Dayton Daily News

[NKY_Muskie03]

This "news publication" from up north never fails to provide bulletin board material...

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/university-of-dayton-flyers/commentary-a-10-conference-overlooked-coaches-for-award-1102931.html

:sword:

[XBR1]

Moron.

[DC Muskie]

So in Doug Harris's World Chris Mack should never win COY honors in the A-10, because going from preseason pick of second to first isn't hard to do. But going 15-1 isn't easy.

I guess Doug didn't do his homework because Duquesne went 2-6 in the second half of the season.

Maybe guys didn't want to vote for a guy with that kind of streak.

[xavierj]

He said the A-10 coaches didn't do their homework. Maybe they did. Does he not realize that Duquesne lost 6 of their last 8 games in the A-10 and St. Bonnies lost 4 of 6? Now Karl Hobbs did deserve some consideration since his team continued to get better throughout the season and didn't tank.

Maybe Dougie could have given his choice for worst coach of the year. Wonder if he would choose the oompa loompa from up north?

[Muskie]

The article was on the margin of somewhat palatable until he threw Karl Hobbes in there.

[Pete Delkus]

Hey Doug...

"We're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.....fire your f'in ass because a loser is a loser. !

Go Xavier ... F the Losers!!!!

[X-man]

Doug also forgot that when Xavier was picked to finish second in the league, they were expected to have the services of Redford and Martin, along with the other freshmen. What an idiot.

[XUOHTX]

Wow...I started out thinking this guy might have a point to make but by the end realized he is an idiot. His entire basis for why a coach should win COY is the margin between what they were picked to finish and where they did finish? I guess nothing else comes in to play such as, Oh, I don't know, WINNING. I think most of the coaches did a fine job but none of them were coach of the year quality.

And to use his logic. Xavier was picked second when they were expected to have Martin and Redford. They lost both and we became an entirely different team. Add to that some other injuries and a 15-1 record in the conference and an outright title, and I think you have an undeniable Coach of the Year in Chris Mack.

[muethibp]

When he said that Chris Wright dropping to the third team was a shock, I assume he means that he was shocked that Chris Wright made any team at all, right? He's not suggesting that Chris Wright got less honors than he deserved, right? Right?

[PM Thor]

That pig farmer belongs in dayton.

He completely discounts what X lost, what X overcame in terms of injuries and losses, and how X started as to how X finished.

I'm glad he works for dayton. They deserve each other. He only says this stuff because it's an X coach winning the award. If it was anyone else, he wouldn't have said a peep. Knobber.

I HATE dayton.

[Emp]

Hey Doug...

"We're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.....fire your f'in ass because a loser is a loser. !

Go Xavier ... F the Losers!!!!

Mr Mamet's attorneys question whether this falls within the Fair Use Doctrine.......but fully agree that shoe fits.

[Masterofreality]

Second rate city, second rate newsrag equals second rate journalism.

[xuwin]

Amazing that they would choose to write an article like this instead of one about their basketball team.

[MrLookout9]

Amazing that they would choose to write an article like this instead of one about their basketball team.

I fail to be amazed....its Dayton, its expected

[DC Muskie]

When he said that Chris Wright dropping to the third team was a shock, I assume he means that he was shocked that Chris Wright made any team at all, right? He's not suggesting that Chris Wright got less honors than he deserved, right? Right?

Who the heck knows really. He was the best player on the 9th best team in the league.

[muskiefan82]

He did get one thing right...


He did recognize X as a "premier program". So, he has that going for him.

Why do I envision him as the kid who spent a great deal of time screaming, "It's not fair!!!"

[MrLookout9]

This "news publication" from up north never fails to provide bulletin board material...

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/university-of-dayton-flyers/commentary-a-10-conference-overlooked-coaches-for-award-1102931.html

:sword:

I guess all but 2 of the ESPN pollsters didn't do their homework either. Being faced with adversity early in the year, trying to find an offensive identity, and making the adjustments to be successful is great coaching.

Taking a loser and making them respectable is no small feat, but the Dukes failed down the stretch because their coach failed to adjust.

By this bass ackwards sense of logic, Bill Bellicheck should never win best coach because his team is expected to win every year. This is not a most improved award, this is the best coach.

[XUOHTX]

I just had to write this hack. My response below:

Mr. Harris,

I have to respond to your article in the DDN on Wednesday, March 9th, regarding the Atlantic 10 Coach of the Year, Chris Mack.

Yes, I am a Xavier grad and I'm sure my opinion is biased but I have to take issue with your stance on A10 COY.

You based your entire COY selection on where a team was picked to finish and where they actually finished in the A10 standings. This seems to be a little thin. You probably should include other factors such as, Oh, I don't know, WINNING. As you said, "going 15-1 in the conference isn’t easy." Duquesne and GW won 10 games and St. Bonaventure won 8, hardly COY worthy. Duquesne lost 6 of their last 8 games and the Bonnies lost 4 of their last 6. GW lost 4 games on their own court. A good start to the season does not make a COY, sustained success, constant improvement, and consistency does.

Ron Everhart is the closest to be considered. "If nothing else, he deserves formal recognition for leading a longtime loser into respectability." Yes, he does...and nothing else.

Let's take a look at your logic. Xavier was picked to finish second in the A10 when they were expected to have Justin Martin and Brad Redford. As soon as they lost those two they became a different team. If they had recast the vote at that point, I don't think they would have been picked second, maybe third or fourth? Would the "jump" from a third or fourth spot they never actually occupied be enough for you?

"Keeping a premier program at the top isn’t as tough as producing winners with much more limited resources." Are you sure about that? Ask around about what is harder, winning once, or repeating it.

I understand you have deadlines and quotas and word counts to think about, but before you submit an article, do a small amount of research. You might (will) find that your logic has some flaws and sometimes thoughtless regurgitation of opinions doesn't qualify as article worthy.

Regards,

[Muskied]

Doug also forgot that when Xavier was picked to finish second in the league, they were expected to have the services of Redford and Martin, along with the other freshmen. What an idiot.

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[muskiefan82]

Perhaps, as many have stated and/or thought, these A-10 awards really are for all of the other teams and when Xavier wins any of them the masses get in an uproar because the awards are for them, not for big, bad Xavier.

Xavier wins the big games, Xavier is on TV all the time and Xavier performs in March. These awards are for the teams that don't get to do all that cool stuff. Go away, jocks. leave the chess club alone!

[xsteve1]

There's a reason why Doug Harris is stuck in Dayton, Ohio. He's an idiot and has very little sports intelligence.

[West is Best]

There's a lesson to be learned in this - The Key to a Successful Season?

LOW EXPECTATIONS

:)

[KingCole]

The guy covers the Dayton Flyers and their head coach Brian Gregory. Clearly, he is not around quality coaching on a regular basis and does not realize or appreciate high quality coaching. Have the writers for the DDN rolled out the standard no hand shake article yet for the game on Friday?

[whitesox]

Come on, guys, didn't you know only two things matter for coach of the year? Just pre-season prediction and final season conference finish. Context, team improvements, injuries, stuff like that doesn't matter. It is only about which team improved most in the standings from the pre-season prediction!

What a ridiculous article.

[X Factor]

Hey guys, Brian Gregory did lead Dayton to 15 conference wins too. It just took him last year and this year
to get those 15 wins.

Past 2 years regular season conference record:

Mack 29-3
Gregory. 15-17

Doug Harris can eat a bag of you know what.

[xudash]

He did get one thing right: "Keeping a premier program at the top..."

[JAX 3758]

I think Gregory should have received some COY votes Dougie.

It takes a lot to "coach" a team who was picked to finish fourth in the pre season and then transform them into the joke that they are at this point...

[Mrs. Garrett]

Second rate city, second rate newsrag equals second rate journalism.

i just have to point out that you're giving Dayton way too much credit here. It's more of a third world crap hole than a second rate city.

[Espe]

Blackburn Review rips on "Dooger" as they call him, all of the time. Funny stuff as always from that site.

[Xavgrad08]

I am not sure why people are getting so worked up over what some writer in Dayton thinks. It's obvious that he is writing the article geared towards Dayton fans, who are probably sick of losing to X. Considering they can't beat us on the court, there only hope is for conference awards.

The writer made a point, albeit not logically and his readers who are Dayton fans will likely agree. Writing emails to him, and clicking on his article will likely only encourage him in the future to write something else idiotic.

[ATL Muskie]

Mick Cronin probably sent him an email crying, asking why he didn't get mentioned.

[DC Muskie]

Just the term "Dayton Daily News" cracks me up. Like there is enough shit going on up there on a daily basis that constitutes "news."

I read where Chris Wright woke up walked downstairs of the hotel and ate breakfast.

I'm waiting for the exclusive on Josh Benson going to class and taking a test.

Doug Harris would be all over that Watergate investigation.

[XULucho27]

Just the term "Dayton Daily News" cracks me up. Like there is enough shit going on up there on a daily basis that constitutes "news."

I read where Chris Wright woke up walked downstairs of the hotel and ate breakfast.

I'm waiting for the exclusive on Josh Benson going to class and taking a test.

Doug Harris would be all over that Watermelon-gate investigation.

fyp

[Muskied]

there's just one quote I can't get over...."Keeping a premier program at the top isn't as tough as producing winners with much more limited resources."

Spoken like a true under achiever. If it was so damn easy, why aren't other resourceful programs doing it?

[DC Muskie]

Spoken like a true under achiever. If it was so damn easy, why aren't other resourceful programs doing it?

Say like, Dayton?

[sgarcia]

What a great way to start a Friday morning by reading something as funny as that. So let's recap. COY should've went to Everhart (who's team has pulled a Villanova the 2nd half of the year), Hobbs or Schmidt (neither team even made it to Atlantic City!) What a clown. Yeah we were predicted to finish in 2nd place in the preseason. We also went 15-1 which I'm guessing is probably 3 more wins then the preseaon prediction thought we'd get. Oh and we played with 7 guys for the majority of the year too. Sorry we meet and exceed Xpectations on a yearly basis while the rest of the league decide to take an early vacation. I forget, was Dayton predicted near the top of the A10? I think Gregory should get the WCOY (Worst Coach Of Year) award. Chris (the human turnover machine) Wright got 3rd team all conference? Possibly the funniest decision that the A-10 has made in years. I could probably list 30 players in the conference that are better than he is. Mr. Harris, stop griping because the little Jesuit school continues to accomplishes things that Dayton never will. We might be south of you but you'll always be looking up at us. Enjoy today's beatdown.

[TJMuskie06]

It gets better fellow Muskie fans. Mr. Harris thinks that X is the 3rd best team in the conference. Here are his keys to UDump beating X today.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/university-of-dayton-flyers/heres-what-the-flyers-need-to-do-to-beat-xavier-1104319.html?cxtype=rss_university-dayton

[DC Muskie]

It gets better fellow Muskie fans. Mr. Harris thinks that X is the 3rd best team in the conference. Here are his keys to UDump beating X today.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/university-of-dayton-flyers/heres-what-the-flyers-need-to-do-to-beat-xavier-1104319.html?cxtype=rss_university-dayton

Good God.

In essence any one team can beat another. Dayton could beat us today. But to argue it because they ALMOST beat us twice before...is sort of laughable.

Kind of like us being the third best team despite you know, actually beating the two teams he thinks have better personnel. Because Doug has seen them up close.

He needs help. Clinical if possible. Willing to chip in. Let me know.

[xavierj]

Richmond has better personnel? This guy knows nothing about basketball. Xavier has 3 guys who would start at Richmond and then the first 3 guys off the bench would be Xavier guys. Richmond has 2 players and that is it. And why does everyone always have to have an excuse when they lose to Xavier? He says Temple was banged up. Well the clueless guy doesn't realize that Temple is more banged up now then they have been all year. Does that guy actually get paid to write this crap? Wow.

He sounds like random guy on UD Pride message board.

[Jumpy]

This guy is on a roll. Just more proof that dayton is home to the largest collection of idiots in the country.

[XUOWNSUC]

"And I understand Xavier rolled over Richmond — in Richmond — but I’m just going off the eye-ball test."

That's the best line right there.

[XUOHTX]

I had to email this hack, once again....

Mr. Harris,

I must apologize for my previous email regarding your stance on Atlantic 10 Coach of the Year, Chris Mack.

As I read that article I was under the impression you were a serious sports writer but after reading today's article I understand that you are simply doing a bit. Clearly you are one of modern day's all time greatest satirists. I have heard some really great ones but "I think the Atlantic 10 champions are only the third-best team in the league this year." and "And I understand Xavier rolled over Richmond — in Richmond — but I’m just going off the eye-ball test" are two of the best punch lines I have read.

Please let me know when your stand-up comedy tour comes around to Dallas, TX. I will always pay top dollar for a quality comedian.

Regards,

[XU05and07]

Second rate city, second rate newsrag equals second rate journalism.

MOR, I know you are a generous fellow but 2nd is too generous. I had to drive through dayton yesterday to take my wife to the airport. The only positive thing in that city is that the airport is cheap and takes you 30 seconds to get through security.

Other than that, dayton:
-smells
-looks like an early creating of Sim City (Super Nintendo version)
-has horrible highways
-has no life
-cannot wait for the Dragons' season to start so they have something positive and meaningful in the lives of the confinement camp

[Espe]

Dooger!!!

[Muskied]

I just wish our team had some motivation to play dayton....getting up for the conference tourney when your already in the dance can be challenging....oh wait....nevermind, thanks Mr. Harris.

[A10fan]

mantayjackson @RasheenDavis I'm more hungry than I ever have been.. The 3rd best team in the conference.

Think Dante noticed?

[TJMuskie06]

I love when sports "journalists" fan the flames of the Xavier fire. I know it gets under my skin as a fan, so I can only imagine the fire in the players hearts