Juwan Staten Transferring???

[Xpectations]

According to a former Dayton 1,000-point scorer, things are getting ugly between Brian Gregory and Juwan's father. (http://www.blackburnreview.com/main/2011/1/26/rolling-downhill.html)

[Muskie]

I imagine he would end up in Arizona?

[sweet16]

This is interesting. I saw the same thing posted on MM earlier this morning and immediately went to UDPride assuming that board would be close to meltdown.......did not see a single thread dedicated to this topic. Either their mods are deleting as soon as they go up or it is so absurd it's not a topic of conversation (or I guess maybe it's really old news to them).

[Chermy23]

I for one was very surprised he actually stuck with his commitment to go to UD after he played his senior season at Oak Hill. I thought for sure someone would nab him away.

At the incredibly off chance he does transfer I hope we have a bug in his dads ear. Could you imagine if he came to X? First off, we would have another great point guard. Second, and most important UD Basketball as we know it would IMPLODE if their best player transferred to X. Makes my head spin just thinking about it.

[XULucho27]

This is interesting. I saw the same thing posted on MM earlier this morning and immediately went to UDPride assuming that board would be close to meltdown.......did not see a single thread dedicated to this topic. Either their mods are deleting as soon as they go up or it is so absurd it's not a topic of conversation (or I guess maybe it's really old news to them).

They've got one thread on it now pruporting that the whole thing was made up by posters over at MM. Did they not see it's being reported by a ud blog?


Here's an interesting take from our friends down I-75.

I cannot imagine that there's anything to this, just typical made up crap from their immature posters having a little fun throwing salt in our painfully exposed wounds right now.

[kyxu]

I for one was very surprised he actually stuck with his commitment to go to UD after he played his senior season at Oak Hill. I thought for sure someone would nab him away.

At the incredibly off chance he does transfer I hope we have a bug in his dads ear. Could you imagine if he came to X? First off, we would have another great point guard. Second, and most important UD Basketball as we know it would IMPLODE if their best player transferred to X. Makes my head spin just thinking about it.

Not that I think Staten would ever transfer from UD, but there's no way he would transfer to an in-conference school.

And considering Davis coming in next year, I hope Xavier coaches would just leave this situation alone.

[ChiTownMuskie]

I hope he stays. He'll give us fits for the next three years, but it will be good for the league to have a high-profile player like him (in addition to our guys, of course..).

[xavierj]

I hope he stays. He'll have his career ruined over the next three years, but it will be good for the league to have a high-profile player like him (in addition to our guys, of course..).

Fixed that for ya. Has Dayton ever had a player improve with Brian Gregory? Chris Wright once had NBA potential, now he may not even be able to play in Europe. It's happening to Chris Johnson as well.

[Pete Delkus]

As much as I like to belittle Dayton fans for their lack of understanding of their place in the college basketball world and how their attempts to ride Xavier’s coattails are humorous…I would hate to see this happen.

As long as they are in OUR league, we need them to succeed to some point.

Certain factions still fail to see who the Daddy is…But as the Father, we still need to make sure our house is in order, as long as we remain in the dwelling.

I hope he stays.

[gladdenguy]

According to these reports I find it hard to believe he will stay if everything is accurate.
I guess one thing Dayton has going for them is the fact that Juwan Staten does not want to sit out a year.
However, I do not hate Dayton even close to how much I hate UC, so I would like him to stay.
Dayton fans understand Xavier is a much better program (at least any logical Dayton fan). Evidence is mounting if you have read udpride in the last month.
UC fans, on the other hand, think if they were in the A-10 they would win it every year, and they think if they would have kept Huggins they would have much more success than Xavier. Drives me crazy. Can't stand UC and their delusional fans.

[Juice]

Not that I think Staten would ever transfer from UD, but there's no way he would transfer to an in-conference school.

And considering Davis coming in next year, I hope Xavier coaches would just leave this situation alone.

It's not if he would or not, it is if he could transfer to an in conference school. A lot of schools will block where their player can go and you can sure as hell bet that UD would block him from coming here.

[Jumpy]

It's nearly impossible for him to end up here. I would just be happy with the fact that he transferred out ofthe dump. Yet another reminder of their status in life.

[Muskied]

The part that confuses me is, what made Staten's family comfortable with UD before? Why are they surprised that they suck, don't develop players, or utilize an individul players skill set?

[PMI]

If I were a ud fan, I'd much rather see Gregory "transfer," or in other words, get the can. If they could get a good up-and-comer, that would be a good job to take over right now. They have some players because Gregory is a solid recruiter, but we've all seen for a long enough period of time that he isn't a winner. I could have it either way though. If ud is competitive, good for the A10 and Xavier. If they tank and become a miserable program, hilarious.

[Jumpy]

Maybe his dad thought that he could "influence" a coach like Gregory better than a top tier coach? Either way, I wouldn't want a prick like that around our program, trying to get into Coach Mack's ear.

[MHettel]

He probably could have gone to most schools. He didn't pick UD because it's awesome, he wanted to stay close. And his dad is obviously fairly involved....

I would think there is a small list of schools in the proximity of Dayton that he would consider.

And, while dad may think he's being helpfull, he may not realize that the list of coaches that want a trasfer with baggage is small.

[Blue Blooded-05]

At the incredibly off chance he does transfer I hope we have a bug in his dads ear. Could you imagine if he came to X? First off, we would have another great point guard. Second, and most important UD Basketball as we know it would IMPLODE if their best player transferred to X. Makes my head spin just thinking about it.

At Xavier, success is generational. Tu Holloway is the next in line of "average" recruits to grow into great leaders. Holloway is merely following in the footsteps of players like West, Sato, Burrell, Raymond and Love; who showed progression each year until it became their turn to shine under the bright lights of March Madness.

At Xavier, success is like a salmon. Xavier players are like eagles... eagles who grasp said-metaphoric salmon in their talons and bring it back to their nests to nourish the next generation.

At Dayton, failure is generational. Jawan Staten is the next in line of "can't miss" recruits to grow into poor leaders. Staten is merely following in the footsteps of players like Brooks Hall, Ramod Marshall, Brian Roberts and Chris Wright; who showed regression each year until it became their turn to buckle under the bright lights of March Madness.

At Dayton, failure is like poison. Dayton players are like ants.... ants who grasp said-metaphoric poison in their fangs and bring it back to their colony to exterminate the next generation.

Bottom line: I don't want a player at Xavier that ever suited up for Dayton. I don't want a Xavier player playing on the same AAU team as a Dayton player. I don't want a Xavier player playing on the same AAU team as a player who once played elementary school basketball with a Dayton player.

[drudy23]

According to a former Dayton 1,000-point scorer, things are getting ugly between Brian Gregory and Juwan's father. (http://www.blackburnreview.com/main/2011/1/26/rolling-downhill.html)

I read this and two things come to mind:

1) Why wouldn't Gregory say to the dad "Get the fu*k out of my office...I'm the coach"
2) Juwan, I would imagine, is an adult...he can make his own decisions...how can dad or family members "force" him to leave Dayton? Hey Juwan, grow some balls and tell your dad to SHUT THE FU*K UP!!!

[ChiTownMuskie]

It's not if he would or not, it is if he could transfer to an in conference school. A lot of schools will block where their player can go and you can sure as hell bet that UD would block him from coming here.

You have to sit out two years if you transfer to an in conference school. That alone should dismiss any notion that he would even consider X.

[Jumpy]

At Xavier, success is like a salmon. Xavier players are like eagles... eagles who grasp said-metaphoric salmon in their talons and bring it back to their nests to nourish the next generation...

At Dayton, failure is like poison. Dayton players are like ants.... ants who grasp said-metaphoric poison in their fangs and bring it back to their colony to exterminate the next generation.

In your short stint on these boards, you have already posted some of the most entertaining analogies posted here. Congratulations, you win the internets.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Why would we even except a Dayton transfer...Ever. I really don't want to face Staten for next three seasons but it sounds like he really likes Dayton and it would be a shame if his dad made him transfer.

[stjamesxu08]

check this out...i guess they have all come to the assumption that post season for them means NIT

"Give him the start and let him make a run at Huelsman's record. Four seasons of deep NIT runs and he could be UD's all time starts leader."

i love it!

[Mack Attack]

Staten no doubt has tons of potential but I would much rather have have Davis take over after Holloway leaves than a transfer with daddy issues.

[kyxu]

At Xavier, success is generational. Tu Holloway is the next in line of "average" recruits to grow into great leaders. Holloway is merely following in the footsteps of players like West, Sato, Burrell, Raymond and Love; who showed progression each year until it became their turn to shine under the bright lights of March Madness.

Tu Holloway was not an "average" recruit by anyone's standards.

[Blue Blooded-05]

In your short stint on these boards, you have already posted some of the most entertaining analogies posted here. Congratulations, you win the internets.

I appreciate the kind words, Jumpy. I can be a bit of a grab bag... Maybe you've noticed, haha.



Tu Holloway was not an "average" recruit by anyone's standards.

Ha Ha Ha... Yea... (Blue Blooded-05 smiles and nods his head slowly). I agree... I knew someone was going to call me out on that one... I think either Rivals or Scout had him as a 3star... However, I'm pretty sure they originally had him higher when committed to Indiana and reduced it when later committed to Xavier.

[Juice]

I appreciate the kind words, Jumpy. I can be a bit of a grab bag... Maybe you've noticed, haha.




Ha Ha Ha... Yea... (Blue Blooded-05 smiles and nods his head slowly). I agree... I knew someone was going to call me out on that one... I think either Rivals or Scout had him as a 3star... However, I'm pretty sure they originally had him higher when committed to Indiana and reduced it when later committed to Xavier.

Rivals has him as a 4 star ranked right at 100

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Terrell-Holloway-66967

[X-band '01]

Even if Staten wanted to sit out 2 seasons and transfer to Xavier, I doubt UD would release him from his scholarship if that were the case like Jio Fontan at Fordham. Not that he was looking to transfer to another A-10 school, but apparently he wanted to initially transfer to another local school that Fordham wouldn't accept.

[PM Thor]

Time for the graffiti artist up in dayton to bust out
"Staten to Wright State!" on some overpasses up there.

dayton fans would go bat crap loony tunes if that happened. And I would consider it the best thing ever. Ever I say.

I HATE dayton.

[xu95]

If he wants to be a winner he will transfer. Bottom line is that NBA Scouts only show up at UD arena to see the players on the opposing team.

xu95

[boozehound]

I appreciate the kind words, Jumpy. I can be a bit of a grab bag... Maybe you've noticed, haha.


You said grab bag.

(Mature, I know)

[danaandvictory]

I read this and two things come to mind:

1) Why wouldn't Gregory say to the dad "Get the fu*k out of my office...I'm the coach"
2) Juwan, I would imagine, is an adult...he can make his own decisions...how can dad or family members "force" him to leave Dayton? Hey Juwan, grow some balls and tell your dad to SHUT THE FU*K UP!!!

The quote from BR isn't exactly clear, but they clarified that it was UD lead assistant Billy Schmidt -- the guy that recruited Staten -- that went to Gregory.

I'll say this: every time the Blackburn Review has "broken" a story in the past two years it's been dead-on. I've had some email conversations with those guys and I get the impression that they have some very solid connections inside UD's program.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I am a huge fan of the guy(s) at Blackburn Review.

They recently just ripped on the ultimate UD homer "swampy Meadows". Hiliarious. I highly suggest reading it

[paulxu]

I think the UDpride guys couldn't stand the heat, and took down the thread.

[Masterofreality]

I am a huge fan of the guy(s) at Blackburn Review.


As am I. Always worth the read.

[Xpectations]

I am a huge fan of the guy(s) at Blackburn Review.

They recently just ripped on the ultimate UD homer "swampy Meadows". Hiliarious. I highly suggest reading it

Just read their Swampy burn. Everyone realizes he is a complete buffoon but their take on Swampy is utter brilliance!

[beatuc]

I think the UDpride guys couldn't stand the heat, and took down the thread.

I saw that too. It looks like there may be a lot of truth tthat hey are trying to cover up at Udump.

[RealDeal]

Constant sucking leads to a dysfunctional fan base, see ud and uc.

[SlimKibbles]

I for one was very surprised he actually stuck with his commitment to go to UD after he played his senior season at Oak Hill. I thought for sure someone would nab him away.

At the incredibly off chance he does transfer I hope we have a bug in his dads ear. Could you imagine if he came to X?First off, we would have another great point guard. Second, and most important UD Basketball as we know it would IMPLODE if their best player transferred to X. Makes my head spin just thinking about it.

I'd be okay with that as long as he left his dad in Dayton. Dude sounds a little nuts. We don't need that drama here.

[Emp]

We've had some pretty good dads around Xavier, including Tom Mack and Mike Kelsey. It must be very difficult to invest so much in a son who is an athlete and then "let go" when they leave the nest for college. Being an advocate for a child, even a 19 year old, is just the first instinct, and maybe the second and third. Yeah LL Parents can be obnoxious, but on a scale of getting too involved/not involved at all, I will take the too involved side.

The second dynamic is being to look realistically and objectively at a child's potential. Anyone who gets to D1 scholly territory has to be pretty decent as a high school player. So thinking your kid should be getting more playing time and more looks is just part of the territory. I just wish I saw more of the attitude that at some point, basketball is not going to be your child's life, so get him ready for going out into the real world while he is enjoying the ride.

[xubrew]

You have to sit out two years if you transfer to an in conference school. That alone should dismiss any notion that he would even consider X.

that's not the rule. if it is, then it is something the conference enforces, and i seriously doubt the atlantic ten has such a rule. there is no ncaa rule that says a player must sit out two years if they tranfer within the conference.

if a player is not released, all it means is that they cannot receive athletic aid or compete for one full academic year. in other words, if he wanted to transfer to xavier, and dayton wouldn't release him, he could still come. he'd just have to pay his own way for one year and sit out. in basketball and football, even if they are released, they have to sit out a year anyway, so all it really means is that he's paying out of pocket for one year.

[xubrew]

I read this and two things come to mind:

1) Why wouldn't Gregory say to the dad "Get the fu*k out of my office...I'm the coach"
2) Juwan, I would imagine, is an adult...he can make his own decisions...how can dad or family members "force" him to leave Dayton? Hey Juwan, grow some balls and tell your dad to SHUT THE FU*K UP!!!

i think that would have been the appropriate response...

[sash19]

Brew:

I am almost 100% certain that is the A10 rule. I asked someone with knowledge of the conference rules what would happen if Chris Braswell wanted to leave UNCC before this season and come to X and was told it wouldnt happen and even if it did, interconference transfers are 2 years in the A10.

[xubrew]

Brew:

I am almost 100% certain that is the A10 rule. I asked someone with knowledge of the conference rules what would happen if Chris Braswell wanted to leave UNCC before this season and come to X and was told it wouldnt happen and even if it did, interconference transfers are 2 years in the A10.

that may be an atlantic ten rule, but when did you ask him that?? if it was after the academic year already began, and he transferred to xavier in the middle of the year, he would have to be at x for one full academic year before he could play. depending on the timing of it, he could be sitting out all of this season and next season as well.

again, i don't know the specific atlantic ten rules, but that's not the ncaa rule.

[sash19]

It was asked in the summer before school had started yet Alan was hired and 2, it is a league rule not an NCAA rule.

[dc_x]

Apparently, there was video of the meeting between Gregory and Staten's dad.

http://www.blackburnreview.com/main/2011/2/1/a-timmy-wabs-production.html

[Espe]

Apparently, there was video of the meeting between Gregory and Staten's dad.

http://www.blackburnreview.com/main/2011/2/1/a-timmy-wabs-production.html

Good lord, that is gold.

[SixFig]

Apparently, there was video of the meeting between Gregory and Staten's dad.

http://www.blackburnreview.com/main/2011/2/1/a-timmy-wabs-production.html

Wow. I sense some bitterness in Dayton.

[bobbiemcgee]

Absolutely hilarious.

[Xman95]

That video should win an ESPY.

[Xman95]

that's not the rule. if it is, then it is something the conference enforces, and i seriously doubt the atlantic ten has such a rule. there is no ncaa rule that says a player must sit out two years if they tranfer within the conference.

Sash is correct that it's a league rule. I know the Big 10 has the same rule. I think Luke Recker had to sit two years after deciding to transfer from Indiana to Iowa.

[bobbiemcgee]

That video should win an ESPY.

love the coupon too

http://www.blackburnreview.com/main/2011/1/31/buy-one-get-one.html

[whitesox]

Sash is correct that it's a league rule. I know the Big 10 has the same rule. I think Luke Recker had to sit two years after deciding to transfer from Indiana to Iowa.

Recker transferred twice- he went to Arizona after leaving Indiana, then he transferred back to Iowa after getting in a car wreck that left his girlfriend paralyzed. I'm pretty sure he got an NCAA waiver when he transferred from Arizona to Iowa and did not have to sit out a second year.

That being said: pretty sure you are right and the Big 10 does have that rule

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab82/NBow37/GregoryAttack.jpg?t=1296616344

[waggy]

That coupon is hilarious.

[nuts4xu]

Apparently, there was video of the meeting between Gregory and Staten's dad.

http://www.blackburnreview.com/main/2011/2/1/a-timmy-wabs-production.html

One of the funniest fucking things I have seen in a long time. Nice work!

[Blueblob4life]

That was pure hilarity. none of this watered down BS, but pure hilarity. It almost makes me feel bad for them, knowing that there's clearly a schism between those folks at the Review and everyone else on UDpride, especially since it involves the status of their beloved coach.
In all seriousness though, can none of those idiots agree on anything? Their coach is clearly horrible but I'm pretty sure most of them have blinders on that are the size of watermelons. The video is right on one thing: you win the NIT by beating some crap teams (including a severely hobbled UNC for the title) then you suck the next year? Aren't teams that win the NIT traditionally better the next year and make the actual Tournament? Something doesn't add up at UDump. Oh well, college algebra must be a graduate level course there or it's taught by BG himself.

Fail

[Masterofreality]

That video alone should tell you to read the Blackburn Review every day.

Just incredible.

[xudash]

That video alone should tell you to read the Blackburn Review every day.

Just incredible.

I think I will.

These guys are hilarious. They even take direct shots at UDPRide and Swampy Meadows.

Poor Swampy. I think of Swampy and I see Kevin Bacon in uniform: "ALL IS WELL!!!!!!!!!!"

[DC Muskie]

I really enjoy Blackburn. It is must read.

By the way, whenever I think of Dayton, I think of the Titanic and how their fans are just shuffling the chairs.

Someone just needs to tell them, "Hey look guys, it's going to sink."

[CinciX12]

I nearly cried during that video from laughing. How appropriate it would have been right?

[muskiefan82]

Wouldn't you?

[SixFig]

Wouldn't you?

I'm not dumb enough to go to Dayton in the first place. That right there should be the first sign that Staten has bad judgement

[UCGRAD4X]

love the coupon too

http://www.blackburnreview.com/main/2011/1/31/buy-one-get-one.html

"There's Sober Kids at Xavier" (?)
WTF? To whom might this be referring? Not to mention the grammar is wrong.
Maybe it was meant to "There are sober kids at Millet"

[bobbiemcgee]

What a friggin' meltdown last night. Not looking like Juwan will ever make it to the dance with this crew.

[joe titan]

Even less likely for the next few seasons. Without Chris Wright for most of 2nd half, UD had zero offense.

CM take note what happens to UD if Staten struggles.

[bobbiemcgee]

Juwan on Facebook - 2/28

Life is a great teacher, it lets you make decisions and teaches you the lesson afterwards. Sometimes I wish I could get a warning tho! Always go with your gut feeling because it is always better to be completely happy as oppose to "trying to make things work." I'm going back and doing it right this time..."

[drudy23]

Juwan on Facebook - 2/28

Life is a great teacher, it lets you make decisions and teaches you the lesson afterwards. Sometimes I wish I could get a warning tho! Always go with your gut feeling because it is always better to be completely happy as oppose to "trying to make things work." I'm going back and doing it right this time..."

Hmmm....

[bobbiemcgee]

more Juwan Facebook:

You never know what you had until it's gone...

[bobbiemcgee]

They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.

Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell - 1971 - for you younger than paulxu (everybody)

:logo:

[xavierj]

Is he referring to a girl? Swampy Meadow's? A basketball career? What gives? If he is thinking about leaving Dayton I bet he ends up at UC.

[bobbiemcgee]

dunno - maybe another comment on DC's trunk for all we know.

[dto]

They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.

Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell - 1971 - for you younger than paulxu (everybody)

:logo:

That's a Counting Crows song ;)

[ThePowerOfX]

Looks official, Staten is leaving UD

"I guess it just wasn't meant to be. I loved playing at the University of Dayton but it just wasn't meant to be... To all the UD fans, I love being in my city, I loved the fan support, I loved the playing in front of 13,000 every night, and I just loved being a flyer. I wish the team nothing but the best! I can't say this doesn't hurt like hell but everything happens for a reason. As Lupe says "The show goes on...""

From his Facebook page (credit Blackburn Review for breaking it first)

[HuskyMuskie]

Looks official, Staten is leaving UD

"I guess it just wasn't meant to be. I loved playing at the University of Dayton but it just wasn't meant to be... To all the UD fans, I love being in my city, I loved the fan support, I loved the playing in front of 13,000 every night, and I just loved being a flyer. I wish the team nothing but the best! I can't say this doesn't hurt like hell but everything happens for a reason. As Lupe says "The show goes on...""

From his Facebook page (credit Blackburn Review for breaking it first)

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Total meltdown on UDPride. I love winning.

:D

[Titanxman04]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Total meltdown on UDPride. I love winning.

:D

Tiger blood, fool.

[danaandvictory]

I know a lot of guys who live and die (mostly die) with the Flyers. Crushing news for that program.

[Xavgrad08]

Best of luck to Staten. I certainly can't blame the kid for leaving. Will be interesting to see where he ends up, and how that program handles Staten's dad.

[AdamtheFlyer]

Keep an eye on Clemson...but he'll get up to take his visits.

There is a lot that never came out publicly. Staten didn't exactly make friends with teammates, never got along with coaches. It's not that he's a bad guy, things just never clicked. He and his father are not the easiest people to deal with. Sometimes people just need to go separate ways. I don't think that BG was exactly begging him to stay, the feeling was pretty mutual, and he may not be the only guy leaving under the same circumstances. I'll leave it at that.

As a fan, this is crippling. UD hoops is at a very important crossroads. I don't see a middle ground. I also have zero faith BG will pick the correct path from here.

[xudash]

Swampy Meadows, Swampy Meadows,
How are you doing?
You ended up wrong about Wright,
All that needless spewing.

Swampy Meadows, Swampy Meadows,
What now for your vaudeville Flyers?
Staten's Dad has had enough,
Leaving nothing but clueless Cryers.

Swampy Meadows, Swampy Meadows,
Knowledgeable fans know Dayton has sucked.
Take off those rose-colored glasses,
To now see how much Dayton is phucked.

[rhyno2110]

Just helps ensure another year of XU domination!

[X Factor]

Keep an eye on Clemson...but he'll get up to take his visits.

There is a lot that never came out publicly. Staten didn't exactly make friends with teammates, never got along with coaches. It's not that he's a bad guy, things just never clicked. He and his father are not the easiest people to deal with. Sometimes people just need to go separate ways. I don't think that BG was exactly begging him to stay, the feeling was pretty mutual, and he may not be the only guy leaving under the same circumstances. I'll leave it at that.

As a fan, this is crippling. UD hoops is at a very important crossroads. I don't see a middle ground. I also have zero faith BG will pick the correct path from here.


ATF - I heard Juwan and Brandon Spearman were really close friends and roomates; any chance Spearman decides to leave too? Didn't he post on his facebook something about making a decision?

[BBC 08]

Tonight is a great night for #IfSwampyMeadowsTweeted. Makes up for not doing it during the last two X games.

[BBC 08]

ATF - I heard Juwan and Brandon Spearman were really close friends and roomates; any chance Spearman decides to leave too? Didn't he post on his facebook something about making a decision?

Funny you say that about Spearman. Blackburn is already on top of it by speculating stuff is rumbling beneath the surface on him.

[ThePowerOfX]

From the DDN:

"“I like coach (Brian) Gregory as a person. I respect him. But I just don’t feel like I got any better this year,” Staten said. “I don’t feel like I could reach my full potential if I stay at Dayton.”

“When coach Gregory recruited me, as heavily as he recruited me – it started when I was a freshman in high school till I stepped on campus – I felt there were certain things that defined me as a player, and I don’t feel like he let me do those things. I don’t feel my talent was used as it could have been.

“This year, I was more of a distributor, and I tried to be the best passing point guard I could be. I tried to help the team win. I’m a competitor, I’m going to help the team and take a back seat if I have to. But in the bigger plan for me and my future and my goals, I wasn’t able to do everything I can do."

Also, According to BR, Spearman's papers have been turned in also...

[AdamtheFlyer]

I like Juwan, but he's truly his daddy's son. That's Billy Staten talking out of Juwan's mouth.

It's unfortunate, because those words will make him the bad guy, and deflect all pressure off BG.

[Espe]

Hopefully for the Juwan's sake, he gets far away from his dad. Sounds like he needs to. Let the kid grow up.

[ItsAllAboutTheX]

was Brandon Spearman part of a package to get Staten? or is he just leaving because Staten is?

[AdamtheFlyer]

was Brandon Spearman part of a package to get Staten? or is he just leaving because Staten is?

I don't think there was any package deal, but Spearman and Staten are supposedly really good friends.

There were a lot of chemistry issues. It's no secret that Juwan and Chris Johnson do not like each other. It's also rumored that there were only a couple players that were universally liked. It was a bad situation all around. BG lost the team sometime in late January. Any patchwork that had been done fell apart. I would love to know what exactly went down, but I'm not that connected.

[MCXU]

Damn, I love being a Xavier fan.
Thats all I can think right now.
This team/program/university continually rewards me as a fan/grad.

I imagine hell has got to be similar to being a Dayton fan.
Except maybe hell is a little less blighted.

[DC Muskie]

This news brings me no pleasure. The A-10 needs all the talent they can get.

[Muskied]

Meachum, Plummer, Alvarez, Adedeji, Thomas, Staten, Spearman. 7 players in 6 years....are you sure it's a Staten dad issue UD? Wake up.

[XU 87]

From the DDN:

"“I like coach (Brian) Gregory as a person. I respect him. But I just don’t feel like I got any better this year,” Staten said. “I don’t feel like I could reach my full potential if I stay at Dayton.”

“Also, According to BR, Spearman's papers have been turned in also...

Could the first paragraph be any more of an indictment on the UD program and Gregory? He probably saw Wright play in high school and saw that he never developed.

And the second paragraph- talk about piling on.

[Muskie1995]

While transfers hurt but when it's a star player from a program like _ayton that needs one it hurts big time. Future recruits will question Gregory & staff. And like posters have stated; losing a player like Staten for the league does more hurt than good. But "stuff" happens & I wish the kid the best.

My concern with both Staten & Spearman transferring, is Gregory's job on the line too? I hope not for the fear of _ayton actully hiring a good coach might happen. :D


GO XAVIER!!!

:logo::logo::logo:

[MCXU]

Spearman is officially gone too.

http://www.whiotv.com/sports/27274259/detail.html

[danaandvictory]

Spearman's gone too, reported officially.

Jesus, what a mess.

[joe titan]

Truthfully, as Adam iterates, part of the factions had developed between Staten/Spearman vs. Chris Johnson. Coach Gregory, for whatever reasons, rode with the more established Johnson, and the younger players could not be convinced enough to assume lesser roles now and allow their futures to develop.

Notwithstanding, let's not dismiss UD so easily. Dillard is capable enough PG and wing guards who cannot shoot are plentiful at every level. Replacing those two, however unpleasant, should not be insurmountable.

[XU 87]

Staten was a top 50 recruit who Xavier/Miller wanted very badly. UD will not be able to replace him. And I think this will have recruiting ramifications for UD in the future.

I like making fun of UD, and their delusional fans, but I actually feel a little bad for them. This is an absolute disaster.

[DC Muskie]

They had a tough time replacing Meachum. Staten was by my estimate about a billion times better.

[Muskie]

Staten was a top 50 recruit who Xavier/Miller wanted very badly. UD will not be able to replace him. And I think this will have recruiting ramifications for UD in the future.

I like making fun of UD, and their delusional fans, but I actually feel a little bad for them. This is an absolute disaster.

Don't worry. I read some threads over at UDpride that seemed to blame him for the mid-season tailspin (questioning his floor leadership or something like that). There are some over there who think they'll be better with him gone...

I can't make this stuff up.

[chico]

UD's heading for Jim O'Brien territory. Before Staten transferred coaches could point to Gregory's track record regarding lack of player development when recruiting against him, but now they have the additional ammo of a former player confirming it.

UD really needs some boosters to step up and buy him out. Like others have said, it's fun to poke fun at UD, but when they're 5-22 it kind of takes the sport out of it.

Just a word of advice to their AD - do not hire the assistant of a top tier head coach. You've tried that - twice - and look where it's gotten you. Go and get an up and coming head coach from a smaller conference - or Fran Frischilla.

[Muskie]

UD's heading for Jim O'Brien territory. Before Staten transferred coaches could point to Gregory's track record regarding lack of player development when recruiting against him, but now they have the additional ammo of a former player confirming it.

UD really needs some boosters to step up and buy him out. Like others have said, it's fun to poke fun at UD, but when they're 5-22 it kind of takes the sport out of it.

Just a word of advice to their AD - do not hire the assistant of a top tier head coach. You've tried that - twice - and look where it's gotten you. Go and get an up and coming head coach from a smaller conference - or Fran Frischilla.

Shaka Smart?

[bigdiggins]

Shaka Smart?

Shaka will be at NC State or Ga. Tech. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mooney at the other.

[Juice]

Shaka Smart?

If I am Shaka "Smart" (get it?) there is no way I take the UD job. There are so many better openings available right now: Ga Tech, Arkansas, Oklahoma, maybe Tennesse, etc.

[Muskied]

To me, Spearman is the one who really hurts. That kid is tough, I would have loved to see him at Xavier. They do have 2 PG's next year but only one SG with Williams, and thats not going to get it done...unless CJ plays the 2, which gives you no 3, or Parker shares both positions....not good.

[Masterofreality]

The Midget is going nowhere, unless he leaves himself, but who would have him? Then again, Purnell left Clemson to go to DePuke, but that was about money. There will be no body who will go after the little man.

Remember the number- 2018. There is no way that the bitter old blue hairs that sit in the 100 sections of the dump cesspool will ante up for enough caish to pay a buyout.

They have made their sty, and they will wallow in it.

[suspectx]

If I am Shaka "Smart" (get it?) there is no way I take the UD job. There are so many better openings available right now: Ga Tech, Arkansas, Oklahoma, maybe Tennesse, etc.
I'm not just saying this because UD is a rival, but would Shaka Smart to UD be anymore than a lateral move? I could almost argue that the VCU program is in much better shape than UD in the last 5 years. He would be crazy to go anywhere but a big time job from VCU.

[gladdenguy]

Honestly,
If I were Dayton I wouldn't want this punk and his dad anywhere near the program. Obviously, there was a fight at halftime during the Richmond game (which DDN reporters continue to try and keep quiet). The fight had to do with Chris Wright, Chris Johnson and the punk that Juwan Staten is.
It is better for Dayton he is leaving. The dude sucks anyway. He had his best game against us. He has a terrible shot (4-26 on threes)....he can dish and get to the hoop....he can't finish when he gets around the rim. He sucks.
Whomever takes on this punk and his daddy will regret it. The kid has been on 4 teams in 4 years. PUNK.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

You guys ready for the Dayton spin on the issue? UDPride is saying:

"He was a punk"

"He thought he was better than he is"

"He's not as good as KD and probably wouldn't have started next year"

"He was a cancer in the locker room"

"The team will be better without him"

Hilarious

[Muskied]

You guys ready for the Dayton spin on the issue? UDPride is saying:

"He was a punk"

"He thought he was better than he is"

"He's not as good as KD and probably wouldn't have started next year"

"He was a cancer in the locker room"

"The team will be better without him"

Hilarious

It's like watching Charlie Sheen defend himself while his career goes down the drain. Yah, who needs a top 50 pg and the best defending guard you had? Now your PF can spend the entire game chucking it from 35 feet. Perfect.

[Smails]

Shaka Smart?

Bruce Pearl is looking for work

[jdm2000]

Meltdown time here. I wonder if Gregory does everything he can to get out of there. If so, it would be a program-defining hire that UD would have to make...

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Meltdown time here. I wonder if Gregory does everything he can to get out of there. If so, it would be a program-defining hire that UD would have to make...

Dunno...Blackburn is saying Gregory is being seriously considered for the Tenn job (How? Why? I have no idea). I've also heard rumors that more players are grumbling about transferring.

[drudy23]

Enter sound of implosion here...

[SkyWalker]

I can hear it up I-75 now.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

http://bestanimations.com/military/Explosions/Explode-02-june.gif

[BBC 08]

Dunno...Blackburn is saying Gregory is being seriously considered for the Tenn job (How? Why? I have no idea). I've also heard rumors that more players are grumbling about transferring.

Heard it on the radio down here in Nashville from the UT Rivals guy. I don't know why they are thinking about Gregory but his name is out there for it.

[xavierj]

Heard it on the radio down here in Nashville from the UT Rivals guy. I don't know why they are thinking about Gregory but his name is out there for it.

Who else are they going to get with sanctions coming? Look who they hired for the football program which is a lot more important.

[XU05and07]

Bruce Pearl is looking for work

He would refuse to being his team to Cintas

[XU05and07]

I'm not just saying this because UD is a rival, but would Shaka Smart to UD be anymore than a lateral move? I could almost argue that the VCU program is in much better shape than UD in the last 5 years. He would be crazy to go anywhere but a big time job from VCU.

Looking at performance...it would be a step down. Dayton can't make the dance or ever dream of getting to the Sweet 16

[XU05and07]

Who else are they going to get with sanctions coming? Look who they hired for the football program which is a lot more important.

Tom Crean is a glutton for punishment

[Juice]

Who else are they going to get with sanctions coming? Look who they hired for the football program which is a lot more important.

Which is why it's not a bad move for Gregory. He will have several years of no pressure and higher salary. He will be able to fool people for a little bit but by then he will have made a decent chunk of change.

[PM Thor]

I'm going to go make a Long Island Iced Tea, and go and sit on my porch. It's such a beautiful, beautiful day.

I HATE dayton.

[PM Thor]

Oh and you gotta give it up to Blackburn Review. They were reporting that Staten was transferring quite a long while ago. The idiots on udpride would have none of it....looks like they should have listened.

I HATE dayton.

[boozehound]

Oh and you gotta give it up to Blackburn Review. They were reporting that Staten was transferring quite a long while ago. The idiots on udpride would have none of it....looks like they should have listened.

I HATE dayton.

Somebody at Blackburn review definitely knows somebody, that's for sure.

[xavierj]

Somebody at Blackburn review definitely knows somebody, that's for sure.

It seems that it has to be someone within the coaching ranks or athletic department. Almost like someone wants to get info out.

[HEMI]

Compare this:


From the DDN:

"“I like coach (Brian) Gregory as a person. I respect him. But I just don’t feel like I got any better this year,” Staten said. “I don’t feel like I could reach my full potential if I stay at Dayton.”

With this originally posted by Nigel:

Gotta call from my college coach about his expectations for me next year!! Our expectations match identically!!! @coachchrismack


Just another reason why Xavier is Xavier and Dayton is, well... Dayton

[DC Muskie]

I gotta say reading these updates...holy cow.

Can I read something about Staten without having to see the words, "his father" almost right beside it?

Man Gregory really f'd this up.

[Kahns Krazy]

It seems that it has to be someone within the coaching ranks or athletic department. Almost like someone wants to get info out.

If you hang around, it's not hard to hear things. They are college kids, not CIA operatives.

[Snipe]

Wow what a disaster of a season. Staten was a top notch player.

If I was Gregory and Tenn offered I would get out of Dodge to stay a step ahead of the posse.

[xavierj]

If you hang around, it's not hard to hear things. They are college kids, not CIA operatives.

Swampy Meadows is a freaking stalker and hangs around more than the Blackburn guys. Swampy has also been around a long time. He does not get this info. This is more than just guys hanging around. They know more than the guys who are getting paid to cover UD. They know someone who is giving them info or they are great at the guessing game.

[XULucho27]

I still love the "we're a better team without them (Staten, Searcy) because our chemistry issues will be resolved."

You think you had chemistry issues at 7-9 in the A-10, just wait 'til next year. They are not a better team without those players, period. Ever.

[kyxu]

You think you had chemistry issues at 7-9 in the A-10, just wait 'til next year. They are not a better team without those players, period. Ever.

The thing with team chemistry is that winning cures a lot of ills. The issues may have arose when the team started to tank, I dunno.

[pizza delivery]

Heard a rumor on the enquirer site (A+ source) that Ledontae Henton asked out of his committment.

[X-band '01]

Wait until 2012-13! (or is it 2018-19?)

#IfSwampyMeadowsTweeted

[Muskie1995]

Heard a rumor on the enquirer site (A+ source) that Ledontae Henton asked out of his committment.

Looks like that rumor was false:

UD recruit Henton still upbeat about Flyers (http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/university-of-dayton-flyers/ud-recruit-henton-still-upbeat-about-flyers-1116771.html)

[BlueGuy]

Can someone please explain to me how Gregory's name comes up in these discussions regarding some of these job openings? I think the guy is a troll, and probably have a biased opinion about him, but seriously? Tenn? The guy can't even win at a basketball crazed school like Dayton. Every year we hear about him being a possible cantidate for such and such a school. I just don't see how it's possible.

[xnatic03]

2 years ago, Gregory probably had quite a few options (after an NCAA win). Last year, he probably still had a few options as far as bigger schools. How he has any other options this year, I have no idea.

[BlueGuy]

Sports by Brooks is reporting the GTech job is Gregory's if he wants it. (http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/georgia-tech-source-gregory-offered-hoops-job-29587)

I'm still dumbfounded by this. That guy just is not a good coach.

[Flyer1407]

Jeff Goodman at Fox via twitter-- An announcement could come tomorrow (Saturday).

It's like Christmas for UD fans. I'm fully expecting to wake up and see the presents gone and see Gregory smiling in a red sweater though....

At least I can go to bed happy.

[smileyy]

I can't imagine why a team would want to hire Brian Gregory after the Staten debacle. Recruit a kid for 4 years, your best recruit ever, get his commitment, and manage to run him off that year? BG should have built the team around Staten, hands down. If he can't do it in a way that doesn't make Staten's ego run wild (and even then, it still might not be a bad idea...), then he's failing as a coach.

[GuyFawkes38]

I can't imagine why a team would want to hire Brian Gregory after the Staten debacle. Recruit a kid for 4 years, your best recruit ever, get his commitment, and manage to run him off that year? BG should have built the team around Staten, hands down. If he can't do it in a way that doesn't make Staten's ego run wild (and even then, it still might not be a bad idea...), then he's failing as a coach.

yeah, it's puzzling.

Chris Mooney seems like a much better option.

I think BCS programs fear a slow down, princeton offense. They love run and gun coaches like Gregory. And they love coaches who can recruit well, like Gregory (even though he doesn't develop players).

[nuts4xu]

Jeff Goodman at Fox via twitter-- An announcement could come tomorrow (Saturday).

It's like Christmas for UD fans. I'm fully expecting to wake up and see the presents gone and see Gregory smiling in a red sweater though....

At least I can go to bed happy.

Best wishes to you Flyer fan....in all sincerity. I am sure you will celebrate the day you hear "Brian Gregory has accepted the job at XYZ University and will no longer be the coach at the university of dayton".

He is a worthless 50 gallon drum of suck.

[XUFan09]

It's because Dayton can't buy out his contract this early, but it's funny to hear fans of a team actually hoping that their coach leaves to take over elsewhere. It's the opposite of what you usually hear. ;)

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Its official. Staten heading to Penn State

[xudash]

Its official. Staten heading to Penn State

To be eaten alive in the BigTen, and on a campus that almost could care less about basketball.

[GuyFawkes38]

In the long term, Archie might turn the UD program around. But it'll be rocky the next few years. IMHO, Staten will be much better off at Penn ST.

[EternalLife]

I still can't get over how the Dayton fans reacted to the whole Staten Gregory situation.
Gregory will be remembered as the sane coach who just wanted the best out of his players, Staten as the crazy, delusional, star ego turned black hole that killed the team. Smh

In reality Staten wanted to play as a point guard on an offense and BG doesn't have an offense. He just wanted guys to run back and forth and jack up 3's.

[GoMuskies]

To be eaten alive in the BigTen

I don't buy that. Staten can play. He'll be fine in the Big Ten (although the teams he play on may not be very good).

[PMI]

Penn State's program isn't in terrible shape by any means. I don't think they'll ever compete for a Big Ten title in the next few years, but they aren't the bottom feeder they've been in the past.

[XUFan09]

I don't buy that. Staten can play. He'll be fine in the Big Ten (although the teams he play on may not be very good).

Agreed. Staten is a stud point guard that just chose the wrong team out of high school. Like Chris Wright. Like Brian Roberts. Like...everyone that had a scholarship offer somewhere else? I mean, if no one else was offering you a scholarship but Dayton, a full ride at a pretty good school academically while playing D1 teams that were actually meeting their potential...I guess that would be better than nothing.

[bobbiemcgee]

Statens and Huggy Bear. Can this get any more absurd.

[sgarcia]

That just made my day. Here's an article I found for anyone interested:

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/blogs/hardwood_hits/2011/06/04/juwan_staten_heading_to_west_virginia.aspx

[Titanxman04]

That just made my day. Here's an article I found for anyone interested:

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/blogs/hardwood_hits/2011/06/04/juwan_staten_heading_to_west_virginia.aspx

WHAT?!? Billy Staten involved in an article on his son?

Here is my shock face:
http://ngiley.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/omg-shock-face.jpg