I HATE the A10 tourney format

[bourbonman]

Yes, we lost and to dayton. So what! We didn't need it this year. We're in the dance. 5 or 6 seed. Moved on. But the format allows lower seeds a couple of days rest AND time to prepare. Takes away a lot of the advantage of gaining a bye. It's BS IMO.

[bleedXblue]

We had a lot of rest as well. No excuses. Period.

[CinciX12]

We had more rest than Dayton did didn't we? Saturday to Friday in comparison to Tuesday to Friday. Do you mean that more time hurt us? Because that is what I think.

[drudy23]

Yes, we lost and to dayton. So what! We didn't need it this year. We're in the dance. 5 or 6 seed. Moved on. But the format allows lower seeds a couple of days rest AND time to prepare. Takes away a lot of the advantage of gaining a bye. It's BS IMO.

This makes no sense. We had the same amount of time to prepare for them as they did for us.

And don't give me the fatigue BS.

What's up with all the bush league excuses today. We got beat...the other team wanted it more. Live and learn and make sure that if you lose, it's not because you didn't leave it on the floor.

[bjf123]

Since it was do or die for them, they wanted it more. Rest had nothing to do with it. We're still dancing, though I'm thinking a 6 or 7 seed, and UD, at this point, isn't.

[gladdenguy]

Yes, we lost and to dayton. So what! We didn't need it this year. We're in the dance. 5 or 6 seed. Moved on. But the format allows lower seeds a couple of days rest AND time to prepare. Takes away a lot of the advantage of gaining a bye. It's BS IMO.

I love ya bourbon but I see a 7 seed and hopefully not an 8. I don't think we'll get a five or six.

[drudy23]

We're not gettin an 8.

It's gonna be a 6 or 7.

[StanleyOwnsYou]

bourbonman is right though, UD got 2 days to prepare for us and rest while most tourneys make the lower seeds play the next day. Just sayin

[xsteve1]

The league was pathetic this year. X was barely challenged. If Dayton or SJU ends up in the tourney it really looks mid major.

[drudy23]

bourbonman is right though, UD got 2 days to prepare for us and rest while most tourneys make the lower seeds play the next day. Just sayin

And we had a week of rest and two days to prepare for them...what am I missing here? What advantage did this give them?

[1757Williams]

What I think the A10 should do in regards to the format: since the opening round games are all played at the same time, they should not be slotted into second round games, sort of like the NFL. Instead, the #1 seed would get the worst seeded team, or St. Joes vs. X. Either do that or send all 12 teams to AC, play the four opening round games on Thursday and play the tournament out like a traditional one.

[mohr5150]

I think the point is it allowed the lower seed to rest, as opposed to having to play back to back nights, giving the higher seed a slight advantage. It didn't allow us to rest any longer than them, it just allowed them to rest when other tourney setups don't allow the lower seed the rest days. I'm not sure if it would have had any effect at all on UDump because of all the substitutions their dumbass coach does. Remember the 4 games in 4 days deal? That's not possible in this setup.

[THRILLHOUSE]

We're not gettin an 8.

It's gonna be a 6 or 7.

Agreed. As of now I am going with 6. Going into today we were probably a 5 seed, I don't think a 1 point loss to ud is enough to drop us 2 seed lines. Some teams for us to root against would be Temple, UNLV, and Arizona.

[THRILLHOUSE]

What I think the A10 should do in regards to the format: since the opening round games are all played at the same time, they should not be slotted into second round games, sort of like the NFL. Instead, the #1 seed would get the worst seeded team, or St. Joes vs. X. Either do that or send all 12 teams to AC, play the four opening round games on Thursday and play the tournament out like a traditional one.

I think both of these ideas are better than how its done now. But no excuses, dayton played better than us today, tourney format had nothing to do with the loss.

[gladdenguy]

And we had a week of rest and two days to prepare for them...what am I missing here? What advantage did this give them?

I think he is trying to say that if teams get a bye usually the team who didn't (get the bye) plays the day before.

[gladdenguy]

Agreed. As of now I am going with 6. Going into today we were probably a 5 seed, I don't think a 1 point loss to ud is enough to drop us 2 seed lines. Some teams for us to root against would be Temple, UNLV, and Arizona.

Dang you guys are confident. I don't think its possible we get a 6 after bowing out to Dayton.

[boozehound]

Yes, we lost and to dayton. So what! We didn't need it this year. We're in the dance. 5 or 6 seed. Moved on. But the format allows lower seeds a couple of days rest AND time to prepare. Takes away a lot of the advantage of gaining a bye. It's BS IMO.

I agree, and I said that before we even played Dayton. I don't see this as an excuse, but to say that it doesn't give the lower seeded teams a substantial advantage vs. the old format in which they would have played the day before is a ludicrous. I also think that it makes the regular season just that much more meaningless for teams that are going to finish middle of the pack.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Dang you guys are confident. I don't think its possible we get a 6 after bowing out to Dayton.

Certainly possible but not as probable as 24 hours ago.

[xsteve1]

6 possibly most likely a 7. If a 7 gets a closer to home so our fans can get there I'm all for it. We can beat anybody in the field if we play hard for 40 minutes.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Dang you guys are confident. I don't think its possible we get a 6 after bowing out to Dayton.

I'm not guaranteeing anything. After the loss I thought 7 but calmed down a little and think 6 is pretty realistic. Things get can get a little dicey if UNLV wins the MWC. Thats the main team we need to root against.

Things that work in our favor for a 6:
Won the A10 outright
Won 16 out of last 18 games
Wins over Butler and Georgia
Strength of schedule
7-3 vs. Top 100 (would have been 8 wins had Duquesne not fallen apart)
RPI is 23

Things that work against us:
0 wins vs. Top 25
Only 3 wins vs. Top 50
Losses at Miami and Charlotte

More positive than negative there. So assuming the other games go the way we want I think we will get a 6. I wouldn't be shocked by a 7 though.

[The_Mack_Pack]

You have to look at other teams as well when determining seeds. Other possible six seeds like West Virginia, St. John's, UCLA, UC, Kansas State, and Georgetown have lost early as well. It would've been nice to win today and gain some leverage but a six is still very possible.

[THRILLHOUSE]

6 possibly most likely a 7. If a 7 gets a closer to home so our fans can get there I'm all for it. We can beat anybody in the field if we play hard for 40 minutes.

I just want the best matchups. Sure it would be nice if we got Chicago, Cleveland and maybe DC, but if we got shipped to Tuscon and got favorable matchups I won't complain. If we fall to a 7 seed I want BYU to be the 2 seed in our region.

[THRILLHOUSE]

You have to look at other teams as well when determining seeds. Other possible six seeds like West Virginia, St. John's, UCLA, UC, Kansas State, and Georgetown have lost early as well. It would've been nice to win today and gain some leverage but a six is still very possible.

Yeah I think losing today probably brought back one of those teams to the 5 line, dropped us to a 6 and I don't think losing to Dayton is bad enough to fall 2 seed lines (obviously assuming we were a 5 going into today)

[bourbonman]

I think he is trying to say that if teams get a bye usually the team who didn't (get the bye) plays the day before.

This is what I meant. Back to selling fish.

[Fam93]

This is not an excuse, but for those that constantly remind us that there is no such thing as A10 refs, I will just say Joe DeMayo seemed to find his way to Atlantic City today. Thats after 3 refs quiit the Big East tourney. And for the record, he's awful.

[golfitup]

What I think the A10 should do in regards to the format: since the opening round games are all played at the same time, they should not be slotted into second round games, sort of like the NFL. Instead, the #1 seed would get the worst seeded team, or St. Joes vs. X.

This is the kind of logical thinking the A-10 would never allow.

[xavierj]

Dang you guys are confident. I don't think its possible we get a 6 after bowing out to Dayton.

Just found out that Xavier is a 6 seed in DC. They were going to make them the lowest 5 seed in Tucson but did Xavier a favor and made Xavier the highest rated 6 seed closer to home. That works for me. I wanted Chicago but it would be harder to get tics up there. On to DC which is good since that was where Xavier started their last elite 8 run.

[xavierj]

You have to look at other teams as well when determining seeds. Other possible six seeds like West Virginia, St. John's, UCLA, UC, Kansas State, and Georgetown have lost early as well. It would've been nice to win today and gain some leverage but a six is still very possible.

Georgetown is a 10, St. John's a 7, UCLA a 5, UC a 9, K State a 7 and West Virginia is an 8.

[StanleyOwnsYou]

Georgetown is a 10, St. John's a 7, UCLA a 5, UC a 9, K State a 7 and West Virginia is an 8.

If these end up being correct your credibility will skyrocket

[Xavgrad08]

I thought the reason for not playing the opening round games in Atlantic City was attendance. Not many people want to watch teams from the bottom of the conference battle each other.

[blobfan]

That f***ing SUCKED!!!! I HATE Atlantic City!! I hate that stupid Dayton that spends the entire season tanking their RPI only to decide to play in the tournament when it's not going to matter. Unless by some miracle they pull off a win in the finals they will be lucky to get in the NIT. I'm so pissed right now.

[ChiTownMuskie]

Just found out that Xavier is a 6 seed in DC. They were going to make them the lowest 5 seed in Tucson but did Xavier a favor and made Xavier the highest rated 6 seed closer to home. That works for me. I wanted Chicago but it would be harder to get tics up there. On to DC which is good since that was where Xavier started their last elite 8 run.

What am I missing? It's Friday, right?

[SixFig]

Just found out that Xavier is a 6 seed in DC. They were going to make them the lowest 5 seed in Tucson but did Xavier a favor and made Xavier the highest rated 6 seed closer to home. That works for me. I wanted Chicago but it would be harder to get tics up there. On to DC which is good since that was where Xavier started their last elite 8 run.

Maybe XavierJ is on the committee? Mike Bobinski is that you?

[xavierj]

Playing Texas A&M

[LA Muskie]

We lost because of the A-10 Tourney format in which we had nearly a week to prepare, while the A-10 had the gall to give Dayton a couple days to travel? That goes down as one of the most absurd arguments I've ever seen. And as a lawyer, I see a lot of absurd arguments.

I'm disappointed that we lost this game. It will affect our seeding (I predict at least a 7 now -- and yes, possibly an 8). The difference between a 6/11 opening round and a 7/10 or 8/9 first game is huge.

But it is what it is. I suspect we've got a few banged up guys, and we know Tu, Cheeks and Dante could use some rest. So while I'd much prefer to have won, there is at least a silver lining.

[xavierj]

We lost because of the A-10 Tourney format in which we had nearly a week to prepare, while the A-10 had the gall to give Dayton a couple days to travel? That goes down as one of the most absurd arguments I've ever seen. And as a lawyer, I see a lot of absurd arguments.

I'm disappointed that we lost this game. It will affect our seeding (I predict at least a 7 now -- and yes, possibly an 8). The difference between a 6/11 opening round and a 7/10 or 8/9 first game is huge.

But it is what it is. I suspect we've got a few banged up guys, and we know Tu, Cheeks and Dante could use some rest. So while I'd much prefer to have won, there is at least a silver lining.

Get a grip. Like I said Xavier is a 6 seed this year. They were before and after today's game. Some people have to realize that Xavier was not the only team to lose. UCLA got buried by Oregon, Purdue got drilled by Michigan St. West Virginia lost to Marquette, Xavier lost to Dayton, UC got beat by 38, and Pitt lost to Connecticut. And those are just off the top of my head. As we know from past experience, conference tourney's have very little affect on seeding. The only thing that gets affected by conference tourney's is bids so Viillanova, Georgia and Marquette better hope Dayton does not win the A-10 tourney.

[LA Muskie]

Get a grip. Like I said Xavier is a 6 seed this year. They were before and after today's game. Some people have to realize that Xavier was not the only team to lose. UCLA got buried by Oregon, Purdue got drilled by Michigan St. West Virginia lost to Marquette, Xavier lost to Dayton, UC got beat by 38, and Pitt lost to Connecticut. And those are just off the top of my head. As we know from past experience, conference tourney's have very little affect on seeding. The only thing that gets affected by conference tourney's is bids so Viillanova, Georgia and Marquette better hope Dayton does not win the A-10 tourney.
Rather than making snide remarks, why don't we just wait and see on Sunday. I will be shocked if we get a 6. But you can say "I told you so" all you want if we do. Deal?

[paulxu]

That f***ing SUCKED!!!! I HATE Atlantic City!! I hate that stupid Dayton that spends the entire season tanking their RPI only to decide to play in the tournament when it's not going to matter. Unless by some miracle they pull off a win in the finals they will be lucky to get in the NIT. I'm so pissed right now.

Whoa! Slow down there. You did your part...kept the avatar streak alive. We were there, and could have had it. instead we get a big rest. Can't figure out your new avatar.

Now, about this unlady-like language....

[xavierj]

Rather than making snide remarks, why don't we just wait and see on Sunday. I will be shocked if we get a 6. But you can say "I told you so" all you want if we do. Deal?

Wasn't a snide comment. It was more come off the ledge and back to reality. What was Xavier's seed last year? They have a better resume this year and it's a weaker field.

[Snipe]

I still think we get a six. Dayton beat us by one and a troubling whistle. They played great and it is a credit to them. It is not a bad loss at all and would have been a credible win.

Who is taking bets? I want my money on a six.

I also think that XavierJ has some impressive moxie.

[TinCup2]

I am rooting for a Dayton - Richmand final and a Dayton win. We might get 4 teams that way. I hate to lose. Especially to the Flyers!

[gladdenguy]

Wasn't a snide comment. It was more come off the ledge and back to reality. What was Xavier's seed last year? They have a better resume this year and it's a weaker field.

I really hope you are right. You are giving me a sense of hope. Even though I don't know you, just your posting, you are making my night more enjoyable.

[xavierj]

I really hope you are right. You are giving me a sense of hope. Even though I don't know you, just your posting, you are making my night more enjoyable.

Hell I don't know exactly what will happen. I wouldn't be shocked to see a 5 but 6 seems likely. I highly doubt anything less than a 6. Most of the teams they are going against for the 4-6 seed range have lost. Xavier is not alone. Lunardi who has been dogging Xavier all year had Xavier as a 5 today. You also have to remember our respected AD is on the committee and he will not get screwed. If anything Xavier will get the benefit of the doubt. They played a tough schedule, they won their conference outright going 15-1, they have 24 wins, they have 7 losses and 4 are against teams who will be seeded between 3 and 9 in the tourney. If they are seeded any lower than a 6 they will have been screwed. Ain't happening.

[Masterofreality]

All I know is that I'm tired of The Midget's Maniacal Master Plan, which is:

Tank the regular season just enough to ensure an A-10 Tournament game against Xavier.

Well, I guess winning one out of five finally certifies his plan may work. It won an NIT for him last year after he played us and lost. This year it might finally steal him a bid.

Honestly. The best way to handle this is what I suggested earlier this week and what has also been suggested on this thread: Reshuffle the seeds after the first round where the lowest remaining plays #1. The winners are all coming to the Tournament site so there is no logistics problem. If you then tank the regular season, even if you win your first game, you will still have to play the best. This would have placed XU vs. St. Joes and udump vs Temple.

In any event, I would have hated to see three in three days and KING KENNY come out of it with a bad back or us coming back tired and hurt. We're still going to be a 6 or at worst a 7. Nobody cares that we lost in that stupid ass Tournament last year- all everyone remembers is the Sweet 16 and the K-State game just as in past years, all anyone remembers is the Elite 8.

Conference Tournaments as a rule are BS- and the Committee knows it. The only thing that they matter to are the bid-stealers.

[xsteve1]

All I know is that I'm tired of The Midget's Maniacal Master Plan, which is:

Tank the regular season just enough to ensure an A-10 Tournament game against Xavier.

Well, I guess winning one out of five finally certifies his plan may work. It won an NIT for him last year after he played us and lost. This year it might finally steal him a bid.

Honestly. The best way to handle this is what I suggested earlier this week and what has also been suggested on this thread: Reshuffle the seeds after the first round where the lowest remaining plays #1. The winners are all coming to the Tournament site so there is no logistics problem. If you then tank the regular season, even if you win your first game, you will still have to play the best. This would have placed XU vs. St. Joes and udump vs Temple.

In any event, I would have hated to see three in three days and KING KENNY come out of it with a bad back or us coming back tired and hurt. We're still going to be a 6 or at worst a 7. Nobody cares that we lost in that stupid ass Tournament last year- all everyone remembers is the Sweet 16 and the K-State game just as in past years, all anyone remembers is the Elite 8.

Conference Tournaments as a rule are BS- and the Committee knows it. The only thing that they matter to are the bid-stealers.


Exactly. Kenny wasn't himself today because of the back and by the end of the game Lyons and Holloway were gassed. A good week of rest and a wake up call from today should have our "Tiger Blood" boiling by next week.

[xsteve1]

I am rooting for a Dayton - Richmand final and a Dayton win. We might get 4 teams that way. I hate to lose. Especially to the Flyers!

Blasphemy. I could never root for those losers. They sure as hell don't root for us.

[Masterofreality]

The last 3 years, we did not win the A-10 Carnival.

Xavier's RPI as per CBS Sportsline was as follows pre and post Carnival:

2008-2009- Before 15, After 17. Resulting seed 4
2009-2010- Before 21, After 21. Resulting seed 6
2010-2011- Before 20, After 27 as of this morning. Resulting seed- Probable 6, could be a 7, but no worse.

The Committee discounts these post season Carnivals except for bid stealers and possible #1 changes, maybe. No body else in the same RPI ranges as us made any moves.

Everybody relax. We're in the Dance with a seed that is appropriate- and with a healthy, rested team.

[RealDeal]

Just 2 things to say after that game yesterday:

F THIS WHITE CLUB!

And

I HAVE CHAMPIONS IN THAT LOCKER ROOM!

That's all.

I feel better now.

[XULucho27]

I just want the best matchups. Sure it would be nice if we got Chicago, Cleveland and maybe DC, but if we got shipped to Tuscon and got favorable matchups I won't complain. If we fall to a 7 seed I want BYU to be the 2 seed in our region.

I thought I wanted BYU as well, but after Jimmer's 52 last night I want no part of that at all. We've had a problem all year getting lit up from beyond the arc. I want no part of Jimmer.

[The_Mack_Pack]

I thought I wanted BYU as well, but after Jimmer's 52 last night I want no part of that at all. We've had a problem all year getting lit up from beyond the arc. I want no part of Jimmer.

Jimmer scored 52 but New Mexico was in the game up until the final couple of minutes. New Mexico also lost a senior starter to injury in the first half, I'd still take BYU in our region.

[Espe]

I thought I wanted BYU as well, but after Jimmer's 52 last night I want no part of that at all. We've had a problem all year getting lit up from beyond the arc. I want no part of Jimmer.

I do. They have a six man rotation and they have one man taking 50% of their shots. They will not last long.

[AviatorX]

I do. They have a six man rotation and they have one man taking 50% of their shots. They will not last long.

On one hand I wouldn't mind going up against BYU in the second round or Sweet 16, but on the other hand, in March, you always want the best playmaker on the floor to be wearing your jersey -- I feel like Xavier will have that in just about any matchup with a few exceptions, BYU is one of them.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Jimmer plays no defense, at all. He can't afford to get in foul trouble or else BYU is in trouble. Not to mention they have no one even close to the size of Frease and McLean is a great rebounder as well. Jimmer wouldn't score 50 on us, he could score 30 but not 50. Plus whoever he's guarding, whether it be Holloway or Lyons, will probably be close to matching that as well because they'll just go right at him. BYU is a good team but they are the 2-3 seed that we want to play if it comes to that.

[xsteve1]

Holloway would go for 30 against BYU and Lyons would chip in with 20 or more. Bring em on in a second round matchup.

[paulxu]

Dante in today's Enquirer. "No excuses. No explanations."
I think he wants to be a coach.

[LA Muskie]

Wasn't a snide comment. It was more come off the ledge and back to reality. What was Xavier's seed last year? They have a better resume this year and it's a weaker field.
No ledge. Read my post. I'm fine with the loss (although I'd have preferred a win). I do think that it may affect our seeding, but I've tempered my opinion now. I don't see a 5 and I still think a 7 is possible. But so is a 6. And no way do we get an 8. So if you want you can say "I told you so" now.

[MuskiePimp23]

The thread began talking about the A-10 tourney and derailed to other things, but nothing says MID MAJOR than the format of our conference tourney...To truly be the #1 seed, the advantage is playing a lower seed, but every other MAJOR conference tourney, gets a bye and then plays withing 24 hours...There is no way in hell, that dayton would have been hitting all those shots, had they had to play in Atlantic City within 24 hours of our game...That negates the rest advantage that every MAJOR conference tourney affords to the higher seed...This is an example of the A-10 acting in a MID MAJOR type of way...This conference is a complete and utter joke, but unfortunately we have no place to go...I hope the Big East implodes and soon, so we can get a better conference alignment.

[Masterofreality]

The last 3 years, we did not win the A-10 Carnival.

Xavier's RPI as per CBS Sportsline was as follows pre and post Carnival:

2008-2009- Before 15, After 17. Resulting seed 4
2009-2010- Before 21, After 21. Resulting seed 6
2010-2011- Before 20, After 22 as of this morning. Resulting seed- Probable 6, could be a 7, but no worse.

The Committee discounts these post season Carnivals except for bid stealers and possible #1 changes, maybe. No body else in the same RPI ranges as us made any moves.

Everybody relax. We're in the Dance with a seed that is appropriate- and with a healthy, rested team.

Correction updated.

[boozehound]

I am rooting for a Dayton - Richmand final and a Dayton win. We might get 4 teams that way. I hate to lose. Especially to the Flyers!

No way the A-10 gets 4 teams in, IMHO. I would rather see Temple win, improve their seeding, and have a better chance for someone not named 'Xavier' to win an NCAA tournament game.

[bourbonman]

The thread began talking about the A-10 tourney and derailed to other things, but nothing says MID MAJOR than the format of our conference tourney...To truly be the #1 seed, the advantage is playing a lower seed, but every other MAJOR conference tourney, gets a bye and then plays withing 24 hours...There is no way in hell, that dayton would have been hitting all those shots, had they had to play in Atlantic City within 24 hours of our game...That negates the rest advantage that every MAJOR conference tourney affords to the higher seed...This is an example of the A-10 acting in a MID MAJOR type of way...This conference is a complete and utter joke, but unfortunately we have no place to go...I hope the Big East implodes and soon, so we can get a better conference alignment. .

Not sure I agree with everything you said but at least you get my frustration with the tourney format.

[xavierj]

No way the A-10 gets 4 teams in, IMHO. I would rather see Temple win, improve their seeding, and have a better chance for someone not named 'Xavier' to win an NCAA tournament game.

If Dayton would beat Richmond in the final the A-10 would absolutely get 4 teams in.

[xsteve1]

No way the A-10 gets 4 teams in, IMHO. I would rather see Temple win, improve their seeding, and have a better chance for someone not named 'Xavier' to win an NCAA tournament game.

I want Temple to win as well. I can't stand teams with losing conference records that get hot for a few days and takes a bid away from a more deserving team.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

I want Temple to win as well. I can't stand teams with losing conference records that get hot for a few days and takes a bid away from a more deserving team.

Except when we do it

[xsteve1]

Except when we do it


Don't think we've ever been below .500 in league play and won a conference tourney.

[QueensbridgeMF]

Don't think we've ever been below .500 in league play and won a conference tourney.

no but we were on the outside of the bubble in '04 before blowing out undefeated SJU and running the table

[Masterofreality]

And the bracket continues to fall apart in front of the Cryers. Temple goes down.

C'mon Richmond. Break their F-ing hearts!!!

[Bmuskie]

This is not an excuse, but for those that constantly remind us that there is no such thing as A10 refs, I will just say Joe DeMayo seemed to find his way to Atlantic City today. Thats after 3 refs quiit the Big East tourney. And for the record, he's awful.

He always seems to find a way to do Atlantic 10 games and he is simply horrific. It is embarrassing to watch. It is embarrassing for the Atlantic 10 to always get stuck with him. If you watched the Richmond Temple game today you saw how simply aweful he was. Even the broadcast crew continued to comment on it at the end of the game. Tomorrow's Championship game is on National TV on CBS. There is NO WAY that the A-10 can allow him to go out there and embarrass this league.

[xudash]

And the bracket continues to fall apart in front of the Cryers. Temple goes down.

C'mon Richmond. Break their F-ing hearts!!!

We have intelligent people in the form of Richmond coming into this game, versus Helter-Skelter. Helter-Skelter only beat the Hawks by 3 today.

I have a true and real feeling that they're going to start putting up 3's tomorrow to no avail - I mean they'll take the shots, but miss many of them; they won't make them the way they did against us.

The game may still be close for different reasons, but I see Richmond beating them tomorrow.

That will be bad for the league - 3 in versus 4, most likely - but it may not be as bad in the long run, perception-wise, as I believe Dayton will simply look stupid in Round One of the Dance were they to make it in tomorrow.

[X-band '01]

Folks, the A-10 is going to have a decent look at 4 bids should Dayton beat Richmond tomorrow. Like Bob Knight once said, just sit back and enjoy it if it's inevitable.

Too many other teams are wetting the bed for Richmond to be punished if they lose tomorrow.

[xu15]

Folks, the A-10 is going to have a decent look at 4 bids should Dayton beat Richmond tomorrow. Like Bob Knight once said, just sit back and enjoy it if it's inevitable.

Too many other teams are wetting the bed for Richmond to be punished if they lose tomorrow.

Digger Phelps had a cow on the air about how Richmond is considered in and not a few other middle of the run teams. He's senile.

[West is Best]

no but we were on the outside of the bubble in '04 before blowing out undefeated SJU and running the table

In 2004 XU was considered a lock after beating SJU, even if they lost the following games. Dayton winning the tournament would be more similar to 2006, where a underperforming XU team won 4 games in a row when it had no shot at an at-large bid.

[MuskiePimp23]

Nothing good comes from dayton getting in and embarrassing the league...This league sucks anyways, and does not deserve 4 bids and dayton would have to win to do that...I want to see the cryers try and defend their NIT title...Nothing good comes from dayton winning...ever.