Finally some reality acceptance at UD

[Murph85]

On a slow day I visited UD Pride and found a thread called "why them and not us' which is grounded in reality. It basically says X does a lot of things right and they don't. While this is painfully obvious to X fans and those who can simply read, it is shocking to see them admit it in large numbers and in a reasonable way. I say this is strange after reading delusional comments year in and year out by the watermellon crowd.

They know they need to get rid of BG but can't. I posted on MM when he was signed to a long term contract, that it was reason to celebrate at X for their fortunes were sealed. At the time it did not garner attention. It should now. They are screwed with a coach that can't coach or motivate. He is not a bad recruiter but this only makes it more painful when they must watch others play in the big dance come March.

We are fortunate in being fans of such a program and the future only points to new heights.

[xudash]

It gets better.

In another thread about some guy that has had it with UD basketball, I guy responds with this:

"I feel your pain, bro...
While I don't sit nearly as close, my story is as painful.
From the upper 300's in the second half, my 11 year old son said to me 'Dad, maybe we should not do the Father/Son camp this summer. Not sure I want to learn from this group...'"

I'm not making that up.

An 11 - ELEVEN - year old said it.

So, not only is BG lousing it up for the current crop of UD's Kool-Aid drinking idiots, he's got the next generation signing off now as well.

[XU05and07]

It gets better.

In another thread about some guy that has had it with UD basketball, I guy responds with this:

"I feel your pain, bro...
While I don't sit nearly as close, my story is as painful.
From the upper 300's in the second half, my 11 year old son said to me 'Dad, maybe we should not do the Father/Son camp this summer. Not sure I want to learn from this group...'"

I'm not making that up.

An 11 - ELEVEN - year old said it.

So, not only is BG lousing it up for the current crop of UD's Kool-Aid drinking idiots, he's got the next generation signing off now as well.


That is really selfish of the kid...doesn't he know that the UD players learn from the campers

[MCXU]

I've got a pearl of wisdom that is grounded in reality...

Dayton Sucks!!!

I've researched this fact. In no way, shape or form do the Flyers and their fans not suck.

This fact should be mandatory teaching in first grade across this nation.

Flagship Bitches!!!

Dayton should keep playing with their Dinghy.

[smileyy]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Gregory fired. Well, if the athletic department wants a successful basketball program, anyway. He's clearly underperformed for two straight years. If you're interested in success, you start to wonder when you cut your losses and move on.

[xudash]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Gregory fired. Well, if the athletic department wants a successful basketball program, anyway. He's clearly underperformed for two straight years. If you're interested in success, you start to wonder when you cut your losses and move on.

It's a perfect storm for us, as far as UD is concerned. UD "management" doesn't have an attendance issue; they have no problem to fix in that regard. They do have a contract that would be brutal to break.

So, if you're making money with a loser and you would lose money by breaking his contract, grit your teeth. If the fans keep coming, that is their problem.

[CinciX12]

Someone rep XU05andO7 for me.

[xubrew]

On a slow day I visited UD Pride and found a thread called "why them and not us' which is grounded in reality. It basically says X does a lot of things right and they don't. While this is painfully obvious to X fans and those who can simply read, it is shocking to see them admit it in large numbers and in a reasonable way. I say this is strange after reading delusional comments year in and year out by the watermellon crowd.

They know they need to get rid of BG but can't. I posted on MM when he was signed to a long term contract, that it was reason to celebrate at X for their fortunes were sealed. At the time it did not garner attention. It should now. They are screwed with a coach that can't coach or motivate. He is not a bad recruiter but this only makes it more painful when they must watch others play in the big dance come March.

We are fortunate in being fans of such a program and the future only points to new heights.

i'm actually kind of sad to see the delusional fans come to their senses. it was far more entertaining before. once fans get to the point of "yeah, we know we suck" what's the fun in that?? the reason that ud was so much fun is that we always came out way ahead, yet they were always convinced that they were as good as us and attributed the difference to luck. i kind of miss that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Someone rep XU05andO7 for me.

Got him for you.

[D-West & PO-Z]

i'm actually kind of sad to see the delusional fans come to their senses. it was far more entertaining before. once fans get to the point of "yeah, we know we suck" what's the fun in that?? the reason that ud was so much fun is that we always came out way ahead, yet they were always convinced that they were as good as us and attributed the difference to luck. i kind of miss that.

I said something similar in a past thread. They are so much more fun the other way.

[vee4xu]

It's a perfect storm for us, as far as UD is concerned. UD "management" doesn't have an attendance issue; they have no problem to fix in that regard. They do have a contract that would be brutal to break.

So, if you're making money with a loser and you would lose money by breaking his contract, grit your teeth. If the fans keep coming, that is their problem.

Dash, agree with all of your points, but the pain of the one I've highlighted will be outdone only by the pain that the ud admins will have to bear because of that extension they gave to the midget two years ago. No way they come out of pocket for that kind of cheese.

[xudash]

Dash, agree with all of your points, but the pain of the one I've highlighted will be outdone only by the pain that the ud admins will have to bear because of that extension they gave to the midget two years ago. No way they come out of pocket for that kind of cheese.

vee, isn't it a damn shame.

[smileyy]

UD "management" doesn't have an attendance issue; they have no problem to fix in that regard. They do have a contract that would be brutal to break.

So, if you're making money with a loser and you would lose money by breaking his contract, grit your teeth. If the fans keep coming, that is their problem.

Yeah, but attendance can become a problem real quick, and be hard to turn around. The contract is a sunk cost, and I'm sure UD could get someone as capable as Gregory for a reasonable price. I think it's more the hit that management would take by admitting their ($#-up that contributes to his sustained employment as much as the cost.

[xubrew]

It's a perfect storm for us, as far as UD is concerned. UD "management" doesn't have an attendance issue; they have no problem to fix in that regard. They do have a contract that would be brutal to break.

So, if you're making money with a loser and you would lose money by breaking his contract, grit your teeth. If the fans keep coming, that is their problem.

i don't know the terms of his contract, but it may not be as brutal as you think. generally long contracts with big buyouts are put in place to get a big chunk of change if he leaves to go elsewhere. however, it's a one way street. by that i mean that if he were to leave, ud would get paid, but if ud were to get rid of him, they could do it for much less.

i don't know the terms of his contract, though. if ud is smart (and that may be assuming a lot), they didn't extend him to the point to where they themselves couldn't get rid of him. it's bad business to do that no matter who your coach is, much moreso if it's after a year where they didn't even make the NCAAs. i was kind of shocked he was extended that much after winning the NIT, so it could be they really are stuck with him. for all i know, ud has no intention of getting rid of him anyway though, so who knows.

[Pablo's Brother]

Is Mike Brown their AD?

[coasterville95]

You mean sort of like how its less fun to give UC fans grief now that they realize their team is pathetic, and want Cronin out of town on the next high speed train to Any School But UC,

That was a good thread, and no one called them out on pointing out the superioirty of _U or _avier. Funny curse word filtering they have going on.

[DC Muskie]

I would be shocked if Dayton ever fired Gregory.

He wins. Enough. He graduates his players.

Seriously, Dayton really doesn't have an option until some Big 6 program drinks a tall glass of stupid and takes him off their hands.

When it comes down to it...winning the NIT was the worst thing to ever happen to Dayton. Iowa wouldn't wait for him and he wouldn't leave during the run.

So Dayton gets stuck with the prettiest ugly chick award in basketball AND they get stuck with the ADD substituting coach. For like the next ten years.

I really feel bad for Flyer fans who are also Browns fans. Where do they get their happy sports outlet?

[Perma Fro]

I really feel bad for Flyer fans who are also Browns fans. Where do they get their happy sports outlet?

Trust me, I sit next to one at work. They support tOSU football.

[xudash]

i don't know the terms of his contract, but it may not be as brutal as you think. generally long contracts with big buyouts are put in place to get a big chunk of change if he leaves to go elsewhere. however, it's a one way street. by that i mean that if he were to leave, ud would get paid, but if ud were to get rid of him, they could do it for much less.

i don't know the terms of his contract, though. if ud is smart (and that may be assuming a lot), they didn't extend him to the point to where they themselves couldn't get rid of him. it's bad business to do that no matter who your coach is, much moreso if it's after a year where they didn't even make the NCAAs. i was kind of shocked he was extended that much after winning the NIT, so it could be they really are stuck with him. for all i know, ud has no intention of getting rid of him anyway though, so who knows.

brew, I don't know the details either, obviously, but, judging by many of the comments on UDPride, the perception is that it would pain UD financially to break the contract at this point.

Either way, I agree with DC Muskie about Gregory's overall profile at UD. He does represent the school well and he runs a clean program, especially now that iams is owned by Proctor & Gamble.

[KabeX]

Is Mike Brown their AD?

Couldn't help but think the same thing. Kind of a self perpetuating suckage.

[chico]

This is the same school that replaced Don Donoher with Jim O'Brien, so nothing they do really surprises me. They just have to stop picking the bad assistants of really good coaches - it's like they have a thing for runts of the litter.

There are probably still some boosters with money who could chip in to buy Gregory out, because they need to clean house. Attendance is waning and the fanbase is not happy. I think he has to go before they sink back into the 20 loss/season territory. Their current AD did not hire Gregory, although he was part of the Athletic Dept. Hopefully the guy has the sense to bite the bullet and find somebody new.

That would be a completely different team if they had hired Ron Jirsa.

[Bmuskie]

Let's face it. Brian Gregory is a decent recruiter and a good coach. He has won 20 games or more in 6 of the last 8 seaons (including 3 in a row) and has an NIT championship and 1 NCAA tournament bid. There are a lot of teams and coaches out there that would love to have that resume. With that said I think Gregory is a terrible "in-game" coach. By that I mean he is not able to make adjustments to what the other team is throwing at them. If UD goes into a game with a gameplan and the team attacks them differently than what they have shown throughout the year then Dayton is screwed. You also know that if the game comes down to the final minute then 8 out of 10 times Dayton will give up the game. I am reluctant to put this out there b/c I don't want Gregory to realize this and change but Dayton rarely ever makes the other team play "ud's game". They try to play to what the other team does and if the other team changes something then, like I said, Dayton is screwed.

[XU-07]

I am glad they have reach the first sep of recovery. I hope they soon can accept and embrace their awfulness.

[Kahns Krazy]

It's a perfect storm for us, as far as UD is concerned. UD "management" doesn't have an attendance issue; they have no problem to fix in that regard. They do have a contract that would be brutal to break.

So, if you're making money with a loser and you would lose money by breaking his contract, grit your teeth. If the fans keep coming, that is their problem.

They should head down I-75, get off at Hopple and hang a left to see what ignoring your basketball team's success does to your fan base.

UC is in a world of hurt. They were ranked on January 17th, and there's a very reasonable chance that they will miss the NCAA's again. Not too long ago, you had to buy UC football tickets for the privilege of buying uc basketball tickets. Now, when fans of the opposing teams don't buy tickets, they are averaging about a 41% full arena.

Once that level of damage is done, it takes years to undo it. Dayton would be wise to realize this and undo their BG problem now before it becomes a Cronin.

[Blueblob4life]

When it comes down to it...winning the NIT was the worst thing to ever happen to Dayton. Iowa wouldn't wait for him and he wouldn't leave during the run.

So Dayton gets stuck with the prettiest ugly chick award in basketball AND they get stuck with the ADD substituting coach. For like the next ten years.

I really feel bad for Flyer fans who are also Browns fans. Where do they get their happy sports outlet?

How dare you use that marvelous phrase to refer to anything UDump related? The Run is a glorious time in our history, not some pointless attempt at salvaging post-season glory for UDump. However........

That line about "prettiest ugly chick" was pretty f-in funny

[D-West & PO-Z]

Let's face it. Brian Gregory is a decent recruiter and a good coach. He has won 20 games or more in 6 of the last 8 seaons (including 3 in a row) and has an NIT championship and 1 NCAA tournament bid. There are a lot of teams and coaches out there that would love to have that resume. With that said I think Gregory is a terrible "in-game" coach. By that I mean he is not able to make adjustments to what the other team is throwing at them. If UD goes into a game with a gameplan and the team attacks them differently than what they have shown throughout the year then Dayton is screwed. You also know that if the game comes down to the final minute then 8 out of 10 times Dayton will give up the game. I am reluctant to put this out there b/c I don't want Gregory to realize this and change but Dayton rarely ever makes the other team play "ud's game". They try to play to what the other team does and if the other team changes something then, like I said, Dayton is screwed.

What you just described is not a good coach. The biggest part of coaching is doing it in the game. Who cares if he is a great "practice coach". What does that do for anyone? He also has been terrible at developing his players. They havent made the improvements over 4 years that you would expect. If anything I would reverse what you said and say he is a good recruiter and a decent coach. Decent might be pushing it a little though.

[Blue Blooded-05]

What you just described is not a good coach. The biggest part of coaching is doing it in the game. Who cares if he is a great "practice coach". What does that do for anyone? He also has been terrible at developing his players. They havent made the improvements over 4 years that you would expect. If anything I would reverse what you said and say he is a good recruiter and a decent coach. Decent might be pushing it a little though.

I agree...

I only truly watch Dayton 2-3, maybe 4 times a year but the thing that would bother me if I was a UD fan is how Gregory never seems to get input from his assistant coaches. This screams control freak. If you're a control freak coach, you better be good (Bobby Knight) or else the whole "team" concept is completely obliterated. Why listen to the assistants in practice, summer and during shoot arounds when the HC's opinion is the only one that matters?

For comparison, watch a Xavier full timeout. There is always a coaches huddle before the team huddle. This is a coach who clearly knows how to delegate and trusts he put the correct people in place. The players clearly see the coaches acting their roles and then more clearly understand the need to play their roles on the team.

[Drew's Crew]

I really feel bad for Flyer fans who are also Browns fans. Where do they get their happy sports outlet?

What do you mean DC?! Pitchers and Catchers reported! Indians are primed to make a real run this year.....

God, I feel terrible for Browns/Indians/Cavs fans. What a terrible state of fandom in Cleveland.

[smileyy]

What you just described is not a good coach. The biggest part of coaching is doing it in the game. Who cares if he is a great "practice coach". What does that do for anyone? He also has been terrible at developing his players. They havent made the improvements over 4 years that you would expect. If anything I would reverse what you said and say he is a good recruiter and a decent coach. Decent might be pushing it a little though.

I think you need 2 out of 3 to be consistently successful. You need to be good at 2 of:

A. Recruiting (Gregory has actually demonstrated this fairly well)
B. Player development (Gregory clearly is not)
C. Game management (Again, we've seen how Gregory is not)

In XU history, I put:

Prosser at A and B to a fair extent,
Matta at A and B to a greater degree than Prosser
Miller at A and B, and C more than Matta
Mack, so far, at very good at B and C -- C better than Miller. His recruiting classes (some of which he has already been involved with recruiting) are still panning out, but they look very good, to the extent that he might be the most complete package of XU coaches so far.