pac ten tournament

[xubrew]

waggy is asleep at the wheel, so i'll get it going.

usc has some ugly losses on their profile, but they haven't been at full strength all year either. the've looked good down the stretch, and i wouldn't be surprised if they won the whole tournament.

they'll face the winner of oregon state v arizona tomorrow.

washington and washington state play later tonight. most believe washington to be in and wazzu to be out, but they may be able to play their way in if they can advance to the finals.

[Cincypunk.org]

USC's PG Jones looked like a complete badass in the highlights on ESPN. Ridiculous passes to set up his teamates...

[golfitup]

Go Beavers...

[waggy]

waggy is asleep at the wheel

I actually had to work a couple hours today. Sucked.

Caught the very end of Arizona vs. the Beavers. Not much to report. I did hear the announcers making some reference to Miller/Olson comparisons, again.

[jco17]

I actually had to work a couple hours today. Sucked.

Caught the very end of Arizona vs. the Beavers. Not much to report. I did hear the announcers making some reference to Miller/Olson comparisons, again.

Those are gonna happen as long as he is at Arizona. It's what will happen to anybody that takes over Syracuse, Duke, Maryland, and UConn whenever those coaches retire too. Just the nature of the beast. Lute hated the Pac 10 tournament, they were saying Miller likes it because of the extra exposure. Wazzu is a solid team, very tough. They lost the game to UCLA because their best player was suspened. They've struggled in Pac 10 play, but are a solid team and would deserve to be in the tournament if they can get to the finals.

I think the only 2 teams that are in for sure are UCLA and Arizona. If Washington wins their next game, they are in for sure. If Wazzu makes the finals, they may just be in over UDub. Not sure we are a 4 bid league this year. I think USC may have to win the tournament to get in. They are a really tough team to play too because of how ugly they make the game. They slow it way down and grind it out all game long. Very ugly basketball to watch.

[waggy]

Oregon kicking UCLA's ass right now. Up 15 late in the 1st half.

[waggy]

Oregon still kicking UCLA's ass - 72-52 - less than 2 to go. Could this knock UCLA out? Are they even in?

[Cincypunk.org]

I think the only 2 teams that are in for sure are UCLA and Arizona. If Washington wins their next game, they are in for sure. If Wazzu makes the finals, they may just be in over UDub.

Are Washington, Wazzu, and UDub three different teams?

[XUglow]

The Washington-Washington State game was a great basketball game. UW won 89-87. They put up 57 pts in the 2nd half to overcome a 43 point performance by Klay Thompson. The game went on until 2 am, but it was worth watching.

[AZtoCA]

USC Coach Kevin O'Neill in Drunken Altercation with Arizona Fans

Kevin O'Neill went on a drunken tirade along with his wife after beating Cal yesterday. In fact, he didn't even change his suit and went straight to the JW Marriott lobby bar.


http://www.pointguardu.com/content/kevin-o-neill-drunken-altercation-arizona-fans-659/

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss189/PointguardUcom/92054515-1.jpg

[jco17]

Are Washington, Wazzu, and UDub three different teams?

No Udub is Washington. Wazzu is obviously Washington State. Sorry for the confusion. UofA plays Udub in the finals Sat at 6pm on CBS or channel 21 on Dish Network.

[X-band '01]

This is a softball in MOR's wheelhouse - what the hell is Kevin O'Neill thinking?

[jco17]

This is a softball in MOR's wheelhouse - what the hell is Kevin O'Neill thinking?

The guy seriously is an absolute jerk. He's gonna be fired Monday most likely.

[X-band '01]

It's USC - you have to be an absolute jerk to coach there. Just ask Tim Floyd, Pete Carroll and Lane Kiffin.

[Masterofreality]

So, the Raccoon has another chance to foul up three in the last 10 seconds, cough.....cough....doesn't and Washington hits a 3 to tie and send it to OT.

I guess the guy never learns.

Hey Arizona. Welcome to the raccoon show!!!!!

[Masterofreality]

....And then Isaiah buries a jumper at the OT buzzer!!! U-DUB!!!!!

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

By the way. Gus Johnson could make a neighborhood bake sale sound exciting!!!!

[Michigan Muskie]

Wilcox has come to life. Isiah is nails. Washington will be a tough out.

And Gus Johnson can flat out call a game. Holy hell I love March!

[XU-PA]

Holy shit,,,,,,,, Isiah is THE Huskie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gotta say, Lo Romo has the balls of steel to call "Flat" there, ungodly!

[pizza delivery]

Awesome finish, it looked like AZ was going to pull it out. Parrom missed a key defensive assignment at the end of regulation.

[THRILLHOUSE]

So, the Raccoon has another chance to foul up three in the last 10 seconds, cough.....cough....doesn't and Washington hits a 3 to tie and send it to OT.

I guess the guy never learns.

Hey Arizona. Welcome to the raccoon show!!!!!

Wasn't really much of a chance to foul there. Parrom played bad D on the play, so finger should get pointed at him not Sean.

[Masterofreality]

Wasn't really much of a chance to foul there. Parrom played bad D on the play, so finger should get pointed at him not Sean.

Disagree. Thomas had the ball with under 8 seconds at the top of the key. Adequate time to reach in and foul. You should not ever give a team a chance to tie. Foul and put the heat on them to make free throws. Parrom sluffed off his guy later, but it never should have come to that.

The ball went through the net at 5.6 seconds. No way should you ever let the opposition a chance to tie.

[STL_XUfan]

Disagree. Thomas had the ball with under 8 seconds at the top of the key. Adequate time to reach in and foul. You should not ever give a team a chance to tie. Foul and put the heat on them to make free throws. Parrom sluffed off his guy later, but it never should have come to that.

The ball went through the net at 5.6 seconds. No way should you ever let the opposition a chance to tie.


I disagree, great teams shoot 50% from the field. Even lower from beyond the arc. Play good defense and deal with the tie if it happens. Too great of a chance that a player sees the foul coming and throws up the shot when contact is made (aka Tu Holloway). Put that player at the line for 3 and you now are looking at 80% from the stripe.

Not to mention the possibility of something crazy happening and the other team getting a win off a tip in. Sure the chances are low, but with playing good defense you know the worst you are going to get is the tie and even that is a toss up.

[Masterofreality]

I disagree, great teams shoot 50% from the field. Even lower from beyond the arc. Play good defense and deal with the tie if it happens. Too great of a chance that a player sees the foul coming and throws up the shot when contact is made (aka Tu Holloway). Put that player at the line for 3 and you now are looking at 80% from the stripe.

Not to mention the possibility of something crazy happening and the other team getting a win off a tip in. Sure the chances are low, but with playing good defense you know the worst you are going to get is the tie and even that is a toss up.

Doug Gottleib last night was questioning why not the foul.

Sorry. There are no three point free throws- unless you are Tu Holloway. Reach in, foul and don't even give the other team a chance to tie.

The chance of losing after fouling in that case is way lower than the chance that the other team will tie it. Why even give them the chance?

[golfitup]

Doug Gottleib last night was questioning why not the foul.

Sorry. There are no three point free throws- unless you are Tu Holloway. Reach in, foul and don't even give the other team a chance to tie.

The chance of losing after fouling in that case is way lower than the chance that the other team will tie it. Why even give them the chance?

The fact that Xavier fans question this logic continues to baffle me.

[Masterofreality]

The fact that Xavier fans question this logic continues to baffle me.

I also cannot forget that the next year, after the Ron Lewis heave, the raccoon had a 3 point lead at Cintas against SucKS. He then allowed the Borecats to come down the floor and Jihad Muhammed sank a 3 to tie the game at the buzzer to send the game to OT. Luckily enough, XU won, but how many times does that have to happen for this to sink in?

[THRILLHOUSE]

I also cannot forget that the next year, after the Ron Lewis heave, the raccoon had a 3 point lead at Cintas against SucKS. He then allowed the Borecats to come down the floor and Jihad Muhammed sank a 3 to tie the game at the buzzer to send the game to OT. Luckily enough, XU won, but how many times does that have to happen for this to sink in?

Apparently you have forgotten because the Jihad Muhammad game tying three happened in the Shootout the year before the Ron Lewis 3. That shootout was in 2006 when we lost to Gonzaga in the tourney.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I disagree, great teams shoot 50% from the field. Even lower from beyond the arc. Play good defense and deal with the tie if it happens. Too great of a chance that a player sees the foul coming and throws up the shot when contact is made (aka Tu Holloway). Put that player at the line for 3 and you now are looking at 80% from the stripe.

Not to mention the possibility of something crazy happening and the other team getting a win off a tip in. Sure the chances are low, but with playing good defense you know the worst you are going to get is the tie and even that is a toss up.

Agreed. Washington developed the play way too quickly to give Arizona a chance to foul. Had Thomas just been dribbling the ball around I agree you foul, but he did not wait around and attacked immediately. Arizona was never in position to foul. If Parrom is in proper position Washington does not have a wide open look at a 3 and we probably aren't having this discussion.

[Masterofreality]

Apparently you have forgotten because the Jihad Muhammad game tying three happened in the Shootout the year before the Ron Lewis 3. That shootout was in 2006 when we lost to Gonzaga in the tourney.

In retrospect, you are right....but that makes it even more agredious that he didn't call for a foul against the Luckeyes.

Bottom line, he's still screwed it up numerous times, and gotten burned.

[Masterofreality]

Arizona was never in position to foul.

This is dead wrong. Washington took the ball out of bounds with about 16 seconds to go, but Thomas had the ball in his hands in the frontcourt for at least 8 seconds before he ever passed it to the corner. He was even stopped from penetrating at the top of the key with about 10 seconds left then he moved to the left side and found his shooter. A reach in at that point was very possible. Thomas was not anywhere near a shooting motion. The ball went through the net at 5.6 seconds. That means that AZ had over 10 seconds at some point to foul.

Arizona screwed it up from all angles. Period.

[THRILLHOUSE]

This is dead wrong. Washington took the ball out of bounds with about 16 seconds to go, but Thomas had the ball in his hands in the frontcourt for at least 8 seconds before he ever passed it to the corner. He was even stopped from penetrating at the top of the key with about 10 seconds left then he moved to the left side and found his shooter. A reach in at that point was very possible. Thomas was not anywhere near a shooting motion. The ball went through the net at 5.6 seconds. That means that AZ had over 10 seconds at some point to foul.

Arizona screwed it up from all angles. Period.

I agree Arizona screwed up, but I'm still going with it was more bad defense cost Zona, not the lack of fouling. If Parrom stays with the guy that shot the 3, no one for Washington would have been open for 3, Thomas would have been stuck going for a tough 2 pointer or forcing the ball to someone on the perimeter. Arizona wins if they play better defense there. Period. TSNMike agrees too:

"@TSNMIke FWIW, the Washington possession went too fast for Arizona to foul. We saw what happened with St. John's. Gotta stay on shooter, give deuce."

At the end of the day, we are probably over-analyzing this. I don't think this game effected Arizona's seeding one way or another.

[THRILLHOUSE]

In retrospect, you are right....but that makes it even more agredious that he didn't call for a foul against the Luckeyes.

Bottom line, he's still screwed it up numerous times, and gotten burned.

If we had lost that game vs. UC then maybe Miller changes his philosophy during the OSU game. But since we had won that game Miller probably never really thought of that moment. After the OSU game every time we were in a similar situation Miller called for the foul (not sure what he has done in that situation at Arizona aside from yesterday, and we know my thoughts on that by now)

[jco17]

Parrom made an extremely bad decision at the end of regulation that left a shooter wide open. Poor execution lost us that game. He came in to help on Thomas, but should have been allowing the 2 and guarding the 3. He did the opposite and it cost us the game.