A-10 Haunts Sean Miller

[GoMuskies]

Well, at least one guy who used to be in the A-10. Jio Fontan had 21 tonight in USC's win over 'Zona.

With Pecora coaching, Fordham probably wouldn't be terrible this year if Fontan had hung around. Gaston and Fontan would have been a helluva one-two punch at least.

[Masterofreality]

And, ahem, #10 (?) goes down.

I guess the reason is the recruiting fits and starts along with not being on TV enough.

Ahem, ahem.

[Ledgewood]

I HATE Sean Miller.

[gladdenguy]

I HATE Sean Miller.

Me too....and I LOVE CHRIS MACK.

[xsteve1]

I HATE Sean Miller.

Why do you hate him he elevated the program and mentored Chris Mack. The only reason to dislike him is in the manor he left. Great Coach IMO.

[PMI]

Thad Matta and Sean Miller are two of the greatest things that have ever happened to Xavier basketball.

[Ledgewood]

Why do you hate him he elevated the program and mentored Chris Mack. The only reason to dislike him is in the manor he left. Great Coach IMO.

That's easy. A girl can be the best lay I ever had, but I can still hate her for leaving me... even if it made me a better person after it. Maybe I'm shallow for that, but so be it.

[Masterofreality]

Thad Matta and Sean Miller are two of the greatest things that have ever happened to Xavier basketball.

Cough, Cough......ummmm........ ummmmmm......Cough.....Cough.

Who are they, again?

Father Hoff and Mike Bobinski are the greatest things to ever happen to Xavier basketball.

[Blueblob4life]

Thad Matta and Sean Miller are two of the greatest things that have ever happened to Xavier basketball.


Cough, Cough......ummmm........ ummmmmm......Cough.....Cough.

Who are they, again?

Father Hoff and Mike Bobinski are the greatest things to ever happen to Xavier basketball.

To be fair, he did say "two of the greatest", so they can still technically be in that top group of great things to happen to our program.

As for whether or not I agree, that's another long story.

[Xavier]

Thad Matta and Sean Miller are two of the greatest things that have ever happened to Xavier basketball.

I agree and I actually want them to do well. I would be shocked if Miller did not have Arizona in the final four with in the next five years. He, IMO, is one of the best coaches in the country.

I also think its pretty cool that Thad can win Big 10, Miller win Pac 10 and Mack win A-10 this year.

[nuts4xu]

Bob Staak begat Pete Gillen, Pete Gillen begat Skip Prosser, Skip Prosser begat Thad Matta, Thad Matta begat Sean Miller, Sean Miller begat Chris Mack....

Mike Bobinski was insrumental in bringing both Matta and Miller to our program. They both had great success and are part of some of the best memories we have as Xavier fans.

Godspeed to all those with the energy to carry a grudge against Sean Miller and Thad Matta for so long. I don't actively root for OSU or AU, but I just don't have the same venom to spew about these gentlemen.

[SixFig]

Bob Staak begat Pete Gillen, Pete Gillen begat Skip Prosser, Skip Prosser begat Thad Matta, Thad Matta begat Sean Miller, Sean Miller begat Chris Mack....



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[xsteve1]

Bob Staak begat Pete Gillen, Pete Gillen begat Skip Prosser, Skip Prosser begat Thad Matta, Thad Matta begat Sean Miller, Sean Miller begat Chris Mack....

Mike Bobinski was insrumental in bringing both Matta and Miller to our program. They both had great success and are part of some of the best memories we have as Xavier fans.

Godspeed to all those with the energy to carry a grudge against Sean Miller and Thad Matta for so long. I don't actively root for OSU or AU, but I just don't have the same venom to spew about these gentlemen.

Rep's

[American X]

nuts provided the correct answer above.

SixFig - that narrative leaves out that JC then left the land of Beer and Chili early to spread the word professionally.

Ledgewood - you seem to have a vast reserve of hate for many targets. Do you want to talk about it?

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Father Hoff and Mike Bobinski are the greatest things to ever happen to Xavier basketball.

MOR,

What about Tay Baker????

[Masterofreality]

MOR,

What about Tay Baker????





Taylor Baker was more concerned about his golf handicap than his basketball team's record. That was a statement from Dr. Bill Daley.

[Xpectations]

Rep's

Also tried to rep Nuts but my efforts were thwarted by The Man.

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Taylor Baker was more concerned about his golf handicap than his basketball team's record. That was a statement from Dr. Bill Daley.

MOR,

#1. I hope U understand that I posted Tay Baker comment
with my tongue firmly planted in my cheeck....LOL!


#2. Facts speak for themselves....

Team.......Years.....W/L....PCT
Xavier 1973-1979 70-89 (0.440)


Season....Team....Wins/Losses....Pct
1978-1979 Xavier 14 13 51.9
1977-1978 Xavier 13 14 48.1
1976-1977 Xavier 10 17 37
1975-1976 Xavier 14 12 53.8
1974-1975 Xavier 11 15 42.3



http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/tay-baker

[Fireball]

With the success they Xavier continues to have under Coach Mack, I find it really hard to hate Miller or Matta. It seems that both men were very conflicted about leaving, but ended up taking opportunities they just didn't think they could pass up.

In my opinion, it's really hard to hate an ex when you're so happy with the one you're currently with.

[kyxu]

With the success they Xavier continues to have under Coach Mack, I find it really hard to hate Miller or Matta. It seems that both men were very conflicted about leaving, but ended up taking opportunities they just didn't think they could pass up.

In my opinion, it's really hard to hate an ex when you're so happy with the one you're currently with.

+1

[Masterofreality]

MOR,

#1. I hope U understand that I posted Tay Baker comment
with my tongue firmly planted in my cheeck....LOL!

#2. Facts speak for themselves....

Team.......Years.....W/L....PCT
Xavier 1973-1979 70-89 (0.440)

Season....Team....Wins/Losses....Pct
1978-1979 Xavier 14 13 51.9
1977-1978 Xavier 13 14 48.1
1976-1977 Xavier 10 17 37
1975-1976 Xavier 14 12 53.8
1974-1975 Xavier 11 15 42.3

http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/tay-baker



Oh, no, I know Luther. What Bill Daley said, he re-stated last weekend at the Lew Hirt Society Meeting/Induction. Taylor wasn't totally committed to basketball, but just wanted his country club membership paid. He didn't spend a whol lot of time worrying about little things like, errrr, recruiting.

Dr. Daley said that they made a real effort to correct that issue when they did their search and ultimately hired Bob Staak.

[vee4xu]

I had the "pleasure" of watching Tay Baker basketball for all four of my years at Xavier. Ugh! At least the beer was cold.

As for Matta and Miller. I view them differently. Even though both left under less than desirable circumstances and both used X to get their next jobs, I have more respect for Miller. He was at X for 8 years and the program grew under him. Matta will always be a joke to me. Anyone who leaves his alma mater after only one year to step up in job stature gets very little respect from me. My rancor for him is long gone, but the bad taste to some degree remains with Thad. With Miller, he slung a bunch of BS when he left but he at least was a stakeholder in Xavier's legacy of success. Thad was a carpetbagger just passing through on his way to bigger things as he viewed it.

[Ledgewood]

nuts provided the correct answer above.

SixFig - that narrative leaves out that JC then left the land of Beer and Chili early to spread the word professionally.

Ledgewood - you seem to have a vast reserve of hate for many targets. Do you want to talk about it?

Hahaha. True.

[Ledgewood]

The way I see it, is these guys are in the business of sports, which is just different from every profession out there. This is a business built on unreasonable fandom of people who invest a lot of passion in something they have absolutely no control over. And I'm cool with that. Part of the fun of being a fan of sports is participating in stuff like rivalries and a sort of "us vs. them" type thing. And these guys decided we weren't a good enough place for them to be at, so I'm not going to go into a philosophical thought process of why I should or shouldn't be mad about that. I'm gonna go all George Bush and be like, "if you're not with us, you're against us." That's sports, man. Er maybe that's just me. Whatever, I don't care. I'm for XU.

[Buck Futler]

Thad Matta and Sean Miller are two of the greatest things that have ever happened to Xavier basketball.

Once again, PMI with the intelligence here.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier basketball is probably the greatest thing to have ever happened to both Thad Matta and Sean Miller.

[Ledgewood]

Xavier basketball is probably the greatest thing to have ever happened to both Thad Matta and Sean Miller.

Proly the best thing said on this board in a while.

[GoMuskies]

No A-10 connection, but the Bruins are routing the 'Cats right now. Breaks my heart.

[Fireball]

One more thing about Matta and Miller. How is their success anything but good for Xavier? The last 3 coaches that have left Xavier for power conference schools have been successful. Well, maybe we can't put Miller in that bucket yet, but so far so good.

Perish the thought, but at some point if Coach Mack decides to move on, that success is only going to help us when trying to get a new up-and-coming coach. They look and see that coaches come here and succeed, and should they have the desire to be a coach in a power conference, Xavier will prepare them well for that hop. That makes Xavier a desirable place to be for coaches.

Now, I like everyone else hope that Coach Mack is here for a very long time, but rooting against Matta and Miller does not not benefit Xavier. I don't actively root for Arizona and Ohio State, but certainly do not root against them.

[GoMuskies]

I don't think Prosser was particularly successful at Wake. He did okay, and he did finally manage to sneak into a Sweet Sixteen once (before the ole A-10 came back to bite him), but all in all not that great. Hell, Gillen got Providence to an Elite Eight, so he was probably more successful than Skip.

But I don't think how Matta, Miller or any of those guys do after they leave X affects us one bit. The fact that they were able to use Xavier to get those jobs is helpful. But after that? No effect.

[PMI]

Cough, Cough......ummmm........ ummmmmm......Cough.....Cough.

Who are they, again?

Father Hoff and Mike Bobinski are the greatest things to ever happen to Xavier basketball.

I certainly don't look past the contributions that people like Hoff and Bobinski have made to the program, but I'll definitely stand by what I said. Thad Matta and Sean Miller coming to Xavier changed everything. The style of play, culture of the team, and just the way they did things produced winners. There's no way of knowing where Xavier would be today without them, which is a credit to Bobinski and Fr. Hoff too. I won't rank someone as "more important" to XU basketball than another, but Thad Matta and Sean Miller were two enormous parts of all the winning we've been experiencing. Xavier was winning for many years before them, but it raised to a whole new level under them. I'd also say that the Cintas Center is one of the best things to ever happen to Xavier, which again is a credit to Hoff.


Xavier basketball is probably the greatest thing to have ever happened to both Thad Matta and Sean Miller.

Yes, it's one of the greatest things to have happened to them. Thad had an unbelievable opportunity getting a team with David West and Romain Sato on it. They were two of the best players in college basketball. Chalmers was no hack either as we remember. Thad came to a clearly ascending program and didn't disappoint, then Sean took the driver's seat and the program kept cruising. It works both ways. There are plenty of programs with potential out there that don't pan to be anywhere close to where we are, so I won't take good coaching for granted regardless of how well run the entire operation is.

[Ledgewood]

One more thing about Matta and Miller. How is their success anything but good for Xavier? The last 3 coaches that have left Xavier for power conference schools have been successful. Well, maybe we can't put Miller in that bucket yet, but so far so good.

Perish the thought, but at some point if Coach Mack decides to move on, that success is only going to help us when trying to get a new up-and-coming coach. They look and see that coaches come here and succeed, and should they have the desire to be a coach in a power conference, Xavier will prepare them well for that hop. That makes Xavier a desirable place to be for coaches.

Now, I like everyone else hope that Coach Mack is here for a very long time, but rooting against Matta and Miller does not not benefit Xavier. I don't actively root for Arizona and Ohio State, but certainly do not root against them.


Sorry so late, just got back to reading these. But I am pretty sure that OSU winning a national title does NOTHING whatsoever to benefit XU...
Two big reasons: 1) XU is beyond needing to convince coaches that we are good enough for them, so we don't need to pitch them the whole "Maybe you can coach a bigtime school sometime if you coach us" and 2) Maybe they'll flash our name on a Thad Matta graphic once or twice during the big game, BUT, I think it'd be better for us for these coaches to fail miserably and then XU succeed the way we have and beyond, showing the world that XU is a rock of excellence and that we have the perfect system for coaches to succeed, not these high profile schools. Right?