Respect!

[MHettel]

Gotta respect BYU for kicking the starting forward off the team for an honor code violation.

Just happened apprarently, and thats it. Gone from the team, his future with the school still tbd.

Given their honor code, this could be just drinking a beer. Heck it may be a violation to even look at it through the glass case in the store.

And BYU is reasonably in the discussion for a 1 seed.

Now, I think their code might be a tad strict, but you have to respect the school for even, level, consistent enforcement of it's standards....

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Gotta respect BYU for kicking the starting forward off the team for an honor code violation.

Just happened apprarently, and thats it. Gone from the team, his future with the school still tbd.

Given their honor code, this could be just drinking a beer. Heck it may be a violation to even look at it through the glass case in the store.

And BYU is reasonably in the discussion for a 1 seed.

Now, I think their code might be a tad strict, but you have to respect the school for even, level, consistent enforcement of it's standards....

Understatement of the year

[CinciX12]

Mormons are completely crazy lunatics. They kicked a kid off the team for drinking and sleeping with a girl most likely. Total insanity.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Mormons are completely crazy lunatics. They kicked a kid off the team for drinking and sleeping with a girl most likely. Total insanity.

They kicked out one of their better football players last year because he knocked up his gf. His gf was an athlete too and also got kicked out of school. Those kids make possibly a huge mistake and BYU further punishes them by kicking them out of school one year away from their degree? Absolutely retarded. The couple ended up getting married and got multiple offers from schools to finish their degrees for free after the story got out so it ended up ok for them. You couldn't have payed me enough money to go to college at BYU though.

[GoMuskies]

Jim McMahon is bewildered.

[xudash]

Mormons are completely crazy lunatics. They kicked a kid off the team for drinking and sleeping with a girl most likely. Total insanity.

Or only sleeping with one girl.

[SixFig]

Or only sleeping with one girl.

Or looking at a girl with a shoulder exposed.

[CinciX12]

I think you have to look at what is crazier though.

Is BYU crazy for thinking the way that they do? Absolutely.

Are you an idiot for going there? Absolutely x2.

They make you completely aware of this stuff. You sign documents that give them the right to do it.

Brigham Young University is the largest collection of idiots that this world currently has out of its 6 billion inhabitants.

[xubrew]

is watching south park in violation of the honor code??

[GoMuskies]

Brigham Young University is the largest collection of idiots that this world currently has out of its 6 billion inhabitants.

You need to visit a little place in Greenville, SC by the name of Bob Jones University. Yes, the not-so-aptly-named BJU.

[waggy]

I wanna go to BJU. Wait, I mean I want to visit. Aw shit, nevermind.

[CinciX12]

is watching south park in violation of the honor code??

Lol like they let the filth of Comedy Central pollute their campus airwaves. I bet they think Dr. Phil and Oprah are immoral.

[CinciX12]

BYU is a joke of epic, and I mean EPIC proportions. Anyone who has any interest in attending this university is INSANE.

BYU 'Honor Code' (http://saas.byu.edu/catalog/2010-2011ucat/GeneralInfo/HonorCode.php#HCOfficeInvovement)

"Visitors of the opposite sex are permitted in living rooms and kitchens but not in the bedrooms in off-campus living units. The use of the bathroom areas by members of the opposite sex is not appropriate unless emergency or civility dictates otherwise, and then only if the safety, privacy, and sensitivity of other residents are not jeopardized."

[wkrq59]

Oh hallowed and opinionated brethern. Do not be too quick to rip into BYU and the Mormons.
Think back a few years. A coach named Skip Prosser suspended two of his better players, Pete Sears and DeWaun Rose, for one game after they were arrested after a dispute with a bartender and caught drinking in a bar near the UC campus. Rose and Sears both of age, were served by a bartender named Terry Nelson a former UC player. Unfortunately, the game they were suspended for was against Georgetown Hoyas in the first round of the NCAA tournament which Xavier lost. Both Sears and Rose received their degrees. I believe Rose, who had already landed an extremely well-paying job having graduated the year before, received his masters degree. The players had broken a team rule, no alcohol during the season. Rose lost the job, by the way.
Prosser waited to announce the suspension toll game day, but he said the two broke a team rule and that was that. Sears was a starter and Rose, 6-9 or 6-10, would have been big help against G-Town.

:logo::shield::sword:

[PM Thor]

BYU has their code. Everyone knows what it is when they go there.

I love the fact they kicked the kid out. Break the rules? Sorry, doesn't matter if you are a basketball player, you have violated school rules.

Flashback to Prosser and the Georgetown NCAA game...seriously, one of the proudest moments I have ever had as a Xavier fan/alum.

I HATE dayton.

[nuts4xu]

If having sex with women, drinking alcohol, gambling, having inappropriate thoughts about women, enjoying cigars, using cuss words, and experimenting with mother nature is wrong...

then I don't want to be right!

BYU can eat a bag of dicks!!

[nuts4xu]

Skip Prosser did the right thing, but no one can change my mind that DeWaun Rose is a Great American!!

Pete Sears...he's ok too.

[xtremefan13]

according to what I read, Davies drank an espresso.....no joke!

[MCXU]

I will say one thing in BYU's defense. I have worked with more than a few BYU grads and they are top notch, know there sh*t people/businessmen. Some of the smartest, most disciplined peolpe I have ever met.

Having said that, the University needs to give this kid another shot. Everyone deserves a second chance.

[kyxu]

Having said that, the University needs to give this kid another shot. Everyone deserves a second chance.

Of course. I mean, weren't the founders paying attention to Jesus' teachings of forgiveness that time when he came to the United States?

[Titanxman04]

BYU has their code. Everyone knows what it is when they go there.

I love the fact they kicked the kid out. Break the rules? Sorry, doesn't matter if you are a basketball player, you have violated school rules.

Flashback to Prosser and the Georgetown NCAA game...seriously, one of the proudest moments I have ever had as a Xavier fan/alum.

I HATE dayton.

First off, this is absolutely right. You don't have to agree with their religion or their ethics code. You didn't go there, so it's not your worry. These kids attend this university because it's a faith-based school that offers an excellent education. They know the rules when they go i and they knew what they could and couldn't do. They violated those rules and the university stuck with code and kicked those students out.

Do I agree with them on a personal level? No. But I didn't go there for a reason.

The lady attends dental school at UK and there is a high percentage of Mormons in the field. Kind of odd when you think about it, but there they are. I've gotten to know some of these future dentists and its disappointing whenever we go to an event with alcohol, because they don't show up. They are incredibly nice and a number of them, attended BYU.

It's the American thing to do to celebrate and live out your religious beliefs in the manner that you see fit. These kids did/do that. They go to that school. I applaude the university for treating their athletes no different than a regular student.

I see nothing wrong with this. If these kids wanted to have sex out or marriage or drink an espresso or drink a beer (or whatever their violations include), then they should have gone to a different school. They chose BYU.

[X-band '01]

BYU has their code. Everyone knows what it is when they go there.

I love the fact they kicked the kid out. Break the rules? Sorry, doesn't matter if you are a basketball player, you have violated school rules.

Flashback to Prosser and the Georgetown NCAA game...seriously, one of the proudest moments I have ever had as a Xavier fan/alum.

I HATE dayton.

I'm repping this the first opportunity ObamaHood lets me do so. It's not funny cracking on BYU for their honor code, but I agree that their student-athletes have to know what they're getting into when they sign on with them.

[xuwin]

They kicked out one of their better football players last year because he knocked up his gf. His gf was an athlete too and also got kicked out of school. Those kids make possibly a huge mistake and BYU further punishes them by kicking them out of school one year away from their degree? Absolutely retarded. The couple ended up getting married and got multiple offers from schools to finish their degrees for free after the story got out so it ended up ok for them. You couldn't have payed me enough money to go to college at BYU though.

I'm sure they knew the rules when they enrolled.

[danaandvictory]

BYU is the most tightassed organization in the entire United States, and any athlete (or student generally) that's not all-in with the Mormon lifestyle is an idiot for going to school there.

[xavierj]

The question is though if this guy was married to multiple women would he get the boot?

[Kahns Krazy]

The intolerance of another religion's beliefs in this thread is somewhat surprising to me.
If I didn't read this thread, I never would have learned that all mormons are "idiots" and "retarded".

Now I'm off to drink some cheap wine that has been magically converted to the blood of a guy who has been dead for 2000 years. I'm sure glad my religion doesn't have any stupid ideas.

[paulxu]

I think we are missing some middle ground here.
Prosser suspended the guys for one game for breaking a rule.
BYU kicked the guy out for breaking a rule.

Does BYU have sort of an all-or-nothing policy? The suspension idea (for minor infractions) gives the school an opportunity to discipline and create a learning experience. Maybe the kid had a major violation, but maybe they could revisit the all-or-nothing approach.

I live very close to BJU. Same deal as BYU. Problems arise when the school code creates infringement on an adult's rights under our constitution...i.e. they could kick you out in the old days if you were in a bi-racial dating situation, holding hands on campus, etc. Some of that has changed.

[drudy23]

Is this really the lead thread on the Xavier b-ball board on Senior Night?

Get this thread to NCAA or something.

[Westside_D]

The intolerance of another religion's beliefs in this thread is somewhat surprising to me.
If I didn't read this thread, I never would have learned that all mormons are "idiots" and "retarded".

Now I'm off to drink some cheap wine that has been magically converted to the blood of a guy who has been dead for 2000 years. I'm sure glad my religion doesn't have any stupid ideas.

Classic!

[DC Muskie]

Yeah, transubstantion is such a stupid idea, especially for a foundation of faith. It's just like drinking a beer.

[blobfan]

I will say one thing in BYU's defense. I have worked with more than a few BYU grads and they are top notch, know there sh*t people/businessmen. Some of the smartest, most disciplined people I have ever met.

Having said that, the University needs to give this kid another shot. Everyone deserves a second chance.

My limited experience with people people of the Mormon faith is that they are hard-working, intelligent, polite, and don't try to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throats. They may not join the party but when you invite them, they don't get offended and start preaching that you are living your life wrong. I'll take that over my experiences with other Protestants sects. At least they recognize that Catholics are part of the greater Christian faith. I'm shocked at the number of people that think that's not true.

I also remember some very polite BYU fans visiting X message boards when we played them in the NCAA tourney a few years back.


The question is though if this guy was married to multiple women would he get the boot?

Yes. The main body of the Mormon church does not condone polygamy.

[eXdrummer]

My limited experience with people people of the Mormon faith is that they are hard-working, intelligent, polite, and don't try to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throats. They may not join the party but when you invite them, they don't get offended and start preaching that you are living your life wrong. I'll take that over my experiences with other Protestants sects. At least they recognize that Catholics are part of the greater Christian faith. I'm shocked at the number of people that think that's not true.

I also remember some very polite BYU fans visiting X message boards when we played them in the NCAA tourney a few years back.



Yes. The main body of the Mormon church does not condone polygamy.

Maybe not in everyday situations, but I would say they try to sway others to their beliefs more than almost any religion. I've never had anyone besides Mormons come to my door to try to convince me to join their church.

[Titanxman04]

The intolerance of another religion's beliefs in this thread is somewhat surprising to me.
If I didn't read this thread, I never would have learned that all mormons are "idiots" and "retarded".

Now I'm off to drink some cheap wine that has been magically converted to the blood of a guy who has been dead for 2000 years. I'm sure glad my religion doesn't have any stupid ideas.

Well said. Reps.


Maybe not in everyday situations, but I would say they try to sway others to their beliefs more than almost any religion. I've never had anyone besides Mormons come to my door to try to convince me to join their church.

They knock on your door and ask to talk to you. If you turn them down, they acknowledge your refusal and politely leave. They don't shove anything down your throat. They preach their beliefs, sure. Is it odd to have a couple of guys step on your doorstep and try to talk to you? Well, not if you're Drews Crew. But otherwise, ya, it kind of it. But simply say no thanks and they are on their way. I think saying that they "shove their religion down your throat" is an over-statement of what happens.

I don't see the harm in it.

I also am shocked at the kind of non-acceptance that some members are showing on this board towards BYU and the Mormon faith. I've had nothing but good experiences with Mormons. Retarded? I think that's really harsh to say. Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it "retarded".

[xuwin]

Maybe not in everyday situations, but I would say they try to sway others to their beliefs more than almost any religion. I've never had anyone besides Mormons come to my door to try to convince me to join their church.

Is there something wrong with that? They certainly don't bother me when they come around once or twice a year. When I indicate that I'm not interested they are always courteous and leave. Catholics can be pretty pushy too where their religion is concerned?

[drudy23]

BYU Honor Code
BYU has had a strict policy of enforcing the honor code. This past football season, running back Harvey Unga was suspended for a violation of the honor code. The BYU honor code statement, from the BYU undergraduate handbook, consists of:

• Be honest
• Live a chaste and virtuous life
• Obey the law and all campus policies
• Use clean language
• Respect others
• Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee and substance abuse
• Participate regularly in church services
• Observe the Dress and Grooming Standards
• Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code

No coffee or tea? Huh?

I've broken at least 3 in my first two hours of work today.

[eXdrummer]

I apologize, I was not intending to disrespect the Mormon faith in any way. Mormons have always been very polite in my limited experience with them. That was why I changed it from "shoving beliefs down throats" to simply "swaying beliefs". I am well aware that many other religions (Catholics included) also can be as pushy, if not moreso, than Mormons. They are just the ones whom jokes are consistently made of about their door to door work.

Edit: I hadn't read the first few pages of this thread until now...Upon reading them, I realize my first post probably seemed more insulting than it was intended as if I were trying to pile on the insults of BYU. Next time, I'll read the whole thread before I comment on it.

[DC Muskie]

The intolerance of another religion's beliefs in this thread is somewhat surprising to me.
If I didn't read this thread, I never would have learned that all mormons are "idiots" and "retarded".

Now I'm off to drink some cheap wine that has been magically converted to the blood of a guy who has been dead for 2000 years. I'm sure glad my religion doesn't have any stupid ideas.


Well said. Reps.

I certainly hope you mean the first part, which I agree with, and certainly not the last part which is incredibly insulting.

[Smails]

Guys..I think were missing the bigger picture here. There's a pretty talented player out there who will be looking for a team. Our track record with transfers is not too shabby..

[The_Mack_Pack]

Guys..I think were missing the bigger picture here. There's a pretty talented player out there who will be looking for a team. Our track record with transfers is not too shabby..

Do we really want some coffee drinking, word swearing, sex monger on our team? He'd fit right in on Xavierhoops though.

[MHettel]

• Be honest
• Live a chaste and virtuous life
• Obey the law and all campus policies
• Use clean language
• Respect others
• Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee and substance abuse
• Participate regularly in church services
• Observe the Dress and Grooming Standards
• Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code

.

I broke everyone of these before the end of Manresa.

[GoMuskies]

Sears and Rose got arrested. An arrest that made the Cincinnati newspapers. Skip made the right choice to suspend those guys, but let's not pretend it was a similar situation. Maybe I'm wrong, but I highly doubt Rose and Sears would have been suspended if it was just Chief Couch who saw them sucking back a beer on campus.

[Ledgewood]

I broke everyone of these before the end of Manresa.

hahahaha. nice.


who wants to go to a college with no college in it?

[ConfusedBulldog]

If BYU stands by their honor code and decides to not let Brandon Davies play, then they've done something that Ohio State couldn't do during football season: respect and maintain the integrity of the athletic program in light of potential success.

As much as I or anyone else disagrees with their standards, it's admirable they're sticking to their guns. If Xavier or any other team I follow did the same thing, I'd respect the university's choice. It's more than building a team of talented players, it's creating a program of integrity with athletes who have character and respect. (Wasn't that the argument for X during the Huggy years at UC?)

[PMI]

The BYU team is obviously distraught and deflated that one of their own went and had sex, coming out very flat against New Mexico tonight.

[GoMuskies]

The BYU team is obviously distraught and deflated that one of their own went and had sex, coming out very flaccid against New Mexico tonight.

Perhaps you meant?

[ConfusedBulldog]

The Cougars are abstaining from offense tonight

[CinciX12]

Perhaps you meant?

Obviously Davies does not have a flaccid problem. In fact, he has so little of a problem with it the Mormons have decided to ruin his life and kick him out of college.

[WestFan]

Obviously Davies does not have a flaccid problem. In fact, he has so little of a problem with it the Mormons have decided to ruin his life and kick him out of college.

You mean he decided to break the rules he agreed to and ruin his own life?
I'm not absolutely sure but I think his Mother is LDS, therefore he is and they consider the code the way they should live their life.

Jehovah's Witness, can't beat them off with a stick. Remember the Watchtower?

Most religions have some strange beliefs. I know people who think a lot of Catholicism is paganistic and Baptists are bible thumping hypocrites.
So that's why there's freedom of religion.

If UNM can pull this out that will be 4 times they've beat BYU in the last two years. (of course you always have to factor in the MWC refs and their protectionism of Jimmer)

[CinciX12]

I know that he broke rules he willingly knew of. I have to admit that of course. Doesn't mean I have to think BYU is a place full of anything but nut jobs though.

[WestFan]

Nope. You're entitled to your opinion, protected by the same amendment that allows the subject of the discussion.

Jimmer's Dad is LDS, his Mom is still a Catholic he chose LDS. Strange combination.

[waggy]

I applaud BYU placing principles before winning. They are either principles or they are not. I think the interesting question is whether the adherence to these principles glorifies Christ. If nothing else it makes people think, and that's a start.

[CinciX12]

I applaud BYU placing principles before winning. They are either principles or they are not. I think the interesting question is whether the adherence to these principles glorifies Christ. If nothing else it makes people think, and that's a start.

That is said way more eloquently than I have been attempting. Its not that I find BYU insane based on their actually having a spine when it comes to what they believe in, its because I cannot take anyone seriously who thinks that this is truly with what God would and does want. It makes no sense. Why would you explicitly say coffee and caffeine is bad, but not rule out something far more serious?

[ConfusedBulldog]

Beyond the humor that's come from this incident -which I've taken part of- what's amazed me thus far is that people are more upset with the university's response to his conduct rather than people calling out him and his actions.
This isn't to come off as if it's from an ivory tower, but don't his actions (pre-marital sex) merit more condemnation then the school's commitment to its honor code? (This coming from a Catholic's pov) Maybe it's just the current zeitgeist and what we value, but it does seem odd that most the focus is on the university and the honor code rather than the student's actions.

[PMI]

Beyond the humor that's come from this incident -which I've taken part of- what's amazed me thus far is that people are more upset with the university's response to his conduct rather than people calling out him and his actions.
This isn't to come off as if it's from an ivory tower, but don't his actions (pre-marital sex) merit more condemnation then the school's commitment to its honor code? (This coming from a Catholic's pov) Maybe it's just the current zeitgeist and what we value, but it does seem odd that most the focus is on the university and the honor code rather than the student's actions.

Probably because most of us believe he didn't do anything wrong.

[waggy]

I don't know the facts. Was it sex or a latte?

[Blueblob4life]

I don't know the facts. Was it sex or a latte?

Apparently it was premarital sex with his girlfriend.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6175090

my favorite line though: Davies was one of Jimmer Fredette's favorite targets in the post, ran the floor well and gave the Cougars length and size inside.

That's what his girlfriend was thinking. BOOM!

Sucks that he got the boot for getting laid, but he knew the Code, they have standards, and he failed to meet them. I hope that he can at least stay in school there, but an offense like premarital sex says probably not.

[nuts4xu]

It is amazing to hear of a college age kid engaging in premarital sex! WTF is wrong with this world?

[xsteve1]

What a joke. Premarital sex and no caffeine or alcohol. Stupid religious BS.

[DC Muskie]

I am in compliance of BYU's honor code.

[Cincypunk.org]

That is said way more eloquently than I have been attempting. Its not that I find BYU insane based on their actually having a spine when it comes to what they believe in, its because I cannot take anyone seriously who thinks that this is truly with what God would and does want. It makes no sense. Why would you explicitly say coffee and caffeine is bad, but not rule out something far more serious?

I can't take anyone seriously who believes in "God."

Lol.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I am in compliance of BYU's honor code.

No one doubted that. :D

Edit: Well except maybe a few dead hookers.

[xubrew]

i don't think his life is ruined....at least i hope not. i'm guessing/hoping for davies sake that byu will allow him to finish the semester before they dismiss him from school. he can transfer, still play two years after sitting out a year, and even possibly get a year of grad school out of it. that's not a ruined life. that's a change of path and nothing more. he may actually like it better wherever he ends up.

what would really suck is if they opted to expel him right away and not complete his current classes. then he'd lose a year of eligibility, AND not earn any credit for the classes he's currently in, which would make it much harder to gain eligibility at any point.

i don't think byu is interested in doing the latter, though. when it comes to the LDS, i agree with almost none of it, but it's my experience that they really aren't a vindictive bunch. if you're not with them, they're fine with that, or at the very least they keep it to themselves if they're not fine with it.

i would never EVER run my shop the way byu runs theirs. however, byu is not my shop, nor is it the shop where i do business. they are crystal clear about it. do business this way or do it somewhere else. i don't really hold them at fault because at least they're up front about it.

[Ledgewood]

I'm intolerant of ALL religions equally.

[GuyFawkes38]

Yes, I'm sure BYU is completely up front with recruits.

But at 16 or 17 years old, does a kid really know what he's in for. Does he have the wisdom to make that type of commitment for 4 years of his life. Does the kid fully understand the setback a violation of the code would mean for his life and future.

I think this will hurt BYU's recruiting in the future. And it should.

[danaandvictory]

Yes, I'm sure BYU is completely up front with recruits.

I'm positive that they are.


But at 16 or 17 years old, does a kid really know what he's in for. Does he have the wisdom to make that type of commitment for 4 years of his life. Does the kid fully understand the setback a violation of the code would mean for his life and future.

You could say the exact same thing about the service academies. Lots of kids wash out of West Point and Annapolis because they are unprepared for the environment or cannot fulfill the requirements of the honor code. This is pretty much the same thing.


I think this will hurt BYU's recruiting in the future. And it should.

I think this is completely wrong. BYU isn't exactly recruiting from the population at large. It's still the educational arm of the Mormon church. Catholics and Protestants aren't lining up to enroll in the first place. BYU's honor code is no secret.

[DC Muskie]

Why should it hurt their recruiting?

[dc_x]

I think this is completely wrong. BYU isn't exactly recruiting from the population at large. It's still the educational arm of the Mormon church. Catholics and Protestants aren't lining up to enroll in the first place. BYU's honor code is no secret.

Agreed. BYU sports are the Mormon all-stars. They don't recruit.

[GuyFawkes38]

I believe this is the first major punishment given for a violation of the honor code by a football or basketball athlete (that, itself, seems more than odd).

To a BYU recruit and his parents, it had to be more than a little comforting that the honor code, from the outside, did not have negative consequences on the athletes, but was only a force of good.

[GuyFawkes38]

Agreed. BYU sports are the Mormon all-stars. They don't recruit.

what are the numbers? I've heard they have a sizable chunk of non-LDS members.

[dc_x]

what are the numbers? I've heard they have a sizable chunk of non-LDS members.

I know the general student population is 98% Mormon. I have never seen numbers on just athletes.

I used to work with a BYU grad and he is the one who used the phrase "Mormon All Stars" to describe their sports teams.

I have read that Davies is Mormon.

[chico]

I believe this is the first major punishment given for a violation of the honor code by a football or basketball athlete (that, itself, seems more than odd).

To a BYU recruit and his parents, it had to be more than a little comforting that the honor code, from the outside, did not have negative consequences on the athletes, but was only a force of good.

Their all-time leading rusher and his girlfriend, who I believe was a volleyball player, were both suspended when she became pregnant.

[GuyFawkes38]

Their all-time leading rusher and his girlfriend, who I believe was a volleyball player, were both suspended when she became pregnant.

my fault. That's right.

So just 2 serious violations in bball and football. And both are very recent.

I think this might raise some flags for recruits and their parents.

[Masterofreality]

On Sporting News radio today, they reported that Davies was suspended for "taking a test drive with his girlfriend."

Really. That is what they reported, numerous times.

Is that some kind of cryptic Mormon language of saying that they banged before a ceremony, or were they buying a new car?

[Blueblob4life]

The one thing I really want to know is how the school found out about them having teh sex. If it was a self-reported violation, I have even more respect for Davies and his girlfriend. Otherwise, I think someone is creeping way too hard on the youngins at BYU and people heard too much.

[ConfusedBulldog]

The one thing I really want to know is how the school found out about them having teh sex. If it was a self-reported violation, I have even more respect for Davies and his girlfriend. Otherwise, I think someone is creeping way too hard on the youngins at BYU and people heard too much.

This article on deadspin, http://deadspin.com/#!5775738/a-byu-grad-on-brandon-davies-sex-and-the-universitys-double-standard , seems to suggest that it was another player or person that ratted him out rather than him coming clean.

"Remember, if this thing gets messy, we never talked.... Real quiet. You gotta creep, creep."

[STL_XUfan]

http://deadspin.com/#!5775738 (http://deadspin.com/#%215775738)

Deadspin has an excellent article on the whole situation written by someone who attended BYU. From the author's perspective the school only really enforces this honor code against athletes, and do so in a very public fashion to show off the honor code to the rest of the nation. If true, it makes you feel a little more for Davies.

**Confused beat me by a minute.

[Kahns Krazy]

I really don't get why people are all bent out of shape. Nobody is sending the kid to prison, he got kicked off the team for breaking a rule.

I can sit here in my house or go out to a bar and get shitbuckled all day every day, but if I do it at work, I would get fired. The same rules do not apply everywhere. The rules at BYU are different. The kid broke them and is now paying the consequences. Life lesson.

[GuyFawkes38]

On the BYU basketball board I noticed several posters stating that nearly everyone violates the code.

[GuyFawkes38]

I really don't get why people are all bent out of shape. Nobody is sending the kid to prison, he got kicked off the team for breaking a rule.

I can sit here in my house or go out to a bar and get shitbuckled all day every day, but if I do it at work, I would get fired. The same rules do not apply everywhere. The rules at BYU are different. The kid broke them and is now paying the consequences. Life lesson.

Saudi Arabia has the right to create and enforce any law it wants to. But I disagree that women should not be allowed to drive. We should all mock Saudi Arabia for that.

Likewise, BYU has the right to create that code and enforce it. But it's also fine for people to express how ridiculous the BYU honor code is. I think it's a healthy thing for society to do.

[SixFig]

On the BYU basketball board I noticed several posters stating that nearly everyone violates the code.

Doesn't make it right, though.

If Davies self reported his violation then more power to him, and less power to those who sign the code, break it, and then keep it secret.

[danaandvictory]

Hmm...that Deadspin article really brings out the spectre of selective enforcement. And, given the institutional LDS church's history with African Americans ... I don't know. They need to get out in front of this.

[BandAid]

I can't take anyone seriously who believes in "God."

Lol.


I'm intolerant of ALL religions equally.


I'm not Mormon, but I do believe in God and am religious...so I must conclude that you can't take me seriously and that you are intolerant towards me.

Why you guys gotta do me like that?

[Kahns Krazy]

Saudi Arabia has the right to create and enforce any law it wants to. But I disagree that women should not be allowed to drive. We should all mock Saudi Arabia for that.

Likewise, BYU has the right to create that code and enforce it. But it's also fine for people to express how ridiculous the BYU honor code is. I think it's a healthy thing for society to do.

Uh, do you not see the difference between being born in Saudi Arabia and enrolling in BYU? Moreover, do you not see the difference in the punishment for violating the associated rules?

[XU-07]

Nigel Powers: All right Goldmember. Don't play the laughing boy. There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.
Goldmember: What? Take the fahza away! Dutch hater! And now, it is time to say goodbye. Dr. Evil's orders. Which, for you, is bad news bears,
[talks in a deep vioce]
Goldmember: Walter Matthau.

[CinciX12]

http://deadspin.com/#!5775738 (http://deadspin.com/#%215775738)

Deadspin has an excellent article on the whole situation written by someone who attended BYU. From the author's perspective the school only really enforces this honor code against athletes, and do so in a very public fashion to show off the honor code to the rest of the nation. If true, it makes you feel a little more for Davies.

**Confused beat me by a minute.

I officially hate BYU. If everything in that story is in fact true then I am speechless.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Dave Rose may be jumping at the bit to get the hell out of there if a good offer comes around this spring. He loses Jimmer, this Davies thing will be a long-lasting issue, and the team is heading to the WCC (why, I don't know). This might be the start of the implosion of BYU.

[DoubleD86]

I am not very religious. I will throw that out up front. But here is my problem with the "outrage" coming from this board on this situation.

The kid was kicked off of BYU's team for breaking the Honor Code. His "offense" was premarital sex with his girlfriend. This board, many members of the Catholic/Christian faith, and all fans of a Jesuit institution, mock this decision. However, that offense is also considered a sin in our own religion (I am a baptized and confirmed Catholic). So I don't get why this fan base is condemning the school for enforcing the Honor Code, when the violation is also a violation of our own religion's rules.

The Jesuit way and Jesuit beliefs are often touted on this board. Yet the fan base is condemning an institution for enforcing their own religious rules that coincide with ours. I can understand the people who don't understand or agree with the rules pertaining to caffeine and alike. But the rule he broke also breaks our religious beliefs. So I don't understand the problem with this situation.

And I know some will think, "Yeah but Christianity teaches forgiveness." My response would be that the religion also punishes people and has means of earning that forgiveness. Losing his ability to play basketball this year is that punishment.

[STL_XUfan]

An in depth story from Deadspin about the ugly truth of the BYU honor code:

http://deadspin.com/#!5791461/the-truth-about-race-religion-and-the-honor-code-at-byu (http://deadspin.com/#%215791461/the-truth-about-race-religion-and-the-honor-code-at-byu)

[XUFan09]

An in depth story from Deadspin about the ugly truth of the BYU honor code:

http://deadspin.com/#!5791461/the-truth-about-race-religion-and-the-honor-code-at-byu (http://deadspin.com/#%215791461/the-truth-about-race-religion-and-the-honor-code-at-byu)

Wow...just wow.

[GuyFawkes38]

you won't see ESPN or Sports Illustrated delve into this issue. Bravo to Deadspin.

[MADXSTER]

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-basketball/2011/8/27/2387991/brandon-davies-reinstated-byu-basketball

Brandon Davies Reinstated To BYU Basketball Team

Brandon Davies has been reinstated at BYU and is clear to rejoin the basketball team according to a report from CBSSports.com. Davies was dismissed from the team and kicked out of school when he admitted to having premarital sex with his girlfriend, a violation of BYU's honor code.

Davies' return should give the Cougars a major boost heading into the season. BYU will have one of the toughest tasks of any team in college basketball in replacing Jimmer Fredette, last year's unanimous player of the year