Glenn Beck in Wilmington Today

[Nigel Tufnel]

My God, there are a lot of people walking the streets of Wilmington today....A LOT of people. Problem is, there isn't anything for them to do and really nowhere for them to go to get out of the freakishly cold weather we are having.

Sad thing is...downtown Wilmington today looks like downtown Lebanon on any given weekend during the year. Difference is Lebanon has tons of shops downtown. Wilmington really has nothing but a book store and sandwich store.

I applaud all of the people wanting to come to Wilmington and try to help the local economy, even if it is for just one day. However, as I understand it, Mr. Beck's entire premise for coming to Wilmington is because Wilmington hasn't asked for any government assistance. The people are trying to get back on their feet with the help of neighbors, churches and charity. That isn't really true at all. Wilmington and Clinton County have received plenty of money from the government. Hell, our Mayor was even quoted as saying he has knocked on every door he can to try to get financial help for the area.

Again, it helps bring publicity to the problem here....but don't let the facts get in the way of your crusade, Mr. Beck.

***On a side note, I have never watched Glen Beck's show and have no opinion whatsoever about his politics.

[Ledgewood]

Isn't he the spokesman for some tea company?

[madness31]

Doesn't surprise me at all to see Beck get his facts wrong. The guy is either research challenged or has trouble with honesty.

I do like the idea of small government, just realize the Republican party or the "Tea Party" subset is not going to result in that goal. Libertarian is the only way to get smaller government. The Republicans will just spend the money on military and pet projects for business, etc.

[BBC 08]

Can someone in Wilmington punch him for me please? That would be great. Thanks!

[bobbiemcgee]

http://cinemaelectronica.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/beck_crying.jpg

Not sure you would want to punch him

[boozehound]

http://cinemaelectronica.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/beck_crying.jpg

Not sure you would want to punch him

I'm pretty sure I would.

[Strange Brew]

Hate mongerers!:rolleyes:

[boozehound]

I'm sure I am going to piss somebody off, but here goes.

I have a serious question about Glenn Beck: Does anyone take him seriously?

I'm not even really talking about his politics, per se, but more about the manner in which he acts on TV. He reminds me of a political version of that Jim Kramer guy from "Mad Money".

To me, Glenn Back just comes off as an unstable lunatic that would be difficult to take seriously. I agree with some of the stuff that he says, but I think that he goes so over the top all the time that it is hard to listen to him, much less watch him.

[kinger2314]

I find it hard to take this guy seriously.

[Emp]

Where IS Li'l Glen in this thread? Snipe followed him all the way to DC, must be feeding the local economy in Clinton County today.

Beck's recent rants, loaded anti-semetic buzz words and phrases are but the tip of a very disturbing determination to turn us into fearful, warring tribes.

But enough of the trivial: where IS the best pizza in Wilmington?

[blobfan]

I'm sure I am going to piss somebody off, but here goes.

I have a serious question about Glenn Beck: Does anyone take him seriously?

I'm not even really talking about his politics, per se, but more about the manner in which he acts on TV. He reminds me of a political version of that Jim Kramer guy from "Mad Money".

To me, Glenn Back just comes off as an unstable lunatic that would be difficult to take seriously. I agree with some of the stuff that he says, but I think that he goes so over the top all the time that it is hard to listen to him, much less watch him.

Yes, people do. Say something often enough, no matter how bizarre, and eventually people start to believe it. He makes a living off that idea.

[Nigel Tufnel]

But enough of the trivial: where IS the best pizza in Wilmington?

Trick question...there is no best pizza in Wilmington.

[Strange Brew]

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/49101/

Not defending him one way or another but the Plain Dealer article that I'm assuming the original post was referencing is a little skewed. From reading directly from Beck's site it becomes clear from the stories presented in the link above is that the People of Wilmington are looking for ways to help each other without Gov't handouts regardless of whether the City of Wilmington or the County is looking for Fed handouts. Just a little perspective for everyone.

All in all, it's nice thing to do for a struggling community. I'm sure J. Stewart will make fun of it.

[BBC 08]

All in all, it's nice thing to do for a struggling community. I'm sure J. Stewart will make fun of it.

No, he's to busy taking the Republicans to task for not voting for the health bill for 9/11 first responders.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-december-13-2010/lame-as-f--k-congress

God I love that clip.

[Strange Brew]

No, he's to busy taking the Republicans to task for not voting for the health bill for 9/11 first responders.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-december-13-2010/lame-as-f--k-congress

God I love that clip.

Here's an article that attempts to explain the Repub opinion. Not that I particularly agree with it. But according to the article the Repubs felt the Bill opened the door for fraud and waste. It does not appear that they are blocking it b/c they won't vote on anything until, as JS put it "Daddy Warbucks" gets his tax break.

Like I said, not that I agree with it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/254515/911-bonanza-trial-lawyers-editors

[madness31]

Unfortunately I have some family members that believe most of what Beck says. They watch religiously. I think the comparison of his antics to Mad Money is quite accurate. Both shows are childish and a danger to those that take them seriously. Don't get me wrong Cramer will make you money when the market goes up but I suspect you could do that on your own.

[Tu 4 MVP]

As a pretty stunch Republican, I cant stand Glenn Beck. I think hes bad for the party, as well as Sarah Palin, but thats for another thread. Does he really think the Democrats are going to destroy the country, or is it just for ratings? I would really like to know what he REALLY believes, because I dont think he even believes everything that comes out of his mouth.

[MCXU]

Love the Man.

Love his story.

It's very easy to tear people down who put themselves out there.

It's harder to stand up for them.

Go ahead and negative rep me if it makes you feel good.

Gotta go, taking my final exam for my MBA.

Wish me luck, or don't if it makes you feel god!

[BBC 08]

Love the Man.

Love his story.

It's very easy to tear people down who put themselves out there.

It's harder to stand up for them.

Go ahead and negative rep me if it makes you feel good.

Gotta go, taking my final exam for my MBA.

Wish me luck, or don't if it makes you feel god!

No, I feel god for other reasons. As for Beck, what story? The simple fact that he started out as a morning DJ in Louisville and has continued the drive-time shtick to a political program make it even worse.

[Ledgewood]

I'm pretty sure this whole Glenn Beck character is performance art.

[boozehound]

Here's an article that attempts to explain the Repub opinion. Not that I particularly agree with it. But according to the article the Repubs felt the Bill opened the door for fraud and waste. It does not appear that they are blocking it b/c they won't vote on anything until, as JS put it "Daddy Warbucks" gets his tax break.

Like I said, not that I agree with it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/254515/911-bonanza-trial-lawyers-editors

I would be more understanding of that point of view had their not been countless instances of Republican-backed legislature that was filled with waste and opportunities for fraud.

Very poor PR move, if nothing else, on the part of Republicans, though. If you want to pick a bill to make a stand on regarding government waste, this was probably the wrong one. Those guys just can't get out of their own way. It's like they are in competition with the Democrats to see who can fuck themselves worse.

[GuyFawkes38]

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/49101/

Not defending him one way or another but the Plain Dealer article that I'm assuming the original post was referencing is a little skewed. From reading directly from Beck's site it becomes clear from the stories presented in the link above is that the People of Wilmington are looking for ways to help each other without Gov't handouts regardless of whether the City of Wilmington or the County is looking for Fed handouts. Just a little perspective for everyone.

All in all, it's nice thing to do for a struggling community. I'm sure J. Stewart will make fun of it.

I think that's good.

Reporters and activists who lean left love to go to places like Wilmington and talk about reviving the area (classic example is Michigan....just watch Michael Moore's work on Flint).

It bugs me. It's much more important to attach cash to people than a place.

Yes, if you attach money to the people of Wilmington instead of the city itself, that means people will move out. But it's the right thing to do!!!

[boozehound]

I'm pretty sure this whole Glenn Beck character is performance art.

You know what? That is kind of where I am at. I don't think that there is any way he is serious.

It's kind of like that Gretchen Carlson chick on Fox and Friends. She plays the 'dumb and niave' card all the time on Fox and Friends, but it reality she is an attorney who graduated with honors from Stanford University and studied abroad at Oxford.

[boozehound]

I think that's good.

Lots of times reporters and activists who lean left go to places like Wilmington and talk about reviving the area (classic example is Michigan....just watch Michael Moore's work on Flint).

It bugs me. It's much more important to attach cash to people than a place.

Yes, if you attach money to the people of Wilmington instead of the city itself, that means people will move out. But it's the right thing to do!!!

Interesting point. You have to wonder what Wilmington's long term prospects are. A city with no jobs can't stay a city forever.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Unfortunately I have some family members that believe most of what Beck says. They watch religiously.

Funny you mentioned "religiously." As I left my office, his show must have been on. I walked out the back door towards the parking lot and passed the pizza place next to our office. The place was PACKED with people staring at the television. The look in those people's eyes and the their gaping faces at the television...I turned around and told my partner he had to come and see these folks. I told him, "they look like Jesus Christ himself is on tv right now talking to them."

It was funny...but a little eerie too.

[GuyFawkes38]

Interesting point. You have to wonder what Wilmington's long term prospects are. A city with no jobs can't stay a city forever.

It sucks. But it's important not get too sentimental about a place and put the focus on the people who need a safety net.

The decline of Detroit and Flint does benefit some people. Detroit and Flint are really, really cheap places to live now, which benefits a lot of people. Both cities have a thriving arts scene.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Interesting point. You have to wonder what Wilmington's long term prospects are. A city with no jobs can't stay a city forever.

I think, ultimately, Wilmington will end up being fine. They have a state of the art air park just sitting there. Somebody will swoop in and do something with it. I'd love to see Southwest Airlines make a hub there....seriously, who wouldn't drive to Wilmington from Dayton, Columbus or Cincinnati if they could save $300 on a flight? Wilmington is literally 1 hour from three pretty large cities. They are also finishing up a bypass (that DHL wanted them to build) that would work well if someone comes in and does something with the air park.

[GuyFawkes38]

I would love to see southwest in Wilmington. I never heard of that possibilty. That would benefit everyone in the region (probably immediately reduce prices at CVG).

[STL_XUfan]

Mods, Shouldn't this thread be merged with the "Take him out back and shoot him" thread? Seems like it would fit well.

[boozehound]

It sucks. But it's important not get too sentimental about a place and put the focus on the people who need a safety net.

The decline of Detroit and Flint does benefit some people. Detroit and Flint are really, really cheap places to live now, which benefits a lot of people. Both cities have a thriving arts scene.

I am from the Detroit area. That 'thriving arts scene' is a little overblown, IMHO. Downtown is still devastated and nobody really wants to go down there. Entire blocks are totally vacant.

The suburbs aren't fairing very well either.

Now Detroit has a good location with a lot of resources (particularly water) so I think that they will have a rennaissance at some point, but it is going to take a while.


I think, ultimately, Wilmington will end up being fine. They have a state of the art air park just sitting there. Somebody will swoop in and do something with it. I'd love to see Southwest Airlines make a hub there....seriously, who wouldn't drive to Wilmington from Dayton, Columbus or Cincinnati if they could save $300 on a flight? Wilmington is literally 1 hour from three pretty large cities. They are also finishing up a bypass (that DHL wanted them to build) that would work well if someone comes in and does something with the air park.

Interesting thoughts. I would drive to Wilmington to fly Southwest for pleasure, but probably not for business. I work downtown though. People in Mason would probably love it for both.

[Strange Brew]

It's like they are in competition with the Democrats to see who can fuck themselves worse.

Have to agree with you on that one. Be great if Congress could get more new blood in it on all sides of the arguements.

[madness31]

I've read that buildings are being torn down in Detroit and they are planting crops. It is suppose to become a mix of city and farming. Any truth to that?

[QueensbridgeMF]

great thing about no cable is not even having to surf by the cable news wackos, worst thing about no cable is no XU on TV and watching them on my computer (for free).

[Tu 4 MVP]

I've read that buildings are being torn down in Detroit and they are planting crops. It is suppose to become a mix of city and farming. Any truth to that?

Well, I know they are tearing down whole city blocks because of the population decline. There isnt enough people in the city to fill the buildings and they become magnets for drugs and crime.

[XULucho27]

I've read that buildings are being torn down in Detroit and they are planting crops. It is suppose to become a mix of city and farming. Any truth to that?

Nothing is set in stone, but there is a large effort tear down old, abandoned buildings and replace them with green areas. These will green areas will be either parks or farms, but again, nothing has been decided yet. I'm sure there might be some zoning issues as well when considering how to use the land.

Here's an old write-up in the WSJ about the first of the planned demolitions.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703950804575242433435338728.html

[boozehound]

Have to agree with you on that one. Be great if Congress could get more new blood in it on all sides of the arguements.

New blood is exactly what we need. I really think that term limits for Congress could help a lot. Hopefully you will get rid of some of the career politicians and return to a system closer to what the founding fathers envisioned in which people got into politics out of a sense of civic duty, not because they want to be a Senator until they are 90 so they can collect kick backs all day long.


Nothing is set in stone, but there is a large effort tear down old, abandoned buildings and replace them with green areas. These will green areas will be either parks or farms, but again, nothing has been decided yet. I'm sure there might be some zoning issues as well when considering how to use the land.

Here's an old write-up in the WSJ about the first of the planned demolitions.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703950804575242433435338728.html

I have heard that too. I don't think it is going to revitalize Detroit long term, but I think that it will get rid of entire parts of town that are completely abandoned, which would definitely be a good thing! It's like Moe said on a recent Simpsons about the people of Detroit "living in Mad Max times".

[X-band '01]

Good luck getting 2/3s of both the House and Senate to even consider an amendment on term limits.

[boozehound]

Good luck getting 2/3s of both the House and Senate to even consider an amendment on term limits.

Which is exactly why it will never happen. None of those guys want to derail the gravy train that they are currently on.

[DC Muskie]

The vote is the term limit. Until we as citizens figure out that we shouldn't be afraid of government, but instead very much control it, then term limits never become an issue.

[muskienick]

Can someone in Wilmington punch him for me please? That would be great. Thanks!

I'n not sure I'd support a physical assault on Beck (I'm still considering if the warm and fuzzy feeling I'd get after pummelling him would make up for the jail time away from my wife and grandkids), but a few well-placed verbal barbs in his direction would certainly be welcome to hear (or deliver).

On the other hand, I was very pleased to have spent the time he was in the Tri-State area at home, miles away from his wild and extreme right-wing harrangues.

[xuwin]

I'n not sure I'd support a physical assault on Beck (I'm still considering if the warm and fuzzy feeling I'd get after pummelling him would make up for the jail time away from my wife and grandkids), but a few well-placed verbal barbs in his direction would certainly be welcome to hear (or deliver).

On the other hand, I was very pleased to have spent the time he was in the Tri-State area at home, miles away from his wild and extreme right-wing harrangues.

Thanks for your extreme left wing opinion.

[Snipe]

Can someone in Wilmington punch him for me please? That would be great. Thanks!


I'm pretty sure I would.


I'n not sure I'd support a physical assault on Beck (I'm still considering if the warm and fuzzy feeling I'd get after pummelling him would make up for the jail time away from my wife and grandkids), but a few well-placed verbal barbs in his direction would certainly be welcome to hear (or deliver).

I guess Glenn Beck does incite violence.

I don't know what he said up in Wimington and I don't know all of his reasons for going but I do support his First Amendment rights of free speech and expression.

[BBC 08]

I'n not sure I'd support a physical assault on Beck (I'm still considering if the warm and fuzzy feeling I'd get after pummelling him would make up for the jail time away from my wife and grandkids), but a few well-placed verbal barbs in his direction would certainly be welcome to hear (or deliver).

On the other hand, I was very pleased to have spent the time he was in the Tri-State area at home, miles away from his wild and extreme right-wing harrangues.

Well then how about just a quick punch in the throat so he can stop talking?

[Snipe]

I'm sure I am going to piss somebody off, but here goes.

I have a serious question about Glenn Beck: Does anyone take him seriously?

I'm not even really talking about his politics, per se, but more about the manner in which he acts on TV. He reminds me of a political version of that Jim Kramer guy from "Mad Money".

To me, Glenn Back just comes off as an unstable lunatic that would be difficult to take seriously. I agree with some of the stuff that he says, but I think that he goes so over the top all the time that it is hard to listen to him, much less watch him.

A lot of people take him seriously. Likewise a lot of people think that he is crazy. I happen to be in both camps. Just because he is crazy doesn't mean he is not right. I was talking about my fear of the collapse of the dollar before Beck made it a major cause in his fight.

He talks about stuff like buying gold and getting a cushion of critical supplies and food. Someone really bad could happen. It is crazy talk. It is also crazy talk that I beleive in. Even if a 5% chance exists that the dollar could collapse, why take that chance? Save yourselves.

He is crazy. He is an over-the-top loon for sure. I also think he is right. I started listening to Beck maybe 6 years ago on my morning drive. I think he has a talent to entertain and I think he can be quite funny. I also like his sidekicks on the radio, they tend to keep him in line and add to the humerous banter. I would recommend anyone to try and give those guys a listen. The show starts at 9:00 AM on 550 WKRC (http://www.55krc.com/main.html). He is on right now. I just turned him on. Haven't been listenting today because the kids are off of school.

I don't watch his television show. It is on at 5:00 and that is busy time for me. I also like him better on radio.

Also to his credit, he does a lot of research and he encourages people to do the research themselves and check his facts.

[Snipe]

Well then how about just a quick punch in the throat so he can stop talking?

Why advocate violence? Do his ideas really scare you that much that you would trample the first amendment?

I have people that I don't like, say like Nancy Pelosi. I don't really want to punch those people, just expose them for the frauds that they are. I don't want them to stop speaking, because their own speech is usually what does it.

“We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it” (http://blog.heritage.org/2010/03/10/video-of-the-week-we-have-to-pass-the-bill-so-you-can-find-out-what-is-in-it/)

Now who is more dangerous to America? And entertainment star and media whore like Beck who clowns around, or the Speaker of the House? I will take Glenn Beck.

[BBC 08]

Why advocate violence? Do his ideas really scare you that much that you would trample the first amendment?

I have people that I don't like, say like Nancy Pelosi. I don't really want to punch those people, just expose them for the frauds that they are. I don't want them to stop speaking, because their own speech is usually what does it.

“We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it” (http://blog.heritage.org/2010/03/10/video-of-the-week-we-have-to-pass-the-bill-so-you-can-find-out-what-is-in-it/)

Now who is more dangerous to America? And entertainment star and media whore like Beck who clowns around, or the Speaker of the House? I will take Glenn Beck.

I'm being more tongue in cheek than anything but ok, I can see where you are coming from.

As for who is worse, I say Beck is. Mainly because he can rally the masses and get them to believe/do what he wants. Pelosi on the other hand is no longer going to be Speaker of the House and was pretty ineffective while she was. So again, Beck is worse.

[Snipe]

Where IS Li'l Glen in this thread? Snipe followed him all the way to DC, must be feeding the local economy in Clinton County today.

Beck's recent rants, loaded anti-semetic buzz words and phrases are but the tip of a very disturbing determination to turn us into fearful, warring tribes.

But enough of the trivial: where IS the best pizza in Wilmington?

My wife actually wanted to go to DC. It was important to her. We took the kids too. It was a family friendly environment. He was one of many speakers that day, and we didn't listen to any of them. We just wanted to be there. It was a show of force. To me it wasn't about Beck, it was about being with the people there and showing up in numbers.

I have been to many Tea Party events and they aren't the way that people describe them in the media. It isn't some orgy of right wing racism. People are polite and they pick up after themselves. The National Mall was spotless after everyone had left. Spotless. Those people respect America and the Mall to them is somewhat of a sacred place on American soil. The people at that Tea Party rallies are the type of Americans that get out in front of the cart and pull. This country needs those people and should listen to them. The country is piling too much weight on the cart, and they can feel it. They would like to lighten the load in the cart by having some people get out and help them pull.

It is a simple thing.

On another note, you apparently listen or watch Beck more than I do. What is this anti-semtic business? Could you make a case for me?

[MCXU]

Funny you mentioned "religiously." As I left my office, his show must have been on. I walked out the back door towards the parking lot and passed the pizza place next to our office. The place was PACKED with people staring at the television. The look in those people's eyes and the their gaping faces at the television...I turned around and told my partner he had to come and see these folks. I told him, "they look like Jesus Christ himself is on tv right now talking to them."

It was funny...but a little eerie too.

Did they get tingly feelings running up their thigh when he spoke?
Did they get up and chant O-BAM-A, O-BAM-A, I mean Glenn, Glenn?
Where they wearing T-shirts with his image on them?
Did they sell votive candles with Obama I mean Glenn on them?
Did they organize children to sing songs about him?

Cuz you know, that would tend to be a little eerie.

[Snipe]

I'm being more tongue in cheek than anything but ok, I can see where you are coming from.

As for who is worse, I say Beck is. Mainly because he can rally the masses and get them to believe/do what he wants. Pelosi on the other hand is no longer going to be Speaker of the House and was pretty ineffective while she was. So again, Beck is worse.

What has he gotten "the masses" to do that you don't agree with? As far as getting people to believe, he does do his own research and he encourages people to check his facts constantly.

He is the closest thing this country has to a libertarian populist. Being a libertarian I tend to agree with many of the things that he says. Some libertarians think he is bad for the movement. That would be true if they actually had a movement. He does give a broad presentation of some libertarian principles to a mass audience. I think it is a good thing anytime that libertarian principles are advanced and I support Beck.

[Snipe]

Did they get tingly feelings running up their thigh when he spoke?
Did they get up and chant O-BAM-A, O-BAM-A, I mean Glenn, Glenn?
Where they wearing T-shirts with his image on them?
Did they sell votive candles with Obama I mean Glenn on them?
Did they organize children to sing songs about him?

Cuz you know, that would tend to be a little eerie.

That makes me want to link to perhaps my greatest thread of all time, at least in my humble opinion.

Barack H. Obama wins his First Nobel Peace Prize (http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11714&highlight=Nobel+Prize)

We are the change that we seek.
We are the ones that we have been waiting for.

I think it is funny when I try to say that out loud. It is hard to say with a straight face. Try it sometime. Yet people bought that crap hook, line and sinker. And the mainstream media went along and never questioned. And people say Beck is dangerous.

[xu2006]

I think Beck's radio show is much better than his TV show (although I've only seen the TV show a few times).

He seems less "crazy" on the radio show.

[Snipe]

Yes, people do. Say something often enough, no matter how bizarre, and eventually people start to believe it. He makes a living off that idea.

Particulars? Can you think of something that is obviously false that Beck keeps repeating over and over? Did this change public perceptions? What do Beck followers now believe that they didn't before if only for his tireless repeating of a mantra? I am curious as to what you are talking about.

[Snipe]

I think Beck's radio show is much better than his TV show (although I've only seen the TV show a few times).

He seems less "crazy" on the radio show.

I would agree with that. I am a Beck radio fan.

His sidekicks keep him in line and put him in place when he starts going off the deep end. I love the way that they mock him. They also add a good bit of the humor with the banter. When it is just Beck that element is lost. The radio is a far superior product in my opinion.

[Snipe]

As a pretty stunch Republican, I cant stand Glenn Beck. I think hes bad for the party, as well as Sarah Palin, but thats for another thread. Does he really think the Democrats are going to destroy the country, or is it just for ratings? I would really like to know what he REALLY believes, because I dont think he even believes everything that comes out of his mouth.

Glenn Beck is not a Republican. I don't think a non-Republican is bad for the Republican party. You know who I think is bad for the Republican party? Actual Republicans like George W. Bush and Bob Taft.

I do think that he believes what he says. He is geniune in my opinion. He is also in the entertainment business, so he is a showman like everyone else. Even mainstream TV newcasts sell commercials. They have to get ratings and make money. They all have to sell something. It affects what they cover and how they cover it. They know their ratings, their audience, the demographics of the people they are trying to reach, and they do what they can to get market share.

As for Democrats destroying the country, I think the far left has already done that. See the 1960s for reference. Call them the New Left, the Progressives, the Hard Left or just Liberals. They change their names often enough but the song remains the same. Not all Democrats are part of that movement.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Glen Beck is a Mormon. I wonder if he wears magic underpants?

[Snipe]

Glen Beck is a media institution all to himself. He is on the radio, owns multiple websites, publishes a magazine, has a TV show and he has authored several best selling books (6 #1 NYTimes bestsellers).

He made 32 million dollars last year and only 2 million of that came from Fox News. People have tried to boycott him and shut him down. They would like to silence him.

His latest book is: Broke: The Plan to Restore Our Trust, Truth and Treasure (http://www.amazon.com/Broke-Restore-Trust-Truth-Treasure/dp/1439187193)

Here is the product description posted on Amazon.com


THE FACTS.

THE FUTURE.

THE FIGHT TO FIX AMERICA—

BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.

In the words of Harvard historian Niall Ferguson, the United States is “an empire on the edge of chaos.” Why? Glenn Beck thinks the answer is pretty simple: Because we’ve turned our backs on the Constitution.

Yes, our country is financially broke, but that’s just a side effect of our broken spirit, our broken faith in government, the broken promises by our leaders, and a broken political system that has centralized power at the expense of individual rights.

There is a lot of work ahead, but we can’t move forward until we first understand how we got here. Starting with the American Revolution, Glenn takes readers on an express train through 234 years of history, culminating with the Great Recession and the bipartisan recklessness of Presidents Bush and Obama. It’s the history lesson we all wished we’d had in school. (Did you know, for example, that FDR once made a key New Deal policy decision based on his lucky number?)

Along the way, you’ll see how everything you thought you knew about the political parties is a lie, how Democrats and Republicans alike used to fight for minimum government and maximum freedom, and how both parties have been taken over by a cancer called “progressivism.” By the end, you’ll understand why no president, no congress and no court can fix this problem alone. Looking toward them for answers is like looking toward the ocean for drinking water— it looks promising, but the end result is catastrophic.

After revealing the trail of lies that brought us here, Broke exposes the truth about what we’re really facing. Most people have seen pieces of the puzzle, but very few have ever seen the whole picture—and for very good reason: Our leaders have done everything in their power to hide it. If Americans understood how dire things really are, they would be demanding radical reform right now. Despite the rhetoric, that’s not the kind of change our politicians really believe in.

Finally, Broke provides the hope that comes with knowing the truth. Once you see what we’re really up against, it’s much easier to develop a realistic plan. To fix ourselves financially, Glenn argues, we have to fix ourselves first. That means some serious introspection and, ultimately, a series of actions that will unite all Americans around the concept of shared sacrifice. After all, this generation may not be asked to storm beaches, but we are being asked to do something just as critical to preserving freedom.

Packed with great stories from history, chalkboard-style teachable moments, custom illustrations, and Glenn Beck’s trademark combination of entertainment and enlightenment, Broke makes the case that when you’re traveling in the wrong direction, slight course corrections won’t cut it—you need to take drastic action. Through a return to individual rights, an uncompromising adherence to the Constitution, and a complete rethinking about the role of government in a free society, Glenn exposes the idea of “transformation” for the progressive smokescreen that it is, and instead builds a compelling case that restoration is the only way forward.


About the Author
Glenn Beck, the nationally syndicated radio and Fox News television show host, is the author of six #1 New York Times bestsellers: An Inconvenient Book, The Christmas Sweater, Glenn Beck’s Common Sense, Arguing with Idiots, the children’s version of The Christmas Sweater, and The Overton Window. America’s March to Socialism is available now from Simon & Schuster Audio or downloadable from Simon & Schuster Online. He is also the author of The Real America and publisher of Fusion magazine. Visit www.glennbeck.com.

Sounds really crazy!

His new website is The Blaze (http://www.theblaze.com/). What a lunatic!

[bobbiemcgee]

Particulars? Can you think of something that is obviously false that Beck keeps repeating over and over? Did this change public perceptions? What do Beck followers now believe that they didn't before if only for his tireless repeating of a mantra? I am curious as to what you are talking about.


Well, he says there are also liberal talk shows on Fox. Name one. Also 10% of all Muslims are terrorists. That would be a 120 million terrorists.

He makes his money fear mongering. Good business.

[danaandvictory]

He is geniune in my opinion.

Wow.

[DC Muskie]

I really don't listen to people who couldn't graduate from college. Especially when it comes to how they think the country should be run.

I think this country is great that someone like Glenn Beck can over come drugs, alcohol abuse, friendlessness, divorce to become such a successful personality.

He has a voice for radio. He's done nothing but radio. But he's an entertainer. And people will come from all over to be entertained. Which is fantastic. More power to him.

But to ever take him or what he says seriously? Please. Graduate from college.

[Snipe]

Wow.

I also said he is a showman and that I think he is crazy. He has likened himself to a rodeo clown. I do believe that he believes in the main points of what he tries to get across.

Take the book description of his latest book above. Do I think he really believes that stuff? Absolutely I do.

Guess what, I believe most of that stuff too.

Wow!

[Snipe]

I really don't listen to people who couldn't graduate from college.

Me neither.

George Washington
Andrew Jackson
Martin Van Buren
Zachary Taylor
Millard Fillmore
Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Johnson
Grover Cleveland
Harry S Truman

Can anyone tell me what the "S" in Harry S Truman stands for?

I wonder what makes this group so similar?

Robert H. Jackson served on the Supreme Court until 1954. Never went to college.

Ever heard of Bill Gates & Paul Allen? Microsoft? Don't listen to a word he says. The guy who created Facebook and the guy who created MySpace are also on that list. Both co-founders of Google. Our world has been fundamentally transformed by people who never went to college.

Check out:

The College Dropouts Hall of Fame (http://www.collegedropoutshalloffame.com/index.htm)

Too many to list, and Glenn Beck doesn't even make the list. I guess making 32 million a year from your own media conglomerate and writing six NYTimes #1 best sellers isn't enough to make that list. The list of accomplishment on that site is quite something.

But hey, you went to college.

[DC Muskie]

Do you think Bill Gate couldn't graduate? Or Paul Allen?

I mean really are you comparing Glen Beck to the guys who went to Stanford and Harvard.

Yeah, I don't listen to guys who couldn't graduate from college and didn't contribute somehow to society.

I like how you mentioned George Washington. That's pretty awesome. Got me on that point. Glen Beck is just like George Washington. Brilliant.

Seriously you admit to agreeing with a self described rodeo clown. You drove all the way to DC to make a point that you were there. Awesome.

[DC Muskie]

I guess making 32 million a year from your own media conglomerate and writing six NYTimes #1 best sellers isn't enough to make that list. The list of accomplishment on that site is quite something.

Hey, there's a lot of stupid people in the world. You wake up and see one every morning in the mirror. What can I tell ya?

He's calls himself a rodeo clown. God Bless America. Kathy Griffin and Glen Beck can accomplish great things!

[DC Muskie]

You know what, Kathy Griffin didn't go to college either! She's just like Bill Gates!

I really should have stopped going to college. What a waste of time. I could have founded some internet company. Even though I had no idea back in the early 90's what the internet was.

What I should have done, is listened more to people who couldn't pay for college, because they were too busy blowing their money on blow. And managed to be so good at "Justify How I feel" entertainment, where people who DID go to college, pay for it, and graduate, would listen to me pontificate about whatever subject I can make myself an expert in.

I can throw around ideas like, "That's not what the Founding Fathers wanted," because hey look, they are dead, so I can't be wrong!

I feel so stupid for having gone to college. Our world is obviously shaped by guys who actually didn't.

[blobfan]

... Just because he is crazy doesn't mean he is not right...

...He talks about stuff like buying gold and getting a cushion of critical supplies and food...

...Also to his credit, he does a lot of research and he encourages people to do the research themselves and check his facts.


Particulars? Can you think of something that is obviously false that Beck keeps repeating over and over? Did this change public perceptions? What do Beck followers now believe that they didn't before if only for his tireless repeating of a mantra? I am curious as to what you are talking about.


I also said he is a showman and that I think he is crazy. He has likened himself to a rodeo clown. I do believe that he believes in the main points of what he tries to get across...

Snipe, I don't follow Glen Beck. I admit that most of what I see are short clips that highlight some of his goofier quotes. Reading your posts I find it odd that you like him so much, but I guess it boils down to sincerity. You can forgive some BS if you think someone sincerely means well. In this case, I don't.

I have two basic objections to him:

1) His schtick is so over the top that he has become a lightening-rod for anti-conservative bias and an excuse for people who might otherwise be thinking liberals to ignore anything and everything conservatives and libertarians have to say. As soon as a conservative says anything that Beck might have said, they are discounted as a conservative zombie follower of Beck and his ilk. If he is truly part of a conservative or libertarian movement, he is doing it a disservice by being caught saying many of the things he does. He works in hyberbole not fact. He promotes fear not discussion. He furthers the morrass that has paralyzed our government for years by speaking at his opposition rather than with it.

2) I don't believe he is sincere at all. I think he is an opportunist, saw his chance to be the next Limbaugh, and took it. Why do I believe this? He advocates buying gold. Isn't he a paid spokesperson for one of those gold-for-cash companies? He advocates end-of-world preparedness. Isn't he a spokesperson for a company that sells survival supplies? I have a lot of trouble believing someone is sincere in their advocacy when they are making money off of it. Same problem I have with Smitherman and his ilk. They don't do a thing unless it lines their pockets, but they do it under the guise of advocacy. It's a lie.

The other reason I doubt his sincerity--and I wish I had a link for you--is recently he was asked if he feared getting in trouble like Juan Williams and others for saying extremist things on his shows. He said he wasn't because when he took the job he talked to the head of Fox News and was given carte blanche to be as outrageous as he wants to be. The head said he would not require accuracy or truth or research from Beck. Beck does research and asks people to call him on it? I've never heard about him responding directly to any criticism people make about the facts behind his BS.

That's his stated aim: to be outrageous. I think he's as credible as the cast of Jersey Shore. He is doing as much for the image of Libertarians/Conservatives as the orange idiots do for the State of New Jersey.

[danaandvictory]

I also said he is a showman and that I think he is crazy. He has likened himself to a rodeo clown. I do believe that he believes in the main points of what he tries to get across.

I think he's a performance artist and also is more than a little bit disconnected from reality. But what I get is second-hand, so maybe when he's ranting about Obama/Illuminati conspiracies and drawing big arrows on a blackboard and crying, he's actually making trenchant points about the American experience. I don't know.

[DC Muskie]

Check out:

The College Dropouts Hall of Fame (http://www.collegedropoutshalloffame.com/index.htm)

I can't believe Glen Beck didn't make this list. Troy Aikman made this list and he even went back and got his degree.

Now Jennifer Aniston is on this list. I would definitely listen to her. About whatever she wanted to talk about. Especially if it involved talking about me. I take back what I said before, I would listen to this person.

Teddy Roosevelt is on this list. However he ended up graduating from Harvard, although he is a law school drop out!

Boy George is on this list. Another rodeo clown! Wow, I am missing out.

[xuwin]

I really don't listen to people who couldn't graduate from college. Especially when it comes to how they think the country should be run.

I think this country is great that someone like Glenn Beck can over come drugs, alcohol abuse, friendlessness, divorce to become such a successful personality.

He has a voice for radio. He's done nothing but radio. But he's an entertainer. And people will come from all over to be entertained. Which is fantastic. More power to him.

But to ever take him or what he says seriously? Please. Graduate from college.

A lot of the most successful people in the world didn't graduate from college. That's the height of snobbery to think you have to be a college graduate to be informed. Your degree sure didn't prevent your ignorance.

[DC Muskie]

A lot of the most successful people in the world didn't graduate from college. That's the height of snobbery to think you have to be a college graduate to be informed. Your degree sure didn't prevent your ignorance.

Sorry, let me rephrase.

I don't listen to political commentators who didn't go to college.

Sorry, I didn't realize I was including Millard Fillmore. Got to make sure I include him.

[xuwin]

Sorry, let me rephrase.

I don't listen to political commentators who didn't go to college.

Sorry, I didn't realize I was including Millard Fillmore. Got to make sure I include him.

Which political commentators do you listen to? Keith Olbermann?

[DC Muskie]

Which political commentators do you listen to? Keith Olbermann?

None. I live in DC. We are all stacked up with crazy here thanks.

[xuwin]

None. I live in DC. We are all stacked up with crazy here thanks.

Where do you get your vast knowledge then?

[DC Muskie]

Where do you get your vast knowledge then?

Snipe.

[xuwin]

Snipe.

Good source. Does he have his degree or is he a moron?

[DC Muskie]

Good source. Does he have his degree or is he a moron?

I think both actually.

[Snipe]

Snipe, I don't follow Glen Beck. I admit that most of what I see are short clips that highlight some of his goofier quotes. Reading your posts I find it odd that you like him so much, but I guess it boils down to sincerity. You can forgive some BS if you think someone sincerely means well. In this case, I don't.

I have two basic objections to him:

1) His schtick is so over the top that he has become a lightening-rod for anti-conservative bias and an excuse for people who might otherwise be thinking liberals to ignore anything and everything conservatives and libertarians have to say. As soon as a conservative says anything that Beck might have said, they are discounted as a conservative zombie follower of Beck and his ilk. If he is truly part of a conservative or libertarian movement, he is doing it a disservice by being caught saying many of the things he does. He works in hyberbole not fact. He promotes fear not discussion. He furthers the morrass that has paralyzed our government for years by speaking at his opposition rather than with it.

2) I don't believe he is sincere at all. I think he is an opportunist, saw his chance to be the next Limbaugh, and took it. Why do I believe this? He advocates buying gold. Isn't he a paid spokesperson for one of those gold-for-cash companies? He advocates end-of-world preparedness. Isn't he a spokesperson for a company that sells survival supplies? I have a lot of trouble believing someone is sincere in their advocacy when they are making money off of it. Same problem I have with Smitherman and his ilk. They don't do a thing unless it lines their pockets, but they do it under the guise of advocacy. It's a lie.

The other reason I doubt his sincerity--and I wish I had a link for you--is recently he was asked if he feared getting in trouble like Juan Williams and others for saying extremist things on his shows. He said he wasn't because when he took the job he talked to the head of Fox News and was given carte blanche to be as outrageous as he wants to be. The head said he would not require accuracy or truth or research from Beck. Beck does research and asks people to call him on it? I've never heard about him responding directly to any criticism people make about the facts behind his BS.

That's his stated aim: to be outrageous. I think he's as credible as the cast of Jersey Shore. He is doing as much for the image of Libertarians/Conservatives as the orange idiots do for the State of New Jersey.

Any conservative will become a lightening rod for anti-conservative bias. Name me an outspoken conservative who is not...Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity etc. The playbook of the left is to attack the messenger. Make it personal, isolate them and tear them apart. Standard "Rules for Radicals" from Saul Alinski.

You don't like his style. I don't always like his style. I don't even watch his TV show and I prefer his radio gig. The TV show can be a bit much. But lets not lose the style over substance debate. I think he makes good points.

As for Gold being one of his sponsors, the price of Gold has gone up and people and government are buying gold. The Chinese are buying gold. I don't think they are all listening to Beck.

I never used to like Rush Limbaugh. I had heard so many attacks on him I just assumed he gave a bad name to conservatives and was hurting the cause. Then I listened to him. Rush Limbaugh is a brilliant man and a funny guy, at least if you aren't a leftist. I largely agree with Rush Limbaugh too. Rush has also been attacked. He is also a showman of sorts. This is the entertainment business. This is how they make their money. I think that Rush believes the main points of his on-air creed as well.

Devils advocate ~ Let's assume for the sake of argument that both Rush and Glenn Beck don't agree with anything that they say on air. I would still agree with their main points. What if Glenn Beck is just an opportunist Libertarian and not a "real" one. Should that matter to me. If we have a populist libertarian preaching small government and individual liberty to millions of people I would prefer that to not having that, even if he doesn't believe it. That is because I believe in it. I think it is the right message. Don't kill the messenger.

[madness31]

Yes Beck does tell his followers to fact check him but do you really think the people that watch his show would take the time or even know how to fact check him?

If anything they would check the reading suggestions he provides. I can't recall which book he touts on a regular basis but I read an article on how factually incorrect the book is. It is possible that the article was a misrepresentation of the book but knowing what I know about the type of claims Beck makes I'll trust the article over him.

As a libertarian, Beck is a nightmare for the party. If it takes dishonesty and incorrect recollection of history to get people to vote Libertarian than I'd rather not get the votes.

He is right about gold and about the dangers of government spending. He is also correct to be concerned about the elimination of freedoms but the Republicans are doing as much or more than the Democrats to make that a reality. Wasn't Sarah Palin calling for special forces to take out the Wikileaks founder? Wasn't Bush the one that started the wire taps and detained people without trial? Weren't the Republicans the ones trying to stop a Muslim temple from being several blocks away from NYC? When was the last time Republicans argued for the legalization of drugs? How about the push to make abortions illegal? Even the freedom to cross borders without a passport was taken away by Bush.

Until Beck attacks Republicans with the same animosity he does Obama and the Democrats he is a Republican puppet and opportunist. The religious right is every bit as dangerous as anyone on the left. I suspect he will never attack the religious right because that is likely his base.

[BBC 08]

Snipe, what is your take on Beck's lie regarding 10% of all Muslims are terrorists?

[danaandvictory]

Snipe, what is your take on Beck's lie regarding 10% of all Muslims are terrorists?

Over/under on words in Snipe's reply: 1,000, at least 100 of which are out-of-context quotes in BOLD FACE and ending with some sort of conclusion blaming all social ills on a combination of atheists, liberals, and minorities.

Much like driving across Utah, the end points aren't that interesting but the journey is freaking spectacular.

[DC Muskie]

Snipe, what is your take on Beck's lie regarding 10% of all Muslims are terrorists?

You know how Beck could have understood statistics better? By going to college.

Just sayin.

[blobfan]

...Devils advocate ~ Let's assume for the sake of argument that both Rush and Glenn Beck don't agree with anything that they say on air. I would still agree with their main points. What if Glenn Beck is just an opportunist Libertarian and not a "real" one. Should that matter to me. If we have a populist libertarian preaching small government and individual liberty to millions of people I would prefer that to not having that, even if he doesn't believe it. That is because I believe in it. I think it is the right message. Don't kill the messenger.

I think the rule is don't kill the messenger just because you don't like the message. I don't think the reverse works. A good message from an insincere messenger damages the message. It's like Bristol Palin and The Situation advocationg abstinence and safe sex. It's hypocritical and makes it easier to dismiss the message.

[Snipe]

Snipe, what is your take on Beck's lie regarding 10% of all Muslims are terrorists?

Hadn't heard the actual quote. Here is the response from Glennbeck.com (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/?p=1167)


Let’s lay this out as quickly as possible. Glenn says this on the radio:


BECK: What is the number of Islamic terrorists? One percent? I think it’s closer to 10 percent, but the rest of the PC world will tell you ‘oh no, it’s minuscule.’ Okay, well, let’s take you at your one percent. Look at the havoc of one percent of Muslims causing on the rest of the world!

As usual, many arguments mainly come down to a definition of terms:


To show how ridiculously pathetic the hype on this manufactured nonsense is—let’s start with definitions. What is a terrorist? From dictionary.com, definition number one:


a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.

Okay, now what is terrorism? Would you say that “attacks on civilians in the US” is an acceptable definition? Seems reasonable in this context, doesn’t it?

Okey dokey—here are the facts. All of this is according to a scientific poll of people in Muslim nations done by the respected group World Public Opinion.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/attacks-on-civilians.png

More commentary at the link above, but here are some more research of the poll results that back up his statement.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/al-qaeda-support.png

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/civilians-working-in-islamic-countries.png

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/bin-laden.png

I think he has an argument.

[Snipe]

More polling research from the same link:

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/groups-that-attack.png

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/troops-in-gulf.png

So Glenn Beck backed it up. You can choose to agree or disagree. You can be skeptical of the source. You can make hay of how Dictionary.com defines things. Words have a shared meaning, that is how we can use them, but words also mean different things to different people. Arguments often come down to how we define terms, as this one just did.

Does that make Glenn Beck wrong?

Also interesting is polling of American Muslims by the Pew Research Center (http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf).

40% of American Muslims thought that 9/11 was done by Arabs. The remaining 60%?

8% believed that suicide bombing can be justified.

5% had a favorable view of Al Qaeda, and 10% had a somewhat unfavorable view of AQ.

[Snipe]

Over/under on words in Snipe's reply: 1,000, at least 100 of which are out-of-context quotes in BOLD FACE and ending with some sort of conclusion blaming all social ills on a combination of atheists, liberals, and minorities.

Much like driving across Utah, the end points aren't that interesting but the journey is freaking spectacular.

I hope I didn't disappoint.

[BBC 08]

Snipe, have you seen this video yet?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/12/10/gps.witw.glenn.beck.cnn

Just giving you a different look on things.

[xuwin]

Snipe, what is your take on Beck's lie regarding 10% of all Muslims are terrorists?

Please provide me with some evidence that he said that.

[MCXU]

Snipe, what is your take on Beck's lie regarding 10% of all Muslims are terrorists?

I guess the lesson here boys and girls is that the next time Fareed Zakaria or some other smart person on CNN with a college degree tells me that a conservative crazy person has told a lie we probably shouldn't get all that worked up about it.

Why you say?

Well first off what they just told you to be outraged about is probably factually and statistically correct (see Snipes reply).

Secondly, what you are hearing was probably cherry picked (see Stu's Blog toward the bottom).

By finally and most importantly, just wait until next week, that will give smart people like Fareed Zakaria (who I am sure owns a college degree) more time to become outraged over something else Glenn has said while completely disregarding the point of what Glenn just said.

Then this information can be passed along to mindless drones on the HuffPO, CNN (who hire people with college degrees), MSNBC (who no one watches), ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR. From there the information can be passed along to the American People who can take it as fact.

We will then walk around acting shocked at what "Glenn just said", while completely ignoring that this has continually happened in the past and every time it was proven incorrect.

At this point we will start the cycle over again.

Fareed is so smart. I wish I were Fareed. Then I could hang out with other people with degrees and we could talk about our degrees and how smart we we are.

Fareed (insert Dream Weaver song playing in background).... You and your degree complete me.

[xuwin]

I think the rule is don't kill the messenger just because you don't like the message. I don't think the reverse works. A good message from an insincere messenger damages the message. It's like Bristol Palin and The Situation advocationg abstinence and safe sex. It's hypocritical and makes it easier to dismiss the message.

How is she a hypocrite for admitting that what she did was a mistake and warning others not to make the same mistake. That's a lot more honest than Obama lying about every promise that he made to get elected and not following through on anything. At least she admits her mistake.

[Snipe]

I think the rule is don't kill the messenger just because you don't like the message. I don't think the reverse works.

Ha! I did botch that one.

Master of the metaphor!

[CinciX12]

How is she a hypocrite for admitting that what she did was a mistake and warning others not to make the same mistake. That's a lot more honest than Obama lying about every promise that he made to get elected and not following through on anything. At least she admits her mistake.

Her mom was just disappointed she didn't have another special needs child to whore out during her presidential campaign.

The vibe Bristol gives off is like she pretends she doesn't have a kid. Everyone's opinion is going to differ on it. I don't think that Bristol should suffer just because her parent is completely insane, however.

[MCXU]

How is she a hypocrite for admitting that what she did was a mistake and warning others not to make the same mistake. That's a lot more honest than Obama lying about every promise that he made to get elected and not following through on anything. At least she admits her mistake.

WUWIN my friend, you don't just don't get it. Everything Sarah Palin Must be destroyed.

What in the name of Fareek Zakaria and his college degree don't you get about that.

The left would rather blow up the entire state of Alaska than risk living in a world with Sarah Palin.

If you put a Palin bumper sticker on a Polar Bear Fareed Zakaria would shoot the polar bear, then quarter it and wrap the meat in his college degree.

[DC Muskie]

How is she a hypocrite for admitting that what she did was a mistake and warning others not to make the same mistake. That's a lot more honest than Obama lying about every promise that he made to get elected and not following through on anything. At least she admits her mistake.

First off I can't believe you are comparing an 18 year old who got knocked up to the president of the United States.

Second all what mistake did she admit? She admitted it was a mistake taking back the wanna be porn star. I don't think she ever admitted screwing him was a mistake.

For the record I would screw her. I wouldn't lie about it either.

[xuwin]

Her mom was just disappointed she didn't have another special needs child to whore out during her presidential campaign.

The vibe Bristol gives off is like she pretends she doesn't have a kid. Everyone's opinion is going to differ on it. I don't think that Bristol should suffer just because her parent is completely insane, however.

I think people like you are the ones who are insane for your constant personal attacks on people concerning their private family life. Do you think Obama didn't whore his wife and kids out during the presidential campaign to use your words? Do you think Sarah Palin intentionally had a special needs child to get elected. What would you libs have said if Sarah tried to hide the fact that she had a special needs child.

[Snipe]

Snipe, have you seen this video yet?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/12/10/gps.witw.glenn.beck.cnn

Just giving you a different look on things.

That is hilarious. He doesn't like the common definition of terrorist from Dictionary.com. He has his own definition of the word which is much smaller. The whole argument is about how we define terms. And then in the end he calls Glen Beck a terrorist!

I can't stand Fareed Z. He really does think he is the smartest guy in the room in any room. If you watch him enough you will notice that he likes to quote himself. If you are a serious journalist or at least if you pretend to be one quoting yourself to remind people how brilliant you are is really something. He does the same thing also in that clip. I don't watch him much but he seems to do it every time I do.

[DC Muskie]

Sarah Palin is the Barack Obama of ugly people.

Seriously, have you seen the heifers that come out to listen her and stand in line to read her thoughts on Hilary Clinton and JFK?

I've seen prettier people walking out a Jenny Craig meeting.

Believe me, I've been waiting outside of those things.

[BBC 08]

Please provide me with some evidence that he said that.

See video I posted.

[MCXU]

That is hilarious. He doesn't like the common definition of terrorist from Dictionary.com. He has his own definition of the word which is much smaller. The whole argument is about how we define terms. And then in the end he calls Glen Beck a terrorist!

I can't stand Fareed Z. He really does think he is the smartest guy in the room in any room. If you watch him enough you will notice that he likes to quote himself. If you are a serious journalist or at least if you pretend to be one quoting yourself to remind people how brilliant you are is really something. He does the same thing also in that clip. I don't watch him much but he seems to do it every time I do.

You take that back!

You take that back right now!

How dare you challenge the integrity of the great Fareek Zakaria and his college degree while he is not here to defend himself!

[Snipe]

Her mom was just disappointed she didn't have another special needs child to whore out during her presidential campaign.

The vibe Bristol gives off is like she pretends she doesn't have a kid. Everyone's opinion is going to differ on it. I don't think that Bristol should suffer just because her parent is completely insane, however.

Stay classy!

Whew, that is some serious PDS.

[DC Muskie]

If you watch him enough you will notice that he likes to quote himself.

You know who else quotes himself, or at least references the stuff he makes up in other books?

Jerome Corsi.

Who I know is a favorite of yours. Unfit for Command and The Obama Nation. Oh and he thinks 9/11 was a government conspiracy.

He's got a college degree and he's from Ohio. So he is like Super Duper smart.

[Snipe]

Sarah Palin is the Barack Obama of ugly people.

Seriously, have you seen the heifers that come out to listen her and stand in line to read her thoughts on Hilary Clinton and JFK?

I've seen prettier people walking out a Jenny Craig meeting.

Believe me, I've been waiting outside of those things.


http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/images/2010/1/scott-baio-michelle-obama-picture.jpg

He wakes up to that every morning.

[MCXU]

You know who else quotes himself, or at least references the stuff he makes up in other books?

Jerome Corsi.

Who I know is a favorite of yours. Unfit for Command and The Obama Nation. Oh and he thinks 9/11 was a government conspiracy.

He's got a college degree and he's from Ohio. So he is like Super Duper smart.

Yeah, but that definition would mean that people who graduated from Dayton would be Super Duper smart, so where going to need to add some qualifiers to that.

Perhaps we should consult Fareed Zakaria.

[xuwin]

Sarah Palin is the Barack Obama of ugly people.

Seriously, have you seen the heifers that come out to listen her and stand in line to read her thoughts on Hilary Clinton and JFK?

I've seen prettier people walking out a Jenny Craig meeting.

Believe me, I've been waiting outside of those things.

I'm not sure what peoples looks have to do with anything. I'm sure all of the people that come out to see and hear Obama and Pelosi give their views on the evil rich are beauties. Come to think of it i've actually seen some of them.

[DC Muskie]

I really enjoy reading people who claim they are not "liberals" and are more "conservative" go out of their way to protect people who are nothing like them.

Meaning people go out of their way to protect Sarah Palin, who let's admit, is pretty hot. I mean they are not making Madeline Albright porn parodies.

And of course rich people. So funny reading and watching people who really don't have money, defend people who have money, making sure they keep their money. Like they need your poor ass help.

In the end however, these defenders will never become pretty or rich.

[DC Muskie]

I'm not sure what peoples looks have to do with anything. I'm sure all of the people that come out to see and hear Obama and Pelosi give their views on the evil rich are beauties. Come to think of it i've actually seen some of them.

I'm merely pointing out that the ugly factor goes up about 400% when the Caribou Queen comes out to talk about what this country was like when she was...er...actually when this country was founded was like. I love those speeches.

[xuwin]

WUWIN my friend, you don't just don't get it. Everything Sarah Palin Must be destroyed.

What in the name of Fareek Zakaria and his college degree don't you get about that.

The left would rather blow up the entire state of Alaska than risk living in a world with Sarah Palin.

If you put a Palin bumper sticker on a Polar Bear Fareed Zakaria would shoot the polar bear, then quarter it and wrap the meat in his college degree.

I think you're right. If she was such a non threat they wouldn't obsess about her constantly. How could somebody so stupid get into their heads so much?

[DC Muskie]

Yeah, but that definition would mean that people who graduated from Dayton would be Super Duper smart, so where going to need to add some qualifiers to that.

Perhaps we should consult Fareed Zakaria.

I think those people would technically be Super Duper Uper Smart.

Let' skip Fareed and just consult his degree.

[MCXU]

I really enjoy reading people who claim they are not "liberals" and are more "conservative" go out of their way to protect people who are nothing like them.

Meaning people go out of their way to protect Sarah Palin, who let's admit, is pretty hot. I mean they are not making Madeline Albright porn parodies.

And of course rich people. So funny reading and watching people who really don't have money, defend people who have money, making sure they keep their money. Like they need your poor ass help.

In the end however, these defenders will never become pretty or rich.

I don't have a desire to be pretty or rich.

I just desire to rule myself and make my own decisions.

I don't look out for myself, I just believe in myself.

I do not go to bed or wake up angry because others are richer or better looking then me.

I go to bed and wake up thinking about Fareed Zakaria and his college degree.

[DC Muskie]

I think you're right. If she was such a non threat they wouldn't obsess about her constantly. How could somebody so stupid get into their heads so much?

BECAUSE SHE IS HOT!!!!!

It's really not that hard to figure out.

If she looked like say, any random woman from Alaska, she would not be where she is.

[Snipe]

You know who else quotes himself, or at least references the stuff he makes up in other books?

Jerome Corsi.

Who I know is a favorite of yours. Unfit for Command and The Obama Nation. Oh and he thinks 9/11 was a government conspiracy.

He's got a college degree and he's from Ohio. So he is like Super Duper smart.

Corsi is not a favorite of mine. I don't follow him. I did not read Unfit for Command. I read a good portion of The Obama Nation and was not impressed.

Instead at the time I would have recommended "The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate" (http://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Barack-Obama-Unexamined/dp/1596985666) by David Freddoso.

It is a much better book and much more reasonable. Corsi would point to Obama's radical ties and say this proves he is a radical. Freddoso would point to Obama's radical ties and say this guy has really poor judgment. In hindsight they both might have been on to something, but Freddoso wrote a better book.

[MCXU]

I think you're right. If she was such a non threat they wouldn't obsess about her constantly. How could somebody so stupid get into their heads so much?

Sarah Palin - Livin in the lefts head, rent free, since 2008!

[DC Muskie]

I don't have a desire to be pretty or rich.

I just desire to rule myself and make my own decisions.

I don't look out for myself, I just believe in myself.

I do not go to bed or wake up angry because others are richer or better looking then me.

I go to bed and wake up thinking about Fareed Zakaria and his college degree.

Just to be clear...

You'd rather be ugly, poor, left alone, obsessing over a man.

Okay. I'm sure no one is stopping you. Let alone the United States government.

[MCXU]

Just to be clear...

You'd rather be ugly, poor, left alone, obsessing over a man.

Okay. I'm sure no one is stopping you. Let alone the United States government.

1.) Ugly and poor are my middle name.

2.) Left alone - We will debate that to no end (Obamacare) and we will never agree. So rather than push that boulder up the hill we will move on.

3.) Obsessing over a man - It's not so much the man but the degree he has.

[DC Muskie]

I can't move boulders. I can't even pay someone to do it for me. I look ugly when I even try.

Peace.

[GuyFawkes38]

I think Beck's radio show is much better than his TV show (although I've only seen the TV show a few times).

He seems less "crazy" on the radio show.

Did anybody catch Rachel Maddow (MSNBC liberal) on David Letterman?

Letterman went on a long tirade about how Beck, Limbaugh, and O'reilly are blowhards.

Maddow countered Letterman by arguing that Beck actually has a very good, entertaining, and powerful radio show.

[MCXU]

Did anybody catch Rachel Maddow (MSNBC liberal) on David Letterman?

Letterman went on a long tirade about how Beck, Limbaugh, and O'reilly are blowhards.

Maddow countered Letterman by arguing that Beck actually has a very good, entertaining, and powerful radio show.

Sounds like she may be taking Jon Stewarts suggestions to heart.

She looked crushed in her interview with Stewart, like finding out your hero isn't who you thought he was.

[BBC 08]

Sounds like she may be taking Jon Stewarts suggestions to heart.

She looked crushed in her interview with Stewart, like finding out your hero isn't who you thought he was.

Hey we found something we agree on. She did look defeated.

Yeah, that was a great interview and made me enjoy Jon Stewart even more.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Did they get tingly feelings running up their thigh when he spoke?
Did they get up and chant O-BAM-A, O-BAM-A, I mean Glenn, Glenn?
Where they wearing T-shirts with his image on them?
Did they sell votive candles with Obama I mean Glenn on them?
Did they organize children to sing songs about him?

Cuz you know, that would tend to be a little eerie.

Agree wholeheartedly. But I wasn't talking about Obama. I started the thread about Beck. If you read the initial post, you would see where I said I knew nothing about him or his show. I was just describing what I saw yesterday.

[MCXU]

Hey we found something we agree on. She did look defeated.

Yeah, that was a great interview and made me enjoy Jon Stewart even more.

My only critique of Stewart in that interview is that I felt he was holding back to lesson the blow to Maddow. He should have just said what he was thinking.

I guess he was trying to be polite to Maddow because it was her interview and the point he was making was about using words that continue the discussion rather than shut it down.

But I prefer just coming out with the point, if your feelings are hurt oh well, were both adults and were trying to have an adult interview.

[MCXU]

Agree wholeheartedly. But I wasn't talking about Obama. I started the thread about Beck. If you read the initial post, you would see where I said I knew nothing about him or his show. I was just describing what I saw yesterday.

I wasn't suggesting you were talking about Obama. I was suggesting that your reaction to people who watch Glenn is very similar to my reaction to a portion of the people who voted Obama.

Wow, We are like brothers in that way.

[MCXU]

Update

I just broke down and visited the always accurate wikipedia. Turns out Fareed Zakaria got his Ph.D. from Harvard.

I knew it. I could just sense the Ivy League in that man. He will show us the way.

Fareed shall never be questioned from this day forward. He and his college degree from Harvard will save us.

If there's one thing I've learned in life it is that people who graduate from Ivy League schools are far smarter than the rest of us. They should be the one's making the decisions for the rest of us. We are not enlightened enough to make our own decisions.

[DC Muskie]

Hey we found something we agree on. She did look defeated.

Yeah, that was a great interview and made me enjoy Jon Stewart even more.

What I liked about the interview is how Jon Stewart reminded her and everyone on the left, that you shouldn't take him seriously.

The rally that he and Colbert held out here was okay. What mostly pissed me off was how the hippies actually thought it was a real political rally. I was happy to leave and drink beer for the next 10 hours.

[waggy]

Update

I just broke down and visited the always accurate wikipedia. Turns out Fareed Zakaria got his Ph.D. from Harvard.

I knew it. I could just sense the Ivy League in that man. He will show us the way.

Fareed shall never be questioned from this day forward. He and his college degree from Harvard will save us.

If there's one thing I've learned in life it is that people who graduate from Ivy League schools are far smarter than the rest of us. They should be the one's making the decisions for the rest of us. We are not enlightened enough to make our own decisions.


That's gonna leave a mark. I bet he wouldn't bang DC either. Common man (or woman), actually.

[BBC 08]

Just turned on The Daily Show and it looks like he is interviewing 9/11 first responders.

[BBC 08]

And Mike Huckabee was just interviewed on the 9/11 first responder subject. I've said it before, I don't agree with Huckabee's politics but he comes across very well whenever he is on The Daily Show.

[Strange Brew]

Just turned on The Daily Show and it looks like he is interviewing 9/11 first responders.

wow, so he caused an outrage and is now interviewing the "offended" :rolleyes:

[BBC 08]

wow, so he caused an outrage and is now interviewing the "offended" :rolleyes:

Wait, so you're not outraged by the fact Republicans are denying first responders access to health benefits and are patronizing those who helped by putting offended in quotes? Or am I way off base and this is some sort of sarcastic remark and you actually agree with Stewart?

[Strange Brew]

Wait, so you're not outraged by the fact Republicans are denying first responders access to health benefits and are patronizing those who helped by putting offended in quotes? Or am I way off base and this is some sort of sarcastic remark and you actually agree with Stewart?

I agree with Stewart that the Repubs picked a poor issue to make a stand on but I aslo find it amusing that JS makes a huge stink about it then has the 1st responders on his show days later. It's almost like it was produced..........I'm sure Jon is sincere. In fact, I'm sure he'll do a fundraiser to compensate for what the Puds tried to deny. Please, JS is every bit of a showman as Beck.

[BBC 08]

I agree with Stewart that the Repubs picked a poor issue to make a stand on but I aslo find it amusing that JS makes a huge stink about it then has the 1st responders on his show days later. It's almost like it was produced..........I'm sure Jon is sincere. In fact, I'm sure he'll do a fundraiser to compensate for what the Puds tried to deny. Please, JS is every bit of a showman as Beck.

Thing is, he has never lied about being a showman. He knows he is a comedian and has never presented himself as anything else. He explains it best in his interview with Maddow.

[Strange Brew]

Thing is, he has never lied about being a showman. He knows he is a comedian and has never presented himself as anything else. He explains it best in his interview with Maddow.

Fair enough. The sad thing is that people take what he says (like the clip you posted) as being "the facts" without researching the actual GOP position (as I did). It appears that you are to the Left what you mock on the Right.

[GuyFawkes38]

There was an article about Jon Stewart in the New Yorker (or maybe Entertainment Weekly....I'm blanking out).

But the writer noted that Jon Stewart is concerned about "clapture", a term he refers to as speaking about political issues and getting a strong applause from the crowd without being funny. The applause stems not from humor, but political agreement.

It's really hard for comedians to touch on political stuff and still be funny and not fall into "clapture". Letterman is a great example of comedian who should never speak about politics. He instantly says something acerbic (usually about Bush or Palin). He earns some "clapture" from the crowd. But it's usually not funny and super awkward.

Stewart typically does a great job of not falling into the "clapture" trap. But sometimes he fails too. And IMHO, he often fails during his supposedly famous moments. Calling Tucker Carlson a "dick" on CNN earned an awkward round of applause from the audience. But it was not funny and came across as sort of nasty.

[PM Thor]

There was an article about Jon Stewart in the New Yorker (or maybe Entertainment Weekly....I'm blanking out).

But the writer noted that Jon Stewart is concerned about "clapture", a term he refers to as speaking about political issues and getting a strong applause from the crowd without being funny. The applause stems not from humor, but political agreement.

It's really hard for comedians to touch on political stuff and still be funny and not fall into "clapture". Letterman is a great example of comedian who should never speak about politics. He instantly says something acerbic (usually about Bush or Palin). He earns some "clapture" from the crowd. But it's usually not funny and super awkward.

Stewart typically does a great job of not falling into the "clapture" trap. But sometimes he fails too. And IMHO, he often fails during his supposedly famous moments. Calling Tucker Carlson a "dick" on CNN earned an awkward round of applause from the audience. But it was not funny and came across as sort of nasty.

I just watched a DVD that had all these overly famous comedians when they appeared at a Canadian comedy show well before they became as big as they were. You name it, the big time names were on it (it was hilarious).

Stewart was on it, talking about the first Gulf War. He totally fell into the "clapture" thing in it about Bush and some other events too. It was quite the viewing, put into your context.

Oh and Glen Beck sucks, because he is a political shock jock, just looking for ratings and book sales. He should run for office if he cared so much.

I HATE dayton.

[Snipe]

he is a political shock jock, just looking for ratings and book sales. He should run for office if he cared so much.

I HATE dayton.

Jon Stewart is looking for ratings and book sales. Everyone that sells books is looking for book sales. Everyone with a television show is looking for ratings. I don't think that Jon Stewart should run for office either, I think he is fine and does a service right where he is.

Lots of people opine on the national political scene. Should they all run for office? Maybe they don't want to run for office. Should you run for office? Do you want too? If you don't run for office, do you not care about America?

Glenn Beck is influential. You may not like him. Jon Stewart is influential and you may not like him either.

Martin Luther King "shocked" this nation when he confronted injustice and brought it to the forefront in the Civil Rights movement. Should he have just run for office? What if he didn't get elected? I went to a gathering in Washington where Glenn Beck and others honored Dr. King.

What about the First Amendment? What about the dominant liberal media for decades. They were in it to sell papers, they were in it for television ratings too. Maybe the media should have just run for office if they care so much.

Glenn Beck has taken a public stand against big government and the debt that will bring this country to it's knees. I agree with him. He stands for individual liberty, freedom and personal accountabilty. He stands against the tryanny of the State. I agree with him.

Feel free to ignore him. You don't have to watch his show. He may be crazy, but that doesn't mean that he isn't right. The sad part may be that we need a lunatic to give us clarity in these interesting times.

[MCXU]

Fareed and his college degree have spoken.

In an interview on CNN’s “Parker/Spitzer,” Fareed Zakaria responded to a question about turning around the economy by saying the American people are the problem, and aren’t as wonderful as they are made out to be. Instead, they are hungry overconsumers who must cut back on their appetite for things and accept “higher taxes.”

“No, I think the people are the big problem,” Zakaria said. “I mean, Americans — everybody wants to say the American people are so wonderful. You know, I think that when they come to recognize that they have to make sacrifices too that it’s not just wasteful — they need to have — they need to recognize that some of what’s going to happen here is fewer. They have to consume fewer things. They have to accept slightly higher taxes. And in the long run, you will have a much better economy.”

I will summarize.

Americans are stupid.

People like Fareed with their college degrees are smart.

We should stop spending our money because we are stupid.

We should give our money to the government who is made up of smart people with college degrees and they will spend our money wisely.

I think a better idea would be if we just gave all of our money directly to Fareed Zakaria.

Fareed is the change we have been waiting for.

[boozehound]

Fareed and his college degree have spoken.

In an interview on CNN’s “Parker/Spitzer,” Fareed Zakaria responded to a question about turning around the economy by saying the American people are the problem, and aren’t as wonderful as they are made out to be. Instead, they are hungry overconsumers who must cut back on their appetite for things and accept “higher taxes.”

“No, I think the people are the big problem,” Zakaria said. “I mean, Americans — everybody wants to say the American people are so wonderful. You know, I think that when they come to recognize that they have to make sacrifices too that it’s not just wasteful — they need to have — they need to recognize that some of what’s going to happen here is fewer. They have to consume fewer things. They have to accept slightly higher taxes. And in the long run, you will have a much better economy.”

I will summarize.

Americans are stupid.

People like Fareed with their college degrees are smart.

We should stop spending our money because we are stupid.

We should give our money to the government who is made up of smart people with college degrees and they will spend our money wisely.

I think a better idea would be if we just gave all of our money directly to Fareed Zakaria.

Fareed is the change we have been waiting for.

You don't think that there is a lot of truth in those statements by Zakaria?

[MCXU]

You don't think that there is a lot of truth in those statements by Zakaria?

Hello read my post.

Fareed is the smartest man in the room and his statements should be taken as gospel. I am stating that we should implement Mr. Zakaria and his college degrees ideas immediately.

Help us Fareed. Use your college degree to save us from ourselves!

[DC Muskie]

Jon Stewart is looking for ratings and book sales. Everyone that sells books is looking for book sales. Everyone with a television show is looking for ratings. I don't think that Jon Stewart should run for office either, I think he is fine and does a service right where he is.

Lots of people opine on the national political scene. Should they all run for office? Maybe they don't want to run for office. Should you run for office? Do you want too? If you don't run for office, do you not care about America?

Glenn Beck is influential. You may not like him. Jon Stewart is influential and you may not like him either.

Martin Luther King "shocked" this nation when he confronted injustice and brought it to the forefront in the Civil Rights movement. Should he have just run for office? What if he didn't get elected? I went to a gathering in Washington where Glenn Beck and others honored Dr. King.

What about the First Amendment? What about the dominant liberal media for decades. They were in it to sell papers, they were in it for television ratings too. Maybe the media should have just run for office if they care so much.

Glenn Beck has taken a public stand against big government and the debt that will bring this country to it's knees. I agree with him. He stands for individual liberty, freedom and personal accountabilty. He stands against the tryanny of the State. I agree with him.

Feel free to ignore him. You don't have to watch his show. He may be crazy, but that doesn't mean that he isn't right. The sad part may be that we need a lunatic to give us clarity in these interesting times.


I literally threw up reading this.

Snipe is influenced by a self described rodeo clown. He actually thinks he traveled all the way out there to DC to honor MLK. America is an awesome place because Glen Beck has convinced people like Snipe that there is tyranny in the state.

I don't see what the problem is about running for office. It's always easier to stand on the sidelines. Unless of course you are MLK. Who was black in case Snipe and other rodeo clowns missed it. MLK fought a real life struggle that was actually afflicting a great many people. Glen Beck doesn't think poor people should have health care. yeah, I can see how it is the same.

I think this country would be a better place if people actually stood up and ran for congress. Run for county commissioners, run for city councils. This is America, where individual liberty, personal accountability and freedom mean something. It means you can control the fate of you and your family's future. However, you sort of throw all that away when you travel 900 miles to hang out with a self described rodeo clown who thinks he honored the legacy of MLK. Everyone is self described pundit who thinks they are participating in their government, while actual people in government don't do what they think should be done. Again, makes perfect sense.

Thanks Snipe, for helping me lose a few pounds this morning.

[Snipe]

I literally threw up reading this.

Snipe is influenced by a self described rodeo clown. He actually thinks he traveled all the way out there to DC to honor MLK. America is an awesome place because Glen Beck has convinced people like Snipe that there is tyranny in the state.

I am glad I can do my part.

As for being influenced or convinced, I would rather say that I agree with him. He is crazy, but I think he is right. He didn't convince me of the tyranny of the State. He did not make me become a libertarian or fear the collapse of the dollar. I knew all about the tyranny of the State, I feared for the dollar, and I was a libertarian well before Glenn Beck started his crusade. Some people think I am crazy too. Glenn and I were made for each other. I hope we are not correct.

As for Washington DC, the rally did honor MLK. Alveda King, the niece of MLK actually spoke at the rally. It was a good teaching moment for my kids as I showed them the capital. I don't know why liberals assume they hold the title to civil rights. You don't think libertarians appreciate civil rights? You don't think conservatives appreciate civil rights? Liberals think that they have some sort of monopoly on morals, and the moral high ground is always used to lob loads of crap down upon people that don't share their ideology. It is tiresome.

Glad I made you puke in your mouth. Why don't you run for office. I would run for the Senate. All I need is 10 million dollars and a dedicated staff. What is your excuse. And if you don't have those millions and the staff and support of a major party, then you should just shut your trap as Thor said.

[DC Muskie]

I never said liberals hold the title to civil rights. You did. The rally had nothing to do with civil rights. It had everything to do with Glen Beck and his rodeo talking about "restoring honor" and praising washington and Lincoln and whomever else they could think of that could garnish cheers.

Why did they pick the 47th anniversary to honor King? What was so special about the 47th anniversary of the Dream Speech? Is Beck going to come back this coming year and do it again? Doubt it.

MLK wasn't a self described rodeo clown. He didn't do things so he could sell books, or get ratings, or dress himself up and call others idiots.

You know what is tiresome? A guy, let's say a self described recovering drug addict rodeo clown, who is able to convince guys, say like guys in Cincinnati who come onto college basketball messageboards and drone and on about the faults of the country, that he is a movement. God forbid anyone calls him out on that. Because then it turns into the same tiresome keyboard bashing of "Liberal this" and "Liberal that."

So pound away! A year from now I would bet nothing has changed. I bet a year after that nothing will change.

Keep railing against Liberals Snipe. You are making headway! Don't run for office, because you know, you are making a difference right here on this site.

[MCXU]

You know what is tiresome? A guy, let's say a self described recovering drug addict rodeo clown, who is able to convince guys, say like guys in Cincinnati who come onto college basketball messageboards and drone and on about the faults of the country, that he is a movement. God forbid anyone calls him out on that. Because then it turns into the same tiresome keyboard bashing of "Liberal this" and "Liberal that."

.

God forbid anyone sticks up for the man. Because then it just remains a giant liberal bread party with everyone congratulating each other on how much they hate Glenn Beck. In addition to mocking those who love Glenn.

[Snipe]

Why did they pick the 47th anniversary to honor King? What was so special about the 47th anniversary of the Dream Speech? Is Beck going to come back this coming year and do it again? Doubt it.

So you think that if Glenn Beck had an idea for a rally including MLK he should have waited 3 years to do it? If it was the 50th anniversary would it have been right? I bet you would have complained then too. What is so different than making a statement on the 47th anniversary? What is wrong with that? The Tea Party was often depicted as racist by the liberals that disagree with them. We can even hold a rally honoring MLK on the national mall and it doesn't matter to you, though I am glad it made you puke in your mouth.

You don't like that Glenn Beck had a rally to honor MLK. You just can't stand it. Ordinary working Americans coming together to give honor to the man, and you can't stand it. Hilarious. Think about that.




MLK wasn't a self described rodeo clown. He didn't do things so he could sell books, or get ratings, or dress himself up and call others idiots.

Glenn Beck is no MLK. I have never said that he was. Glenn Beck is no Jon Stewart either, and I never said that he was.




You know what is tiresome? A guy, let's say a self described recovering drug addict rodeo clown, who is able to convince guys, say like guys in Cincinnati who come onto college basketball messageboards and drone and on about the faults of the country, that he is a movement. God forbid anyone calls him out on that. Because then it turns into the same tiresome keyboard bashing of "Liberal this" and "Liberal that.".

Glenn Beck was a drug addict. He admits that openly. Maybe we should cast him to the wolves. What is your point? Drug addicts can't become part of society? Don't you work with drug addicts every day? That is funny about the liberal in you, the insane intolerant liberal who looks down upon those he is paid to serve. I think it says more about you than it does about Glenn Beck. I bet Glenn Beck would be much more tollerant of the people that you work with and yet disdain.

Think about that too, Mr. Righteous. Your mission in life is to save these people and everyone gives you applause, yet you denigrate one who has overcome addiction, one who had dedicated his life to faith and you can't stand him for his political opinions. I called him crazy. What should I call you? He is in a much better place in my opinion.

You make it personal against Glenn Beck. You don't talk about his positions. You make it personal against me. You don't talk about my positions. I would rather not make it personal. I would rather talk about the issues that affect us. I am here for debate rather than personal attack. That is what I enjoy. For me it is the argument of ideas. For you it is snide personal attacks. Quite a legacy.

[muskienick]

Thanks for your extreme left wing opinion.

I am a registered Republican!. I am nowhere near being extreme right wing but consider myself to be right of center on some issues (abortion, smaller government, fiscally conservative) but left of center on others (racial equality, fewer $'s for "defense", progressive tax tables until the freakin' IRS is finally eliminated).

To dislike Glenn Beck (and Rush Limbaugh) is comparable to a life-long Catholic not liking how the Church's hierarchy handles the modernization of Catholicism so that it can relate to the masses without sacrificing its basic tenets.

[muskienick]

Jon Stewart is looking for ratings and book sales. Everyone that sells books is looking for book sales. Everyone with a television show is looking for ratings. I don't think that Jon Stewart should run for office either, I think he is fine and does a service right where he is.

Lots of people opine on the national political scene. Should they all run for office? Maybe they don't want to run for office. Should you run for office? Do you want too? If you don't run for office, do you not care about America?

Glenn Beck is influential. You may not like him. Jon Stewart is influential and you may not like him either.

Martin Luther King "shocked" this nation when he confronted injustice and brought it to the forefront in the Civil Rights movement. Should he have just run for office? What if he didn't get elected? I went to a gathering in Washington where Glenn Beck and others honored Dr. King.

What about the First Amendment? What about the dominant liberal media for decades. They were in it to sell papers, they were in it for television ratings too. Maybe the media should have just run for office if they care so much.

Glenn Beck has taken a public stand against big government and the debt that will bring this country to it's knees. I agree with him. He stands for individual liberty, freedom and personal accountabilty. He stands against the tryanny of the State. I agree with him.

Feel free to ignore him. You don't have to watch his show. He may be crazy, but that doesn't mean that he isn't right. The sad part may be that we need a lunatic to give us clarity in these interesting times.

Beck is definitely right on some things. And a blind squirrel sometimes finds an acorn!

The difference between Beck and Stewart is that Beck is smarmy, self-rightious, and appears on the FOX News Channel. Stewart, on the other hand, is clever, funny, and appears on the Comedy Channel!!!

[DC Muskie]

So you think that if Glenn Beck had an idea for a rally including MLK he should have waited 3 years to do it? If it was the 50th anniversary would it have been right? I bet you would have complained then too. What is so different than making a statement on the 47th anniversary? What is wrong with that? The Tea Party was often depicted as racist by the liberals that disagree with them. We can even hold a rally honoring MLK on the national mall and it doesn't matter to you, though I am glad it made you puke in your mouth.

Why MLK at all? Why didn't you celebrate Booker T Washington? It's hilarious. We're not racist, we held a rally on the 47th anniversary of Mlk's speech! His niece even spoke!

Like I said, it wasn't a rally for civil rights. It was a rally to rail against the sun. And to solidify a brand. You bought what you wanted Snipe. Nothing was gained.


You don't like that Glenn Beck had a rally to honor MLK. You just can't stand it. Ordinary working Americans coming together to give honor to the man, and you can't stand it. Hilarious. Think about that.


Think about this. How much do MLK and Glenn Beck have in common? Has The self described rodeo clown ever mentioned MLK before this rally? Has he since?

Do you or any of the other rodeo clown followers even know what MLK stood for? He was a major liberal. HUGE. He wanted a lot of social ideas put into place.

But the self described rodeo clown honored him. How, by showing up in Washington and saying he was.

In that spirit, I'm honoring you Snipe. I'm not actually doing anything special, but I am honoring you on the 8th anniversary of some political rant you went on here. Everyone honor Snipe.



Glenn Beck is no MLK. I have never said that he was. Glenn Beck is no Jon Stewart either, and I never said that he was.

You most certainly compared them. Why does Glenn Beck have to run for office? MLK didn"t. MLK "Shocked" society. Glenn Beck is shocking. Did you not write any of that?

What point were you trying to make then? Why bring up MLK's life at all?



Glenn Beck was a drug addict. He admits that openly. Maybe we should cast him to the wolves. What is your point?

Just stating fact. It seems to be a pattern in the popular right wing radio genre. Obviously they can overcome and be rodeo clowns. Good for them.


That is funny about the liberal in you, the insane intolerant liberal who looks down upon those he is paid to serve. I think it says more about you than it does about Glenn Beck. I bet Glenn Beck would be much more tollerant of the people that you work with and yet disdain.

Think about that too, Mr. Righteous. Your mission in life is to save these people and everyone gives you applause, yet you denigrate one who has overcome addiction, one who had dedicated his life to faith and you can't stand him for his political opinions. I called him crazy. What should I call you? He is in a much better place in my opinion.

You make it personal against Glenn Beck. You don't talk about his positions. You make it personal against me. You don't talk about my positions. I would rather not make it personal. I would rather talk about the issues that affect us. I am here for debate rather than personal attack. That is what I enjoy. For me it is the argument of ideas. For you it is snide personal attacks. Quite a legacy.

This is what I love about Snipe. He calls me a liberal. That's how he defines me. Not a Christian. Not a human being. A liberal. Just spoon fed by self described rode clowns as someone who isn't worthy of being an American. In fact liberals are to be hated.

And yet I'm Mr. Righteous. That's awesome.

There is absolutely no issues when it comes to Glenn Beck. You don't talk about his positions. You talk about tyranny, freedom, toasted oats, and grandmas. You are a HUGE wind bag, no wonder you have a poster of Glenn Beck on your wall.

You have no juice in the game Snipe. You stand on the sideline and admit you are and like crazies.

I wonder if you ever share with people what you write on these boards. They are practically political papers that can save us from ourselves. Your positions of defeating tyranny, promoting freedom and personal accountability.

But you got nothing in game my friend. Call me whatever you want. You are a spectator.

The sad thing is...this is your only outlet. This board. Don't get me wrong it's fun.

Keep railing. Down with tyranny!

[MCXU]

Beck is definitely right on some things. And a blind squirrel sometimes finds an acorn!

The difference between Beck and Stewart is that Beck is smarmy, self-rightious, and appears on the FOX News Channel. Stewart, on the other hand, is clever, funny, and appears on the Comedy Channel!!!

Are you suggesting people should stop watching Stewart for News???

Cuz many people do. Many people with college degrees do in fact.

I think people like to a watch Stewart because they have been told he is an intellectual who rides the center. He is witty and learned. I have found that people like that are weak a-holes who can't make up there mind on anything, yet they are comforted that an audience laughs and applauds.

They just don't want to offend anyone. The mass media tells them that to mock conservatives is OK so they do that knowing they will never be challenged on it. They can then go out and talk about how they watch Stewart and thats OK because he is on a Comedy Channel. It takes intellectual capability to watch him because he is like Voltaire, you know, funny yet making witty commentary about the issues of the day.

Grow a pair, make a stand and pick a side.

[MCXU]

I am a registered Republican!. I am nowhere near being extreme right wing but consider myself to be right of center on some issues (abortion, smaller government, fiscally conservative) but left of center on others (racial equality, fewer $'s for "defense", progressive tax tables until the freakin' IRS is finally eliminated).

To dislike Glenn Beck (and Rush Limbaugh) is comparable to a life-long Catholic not liking how the Church's hierarchy handles the modernization of Catholicism so that it can relate to the masses without sacrificing its basic tenets.

So are you more concerned about appealing to the masses, or not sacrificing your basic tenants?

I am about not sacrificing your basic tenants, period.

[BBC 08]

Are you suggesting people should stop watching Stewart for News???

Cuz many people do. Many people with college degrees do in fact.

I think people like to a watch Stewart because they have been told he is an intellectual who rides the center. He is witty and learned. I have found that people like that are weak a-holes who can't make up there mind on anything, yet they are comforted that an audience laughs and applauds.

They just don't want to offend anyone. The mass media tells them that to mock conservatives is OK so they do that knowing they will never be challenged on it. They can then go out and talk about how they watch Stewart and thats OK because he is on a Comedy Channel. It takes intellectual capability to watch him because he is like Voltaire, you know, funny yet making witty commentary about the issues of the day.

Grow a pair, make a stand and pick a side.

Woohoo! I am a weak asshole who can't make up my mind on anything.

[PM Thor]

Jon Stewart is looking for ratings and book sales. Everyone that sells books is looking for book sales. Everyone with a television show is looking for ratings. I don't think that Jon Stewart should run for office either, I think he is fine and does a service right where he is.

Lots of people opine on the national political scene. Should they all run for office? Maybe they don't want to run for office. Should you run for office? Do you want too? If you don't run for office, do you not care about America?

Glenn Beck is influential. You may not like him. Jon Stewart is influential and you may not like him either.

Martin Luther King "shocked" this nation when he confronted injustice and brought it to the forefront in the Civil Rights movement. Should he have just run for office? What if he didn't get elected? I went to a gathering in Washington where Glenn Beck and others honored Dr. King.

What about the First Amendment? What about the dominant liberal media for decades. They were in it to sell papers, they were in it for television ratings too. Maybe the media should have just run for office if they care so much.

Glenn Beck has taken a public stand against big government and the debt that will bring this country to it's knees. I agree with him. He stands for individual liberty, freedom and personal accountabilty. He stands against the tryanny of the State. I agree with him.

Feel free to ignore him. You don't have to watch his show. He may be crazy, but that doesn't mean that he isn't right. The sad part may be that we need a lunatic to give us clarity in these interesting times.

And this is exactly why I have no faith in politics, or the American voter. I know that both those guys are influential. But why? Should they be? I sure as Hell don't think people should be influenced by guys like this.

I HATE dayton.

[spazzrico]

I think people like to a watch Stewart because they have been told he is an intellectual who rides the center. He is witty and learned. I have found that people like that are weak a-holes who can't make up there mind on anything, yet they are comforted that an audience laughs and applauds.

I think they watch the Daily Show because it is really, really funny and yeah they get some idea of what's going on in the news as well. How many are using it as their only source? I don't know and I'm not sure that figure is available..I hope it isn't many.

[blobfan]

And this is exactly why I have no faith in politics, or the American voter. I know that both those guys are influential. But why? Should they be? I sure as Hell don't think people should be influenced by guys like this.

I HATE dayton.
Stewart would agree with you. I don't think Beck would.

I think they watch the Daily Show because it is really, really funny and yeah they get some idea of what's going on in the news as well. How many are using it as their only source? I don't know and I'm not sure that figure is available..I hope it isn't many.
Stewart has commented about people who use his show as a news source and says they shouldn't. He frequently makes this point during his shows. Does Beck say this? From what I can tell he goes the opposite direction and tries to make everything he says sound life-threatening and implies or outright says there will be dire consequences for anyone that doesn't act immediately on everything he says.

[boozehound]

Are you suggesting people should stop watching Stewart for News???

Cuz many people do. Many people with college degrees do in fact.

I think people like to a watch Stewart because they have been told he is an intellectual who rides the center. He is witty and learned. I have found that people like that are weak a-holes who can't make up there mind on anything, yet they are comforted that an audience laughs and applauds.

They just don't want to offend anyone. The mass media tells them that to mock conservatives is OK so they do that knowing they will never be challenged on it. They can then go out and talk about how they watch Stewart and thats OK because he is on a Comedy Channel. It takes intellectual capability to watch him because he is like Voltaire, you know, funny yet making witty commentary about the issues of the day.

Grow a pair, make a stand and pick a side.

This is the freaking coup de grace to your credibility in this argument. Are you serious? A few posts ago you are all pissed off because people are 'making it personal' with regards to their criticism of Glenn Beck, then you do the same thing to Jon Stewart that you just criticized people for doing to Beck? So it is not OK for them to do but it is OK for you?

With regards to your last sentence: In my opinion this is exactly the kind of closed-minded partisan statement that sums up why nothing will ever get done this country. It absolutely blows my mind that so many people can have this kind of attitude regarding politics.

"Grow a pair, make a stand and pick a side?" Contribute to the political gridlock that prevents anything of real meaning from getting done? Are you actually advocating that people should just fall into line lock-step with whatever party they most identify with? That is really what it sounds like.

Pick a side? Please. I would rather people think for themselves and vote on individual issues in an honest and transparent manner, not create 2 opposing factions of which all people are supposed 'fit in to'.

Many of our founding fathers were outspoken critics of partisan politics for this very reason.

[MCXU]

This is the freaking coup de grace to your credibility in this argument. Are you serious? A few posts ago you are all pissed off because people are 'making it personal' with regards to their criticism of Glenn Beck, then you do the same thing to Jon Stewart that you just criticized people for doing to Beck? So it is not OK for them to do but it is OK for you?

With regards to your last sentence: In my opinion this is exactly the kind of closed-minded partisan statement that sums up why nothing will ever get done this country. It absolutely blows my mind that so many people can have this kind of attitude regarding politics.

"Grow a pair, make a stand and pick a side?" Contribute to the political gridlock that prevents anything of real meaning from getting done? Are you actually advocating that people should just fall into line lock-step with whatever party they most identify with? That is really what it sounds like.

Pick a side? Please. I would rather people think for themselves and vote on individual issues in an honest and transparent manner, not create 2 opposing factions of which all people are supposed 'fit in to'.

Many of our founding fathers were outspoken critics of partisan politics for this very reason.

Not growing a pair or knowing what you stand for is exactly what puts people who do not care about the constitution in charge. Weak minded individuals who are afraid to say what they mean tend to fall for whoever they feel will make people think they are being reasonable. In the process they completely compromise what values they still have.

As for what I said about Stewart it is exactly the same thing. I said his biggest problem is he didn't come out and say what he means. He should have tried to come out and piss some people off. He was tip toeing through the tulips around Maddow because he didn't want to hurt her feelings which was bull.

Grid lock can be much much more preferable to the alternative. That is why we have checks and balances.

In 2 years there will actually be morons who don't know who they will vote for. Really, there is the left and there is the right. If you can't figure that out you are an idiot in the truest sense of the word. You don't have to be for every thing the right espouses or everything the left espouses but you should at least be certain enough to know the difference between the 2 sides. Quit trying to act intelligent by waffling in the middle, grow a pair, pick a side and work to make that side better.

The great myth is that there is a center. There is no center, there are only people who can't decide between up and down. To entice these people you can either compromise your values in exchange for votes, or you can hold firm and let them come to you.

Compromising inevitably leads to you becoming something you are not.

I would rather stand with people I can count on, than compromise my values and stand amongst phonies, because they will inevitably let you down.

Same goes for the Left. If you are a socialist come out and say it, quit pretending like you are a (media created) centrist. Again, there is a left and there is a right. If it makes you feel good to believe there is some sort middle where compromise reigns supreme and everyone gets a piece of what they want you are wrong. You will only get a bunch of unhappy people who got something they didn't want in the first place, and a huge new Government Agency to run it.

[MCXU]

Stewart would agree with you. I don't think Beck would.

Stewart has commented about people who use his show as a news source and says they shouldn't. He frequently makes this point during his shows. Does Beck say this? From what I can tell he goes the opposite direction and tries to make everything he says sound life-threatening and implies or outright says there will be dire consequences for anyone that doesn't act immediately on everything he says.

Actually on of Becks favorite lines is "don't take my word for it, do the research yourself and make your own decisions." He is meticulous in citing his sources in his books also.

You probably won't here about that from Olbermann though.

[DC Muskie]

This country wouldn't exist it people didn't compromise. It's also the reason we have fought one civil war and haven't had multiple governments or military rule.

To compromise is simply being American.

[MCXU]

This country wouldn't exist it people didn't compromise. It's also the reason we have fought one civil war and haven't had multiple governments or military rule.

To compromise is simply being American.

Disagreeing is American, Compromising is French.

[MCXU]

Woohoo! I am a weak asshole who can't make up my mind on anything.

It took someone else telling you that to make your mind up?:)

[Snipe]

And this is exactly why I have no faith in politics, or the American voter. I know that both those guys are influential. But why? Should they be? I sure as Hell don't think people should be influenced by guys like this.

I HATE dayton.

Who should we be influenced by PMThor? Do you have a list? I believe in a lot of things that Beck says, and I have believed in those things since before I listened to Beck. You may not believe in the same things that I do. It might just be the message.

Glenn Beck didn't start the Tea Party, but he did hop on the Tea Party bandwagon. Maybe he is just an exceptional opportunist, but he has tapped into a current (or an undercurrent if you will) that exists within mainstream America. Maybe he just saw it coming before everyone else and got out in front and started waving a flag to get attention.

I think the Tea Party had a serious impact on the last election. Perhaps you don't think we should be influenced by the Tea Parties either.

I wonder who influenced you Thor, and I am waiting for your approved list of political commentators. Is Rush on that list or is he bad for America too? What libertarians do you find inspiring and worthy to listen to?

[MCXU]

This country wouldn't exist it people didn't compromise. It's also the reason we have fought one civil war and haven't had multiple governments or military rule.

To compromise is simply being American.

I think you may have posted too quickly because I know you are not suggesting we should have compromised on the issues that lead to the civil war. Because that to me it is the perfect example of why you should not compromise. Slavery was evil, a little bit of slavery would have still been evil. We went to war for good reason, war sucks but there was no happy middle there. In terms of slavery the North was right, the South was wrong. Compromise would have been a disaster, one side needed to win.

Let me know if I am misreading your post.

[Snipe]

This country wouldn't exist it people didn't compromise. It's also the reason we have fought one civil war and haven't had multiple governments or military rule.

To compromise is simply being American.

I am not clear on the Civil War reference. The Civil War isn't a good example of compromise. Lincoln used Americans to attack other Americans at Fort Sumter. I think that was the beginning of the war. After the United States attacked South Carolina other states left the Union in disgust. Not a model of compromise. Not much dialogue there, just brute force.

I would also dispute that we haven't had military rule. FDR's administration set wages, rationed food and goods and he threw Japanese Americans into concentration camps. Germans and Italians were also detained. I think that would constitute military rule for them. And Lincoln in particular didn't care about the Constitution.

[boozehound]

First of all, it is very difficult to debate something that makes such little sense, and filled with so much "You're either with us or against us" partisan retoric. Here it goes though:


Not growing a pair or knowing what you stand for is exactly what puts people who do not care about the constitution in charge. Weak minded individuals who are afraid to say what they mean tend to fall for whoever they feel will make people think they are being reasonable. In the process they completely compromise what values they still have.

This is a vague statement. People who do not care about the the constitution? What does that even mean? Is that kind of like "If we let them build a Mosque at ground zero then ther terrorists win"? Did you hear that on Glenn Beck?


As for what I said about Stewart it is exactly the same thing. I said his biggest problem is he didn't come out and say what he means. He should have tried to come out and piss some people off. He was tip toeing through the tulips around Maddow because he didn't want to hurt her feelings which was bull.

I think that you have Jon Stewart confused with a political commentator. He is a comedian. I don't really think that he has to personally weigh in on political issues. Usually comedian's goals are to make people laugh, not to "come out and piss some people off".


Grid lock can be much much more preferable to the alternative. That is why we have checks and balances.

That is also why we can't get people to raise taxes, reduce spending, and reform our entitlement programs for the benefit of our future as a country.


In 2 years there will actually be morons who don't know who they will vote for. Really, there is the left and there is the right. If you can't figure that out you are an idiot in the truest sense of the word. You don't have to be for every thing the right espouses or everything the left espouses but you should at least be certain enough to know the difference between the 2 sides. Quit trying to act intelligent by waffling in the middle, grow a pair, pick a side and work to make that side better.

One of the more ignorant things that I have ever seen posted. I knew quite a few people who are very intelligent by any definition that you choose to use that had a hard time deciding who to vote for last election. Some intelligent people will have a hard time again. In your world we should just all register as Democrats or Republicans and not even bother to have votes. We can just assume that all the Republicans would vote for the Republican candidate and all the Dems would vote for the Dem.


The great myth is that there is a center. There is no center, there are only people who can't decide between up and down. To entice these people you can either compromise your values in exchange for votes, or you can hold firm and let them come to you.

Again, why bother to vote at all then?


Compromising inevitably leads to you becoming something you are not.

I would rather stand with people I can count on, than compromise my values and stand amongst phonies, because they will inevitably let you down.

This is a loaded statement. Compromisers are 'phonies'? People compromise every day, it is a part of what makes a society work. I don't want to live in your world in which people who have disagreements are not allowed to compromise with others who have different opinions. How would that society function? How would business function?


Same goes for the Left. If you are a socialist come out and say it, quit pretending like you are a (media created) centrist. Again, there is a left and there is a right. If it makes you feel good to believe there is some sort middle where compromise reigns supreme and everyone gets a piece of what they want you are wrong. You will only get a bunch of unhappy people who got something they didn't want in the first place, and a huge new Government Agency to run it.

Mind blowing. I hope that you are in the minority in your opinions.

So to sum up:

There really is no middle, and people who don't choose a side of the political aisle and proceed to fight ignorantly with people that have the opposing view don't exist. People who compromise can't be trusted.

Why don't we just get it over with and start killing each other?

[Snipe]

I think you may have posted too quickly because I know you are not suggesting we should have compromised on the issues that lead to the civil war. Because that to me it is the perfect example of why you should not compromise. Slavery was evil, a little bit of slavery would have still been evil. We went to war for good reason, war sucks but there was no happy middle there. The North was right, the South was wrong. Compromise would have been a disaster, one side needed to win.

Let me know if I am misreading your post.

We did not go to war over slavery. Some slave states stayed in the Union. Some defected after Lincoln attacked South Carolina. Those states obviously didn't defect over slavery, they defected because of Lincoln's attack on South Carolina.

The Lincoln myth was nice but it is simply not historically accurate. And why couldn't we have found a compromise without war. We are the only nation that fought a civil war over the issue of slavery, yet plenty of other nations had slavery. We were not unique in that. Our civil war however was unique. Abe was quite a diplomat.

[boozehound]

Disagreeing is American, Compromising is French.

You're just doing this to get a rise out of people, right? You're not really this ignorant and Xenophobic?

[boozehound]

I am not clear on the Civil War reference. The Civil War isn't a good example of compromise. Lincoln used Americans to attack other Americans at Fort Sumter. I think that was the beginning of the war. After the United States attacked South Carolina other states left the Union in disgust. Not a model of compromise. Not much dialogue there, just brute force.

I would also dispute that we haven't had military rule. FDR's administration set wages, rationed food and goods and he threw Japanese Americans into concentration camps. Germans and Italians were also detained. I think that would constitute military rule for them. And Lincoln in particular didn't care about the Constitution.

I think his point is that the fact that we compromise is the reason why we have only fought one Civil War, instead of multiple.

For an example of people who refuse to compromise: see Israel and Palestine.

[MCXU]

I think his point is that the fact that we compromise is the reason why we have only fought one Civil War, instead of multiple.

For an example of people who refuse to compromise: see Israel and Palestine.

Are you now suggesting that Isreal compromise to an enemy who's stated goal is to march them into the sea?

Again-Compromise would be very bad in this case.

And Yes, I was joking with DC on that one.

[Strange Brew]

I am not clear on the Civil War reference. The Civil War isn't a good example of compromise. Lincoln used Americans to attack other Americans at Fort Sumter. I think that was the beginning of the war. After the United States attacked South Carolina other states left the Union in disgust. Not a model of compromise. Not much dialogue there, just brute force.

I would also dispute that we haven't had military rule. FDR's administration set wages, rationed food and goods and he threw Japanese Americans into concentration camps. Germans and Italians were also detained. I think that would constitute military rule for them. And Lincoln in particular didn't care about the Constitution.

Snipe, I could be wrong but I thought Ft. Sumpter was a Union held fort that was attacked by the South. If that is the case then the SC attacked the USA not the other way around.

[Snipe]

Oh those pesky little facts.

[madness31]

Regarding the statistics about Muslim support of "terrorism": What % of the US was in favor of attacking Iraq after 9/11? Iraq didn't have anything to do with the attack so should all these Americans be considered terrorists?

What percentage of Americans would support attacks on Muslim countries if they had military bases within the US? What percent of Americans would support attacks on Muslim countries if they were at war with certain US states?

It is beyond ignorant to assume that the people in support of attacks are actually terrorists. They probably believe they are supporting the defense of their country or religion. A small fraction of them might be terrorists and a portion of those actual terrorists might not be terrorists if the US hadn't invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and set-up military bases in other Middle East countries.

The better poll question would be how many support the attack of Canada. That should get you much closer to the percentage of potentially dangerous Muslims. I suspect that percentage would be far lower than the percentage of Americans that would like to continue attacking Muslim countries.

[muskienick]

Are you suggesting people should stop watching Stewart for News???

Cuz many people do. Many people with college degrees do in fact.

I think people like to a watch Stewart because they have been told he is an intellectual who rides the center. He is witty and learned. I have found that people like that are weak a-holes who can't make up there mind on anything, yet they are comforted that an audience laughs and applauds.

They just don't want to offend anyone. The mass media tells them that to mock conservatives is OK so they do that knowing they will never be challenged on it. They can then go out and talk about how they watch Stewart and thats OK because he is on a Comedy Channel. It takes intellectual capability to watch him because he is like Voltaire, you know, funny yet making witty commentary about the issues of the day.

Grow a pair, make a stand and pick a side.

I fathered six children; My stand was quite obvious to anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension; and I pick Stewart for my entertainment (I get my news from actual news outlets without a blatant leaning toward the left or right.)

[DC Muskie]

I am not clear on the Civil War reference. The Civil War isn't a good example of compromise. Lincoln used Americans to attack other Americans at Fort Sumter. I think that was the beginning of the war. After the United States attacked South Carolina other states left the Union in disgust. Not a model of compromise. Not much dialogue there, just brute force.

I would also dispute that we haven't had military rule. FDR's administration set wages, rationed food and goods and he threw Japanese Americans into concentration camps. Germans and Italians were also detained. I think that would constitute military rule for them. And Lincoln in particular didn't care about the Constitution.

Are you serious? I mean I know you roll out a bed ready to disagree with me, but come on. If we didn't compromise, we would have had more wars on our soil. Do you not think that? Isn't it amazing that our country can go from one party to another and there's no blood shed?

I hope that clears up the Civil War reference. Lincoln went after traitors. Not traitors like you think, i.e. John Kerry, but real ones who took up arms against the United States.

Compromise is what prevents people from becoming traitors to their country.

FDR also fought a war that Congress declared. So I guess under your argument we are still under military law. Of course you also think we are in a state of tyranny, so it doesn't surprise me.

[MCXU]

I fathered six children; My stand was quite obvious to anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension; and I pick Stewart for my entertainment (I get my news from actual news outlets without a blatant leaning toward the left or right.)

If you think your getting your news from a source that doesn't lean left or right your kidding yourself. It simply doesn't exist.

[muskienick]

If you think your getting your news from a source that doesn't lean left or right your kidding yourself. It simply doesn't exist.

Once again you fail to read the written word. In the most recent case, it is your failure to note the word, 'blatant,' in reference to how sources of news lean to the left or right. It is one thing entirely to rely on the objectivity of news reporting from the likes of Beck, Olbermann, Limbaugh, or Maddow and quite another to learn what is going on in the world from a Diane Sawyer or Katie Couric. If you cannot recognize that, then you don't belong in this exchange of ideas.

[PM Thor]

Who should we be influenced by PMThor? Do you have a list? I believe in a lot of things that Beck says, and I have believed in those things since before I listened to Beck. You may not believe in the same things that I do. It might just be the message.

Glenn Beck didn't start the Tea Party, but he did hop on the Tea Party bandwagon. Maybe he is just an exceptional opportunist, but he has tapped into a current (or an undercurrent if you will) that exists within mainstream America. Maybe he just saw it coming before everyone else and got out in front and started waving a flag to get attention.

I think the Tea Party had a serious impact on the last election. Perhaps you don't think we should be influenced by the Tea Parties either.

I wonder who influenced you Thor, and I am waiting for your approved list of political commentators. Is Rush on that list or is he bad for America too? What libertarians do you find inspiring and worthy to listen to?

Who should we be influenced by? How about people who actually do things, over those who just complain about them? Beck, Rush, Stewart, Olbermann, they all should be less influential. And yeah, Palin too.

I have no problem with Tea Party politicians, just wish they would stay on message about fiscal responsibility, I think they have lost their way on that.

I don't know what you are trying to get at here Snipe. I simply think these political commentators shouldn't be looked upon so kindly, and it doesn't matter where they come from on the political landscape. Beit Al Sharpton or Anne Coulter, I think they are all worthless, and play to peoples most base need for validation of their views. I guess what I'm saying is that people need to be more objective about what they take in, and the sources. So to put it simply, I don't trust the lot of them, and would rather listen to actual politicians, who have to back up their claims with actual deeds while in office.

Oh and did you really compare Beck/Stewart to MLK?

I HATE dayton.

[GuyFawkes38]

Who should we be influenced by? How about people who actually do things, over those who just complain about them? Beck, Rush, Stewart, Olbermann, they all should be less influential. And yeah, Palin too.

I have no problem with Tea Party politicians, just wish they would stay on message about fiscal responsibility, I think they have lost their way on that.

I don't know what you are trying to get at here Snipe. I simply think these political commentators shouldn't be looked upon so kindly, and it doesn't matter where they come from on the political landscape. Beit Al Sharpton or Anne Coulter, I think they are all worthless, and play to peoples most base need for validation of their views. I guess what I'm saying is that people need to be more objective about what they take in, and the sources. So to put it simply, I don't trust the lot of them, and would rather listen to actual politicians, who have to back up their claims with actual deeds while in office.

Oh and did you really compare Beck/Stewart to MLK?

I HATE dayton.

But I do think there's a similar reason why more people are influenced by such religious figures as Jesus, Muhammad (PBUH), Buddha, etc., than philosophical figures like Aristotle, Plato, Descartes, etc.

Muhammad was an incredible poet. Jesus was a great storyteller. Buddha did spectacular things on the football field.

The religious figures did stuff that tugged at the emotions and faith of people. Plato and Aristotle addressed intellect.

Has anyone here tried to read the entire Republic. A few pages will give you a headache. The Bible reaches a lot more people in an emotional and deep manner.

[DC Muskie]

But I do think there's a similar reason why more people are influenced by such religious figures as Jesus, Muhammad (PBUH), Buddha, etc., than philosophical figures like Aristotle, Plato, Descartes, etc.

Muhammad was an incredible poet. Jesus was a great storyteller. Buddha did spectacular things on the football field.

The religious figures did stuff that tugged at the emotions and faith of people. Plato and Aristotle addressed intellect.

Has anyone here tried to read the entire Republic. A few pages will give you a headache. The Bible reaches a lot more people in an emotional and deep manner.

Can someone please tell me WTF this post is all about?

Influenced by Jesus over Plato? Because he was a storyteller? Are you kidding me?

Take a step back away from the computer Guy. Give reality a time to catch up to you.

[GuyFawkes38]

Can someone please tell me WTF this post is all about?

Influenced by Jesus over Plato? Because he was a storyteller? Are you kidding me?

Take a step back away from the computer Guy. Give reality a time to catch up to you.

heh, I think the post is obvious.

yes, more people are influenced by Jesus than Plato.

Directing speech towards a person's emotions and beliefs is more effective than directing speech towards reason and intellect.

Thor doesn't understand why Beck and Limbaugh are so effective. I'm just explaining why I believe they are so effective. They target the inner beliefs and faith of a lot of people. It's a gift that Limbaugh and Beck seem to have and that's a big part of the reason why they are so effective.

[DC Muskie]

heh, I think the post is obvious.

yes, more people are influenced by Jesus than Plato.

Directing speech towards a person's emotions and beliefs is more effective than directing speech towards reason and intellect.

Thor doesn't understand why Beck and Limbaugh are so effective. I'm just explaining why I believe they are so effective. They target the inner beliefs and faith of a lot of people. It's a gift that Limbaugh and Beck seem to have and that's a big part of the reason why they are so effective.

More people are influenced by Jesus because of Faith. Comparing Jesus to Plato is really silly.

People like Rush and Glenn because they justify how they feel. They already are of the same opinion as them, or they will take on their opinions because they like them.

[Snipe]

Who should we be influenced by? How about people who actually do things, over those who just complain about them? Beck, Rush, Stewart, Olbermann, they all should be less influential. And yeah, Palin too.

I have no problem with Tea Party politicians, just wish they would stay on message about fiscal responsibility, I think they have lost their way on that.

I don't know what you are trying to get at here Snipe. I simply think these political commentators shouldn't be looked upon so kindly, and it doesn't matter where they come from on the political landscape. Beit Al Sharpton or Anne Coulter, I think they are all worthless, and play to peoples most base need for validation of their views. I guess what I'm saying is that people need to be more objective about what they take in, and the sources. So to put it simply, I don't trust the lot of them, and would rather listen to actual politicians, who have to back up their claims with actual deeds while in office.

Oh and did you really compare Beck/Stewart to MLK?

I HATE dayton.

I pointed out that MLK can be dismissed by the same argument. What did MLK actually do? Was he not a political commentator of a sort? What about Gandhi? He held no elective office. Did he start up a business or employ people? They didn't "do things", they complained about them as you like to say. At least Mother Teresa had an occupation, but she was a political commentator as well when you get down to it.

Now I could name some politicians that did things. Adolf Hitler was elected. He did some things. FDR was elected, he threw Japanese Americans into concentration camps and also detained and held Germans and Italians in America. Woodrow Wilson did some thing too, like shutting down the free press and segregating the Federal Government by race.

I asked you who people should be influenced by. You didn't give me anyone. Should we be inspired by Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid? What about John Boehner Mitch McConnel? I agree with some of those people on some things, and disagree with others on some things. I don't find any of them inspiring.

So now you can say that I compared Glenn Beck to MLK, Gandhi and Mother Teresa, and I compared all politicians to Hitler, FDR and fascist Woodrow Wilson.

[xuwin]

I fathered six children; My stand was quite obvious to anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension; and I pick Stewart for my entertainment (I get my news from actual news outlets without a blatant leaning toward the left or right.)

Which news outlets don't have a blatant leaning toward the left or right?

[BBC 08]

Which news outlets don't have a blatant leaning toward the left or right?

CNN isn't blatantly left.

[madness31]

There are news outlets? News outlets report facts and details of a situation. They do research on what is actually known. I thought news outlets ended decades ago and were replaced by party cheerleaders.

[Snipe]

http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=48&pictureid=375

I mean really. We are a Jesuit University. We shouldn't be afraid of Christ. This War on Christmas stuff is insane when we practice it among ourselves.

Are we worried that we might offend any Jews on the mailing list? I am sure they would realize we are in fact a Jesuit University.

Grow a sack Jesuits! Have some pride. If we don't stand up for ourselves don't expect anyone else too.

Merry Christmas Xavier Fans!

[Snipe]

All news agencies have bias. They always have had it and they always will. The difference now is that people have a choice between right and left instead of just left.

[Porkopolis]

The difference now is that people have a choice between right and left instead of just left.

Not really. We have a choice between really right wing, sort of right wing, center right and the nutjobs at MSNBC.

[MCXU]

Not really. We have a choice between really right wing, sort of right wing, center right and the nutjobs at MSNBC.

Merry Christmas Porkopolis

[bobbiemcgee]

Not really. We have a choice between really right wing, sort of right wing, center right and the nutjobs at MSNBC.

Tearfully, Glenn is out.

[pizza delivery]

I hope he runs for president!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Porkopolis]

Tearfully, Glenn is out.

I shed a few tears when I heard the news. But that was just because I know he is probably going to be replaced by the even more obnoxious Judge Napolitano.

[X Communicator]

Tearfully, Glenn is out.


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Anyone know where I can recycle my tin foil hat now?

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

CNN isn't blatantly left.

Yeah that Peter Arnett was middle of the road. And nothing could be funnier than Howard Kurtz and "Reliable Sources."

The people who deem media bias from what they learn on "Reliable Sources" are the same people who trust MediaMatters(Boozehound}.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

All news agencies have bias. They always have had it and they always will. The difference now is that people have a choice between right and left instead of just left.

Careful, they'd love to have that fairness doctrine.

I don't care for Glen Beck and I'm not gonna pretend I read the beginning of this thread. I'm guessing Glen is claiming interest groups went after his advertisers? Would that be sooo shocking? Anyone remember when Dr.Laura was launching a tv show and the gay groups pressured P&G into nixing the project.

All because she stated the obvious; that gays have a biological defect.

[boozehound]

Yeah that Peter Arnett was middle of the road. And nothing could be funnier than Howard Kurtz and "Reliable Sources."

The people who deem media bias from what they learn on "Reliable Sources" are the same people who trust MediaMatters(Boozehound}.

You link to an article from MediaMatters one time and Garvin never lets you forget it...

You are right to give me shit about it though. At the time I found the article I didn't know what MediaMatter was. I do now.