Some Recruiting Thoughts (McD AA's)

[snes]

Another year, another doughnut when it comes to landing some McD AA's. Am I the only one that wants some seared animal flesh?

We need to get serious as our program. Elite Eights are great but what's our end game? I want to win a damn title. To accomplish this, we need the top talent. Big schools play by different rules, why don't we?

We all watched what happened in college football this year. A team of mercenaries took home the championship. Players who had access to ATM machines whenever they wanted. Heck, Newton's father negotiated a 6 figure sum for his services. What did the NCAA do? Absolutely nothing.

Is our athletic department and staff the only one's who haven't seen Blue Chips? I want Butch. I want Neon. I want Ricky. Charlie could have put one less cushion on his yacht and we could have a Teague or a Zeller. There's no need to get all self righteous either. Everyone here knows they would kick in to put us over the top. I'm sick of playing by the rules, when no one else does.

[REF]

Go find a fire hydrant to pee on!

[IVANHOE]

Love the movie reference. Who is the "Happy" in our organization that couldve given the one that got away a new lexus?

Butch's mom said it best, "A foul is not a foul, unless the ref blows the whistle"

[XULucho27]

Another year, another doughnut when it comes to landing some McD AA's. Am I the only one that wants some seared animal flesh?

We need to get serious as our program. Elite Eights are great but what's our end game? I want to win a damn title. To accomplish this, we need the top talent. Big schools play by different rules, why don't we?

We all watched what happened in college football this year. A team of mercenaries took home the championship. Players who had access to ATM machines whenever they wanted. Heck, Newton's father negotiated a 6 figure sum for his services. What did the NCAA do? Absolutely nothing.

Is our athletic department and staff the only one's who haven't seen Blue Chips? I want Butch. I want Neon. I want Ricky. Charlie could have put one less cushion on his yacht and we could have a Teague or a Zeller. There's no need to get all self righteous either. Everyone here knows they would kick in to put us over the top. I'm sick of playing by the rules, when no one else does.

This is going to sound pretentious but that's not how we do things. That's not the Xavier way. We're knocking on the door of much bigger things and we've done it the right way.

I'd love a Final Four. I'd love a 'ship. I don't think I'd love them as much if we did them the dirty way.

And are you saying that X isn't serious as a program? Three straight Sweet 16's isn't serious? Two Elite Eights isn't serious? Do you think they're doing it for shits and giggles and that "if we win, great, if we don't great too?" Trust me, Bobinsky, Mack and Co are serious when they come to this. They want a National Championship MUCH more than any of us do, I guarantee it.

If you want one a Championship doing it "like the Big Schools" go root for Kentucky and Calipari. That's not the Xavier way.

[PMI]

Another year, another doughnut when it comes to landing some McD AA's. Am I the only one that wants some seared animal flesh?

We need to get serious as our program. Elite Eights are great but what's our end game? I want to win a damn title. To accomplish this, we need the top talent. Big schools play by different rules, why don't we?

We all watched what happened in college football this year. A team of mercenaries took home the championship. Players who had access to ATM machines whenever they wanted. Heck, Newton's father negotiated a 6 figure sum for his services. What did the NCAA do? Absolutely nothing.

Is our athletic department and staff the only one's who haven't seen Blue Chips? I want Butch. I want Neon. I want Ricky. Charlie could have put one less cushion on his yacht and we could have a Teague or a Zeller. There's no need to get all self righteous either. Everyone here knows they would kick in to put us over the top. I'm sick of playing by the rules, when no one else does.

I don't know you well enough to tell if you're joking. I think we all want McDonald's All Americans, and guys like Dez Wells are not far behind, but if you're suggesting what I think you're suggesting, there are plenty of other programs you can feel free to go root for. Xavier has already defied the odds by creating a program of its caliber by playing by the rules. Stick with the current format and we'll be just fine.

Edit: Lucho beat me to the punch with the same sentiments.

[SixFig]

We don't have McD's All Americans but we do have a four star, top 50 recruit and two recruits who are top 3 candidates for Mr. Basketball in their state.

I choose to look on the bright side.

And don't worry, next year's potential class could have one or multiple AA's(DSR, Gary Harris, Kyle Anderson, Torian Graham). The 2013 class could have one as well (Austin Colbert, Chris Thomas, Basil Smotherman). Patience.

[MADXSTER]

Sounds like a troll to me.

[HuskyMuskie]

Dear UC Fan-

Your success was long ago. Your failures are being illustrated now, and from here to come. Enjoy being second tier.

Swallow poop and jump off a building.

Love,
The Xavier Hoops Community

[BandAid]

Dear UC Fan-

Your success was long ago. Your failures are being illustrated now, and from here to come. Enjoy being second tier.

Swallow poop and jump off a building.

Love,
The Xavier Hoops Community

He's just being polite. What he means is: Eat sh*t and die!

[CinciX12]

People that actually complain about not getting McDonalds AA out of high school clearly think there are more of them to get then there actually is.

Basically, complaining about our recruiting is amazingly dumb. If we get DSR back, its the best we have ever done recruiting lol. Honestly, get a clue.

[AusBosh]

SNES,

I got your back here. X is now a top 25 program that should compete for top 25 talent. Sure you can find diamonds in the rough like Tu Holloway, D West, Lionel Chalmers and Derrick Brown but if you want to win a national championship you need a few McDAA'a. Look what Drew Lavender did for this program!

Like my xavier mentor Spiceman always said, Xavier is about recruiting 3 star players and developing them over 4 years into solid players. But like I alway told Mike, this isnt your grandfathers Xavier.

Time to step up Mack and get a Purvis or DSR!

[bourbonman]

Troll alert. Feel free to negative rep at your discretion!

[IVANHOE]

Dear UC Fan-

Your success was long ago. Your failures are being illustrated now, and from here to come. Enjoy being second tier.

Swallow poop and jump off a building.

Love,
The Xavier Hoops Community

SNES will not like being called a UC Fan. He is a passionate X fan, a season ticket holder i might add.

His point is valid. I remember people saying when DSR decommited to take a look at Louisville and were claiming Pitino may have bought him.

It takes longer to do it the right way or the "Xavier Way", but with all the success our program has had, a secret society or "Friends of the Progam" (Blue Chips) would sure help/ensure some national championships

Happy: "Cuz lets face it, the sex is better when we are winning"

[CinciX12]

We need a 'few' high school all americans? So when we win a title should we just arrange a date on when you give it back? Get a clue.

People that say that must think that the games Kentucky are playing will actually count in 10 years.

[XULucho27]

I've never been a fan of the "let's do it because everyone else is doing it." It's lazy and at the end of the day it's against the rules. Now don't get me wrong, I'm in the camp that believes these guys should be paid (perhaps even on top of their scholarship money) but that's neither here nor there because, as of right now, that's not what the rules allow for.

I sense frustration in some but I for one am not ready to see my Alma Mater and program stoop down to the level of those less honorable in sports on account of winning. It would besmirch the Xavier tradition, IMO.

Winning a 'ship would be great. Doing it our way will be so much better.

[waggy]

Dayton is the program that buys players. Just not very good ones.

[XU 87]

I have some thoughts of my own.

If snes and Ivanhoe are fans of other programs, then you're idiots.

If you're Xavier fans trying to be funny, then you're even bigger idiots.

If you're Xavier fans who are serious, then you are really big idiots.

So which is it?

[Cheesehead]

Wait, 2 guys with 9 posts between them are bitching about Xavier's recruiting?

Classic. It's not like X wouldn't take a Micky D's AA but let's be realistic here. Future success will bring better recruits. It's a process. We used to get 2 star players and now get 3 and 4 star players. It's going to to take some time.

[pizza delivery]

This topic is poisonous. If you don't like where we're at, go root for Southern Cal, LOL! Seriously, you need your head checked. "I wish we were cheating!" Just stop.

[GuyFawkes38]

I was about to write a post about how we shouldn't respond to posters like this.

But I guess it's fun in a weird sort of way.

Who knows, maybe SNES really thinks that the ability to land McdAA is a great way to judge a schools recruiting. It isn't.

[rhyno2110]

What Xavier is doing on the recruiting front is nothing short of outstanding, especially considering the small school, "mid-major" conference thing. Heck, what the coaches at X are doing would be extremely impressive at a high major school.

Now for some of you guys that think we are completely clean, think twice. That is all i am going to say, because I don't want this to get out of hand. So snes, I hope that satisfies you so you never post here again because that was a really stupid post.

[Xpectations]

I suppose we could always strive to get 5-star players like Yancy Gates.

He's played hard in 1 game in his 3-year career. Not surprisingly, it was during UC's annual Super Bowl.

[PMI]

Alright I think there are two different things going on here. Some people are saying we need McDonald's AAs to reach a new level, etc., which is an opinion and is fine. But the original post implies that we should be willing to do things outside of the rules to get them, which is absolutely, unequivocally retarded. Do you guys realize what the NCAA would do to a program like Xavier for even the slightest infraction(s)? Everything we've built over the past three decades would be flushed, seasons would be miserable for the foreseeable future, and it'd be a stain we could NEVER wash away. So to anyone who thinks that we should be willing to entertain the idea, pardon my French, but you're a fucking idiot.

[XU-07]

Another year, another doughnut when it comes to landing some McD AA's. Am I the only one that wants some seared animal flesh?

We need to get serious as our program. Elite Eights are great but what's our end game? I want to win a damn title. To accomplish this, we need the top talent. Big schools play by different rules, why don't we?

We all watched what happened in college football this year. A team of mercenaries took home the championship. Players who had access to ATM machines whenever they wanted. Heck, Newton's father negotiated a 6 figure sum for his services. What did the NCAA do? Absolutely nothing.

Is our athletic department and staff the only one's who haven't seen Blue Chips? I want Butch. I want Neon. I want Ricky. Charlie could have put one less cushion on his yacht and we could have a Teague or a Zeller. There's no need to get all self righteous either. Everyone here knows they would kick in to put us over the top. I'm sick of playing by the rules, when no one else does.



I hope this is in jest. I firmly believe that this way leads only to short term success but has major negative long term consequences. Just ask BP about this and that spill they had or SMU about that infraction a couple of years ago. Like they say Karma is a ***.

[AusBosh]

U guys sound ridiculous. Imagine the Duke boards if they recruited Jeff Robinson, Jay Canty, Jordan Latham, Dante Jackson, Andrew Taylor, Brian Walsh...

They would be up in arms. Xavier is at that level now. 1 of two teams to make the sweet16 3 years in a row. You are the fans that are just happy to make the tourney. Sorry is Ivanhoe, SNES and I want to win a national championship.

[AusBosh]

Oh and what happened to my rep?

Real sweet guys.

[paulxu]

Last year UNC had 7 McDonald's all Americans on their squad.
They got to play in the NIT.

I'm not sure buying Mickey D's will pass the smell test.

A Sister Rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.

[kyxu]

U guys sound ridiculous. Imagine the Duke boards if they recruited Jeff Robinson, Jay Canty, Jordan Latham, Dante Jackson, Andrew Taylor, Brian Walsh...

They would be up in arms. Xavier is at that level now. 1 of two teams to make the sweet16 3 years in a row. You are the fans that are just happy to make the tourney. Sorry is Ivanhoe, SNES and I want to win a national championship.

Your post doesn't make any sense. If Xavier is "at that level now", then what's the problem?

And what are we arguing about anyway? Buying players? God, I hope that is absolutely out of the question. What does Duke have anything to do with this? Do they buy players or something?

[AusBosh]

Last year UNC had 7 McDonald's all Americans on their squad.
They got to play in the NIT.

I'm not sure buying Mickey D's will pass the smell test.

A Sister Rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.

Yeah they also won a national championship in 09. So...

[AusBosh]

Your post doesn't make any sense. If Xavier is "at that level now", then what's the problem?

And what are we arguing about anyway? Buying players? God, I hope that is absolutely out of the question. What does Duke have anything to do with this? Do they buy players or something?

Doesnt it? Not saying we should pay just put more time and energy into top players.

[snes]

One team has won a championship without a McD AA - Maryland under Gary Williams. The odds are against us ever doing it. I don't want the phrase "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" applying to my program. We need to up the ante one way or another to bring in the talent. I'm sick of being known as a stepping stone.

[MADXSTER]

Go Home. Looks like UC fans are now becoming Xavier fans.

[AusBosh]

Go Home. Looks like UC fans are now becoming Xavier fans.

LA:logo:

[ChiTownMuskie]

Doesnt it? Not saying we should pay just put more time and energy into top players.

I'm not sure which is more irritating: suggesting we start a campaign of dirty recruiting or implying that our coaching staff should "step it up" and work harder.

[snes]

Because I have a different opinion then you I must be a "troll" or UC fan? The people complaining about my post are the relics that sit in the lower bowl twiddling their thumbs instead of actually cheering. The one's that talk about the Lew Hirt Society, like people besides them actually care about them.

Some of us want to get the program to the next level. We're not content with just making runs. I don't want to be remembered like Temple and John Chaney as a program that could never get over the hump. Bottom line is we need to start making things happen. We need to make moves. Top talent isn't going to come to the A-10 unless their incentivized.

[PMI]

Doesnt it? Not saying we should pay just put more time and energy into top players.

You have horrible reading comprehension skills. Of course all of us would want McD's AAs. Nobody is arguing that. You got neg-repped because you said you agreed with a post that suggested we should get them BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE. Do you see the difference?

Programs like Xavier would get murdered if we cheated in recruiting. SNES is a Xavier fan he is who I think he is. But if so, he's also a retard who got banned from Rivals. A guy who does have recruiting sources, but also a very, very low IQ.

[JAX 3758]

Because I have a different opinion then you I must be a "troll" or UC fan? The people complaining about my post are the relics that sit in the lower bowl twiddling their thumbs instead of actually cheering. The one's that talk about the Lew Hirt Society, like people besides them actually care about them.

Some of us want to get the program to the next level. We're not content with just making runs. I don't want to be remembered like Temple and John Chaney as a program that could never get over the hump. Bottom line is we need to start making things happen. We need to make moves. Top talent isn't going to come to the A-10 unless their incentivized.

I cant believe you guys are still listening to this kid...its obvious he was trying to get a rise out of everybody and he has done that.

"Top talent isn't going to come to the a-10 unless their incentivized"...I mean come on, I literally laughed out loud at that

[PMI]

I cant believe you guys are still listening to this kid...its obvious he was trying to get a rise out of everybody and he has done that.

"Top talent isn't going to come to the a-10 unless their incentivized"...I mean come on, I literally laughed out loud at that

The only reason I haven't written him off as a total troll is because if he's the same person I think he is, he's someone who actually has some kind of sources near the program. Either way, I'd love for this thread to be deleted.

[snes]

What's funny about that? I'm serious. I started the thread to get a discussion going about taking our recruiting to the next level and have been nothing but attacked.

We are at a competitive disadvantage. We are a small school in the A-10 competing in a recruiting landscape against people who are already bending the rules. We will not get that top tier of talent unless we do something to compete with the big boys and that's a fact.

[ChiTownMuskie]

Because I have a different opinion then you I must be a "troll" or UC fan? The people complaining about my post are the relics that sit in the lower bowl twiddling their thumbs instead of actually cheering. The one's that talk about the Lew Hirt Society, like people besides them actually care about them.

Some of us want to get the program to the next level. We're not content with just making runs. I don't want to be remembered like Temple and John Chaney as a program that could never get over the hump. Bottom line is we need to start making things happen. We need to make moves. Top talent isn't going to come to the A-10 unless their incentivized.

You sound like a whiny spoiled little bitch, a la Veruca Salt in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory: "I want a golden goose and I want it now or I'm going to scream!!!!"

You write all this as we're in the midst of a truly remarkable decade of Xavier Basketball. We stand a decent chance of going to our fourth fucking Sweet Sixteen in as many years (likely without Michigan State joining us) and our future has never been brighter. What is all this talk about being remembered a certain way? You make it sound like we're on Death's doorstep, which, by the way, is only a possibility if we follow YOUR recruiting advice.

[BandAid]

snes and AusBosh are my two new favorite posters...:D I think I'm going to add them to my list in the favorite poster thread...

[waggy]

taking our recruiting to the next level

What level would that be? Death sentence?

[PMI]

What's funny about that? I'm serious. I started the thread to get a discussion going about taking our recruiting to the next level and have been nothing but attacked.

We are at a competitive disadvantage. We are a small school in the A-10 competing in a recruiting landscape against people who are already bending the rules. We will not get that top tier of talent unless we do something to compete with the big boys and that's a fact.

You're making yourself and this whole board look dumb. Most people who participate here are on a different intellectual level than you. I'm done with this mockery of a thread and hope it gets deleted soon. If someone else wants to start an intelligent thread on the recruiting board about our McDonald's AA chances in the future and what blue chips could do to raise our program to an even higher level, I'll take a look at that. Be banned.

[waggy]

I don't think we're done having fun, so I moved to smack so PMI can stop fretting.

[snes]

If we're not going to do that than we really need to somehow get the ball rolling for a new conference. That's the only option for our program's continued growth.

[nuts4xu]

What's funny about that? I'm serious. I started the thread to get a discussion going about taking our recruiting to the next level and have been nothing but attacked.



How long have you followed this program? Do you remember the days of awarding scholarships to such skilled players as Leo Murray, Nate Turner, and Angelo Smith? The recruiting wars we are winning now are so much better than they have ever been, it isn't even funny.

We are currently recruiting against the top schools in the nation, and winning some of these battles. We'll get our McD's AA's in due time, but so far, we have done pretty well without any on our roster. I agree it would be nice to have a few on the bench dressed in Xavier blue, but as long as we continue to recruit the most talented players that fit our program best, we will continue to progress as a dominant national program.

[Juice]

You're making yourself and this whole board look dumb. Most people who participate here are on a different intellectual level than you. I'm done with this mockery of a thread and hope it gets deleted soon. If someone else wants to start an intelligent thread on the recruiting board about our McDonald's AA chances in the future and what blue chips could do to raise our program to an even higher level, I'll take a look at that. Be banned.

Has anyone looked at the schools these kids are committed to? They are all major programs that have won national championships and go to final 4s on a somewhat regular basis, except Georgia and LSU. The one UGA commit is from Georgia and the LSU commit is from Mississippi. X needs to make at least one final 4 before it starts talking about getting commits from Mickey D's All Americans.

I think X's program is great and is improving its stature with recruits every year but lets not get ahead of ourselves. X has not had the success of these programs. Give it time and X will be there at some point.

X's recruiting has improved greatly in the last 5 years and it should improve in the coming years but I am not planning nor worrying about X getting All Americans. This thread is dumb.

[IVANHOE]

Programs like Xavier would get murdered if we cheated in recruiting. SNES is a Xavier fan he is who I think he is. But if so, he's also a retard who got banned from Rivals. A guy who does have recruiting sources, but also a very, very low IQ.

SNES sources are second to none. His connections with the program are extremely deep.

[waggy]

SNES sources are second to none. His connections with the program are extremely deep.

I read it on the internet, so it must be true.

Go hump a melon.

[chico]

SNES sources are second to none. His connections with the program are extremely deep.

If this is true, then maybe the program should distance itself from snes, because this guy, if he's serious (which I'm still not sure of) then he's dangerous. I don't care how deep one's connections go and how much of a "fan" someone is, when they start wanting the program to cross the line it's time to show them the door.

Like others have said, if you're not happy with the way the administration is running things there's a school about 10 miles way does things a little more to your liking.

And if this is just some hoax, it's really not very clever or humorous.

[Lamont Sanford]

Has anyone looked at the schools these kids are committed to? They are all major programs that have won national championships and go to final 4s on a somewhat regular basis, except Georgia and LSU. The one UGA commit is from Georgia and the LSU commit is from Mississippi. X needs to make at least one final 4 before it starts talking about getting commits from Mickey D's All Americans.

I think X's program is great and is improving its stature with recruits every year but lets not get ahead of ourselves. X has not had the success of these programs. Give it time and X will be there at some point.

X's recruiting has improved greatly in the last 5 years and it should improve in the coming years but I am not planning nor worrying about X getting All Americans. This thread is dumb.

Juice -

How many MDAA's do you see that committed to Butler or George Mason? Those are the last two non-BCS schools to make the Final Four or Nat'l Championship game.

Mack and Co continue to raise the bar when it comes to recruiting. I have no doubt a F4 is in our future.

[Muskie]

Because I have a different opinion then you I must be a "troll" or UC fan? The people complaining about my post are the relics that sit in the lower bowl twiddling their thumbs instead of actually cheering. The one's that talk about the Lew Hirt Society, like people besides them actually care about them.

Some of us want to get the program to the next level. We're not content with just making runs. I don't want to be remembered like Temple and John Chaney as a program that could never get over the hump. Bottom line is we need to start making things happen. We need to make moves. Top talent isn't going to come to the A-10 unless their incentivized.

Is this the kind of posting that finally got you kicked off rivals? Let me introduce myself. I'm apparently one of the relics that sits in the lower bowl. I've had season tickets since the Cintas Center opened (the year after I graduated). I started and own this website. I cheer at all the games I'm able to make. I've given thousands of dollars to Xavier since my graduation in 2000. I'm also proud to be a member of LHS. I've been to countless away games for X, and even to High School gyms to watch X recruits in action. Don't question my fandom and whether I want this program to get to the next level. Apparently that isn't good enough for you. But I bet it is good enough for the true supporters of this program.

I will never support paying for recruits, buying them cars, getting them girls, or anything of the sort. I can't fathom why anyone would want to do things that would destroy the program and the university. A national title banner built on cheating and paying players would look really good in an empty Cintas Center.

[sash19]

I can honestly say that this is the first time I have visited the Smack Forum. WOW, what a first experience! You have supernintendo (he of being banned on the Rivals site for low blow comments about the players) over here saying we need to break/bend the rules to get McD AA's as this is how you win titles and grow a program. He then proceeds to call out those who sit in the lower bowl and the LHS crew for not being loud enough for you. Well super, if you want recruits paid where do you think you are going to get the money? The lower bowl people are the rich people fool. They own the suites, the club seats and they give the most and have the most money in the Xavier "family." I can PROMISE you though that Chris Mack WILL NOT pay for ANY player. Take that to the bank. If you dont believe me then we can compare sources. I guarantee you mine will trump yours 11 out of 10 times. Glad this is on the Smack Forum because the casual fan and the trolling opponents fans really dont need to have this kind of crap out there for their "use."

[boozehound]

Can we just go ahead and ban this guy now?

[snes]

Lol, great we have Sash involved now. He can dazzle us with his name dropping and tales of his famed brown nosing. Did you just get off the phone with Sean and Archie's hair stylist before posting?

You want Super in a nutshell. I hate coaches that turn their back on the program they claim to love. I'm not content with A-10 titles. I want a national title. I want the best talent available. Period. The NCAA has shown there are no repercussions for bending the rules. Auburn? Nope. Memphis? Nope. UMASS? Nope. I also think Sash is a huge nerd.

[Drew's Crew]

Lol, great we have Sash involved now. He can dazzle us with his name dropping and tales of his famed brown nosing. Did you just get off the phone with Sean and Archie's hair stylist before posting?

You want Super in a nutshell. I hate coaches that turn their back on the program they claim to love. I'm not content with A-10 titles. I want a national title. I want the best talent available. Period. The NCAA has shown there are no repercussions for bending the rules. Auburn? Nope. Memphis? Nope. UMASS? Nope. I also think Sash is a huge nerd.

This is truly unbelievable. Without DSR de-committing, this ENTIRE thread is a moot point.

Mack has been here for one recruiting class so far and before DSR de-committed had land one of you McDonald's All Americans. Give it time.

This thread is frustrating people because you complain that we need to:

1. Step up in our recruiting (which, unless you have been dead for the last decade), has obviously improved every single year and common knowledge would lead one to believe it is only a matter of time before Mack lands these all important All Americans.

2. Cheat.

3. Keep bitching and moaning incessantly until we land a McAA.

If you can't see why this thread is so stupid, than I don't know what to tell you. I don't want to call you a UC troll or say you have no connection to the program because, well, I don't care and it doesn't matter (that and because Ivanhoe will surely tell me just how dedicated and important you are to Xavier basketball--not that his opinion makes your complaints any more valid).

What matters is that this argument is idiotic and pointless. You say you are soooooo miserable about the state of our program. What are you doing to make it better?

[sash19]

Stupernintendo:

Say what you want, spew all your ignorance that is fine. We know you pretend to know things yet cant seem to stay on a board long. If you actually spoke in a normal logical manner then you would be ok. However you dont and apparently cant. As for speaking with Sean, Chris or whomever. Truth hurts doesnt it? You dont know shit and its obvious.

As for me being a "huge nerd" damn that hurts. You went to a 1990's insult level. I should probably go and cry but instead I will continue to sit here and laugh as everyone calls you out for being a dipshit.....

I will agree with you on 1 point though. I, like you, want Xavier to be National Champions. I, like you, want Xavier to be a perennial Final Four contender and participant. That we can and will always agree on. Where you go from the land of sense to the land of la la is when you say how we need to get there. I say we are on the proper path and will get there where as you want the short cut. The short cut doesnt work, never has and never will. Sometimes you get away with something for the time being but it ALWAYS comes back to haunt you. Do you want Xavier to be labeled that way? I as am alum (are you?) would rather stay the same course we are now than becoming branded as a renagade, cheating program.

[Juice]

Juice -

How many MDAA's do you see that committed to Butler or George Mason? Those are the last two non-BCS schools to make the Final Four or Nat'l Championship game.

Mack and Co continue to raise the bar when it comes to recruiting. I have no doubt a F4 is in our future.

I agree that a team can reach a Final 4 without MDAA but I believe you generally need a Final 4 before you start raking in MDAAs. Those teams can't recruit on X's level because those years for them were pretty much flukes.

[Pops and Tuny]

Sure, SNES is a dipshit. Ausbosh is clearly out of his league here with the sharp minds like Band-Aid, Sash, and PMI, but i think you guys are missing the big point here. I feel like these guys are truly trying to just win championships and hoisting a trophy at US Bank Arena, Atlantic City, or UD Arena just doesnt have the same ring to it as doing so in a real place like Houston, Indy, or Detroit. I'm starting to think these guys are onto something here. I'm also sure when our next middle tier recruiting class comes in and we all get that pit in our stomachs like we get every March or April when we, once again, didn't get over that hump, you might start to feel the same.

Also, calling someone a troll is pretty lame. #Justsaying

[bourbonman]

...Also, calling someone a troll is pretty lame. #Justsaying

NEVER will have a problem calling someone a troll who earns it! Calling them a troll is better than what I would say to their face for suggesting what is be suggested. X has gotten to this level by doing things the right way. Justsaying!

[XUPpyDollar]

I can't believe how much time you peasants have on your hands....that being said, here's the problem: When your coach starred in 1995 fantasy drama with unique powers to shake up a rural community instead of studying social recruiting skills you're not gonna bring in the big guns to win a championship. Come at me... I bet those who have "sources" feel real neat. No one cares. Shape up or ship out.

[snes]

Well, I've seen the light. Good dialogue fellas. I no longer think we should cheat to win. Next year we have an absolutely top notch recruiting class coming in led by Dee and Dez, who I feel are vastly underrated by the media. Reynolds is an enigma of sorts, but by all accounts, seems to have a tremendous amount of potential. With Dee and Jalen, we could have a Mr. Indiana and Mr. Michigan respectively. We need to continue to supplement our recruiting with impact transfers. Travis Taylor looks to be next in line. I agree with Juice, it's only when we've played in a Final Four (or 2) that we will be able to start landing the McD AA's.

The Atlantic-10 is such a burden on our program. I can't wait for the eventual Big East shake out where we will see the formation an all-basketball conference. Bobo, and eventually Amodio, will usher us to the next echelon in conferences and help guaranty are continued ascent up the national ladder. A staff not hamstringed by the specter of the A-10 on the recruiting trail would be a great sight.

The corruption in college athletics sickens me. How come everyone know who is cheating but the regulating body who cheats? We all know what recruits are being shopped. How come the NCAA doesn't? I look at UCF reeling in top recruits all of a sudden to Conference USA and laugh. Good joke guys.

Sash is a nerd but like him. He has passion for the program. One love, One Jamaica foos.

[Muskie]

I can't believe how much time you peasants have on your hands....that being said, here's the problem: When your coach starred in 1995 fantasy drama with unique powers to shake up a rural community instead of studying social recruiting skills you're not gonna bring in the big guns to win a championship. Come at me... I bet those who have "sources" feel real neat. No one cares. Shape up or ship out.


I need a translator.

[XUPpyDollar]

NEVER will have a problem calling someone a troll who earns it! Calling them a troll is better than what I would say to their face for suggesting what is be suggested. X has gotten to this level by doing things the right way. Justsaying!

Yeah but calling someone a troll is like super offensive. You sound really tough behind that keyboard.

[Pops and Tuny]

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[XUPpyDollar]

:logo:

Someone tell me what OUR coach has done... Other than take someone elses team to a sweet 16 and not recruit McD all Americans.

[xuwin]

I'm a WVU grad and my kids graduated from Ohio U and UC.

I'm a Xavier season ticket holder in basketball because Xavier does things the right way. I had other options. If Xavier ever pursued the tactics that snes suggests I would pursue those other options. I don't think it will ever happen though.

[991 Dana]

I need a translator.

Oh do you? :sword:

[SixFig]

Close this thread, the trolls are taking over!

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[Drew's Crew]

Well, I've seen the light. Good dialogue fellas. I no longer think we should cheat to win. Next year we have an absolutely top notch recruiting class coming in led by Dee and Dez, who I feel are vastly underrated by the media. Reynolds is an enigma of sorts, but by all accounts, seems to have a tremendous amount of potential. With Dee and Jalen, we could have a Mr. Indiana and Mr. Michigan respectively. We need to continue to supplement our recruiting with impact transfers. Travis Taylor looks to be next in line. I agree with Juice, it's only when we've played in a Final Four (or 2) that we will be able to start landing the McD AA's.

The Atlantic-10 is such a burden on our program. I can't wait for the eventual Big East shake out where we will see the formation an all-basketball conference. Bobo, and eventually Amodio, will usher us to the next echelon in conferences and help guaranty are continued ascent up the national ladder. A staff not hamstringed by the specter of the A-10 on the recruiting trail would be a great sight.

The corruption in college athletics sickens me. How come everyone know who is cheating but the regulating body who cheats? We all know what recruits are being shopped. How come the NCAA doesn't? I look at UCF reeling in top recruits all of a sudden to Conference USA and laugh. Good joke guys.

Sash is a nerd but like him. He has passion for the program. One love, One Jamaica foos.

Good post. This is exactly how I feel about us, although I don't mind being the A10. I actually like it.

[bourbonman]

Yeah but calling someone a troll is like super offensive. You sound really tough behind that keyboard.

Let's meet sometime and I'll buy you a bourbon and we can discuss this face to face. (That is if you're LDA.)

[XUPpyDollar]

Let's meet sometime and I'll buy you a bourbon and we can discuss this face to face. (That is if you're LDA.)

Sounds hot. I'll bring a candle and two straws. No, but really...I dont date dudes. Thanks for the offer though macho man.

[XULucho27]

You sound really tough behind that keyboard.

Settle down, Sparky.

http://robotpirateninja.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/inet_tough_guy.jpg

[boozehound]

Sure, SNES is a dipshit. Ausbosh is clearly out of his league here with the sharp minds like Band-Aid, Sash, and PMI, but i think you guys are missing the big point here. I feel like these guys are truly trying to just win championships and hoisting a trophy at US Bank Arena, Atlantic City, or UD Arena just doesnt have the same ring to it as doing so in a real place like Houston, Indy, or Detroit. I'm starting to think these guys are onto something here. I'm also sure when our next middle tier recruiting class comes in and we all get that pit in our stomachs like we get every March or April when we, once again, didn't get over that hump, you might start to feel the same.

Also, calling someone a troll is pretty lame. #Justsaying

It's called principle based decision making and it is one of the values that Xavier seeks to instill their graduates. It's also one of the key things that most (all?) good parents try to teach their children. You do what is right regardless of others breaking the rules. You do it because you have principles and values that you believe in and you refuse to compromise them for short term gain. You don't see others lying, cheating, and stealing without consequence and decide to do it for yourself. You stand behind what is right and behave in a manner that is consistent with your value system.

I don't want to see my University abondon its principles and I can't believe that any fans would.

[sash19]

Well, I've seen the light. Good dialogue fellas. I no longer think we should cheat to win. Next year we have an absolutely top notch recruiting class coming in led by Dee and Dez, who I feel are vastly underrated by the media. Reynolds is an enigma of sorts, but by all accounts, seems to have a tremendous amount of potential. With Dee and Jalen, we could have a Mr. Indiana and Mr. Michigan respectively. We need to continue to supplement our recruiting with impact transfers. Travis Taylor looks to be next in line. I agree with Juice, it's only when we've played in a Final Four (or 2) that we will be able to start landing the McD AA's.

The Atlantic-10 is such a burden on our program. I can't wait for the eventual Big East shake out where we will see the formation an all-basketball conference. Bobo, and eventually Amodio, will usher us to the next echelon in conferences and help guaranty are continued ascent up the national ladder. A staff not hamstringed by the specter of the A-10 on the recruiting trail would be a great sight.

The corruption in college athletics sickens me. How come everyone know who is cheating but the regulating body who cheats? We all know what recruits are being shopped. How come the NCAA doesn't? I look at UCF reeling in top recruits all of a sudden to Conference USA and laugh. Good joke guys.

Sash is a nerd but like him. He has passion for the program. One love, One Jamaica foos.

Thank you Super for an intelligent, thought out post. You are correct on alot of things you said here. Rome wasnt built in a day and neither is the X program. Do we need better and more high level recruits to make the next jump-damn straight. However, to make a Final Four is also about the "luck of the draw." We will make a final four and eventually Xavier will hang another national title in the rafters.

As for other schools and the NCAA, you are also correct. The NCAA (to me) is a hypocritical, money hungry wasteland. They are in the business of making money off college kids who arent allowed to make money. I personally feel that even though a kid is on scholarship, he or she should get a larger stipend from the schools due to the amount of money they make for the school and the NCAA. An hoops or football athlete is not able to work during the summer thus no chance at earning extra cash. However, the school and the NCAA can sell their likeness all day and night and its ok. I do not think paying players or recruits is the answer but something within the rules needs to be done. As for schools that break rules and never get punished, you are correct. How does Bruce Pearl have a job. How does John Calipari get absolved of his "sins" yet the schools and the kids suffer. How can a guy like Tim Floyd have a job? The reason is the NCAA cares more about money than anything else and will save face but nothing more. Here is the "problem" though with recruits being paid. Let's say one of us has proof or proof beyond a reasonable doubt that a recruits "family" is being paid for him to go play at school A. If school b knows it, how do you go about "exposing them?" When you go to the NCAA you then turn into a whistle blower. You then lose that kid, his HS, his AAU and alot of other AAU programs and shoe companies based upon the "telling." Its a catch 22 that has no positive resolution. It sucks but it happens every day. If Xavier wanted to pay for a player, we would be welcoming Michael Chandler to Victory Parkway. However, we pulled his ship. That is how we do things and always will. We are not saints but we are one helluva lot closer to saints than sinners.

The world of college athletics is flawed and corrupt. Its no different than the world of banking before 2008,etc. The NCAA and its institutions are so dead set on making money that they gloss over the real mantra of the NCAA and college athletics-to protect, promote and grow the student athlete to provide them with the education and life skills to be successful once the graduate with a college degree. Many schools still believe this while others dont give 2 shits. Sad thing is, there are many more schools these days who dont care than care. I am glad though that my alma mater is still in the caring camp.

Again, call me a nerd if you want. If a nerd means a passionate, supportive, successful Xavier alum, fan and booster then ok, so be it.

[AusBosh]

Let's meet sometime and I'll buy you a bourbon and we can discuss this face to face. (That is if you're LDA.)

LDA? Sweet post buddy, Im sure you and your keyboard cowboy buddies will be rofl on that one at your next world of warcraft meeting.

[boozehound]

LDA? Sweet post buddy, Im sure you and your keyboard cowboy buddies will be rofl on that one at your next world of warcraft meeting.

That's pretty sweet that you are on the internet at 9:30 on a Friday night making fun of other people for being dorks on the message board of a team that you don't even appear to be a fan of. Truly the mark of a man that is living a full life.

[AusBosh]

That's pretty sweet that you are on the internet at 9:30 on a Friday night making fun of other people for being dorks on the message board of a team that you don't even appear to be a fan of. Truly the mark of a man that is living a full life.

About as sweet as your Rugby shirt.

[boozehound]

About as sweet as your Rugby shirt.

You simply can't be older than 12. If you are, may god have mercy on your soul. This conversation is over.