Well, Gone-zaga

[Masterofreality]

Last night, Washington State 81, cute Zags 59.

Gone-zaga now 4-4. Well predicted preseason analysts.

Preseason #11. Very dump-esque. Maybe this stuff will finally get them out of the pundits' heads.

I know, we play them this year- out there in a challenging year for us. At this point their crappy performance will not help our RPI.

[Lamont Sanford]

MoR -

Agreed. I like to see them lose as well. The media darlings are not so darling this season afterall.

[danaandvictory]

Washington State is pretty good this year.

Gonzaga is not, particularly.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

MoR -

Agreed. I like to see them lose as well. The media darlings are not so darling this season afterall.

Who did Snipe say that quote to in your signature?

[STL_XUfan]

While I agree they were ranked way to high preseason it isn't like they have been losing to no name teams.

(Ranks are current AP poll)
Home loss to #15 San Diego State
Semi-Neutral(away) court Loss to #5 Kstate
Semi-Neutral(home) court Loss to #16 Illinois
Road Loss to Washington St. (6-1 only loss is to K-Sate by 5).

They weren't as good as the media said, but none of these losses will be seen as bad losses at the end of the season. They will most likely still be in a good position to get an at large come March.

[PMI]

If I recall correctly he said it to DC Muskie in one of their make-you-want-to-blow-your-head-off political threads.

As for the fake Gonzaga, different year, same old story. OVERRATED. This is shaping up to be an unfortunate year for us to have to go out there and play, because it will obviously be tough, but won't end up being the RPI game we expected it would be. Thanks fake Gonzaga. One thing I'm realizing lately is I really, really hate Bulldogs.

[gladdenguy]

We are saying this....so how bad is Xavier gonna be after Gonzaga beats us?

As STL points out, those are all quality losses. No Miami Ohios on there.

[Masterofreality]

We are saying this....so how bad is Xavier gonna be after Gonzaga beats us?

As STL points out, those are all quality losses. No Miami Ohios on there.

Well, we weren't ranked with hype before the season started.

Again, how anyone could have just blindly ranked the cuties before the season started is a fool. Matt Bouldin held that team together last year and he's gone. They got boatraced in the second round last year even with Bouldin. A sham-wow.

We have injuries and a bad NCAA ruling. They have no excuse plus get all kinds of espn bennies.

[PMI]

We are saying this....so how bad is Xavier gonna be after Gonzaga beats us?

As STL points out, those are all quality losses. No Miami Ohios on there.

I love gladdenguy. The sky is always falling like a mofo. Last year at this time we were the worst team in the history of the NCAA with a selfish player who could never take us anywhere. Now, we are the worst team in the history of amateur sports, edging out that 2nd grade girls tee-ball team from South Dakota. Got to admire someone who can live in the moment as effortlessly as gladdenguy.

[Masterofreality]

I love gladdenguy..... Got to admire someone who can live in the moment as effortlessly as gladdenguy.

Ah, he's loveable. Just wears his heart on his sleeve. No mysteries.

The range of emotion is impressive, however.

[madness31]

The Zags have talent but the execution isn't there. They are capable of beating good teams but just haven't figured out how to put it together. The losses were all to very good to great teams. SDSU and K St are final 4 contenders. The other 2 are very strong as well. I can't imagine this X team beating any of those teams.

Hopefully the Zags don't get it together before the X game as that could give us a shot at a win. I still wouldn't expect a win but it would be possible.

[xubrew]

none of gonzaga's losses are bad in and of themselves, but 0-for-4 against quality teams is bad, and losing by more than twenty points to wazzu is bad. wazzu is a good team, but they're not twenty points better than an ncaa tournament caliber team. they're not quite that good. i realize that on any give night any team can be way off or way on, but gonzaga hasn't been on at all other than the game against san diego state, which they ultimately lost anyway.

i said it at the time, and i'll say it again, ranking gonzaga #12th to start the year made no difference. if they were that good, they'd stay ranked, and if they weren't, they'd fall out. they fell out. so did florida. so did north carolina. so did some other teams. good teams that were unranked to start the year like san diego state, unlv, byu, minnesota, etc are ranked now. other teams like old dominion and wichita state aren't ranked now, but probably will be eventually. early season rankings are not worth getting upset about. they're always 70% wrong, and will always be wrong. the good thing is that they work themselves out works itself out. gonzaga shouldn't be ranked, and they're not. sdsu should be ranked, and they are.

[PMI]

none of gonzaga's losses are bad in and of themselves, but 0-for-4 against quality teams is bad, and losing by more than twenty points to wazzu is bad. wazzu is a good team, but they're not twenty points better than an ncaa tournament caliber team. they're not quite that good. i realize that on any give night any team can be way off or way on, but gonzaga hasn't been on at all other than the game against san diego state, which they ultimately lost anyway.


This is correct. I love how so many of our posters are such apologists for the struggles of our opponents, like fake Gonzaga and Butler, all the while predicting that Xavier will not win one big game this year. "Gonzaga/Butler is talented but haven't put it together yet." They deserve the benefit of the doubt, yet we just suck. Okay. Fact is, they have been just as unimpressive as us and about 300 other teams so far. Is losing by 20 to Washington State that much better than losing by 9 to a Miami team that wasn't missing at home? I just don't get it.

This isn't directed at anyone in general, but I think those of you know who you are.

[Masterofreality]

none of gonzaga's losses are bad in and of themselves, but 0-for-4 against quality teams is bad, and losing by more than twenty points to wazzu is bad. wazzu is a good team, but they're not twenty points better than an ncaa tournament caliber team. they're not quite that good..

Wazzu was sub 100 rpi before last night. They're 96 now. So, right on point, brew. It wasn't like Gone-zags lost to the 1972 UCLA Bruins.

[danaandvictory]

The Zags have talent but the execution isn't there. They are capable of beating good teams but just haven't figured out how to put it together. The losses were all to very good to great teams. SDSU and K St are final 4 contenders. The other 2 are very strong as well.

Sounds like a certain team that was 8-5 last season around this time.

[xubrew]

Wazzu was sub 100 rpi before last night. They're 96 now. So, right on point, brew. It wasn't like Gone-zags lost to the 1972 UCLA Bruins.

we're still at a point to where individual opponents have a bigger impact on the rpi than the actual team does, so wazzu's rpi is more a reflection of their schedule than them. they're better than 96th. they're not top fifteen good, but they're a solid ncaa tournament team. they lost a close game to kansas state despite shooting themselves in the foot over and over again. if a team can have that much room for improvement, and still almost beat kansas state, they're no slouch.

but...still. they're not good enough to routinely blow out anyone that is a solid ncaa team, which probably means gonzaga isn't one...at least not right now.

[vee4xu]

Gonzaga is to pre-season basketball polling what Notre Dame is to pre-season football polling.

[XUOWNSUC]

Gonzaga is to pre-season basketball polling what Notre Dame is to pre-season football polling.

ND wasn't ranked going into this season.

[vee4xu]

ND wasn't ranked going into this season.

Thanks, I realize that. Just making a general comment about what normally happens. Certainly there are exceptions.

[XUOWNSUC]

Thanks, I realize that. Just making a general comment about what normally happens. Certainly there are exceptions.

I know I'm being a bit chippy but they weren't ranked in the pre-season in 2008 either. The truth is they are not ranked in the pre-season every year. It's just another generalization that ND haters like to put out there.

[vee4xu]

Just in case you're inference to hatred includes me, for the record, I am not an ND hater. I don't root for them, but I don't hate them. Not suggesting you were referring to me, but just covering my bases.

[waggy]

I'll be pullling for Gonzaga tonight against ND.

[XUOWNSUC]

I'll be pullling for Gonzaga tonight against ND.

Me too.

[Masterofreality]

Well, the cute zags go down again. I really wanted both teams to lose.

But they tried hard, I'll give them that. Trying hard but losing- especially to a Big Greased team- helps you in the voting polls, it seems like. They'll probably be ranked #4 in the B-Espn Coaches poll next week. They do have 4 of their next five games on the four letter network in some form.

Gotta pump those ratings.

[xudash]

Well, the cute zags go down again. I really wanted both teams to lose.

But they tried hard, I'll give them that. Trying hard but losing- especially to a Big Greased team- helps you in the voting polls, it seems like. They'll probably be ranked #4 in the B-Espn Coaches poll next week. They do have 4 of their next five games on the four letter network in some form.

Gotta pump those ratings.

Some comments on the Domer's board suggests that Gone zagging definitely is not firing on all cylinders at this point.

[X-band '01]

Gonzaga has one notable win this season in Marquette, but they'll still be favored against Xavier in the Kennel.

[madness31]

The Gonzaga preseason ranking made sense to me but they are simply playing bad basketball right now. Unless they dominate the rest of the season they should not be in the tourney. Butler's preseason ranking never made sense. They don't have enough talent to beat good teams this year.

[gladdenguy]

The Gonzaga preseason ranking made sense to me but they are simply playing bad basketball right now. Unless they dominate the rest of the season they should not be in the tourney. Butler's preseason ranking never made sense. They don't have enough talent to beat good teams this year.

Your comments make me dumber. Quit watching and posting about college basketball.