play each other in the second round.

I guess the next excuse will bethat the Big East teams are so beat up from playing each other.

Didn't Lance McAlister try and make the argument that winning the Big East Tournament was tougher than winning an NCAA National Championship? Umm ... That's looking like a pretty stupid argument right now.

As good as the Big East Conference is, it isn't nearly as good as it's made out to be.

ConfusedBulldog

03-21-2011, 12:07 AM

The Big East consistently proves that it's the most overrated conference come March. 11 teams is impressive, but if a championship title is the measuring stick of conference dominance then the BE has woefully underperformed. By contrast, the ACC -which was in a "down year" - has 3 out 4 bids in the Sweet 16 (The most teams in the s16 of any conference.)
The Big East is to basketball what the Big Ten is to football.

Masterofreality

03-21-2011, 12:23 AM

XU05and07

03-21-2011, 12:27 AM

As good as the Big East Conference is, it isn't nearly as good as it's made out to be.

THEY ARE NOT WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE AND WE LET THEM OFF THE HOOK! - my best Dennis Green impersonation

THRILLHOUSE

03-21-2011, 12:28 AM

The media is already in spin control and making all sorts of excuses for the Big Least choking in the tourney. Keep saying things like how teams like Fla State and Butler were bad matchups for ND and Pitt. Pathetic how the Big Least slurping media just cant admit they underachieved and just aren't as good as they make the Big East out to be.

ConfusedBulldog

03-21-2011, 12:32 AM

I would say that Big East is to basketball is what the Big East is to football.

Haha. They're not that bad. YIKES
What I thought was funny is that they're adding TCU to boost the football pedigree but that'll also add a bottom feeder to compete with Depaul come basketball season.