Chris Thomas (Commit Other)

[NY44]

BTW the people who were on the "rankings don't matter" side of the argument aren't allowed to get excited. He's just another prospect right? Right? Didn't think so...

Rankings (especially ESPN's) are an untrustworthy gauge of a player and their upside. According to ESPN Kenny is a 95 rating and the 55th best player in his class, while Tu Holloway is a 76 rating and unranked. As you can see what they do in our program matters, not what they did in high school.

[Xavier]

Rankings (especially ESPN's) are an untrustworthy gauge of a player and their upside. According to ESPN Kenny is a 95 rating and the 55th best player in his class, while Tu Holloway is a 76 rating and unranked. As you can see what they do in our program matters, not what they did in high school.

So you really aren't too excited about ESPN ranking Xaviers recruiting class as 14th in the nation, right?

[SixFig]

Rankings (especially ESPN's) are an untrustworthy gauge of a player and their upside. According to ESPN Kenny is a 95 rating and the 55th best player in his class, while Tu Holloway is a 76 rating and unranked. As you can see what they do in our program matters, not what they did in high school.

You're right. Let's not take Thomas and recruit the 6th guy off the bench at Mayberry High School. Rankings and opinions of experts don't matter, just what happens at XU

[BlueGuy]

We get a commitment from a highly ranked recruit and everyone loses there sh!t. Instead of being happy, we all immediately begin arguing with each other. Gotta love the off season.



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[Muskied]

i don't know what we're yelling about!!!!!

[NY44]

You're right. Let's not take Thomas and recruit the 6th guy off the bench at Mayberry High School. Rankings and opinions of experts don't matter, just what happens at XU

Yes, exactly what I was saying, glad you got it.

[NY44]

So you really aren't too excited about ESPN ranking Xaviers recruiting class as 14th in the nation, right?

It's exciting but it really doesn't mean much. St. John's had the #3 recruiting class last year, a lot can happen.

I'm with waggy on this one. It's a two day old VERBAL commitment and there are 20 pages talking about him. It's great that a kid this good would commit to X, but its a long road until he is even on Campus, let alone positively impacting this team.

[GIMMFD]

It's exciting but it really doesn't mean much. St. John's had the #3 recruiting class last year, a lot can happen.

I'm with waggy on this one. It's a two day old VERBAL commitment and there are 20 pages talking about him. It's great that a kid this good would commit to X, but its a long road until he is even on Campus, let alone positively impacting this team.

St. John's was really young, they started 5 Freshman, nobody expected them to be amazing, but they had good players, Harkless, Harrison, etc. They will be pretty good here in a couple years..

[nuts4xu]

Giggity! Giggity!

Goo!

[kmcrawfo]

This is one of the most bizarre threads I had ever read on this site.

X just got a committment from a player regarded as the best shooting guard in the country. It does not matter if he pans out or not...

The fact is they got a top-5 recruit.... period.

This a major, big deal.

Not a single negative thing about. Even if he is a bust (not likely) it is still major to get a commitment from someone who was also considering Kansas, Kentucky, Arizona, etc....

This is awesome no matter how you slice/dice it....

Happy Easter!!!

[GoMuskies]

It does not matter if he pans out or not...


Yeah, I think that matters a lot.

[markchal]

I love it because it's given us a 20-page thread in the offseason and it's not about someone trying to steal our coach. This is awesome.

[Art Vandelay]

And, if you aren't concerned with what others think, why do you care what bleedxblue says?

hey man I was just asking a question, I was curious

[jhelmes37]

I say we use a regular biscuit. Not a breadstick, or even a piece of bread. I can pick one up from KFC if you want me to. Does anybody else have an opinion? I WILL NOT lose again, though. Sorry, guys.

[NY44]

St. John's was really young, they started 5 Freshman, nobody expected them to be amazing, but they had good players, Harkless, Harrison, etc. They will be pretty good here in a couple years..

Mo Harkless who was the team's one bright spot is gone, so its another year of waiting. Amir Garrett, Norvel Pelle and JaKarr Sampson didn't pass through the clearinghouse. I'll say it again, a lot can happen. Verbal commitments are as we all know very weak (DSR), I'll at least wait for his LOI before I freak out about this.


X just got a committment from a player regarded as the best shooting guard in the country. It does not matter if he pans out or not...
Not a single negative thing about. Even if he is a bust (not likely) it is still major to get a commitment from someone who was also considering Kansas, Kentucky, Arizona, etc....
Happy Easter!!!

It does matter if he pans out. This thread is so huge just off the thought of him panning out. I agree it is a great verbal commitment, I just want to remind you that Kentucky has yet to give him an offer.

[HuskyMuskie]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/loud-noises.jpg

[GIMMFD]

Mo Harkless who was the team's one bright spot is gone, so its another year of waiting. Amir Garrett, Norvel Pelle and JaKarr Sampson didn't pass through the clearinghouse. I'll say it again, a lot can happen. Verbal commitments are as we all know very weak (DSR), I'll at least wait for his LOI before I freak out about this..

Even then though, St. John's roster I believe have 8 Freshman on it? (Don't quote me on that) of course they are going to be young, and even though Harkless left, Harrison can still play, Harrison was the leading scorer on that team, and they played some tough games against a few quality opponents.

Now, I know what you're saying, we shouldn't all cream our pants until the LOI is signed and he's on campus, but I just think what Coach Mack, and Coach Davis did is huge, getting a top ten ranked prospect is good for program exposure, and down the line could lead to commitments from other star prospects (I'm looking at you Dakari..), Domino Effect baby. Let's just celebrate this small step, and hope that we continue to see more recruiting progressions. That is all.

[Juice]

Mo Harkless who was the team's one bright spot is gone, so its another year of waiting. Amir Garrett, Norvel Pelle and JaKarr Sampson didn't pass through the clearinghouse. I'll say it again, a lot can happen. Verbal commitments are as we all know very weak (DSR), I'll at least wait for his LOI before I freak out about this.



It does matter if he pans out. This thread is so huge just off the thought of him panning out. I agree it is a great verbal commitment, I just want to remind you that Kentucky has yet to give him an offer.

Amir Garret did play in the 2nd half of the year.

[kmcrawfo]

Yeah, I think that matters a lot.

At this very moment.... It does not matter if he pans out. That is what you and others are failing to see.

The point is that Xavier received a commitment from a player that in the past they would never have been remotely competing for.

That is ALL that matters at this specific period of time. Xavier went after a top-5 guy who was being actively recruited by Kansas, Kentucky, etc and got him.

Period....

Why create a hypothetical, negative situation that does not, at this time, exist?

How could anyone possibly see/argue anything negative about this at this point in time?

[xudash]

At this very moment.... It does not matter if he pans out. That is what you and others are failing to see.

The point is that Xavier received a commitment from a player that in the past they would never have been remotely competing for.

That is ALL that matters at this specific period of time. Xavier went after a top-5 guy who was being actively recruited by Kansas, Kentucky, etc and got him.

Period....

Why create a hypothetical, negative situation that does not, at this time, exist?

How could anyone possibly see/argue anything negative about this at this point in time?

+1

That's right.

One step at a time with this, and we won the first step.

[GoMuskies]

I am not making anything into a negative (or missing anything). If he doesn't pan out (or show up), him committing to us means squat.

[xudash]

I am not making anything into a negative (or missing anything). If he doesn't pan out (or show up), him committing to us means squat.

Your opinion. No problem.

You believe it will mean squat if he never plays.

Some of us believes it means squat because of Mack's ability to secure a recruit of that caliber, and for the signal it sends to the recruiting marketplace.

[GoMuskies]

Fair enough. I think we're well beyond needing moral victories around recruiting.

[muskienick]

Fair enough. I think we're well beyond needing moral victories around recruiting.

The point that Dash and others are trying to make is that we have never before had a "moral victory" of this magnitude. The fact is that:
He has been ranked among the TOP FIVE recruits in the Nation
He has been ranked the top player at his position.
He has verbally commited to Xavier University, the first such high-ranking player in our school's history to commit to our Men's Basketball Program.

Can't we just be happy about such a milestone for a short while?

Can't the stark realists hold back on their antithises of sugar plums and Horatio Alger urgings for a week or two while we soak up the warmth from this first-time occurrence?

Right now we really are not interested in hearing that our chances of seeing Chris perform as Muskie are not great or that such a commitment can't have a positive effect on how other top prospects will view Xavier as a possible destination.

We just want to luxuriate in the splendor of the feeling for a few days without having people throw ice water in our faces or slapping us across the cheek to bring us out of our collective stupors of happiness.

Is that too much to ask?

[GoMuskies]

All that is great. If he shows up at Xavier and plays like his billing, it will be a great thing. If he never shows up, it doesn't mean a damned thing. It would be about as exciting as LaSalle getting a commitment from Kobe Bryant.

I'm thrilled that if he plays in college it will be for Xavier. But if he doesn't ever play for Xavier, no, I don't think this will be some landmark occurrence that will have some sweeping positive effect on the program going forward.

I am glad this news has given some of you such joy, though.

[MADXSTER]

all that is great. If he shows up at xavier and plays like his billing, it will be a great thing. If he never shows up, it doesn't mean a damned thing. It would be about as exciting as lasalle getting a commitment from kobe bryant.

I'm thrilled that if he plays in college it will be for xavier. But if he doesn't ever play for xavier, no, i don't think this will be some landmark occurrence that will have some sweeping positive effect on the program going forward.

I am glad this news has given some of you such joy, though.

kill joy!

[LA Muskie]

There is some downside if he never shows: he will likely scare off other 3's in the 2013 and 2014 classes, if we're even recruiting them anymore. But that comes with the territory. We'd all obviously prefer the LOI, but he can't sign one yet. (Does anyone know if he ever signed one in HS? If so, he can't sign one at all.) At this point, he's made the strongest commitment he's allowed to make to us. For that, we should be happy. At minimum, cautiously optimistic. Certainly not down about it.

[xavierj]

He will either be at Xavier or the nba. He won't be anywhere else. Chances are very good he will be Xavier's starting 2 guard in 2 years. That group will be nasty.

[SixFig]

He will either be at Xavier or the nba. He won't be anywhere else. Chances are very good he will be Xavier's starting 2 guard in 2 years. That group will be nasty.

Indeed. Semaj, Thomas, Wells, Reynolds, Philmore, Martin, D Davis, M Davis, and Farr. Pretty much all former top 100ish recruits.

Let's add a couple from the group of Austin Colbert, Greg McClinton, Kennedy Meeks and Devin Williams and we can call it a helluva team!

[XUFan09]

He has not signed any LOI before, so yes, he will be able to sign this November. The kid cares about loyalty and strong relationships, which Xavier has given him over everyone else, so it is a really strong verbal. The only question, which Xavierj alluded to, is whether he will play D1 ball. If he does, I'm 90% confident that it will be in a Xavier uniform.

[Benxman]

Indeed. Semaj, Thomas, Wells, Reynolds, Philmore, Martin, D Davis, M Davis, and Farr. Pretty much all former top 100ish recruits.

Let's add a couple from the group of Austin Colbert, Greg McClinton, Kennedy Meeks and Devin Williams and we can call it a helluva team!

You got it Six Fig. That would be on helluva team. I keep pinching myself over Chris Thomas committing, but then I think of DeVauntes Rivera-Smith last year and I come to and remind myself to not get excited until I see that the kid has signed his LOI. Still, it is exciting.

GO MUSKIES!

:sword:

[GIMMFD]

You got it Six Fig. That would be on helluva team. I keep pinching myself over Chris Thomas committing, but then I think of DeVauntes Rivera-Smith last year and I come to and remind myself to not get excited until I see that the kid has signed his LOI. Still, it is exciting.

GO MUSKIES!

:sword:

I think we panned out better without Rivera-Smith, I like Semaj a lot more than Rivera-Smith...

[DezDispenser]

Can anyone name a JUCO player in the last couple of years that lept straight from the NJCAA to the NBA?

[Charlesbt4]

Can anyone name a JUCO player in the last couple of years that lept straight from the NJCAA to the NBA?

I can't name any in the past couple of years. However, Stephen Jackson went from playing at Butler Community College to being drafted by the Phoenix Suns in the 1997 NBA Draft.

There are a few reasons that I don't believe players used to go from the NJCAA to the NBA and, most certainly, don't anymore:

(1) Prior to 2006, the NBA did not have a draft age rule. Thus, players that could not academically qualify for the NCAA, but were talented enough to play in the NBA, declared for the draft. Those players that could not academically qualify for the NCAA, but were not talented enough to play in the NBA, went to the NJCAA with the intent of meeting the NCAA academic qualifications and transferring.

(2) The NCAA still allows waivers of academic qualifications (what used to be known as "partial qualifiers"), in which players retain four years of athletic eligibility, but are ineligible to play collegiate athletics for one year, and whose future eligibility to determined by academic progress. To me, it would seem that this option, more often than not, is exercised by players with NBA potential for a whole host of reasons. As such, those players never end up playing in the NJCAA and, therefore, don't go directly from the NJCAA to the NBA.

Just my two cents.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

This short video shows how explosive his game is offensively. Effortlessly hits 5 threes in the 2nd half in a variety of fashion(pull up, off the dribble,step back)Takes over this championship game in the second half vs Shabazz Mohammed and some top flight players:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8NFA563EjE

Haven't watched this but Here's a full game of South Kent vs Primetime(He's #11). Has a rebound, gets it to his PG sprints down the court, Guard hits him, one dribble pullup just inside 3 at :55 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91CRx3pbdlM&feature=related

[Xman95]

Doesn't look like he has the prettiest shot in the world, but the results are good! Actually, his game seems a little awkward, but productive...if that makes sense. Hell, it didn't seem like anyone was able to stop him, so that's a good thing! (Granted, we are watching highlight videos.)

Does seem like Mr. Thomas will need to put in a little more effort on the defensive end. But, again, we're talking about highlight videos from games where defense is usually just a rumor. I'm sure Mack will have him playing D.

Really looking forward to seeing Christon, Thomas and Wells on the floor together. Could be a 1, 2, 3 of future NBA players. WOW!!

[More Cowbell]

There was one clip of him embarrassing Nerlens Noel.

[smileyy]

Can anyone name a JUCO player in the last couple of years that lept straight from the NJCAA to the NBA?

Why did I think Amar'e Stoudemire did a year at Junior college? Did I totally make that up?

[GoMuskies]

Why did I think Amar'e Stoudemire did a year at Junior college? Did I totally make that up?

Not sure if you made it up, but it didn't happen. You'll be shocked, I'm sure, that he committed to (and I believe signed with) Calipari before going straight to the NBA.

[Xman95]

Why did I think Amar'e Stoudemire did a year at Junior college? Did I totally make that up?

Because he committed to Calipari and that's essentially what that guy runs.

[LA Muskie]

Because he committed to Calipari and that's essentially what that guy runs.
Naw... Junior College is TWO years...

[bobbiemcgee]

AS went to six high schools and had some troubles with the law. There was no way he could have qualified for college. The Magic could have got him for a song but backed off. Another great move.

[Xman95]

AS went to six high schools and had some troubles with the law. There was no way he could have qualified for college.

And Derrick Rose couldn't pass an entrance exam so there's no way he would qualify either!

[wkrq59]

I think we panned out better without Rivera-Smith, I like Semaj a lot more than Rivera-Smith...

ESPN has consistently said the kid's name is Smith-Rivera and when he committed to Xavier it was Smith-Rivera. Has he changed his name to Rivera-Smith or is it still Smith-Rivera????:confused:

[GIMMFD]

ESPN has consistently said the kid's name is Smith-Rivera and when he committed to Xavier it was Smith-Rivera. Has he changed his name to Rivera-Smith or is it still Smith-Rivera????:confused:

Smith-Rivera, I'm sorry! Honest mistake. But seriously, wouldn't you rather have Semaj?

[bigdiggins]

ESPN has consistently said the kid's name is Smith-Rivera and when he committed to Xavier it was Smith-Rivera. Has he changed his name to Rivera-Smith or is it still Smith-Rivera????:confused:

He's not coming to X so why should we care what the proper way to say his name is. I haven't learned the name of anyone enrolling at UD next year either.

[pickledpigsfeet]

Can anyone name a JUCO player in the last couple of years that lept straight from the NJCAA to the NBA?

There was a guy that the Celtics took with the 11th overall pick 5-7 years ago but that's the only one that comes to mind and I can't remember his name as he fizzled out pretty quickly.

[Xman95]

JUCO is still a better route to the NBA than going to dayton.

[GoMuskies]

JUCO is still a better route to the NBA than going to dayton.

So is going to Western Carolina. Talk about setting the bar impossibly low!

[MADXSTER]

JUCO is still a better route to the NBA than going to dayton.

So is playing with yourself........basketball that is.

[Xman95]

So is playing with yourself........basketball that is.

Playing with yourself in general is still better. Have you seen some of the women that have been at dayton? I'm mean, seriously...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xPNnX14ZwZc/SBZbpqXmuEI/AAAAAAAAAYc/R6nV2-uvk04/s400/lowery.jpg

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/dayt/sports/m-baskbl/auto_headshot/3625430.jpeg

[smileyy]

Don Imus agrees!

[Xman95]

Don Imus agrees!

Hell, the country would have been behind Imus 100% if he ripped on Lowery and Warren! I don't think most flyer fans liked them!

[smileyy]

Are those actually Dayton men's players? I'm not familiar with them enough to know. If so, public reps...I get the joke now.

[Xman95]

Are those actually Dayton men's players? I'm not familiar with them enough to know. If so, public reps...I get the joke now.

Yes, the first is Rob Lowery and the second is London Warren.

[FMNP]

Per my sources, with Rasheen gone look for Chris Thomas to de commit.

FMNP

[GoMuskies]

Per my sources, with Rasheen gone look for Chris Thomas to de commit.

FMNP

Even if he does, think how HUGE it was for the program that he committed in the first place!

/sarcasm

[Juice]

Per my sources, with Rasheen gone look for Chris Thomas to de commit.

FMNP

Is this the news tweeted by Rick Broering about more movement at XU?

[DezDispenser]

Why is Rasheen gone again?

[xu15]

Per my sources, with Rasheen gone look for Chris Thomas to de commit.

FMNP

Rasheen's gone?

[BMoreX]

This week blows.

[drudy23]

What in the eff is going on with their athletic communications?

[Charlesbt4]

In a bizarre turn of events, it appears that Davis will be taking his talents to Manhattan College.

[ammtd34]

Oh boy.

[drudy23]

So now we have two potential transfers leaving, a coach that is longer here, a top recruit de-committing...anything else?

How can we know all of this before the school announces it? Whoever runs their PR/communications needs a good talkin to.

[drudy23]

In a bizarre turn of events, it appears that Davis will be taking his talents to Manhattan College.

Myles Davis or Dee Davis?

[GoMuskies]

Myles Davis or Dee Davis?

Rasheen?

[xu15]

Myles Davis or Dee Davis?

I think he means Rasheen, so cross one off that list. Still really sucks.

[Charlesbt4]

Rasheen.

[xu15]

Rasheen.

Well this week sucks

[Just4now]

He hasnt officially decommitted has he?

[xu15]

He hasnt officially decommitted has he?

No but Rasheen was the reason he committed here. Maybe we can hold on to him, but I doubt it...

[LA Muskie]

He hasnt officially decommitted has he?
There's nothing for him to "officially" do. He was only a verbal. That alone is not "official". But reports are that it will be next to impossible to keep Thomas.

I really didn't think we'd ever see Thomas, regardless. But losing Rasheen is a big loss -- in my eyes, a bigger loss than Lyons. I'm sure Myles isn't happy, and I'm sure this will affect a number of our 2013 recruits as well.

This is now two assistants to leave for either no job at all (Pat) or a lesser job (Rasheen). That is not a good sign.

[SixFig]

TIMEOUT!

1 poster (FMNP which stands for Fire Mack Now Please) posts something out of nowhere and suddenly it is certifiably true???

[Backyard Champ]

I wonder why Rasheen is out. He was huge in getting a lot of our "stud" recruits.

[Just4now]

So is Rasheen out? Hate to ask so many questions but I am lost? Is this just rumors or facts?

[xu15]

TIMEOUT!

1 poster (FMNP which stands for Fire Mack Now Please) posts something out of nowhere and suddenly it is certifiably true???

Thank you. Can anybody confirm this?

[Titanxman04]

According to my source, his source hs confirmed tht Rasheen is out, and to expect Thomas to decomit. Also, tht Myles is it happy. While FMNP is a tool due to is name, alone, he does have the right of it here, it seems.

[xuwillie]

Rasheen is leaving. And he was the only reason Chris Thomas was coming.

[LA Muskie]

Thank you. Can anybody confirm this?
I don't think it's been confirmed yet (either), but premium sites are sort of confirming that the rumors are based in some degree of fact. (My guess is that means that they have heard the rumors from good sources themselves, but have not yet confirmed the facts.)

[Just4now]

Per my sources, with Rasheen gone look for Chris Thomas to de commit.

FMNP

Tell me this is not what we are all freaking out about? Some guy with 50 posts just saying it? I already feel better.

[Backyard Champ]

If all is true, I really hope Myles still comes to X. I really think he will be a stud. I don't think we have a chance at Thomas if Rasheen is gone.

[Just4now]

I don't think it's been confirmed yet (either), but premium sites are sort of confirming that the rumors are based in some degree of fact. (My guess is that means that they have heard the rumors from good sources themselves, but have not yet confirmed the facts.)

Too much he said she said for me. I will believe it when there is a release.

[xu15]

If all is true, I really hope Myles still comes to X. I really think he will be a stud. I don't think we have a chance at Thomas if Rasheen is gone.

Didn't Myles already sign though....I think we just have to hope he enjoys next year. There will be a good opportunity for lots of PT, that's for sure

[drudy23]

I don't get it....my recruiter left, so I'm leaving?

Makes no sense to me, but whatever.

Don't these kids realize that once they're on campus, the head coach runs the show anyway? What would Rasheen do once he was here to keep him happy?

Basing your decision to leave on that is just weird to me.

[ammtd34]

If all is true, I really hope Myles still comes to X. I really think he will be a stud. I don't think we have a chance at Thomas if Rasheen is gone.

LOI is signed, correct?

[Xavier]

I don't get it....my recruiter left, so I'm leaving?

Makes no sense to me, but whatever.

Don't these kids realize that once they're on campus, the head coach runs the show anyway? What would Rasheen do once he was here to keep him happy?

Basing your decision to leave on that is just weird to me.

Well, in an article a few weeks back when he verbally committed- he said the reason he wanted Xavier was because Coach Davis followed him and was always there for him (he went to multiple high schools)- he said he felt most comfortable with Davis. It sounded like a case where he was committing more to Davis than to Xavier

[Backyard Champ]

I don't get it....my recruiter left, so I'm leaving?

Makes no sense to me, but whatever.

Don't these kids realize that once they're on campus, the head coach runs the show anyway? What would Rasheen do once he was here to keep him happy?

Basing your decision to leave on that is just weird to me.

I'm not exactly positive how recruiting works, but I'm pretty sure one assistant is a primary recruiter of these kids. If a player gets really close to that said recruiter, he feels like he has someone he can trust and a "friend" at the University. When their friend leaves, that University doesn't seem so appealing any more.

Personally, I think that is what could be a big issue with Mack being a head coach right now. He still has recruits that were his "friend" first, and it's tough to change and be the tough guy (head coach.) Then again, I could be way off base on that, just seems like that's the way things work now.

[Backyard Champ]

LOI is signed, correct?

Yes, but if he wanted to go elsewhere, I don't see Xavier not letting him out of his LOI. That would make Xavier look worse than it already does with this whole year panning out. Think about how bad Wisconsin looked because they wouldn't allow their player to go to certain schools.

[FoundingFather]

No LOI signed. Only a verbal. Cannot sign until Nov.

[GoMuskies]

No LOI signed. Only a verbal. Cannot sign until Nov.

They're talking about Myles Davis with regard to the LOI. And he has signed.

[DC Muskie]

No LOI signed. Only a verbal. Cannot sign until Nov.

He's talking about Myles. He will be on campus a few months by the time November rolls around.

[FoundingFather]

Apologies, too much stuff to read today with whats going on. Thought we were still on Thomas.

[FMNP]

According to my source, his source hs confirmed tht Rasheen is out, and to expect Thomas to decomit. Also, tht Myles is it happy. While FMNP is a tool due to is name, alone, he does have the right of it here, it seems.

Um thanks?

[LA Muskie]

Too much he said she said for me. I will believe it when there is a release.

If you wish to stick your head in the sand until the XU machine churns out a press release, then so be it.

[boozehound]

Yes, but if he wanted to go elsewhere, I don't see Xavier not letting him out of his LOI. That would make Xavier look worse than it already does with this whole year panning out. Think about how bad Wisconsin looked because they wouldn't allow their player to go to certain schools.

I don't think so.

It's a common practice to let recruits out of their LOI when the head coach changes. I don't think I've seen that happen for assistant coaches leaving though. I would expect Myles Davis to be a Musketeer next season.

[LA Muskie]

I don't think so.

It's a common practice to let recruits out of their LOI when the head coach changes. I don't think I've seen that happen for assistant coaches leaving though. I would expect Myles Davis to be a Musketeer next season.
I'm pretty sure that if he asked, we'd let him out. There's little benefit to keeping a player who doesn't want to be there, much less dealing with the negative PR of it all.

That said, he'd have to sit out a year even if released.

Word is that Myles is unhappy (as you would expect), but has known for a few days and has always been excited to be a Muskie. I'm sure that it'll be a shock to his system, but I doubt he'll ask for his release.

[Backyard Champ]

I don't think so.

It's a common practice to let recruits out of their LOI when the head coach changes. I don't think I've seen that happen for assistant coaches leaving though. I would expect Myles Davis to be a Musketeer next season.

So you think if Myles asked out, Xavier would deny it? That would not look good for future recruits, IMO.

[TUclutch]

I don't think so.

It's a common practice to let recruits out of their LOI when the head coach changes. I don't think I've seen that happen for assistant coaches leaving though. I would expect Myles Davis to be a Musketeer next season.

Since when is Myles Davis not happy? Just because Rasheen is leaving?

[mistabeecee41]

I'm pretty sure that if he asked, we'd let him out. There's little benefit to keeping a player who doesn't want to be there, much less dealing with the negative PR of it all.

That said, he'd have to sit out a year even if released.

Word is that Myles is unhappy (as you would expect), but has known for a few days and has always been excited to be a Muskie. I'm sure that it'll be a shock to his system, but I doubt he'll ask for his release.

Went to Myles twitter page and this was posted 18 seconds ago... time to silence that gossip.

myles davis ‏ @mdavis15
Of course i an excited RT @NickTheStick88: @mdavis15 Hope you're still excited to come to X - can't wait for you to get here.

[GIMMFD]

Went to Myles twitter page and this was posted 18 seconds ago... time to silence that gossip.

myles davis ‏ @mdavis15
Of course i an excited RT @NickTheStick88: @mdavis15 Hope you're still excited to come to X - can't wait for you to get here.

That's good to see, also the substance to the Rasheen Davis thing leaving, do we have this in facts?

[LA Muskie]

That's good to see, also the substance to the Rasheen Davis thing leaving, do we have this in facts?
No facts but premium reporters are tacitly confirming it.

[GIMMFD]

No facts but premium reporters are tacitly confirming it.

What a wonderful two days we've had huh?

[LA Muskie]

What a wonderful two days we've had huh?
Seriously! I can't believe how much Bobo was holding back when we were shooting the shit last Friday! Guy's got a poker face...

[boozehound]

I never really expected Chris Thomas to make it to campus (for any one of several reasons) so I can't say I really care too much about this.

[#BeatUC]

wait why is rasheen gone?

[smileyy]

wait why is rasheen gone?

He got a better job offer somewhere else?

[bobbiemcgee]

I can't see Thomas playing for Manhattan. But can't see him playing for X either. Probably worth a trip to Fla. tho.

[CinciX12]

Lyons gone, Davis gone, most likely Chris Thomas gone.

[NY44]

I'm with waggy on this one. It's a two day old VERBAL commitment and there are 20 pages talking about him. It's great that a kid this good would commit to X, but its a long road until he is even on Campus, let alone positively impacting this team.

That is all.

[TUclutch]

Lyons gone, Davis gone, most likely Chris Thomas gone.

Chris Thomas isn't gone until he decommits

[GIMMFD]

That is all.

Lol oh come on, like you saw Davis going to Manhattan...

[NY44]

Lol oh come on, like you saw Davis going to Manhattan...

Of course I didn't. BUT this is why you don't freak out about a verbal commitment, a lot can happen.

[DC Muskie]

There goes our shot at a solidly balanced team!

[NY44]

There goes our shot at a solidly balanced team!

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/michael_scott/The-Office-gifs-the-office-14948948-240-196.gif

[Just4now]

I am not convinced that Thomas is definitely out of the equation. Where else is he considering? This may be a Lance Stephonson type of deal where people know how good he could be but will still stay away from him. If we think we can control him for a year or two it may be his best option.

[XUFan09]

I am not convinced that Thomas is definitely out of the equation. Where else is he considering? This may be a Lance Stephonson type of deal where people know how good he could be but will still stay away from him. If we think we can control him for a year or two it may be his best option.

You're right that people might still be hesitant with him, but it does not appear to be a Lance Stephenson type of deal, at least not at the same level At times he has a problematic on-court attitude, definitely, but off-court it has been grades and the maturity issues associated with that. I mean, if someone knows behavior-related issues off-court, please let us know. I've been asking anyone that mentions such a thing, and so far, at least, it seems to be conjecture from on-court attitude that turned into fact by being repeated enough times.

Concerning his commitment, it will be tough to keep him, but a decommitment is not a guarantee (Watch, as I say that, we'll get an announcement...). He cares about loyalty; Rasheen was the only consistent presence in his recruitment, but that has suddenly changed. Hopefully, Mack developed a strong enough relationship with him in that time too, and Thomas understood Rasheen's consistent presence to also be Xavier's consistent presence.

[paulxu]

I mean, if someone knows behavior-related issues off-court, please let us know. I've been asking anyone that mentions such a thing, and so far, at least, it seems to be conjecture from on-court attitude that turned into fact by being repeated enough times.

Now where have I seen that before? Hmmmm.

[PMI]

To me, whether or not we still have a shot with Thomas comes down to whatever the reason Davis left for is. The kid is obviously close with him, so if Davis' departure involves any friction whatsoever between he and Xavier, I would imagine Thomas will verbally de-commit. Even if we never know if that's the case or not, Thomas will. I would expect he's out of the picture now, honestly, but it would be a little easier to swallow, I guess, considering that there was never really any guarantee he was going to play at Xavier, or any D1 school, anyway.

[Muskiefornia]

I feel a fresh thread is called for.

From Zagoria:

"Chris Thomas' grandmother tells @SNYtv he is still committed to Xavier despite coach Davis leaving for Manhattan"

[xu15]

According to Adam Zagoria, Chris Thomas' grandmother says he is still committed to X despite Davis leaving. Can't post the link but he just tweeted it.

[Cheesehead]

That's nice to hear but until he signs I am not holding my breath. I hope it works out.

[xu15]

That's nice to hear but until he signs I am not holding my breath. I hope it works out.

Absolutely agree with you there. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

[Xman95]

According to Adam Zagoria, Chris Thomas' grandmother says he is still committed to X despite Davis leaving. Can't post the link but he just tweeted it.

That would be great news. Maybe he really has developed a great relationship with Mack and the team, allowing him to be comfortable here without Sheen. And maybe Sheen even spoke with him and told him to honor the commitment because it will still be a great place for him.

Of course, based on what we've all seen over the last few years, I won't truly believe Thomas will play for X until he signs.

[xudash]

That would be great news. Maybe he really has developed a great relationship with Mack and the team, allowing him to be comfortable here without Sheen. And maybe Sheen even spoke with him and told him to honor the commitment because it will still be a great place for him.

Of course, based on what we've all seen over the last few years, I won't truly believe Thomas will play for X until he signs.

I'm banking on that, because Sheen was selling him on that very idea all along. What could he possibly say differently now without hurting his credibility.

[XMuskieFTW]

seeing that tweet was a bit of a sigh of relief for me

[Retire FiftyTu]

There is too much that could possibly happen in the next year to make me believe that Thomas will suit up for X. This time last year, I don't think any of our 2012 recruits were committed, and we were still holding out hope for DSR. Until he signs, I am about 30-40% towards him being a muskie, now that Davis has left. I still hope he comes here, however.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

There is too much that could possibly happen in the next year to make me believe that Thomas will suit up for X. This time last year, I don't think any of our 2012 recruits were committed, and we were still holding out hope for DSR. Until he signs, I am about 30-40% towards him being a muskie, now that Davis has left. I still hope he comes here, however.

Grandmother's recruits tweeting intent of attendence... my Xavier graduate grandfather is rolling over in his grave asking; WTF is a "tweet" and why is this kid's grandmother "tweeting" where everyone can see? Holy shit we can see her tweets!!!

[Jumpy]

There is too much that could possibly happen in the next year to make me believe that Thomas will suit up for X. This time last year, I don't think any of our 2012 recruits were committed, and we were still holding out hope for DSR. Until he signs, I am about 30-40% towards him being a muskie, now that Davis has left. I still hope he comes here, however.

Agreed. The kid remains committed until he isn't. This far away from his scheduled arrival on campus, I see many more reasons why he wouldn't end up in a X uni than why he would.

[bobbiemcgee]

I have the ultimate faith in granma's tweet. Big donor's have told me not to worry.:D

[GIMMFD]

Well I'm glad he's still committed, and hopefully it stays and we have the best damn backcourt to start out in 2013 with Thomas - Dez - and Semaj.. that is if the world doesn't end.. :eek:

[MADXSTER]

Chris' recruitment has been a roller coaster ride.

It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at X simple because he and his grandmother are done with the ride and just want to move forward.

[PMI]

And right when I was really starting to buy into MHettel's conspiracy theory regarding Sheen and Thomas...

[Masterofreality]

Chris' recruitment has been a roller coaster ride.

It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at X simple because he and his grandmother are done with the ride and just want to move forward.

Well, he's too damn good to go to Manhattan.

[muskienick]

Let's let Coach Mack get our staff stabilized and then go forward from there. He should be making whatever contact is allowed with Chris Thomas and using his "Bobinski List" (targets for the next coaching vacancies on his staff) to fill the two voids.

Given the many criticisms of our supposed lack of X's and O's coaches on the staff that have been expressed on Muskie message boards over the past year or two, many might actually see this situation as a big positive for the Xavier Men's Basketball Program. The big naysayers can't have it both ways! But I will not hold my breath waiting for them to turn positive in this situation!

[drudy23]

After the season we had, you knew some type of change was coming. Well, it's here.

[DoubleD86]

Let's let Coach Mack get our staff stabilized and then go forward from there. He should be making whatever contact is allowed with Chris Thomas and using his "Bobinski List" (targets for the next coaching vacancies on his staff) to fill the two voids.

Given the many criticisms of our supposed lack of X's and O's coaches on the staff that have been expressed on Muskie message boards over the past year or two, many might actually see this situation as a big positive for the Xavier Men's Basketball Program. The big naysayers can't have it both ways! But I will not hold my breath waiting for them to turn positive in this situation!

This is the part I don't get. I spent all year reading about how X's assistants were under-qualified and the reason X wasn't living up to its potential. How X needed to get better X and O's coaches and all this.

Now those same "professional recruiter" coaches who were deemed unqualified leave and the sky is falling?

Let me be clear, I in no way think either coach was unqualified and I wish them both well in their future positions (as long as it doesn't interfere with X) but let's be realistic in our recap:
Kelsey left for a year and then became Head Coach. Remember, when he left he was a finalist for a couple Head gigs and supposedly had accepted one. He wasn't coming back to X no matter what.

Richardson took a job at a bigger, more prestigious program who can most likely pay him more, and work for a future HOF coach. That is a promotion any way you slice it.

Davis left to go home to a program where he can be around his wife and kid. Yes, this one is a bit of a head scratcher, but remember Mack did the same thing at Wake. Why is it outrageous to think Davis wants to be home and possibly in line for HC?

[MADXSTER]

Davis left to go home to a program where he can be around his wife and kid. Yes, this one is a bit of a head scratcher, but remember Mack did the same thing at Wake. Why is it outrageous to think Davis wants to be home and possibly in line for HC?

Excellent point!

[GoMuskies]

Wake to Xavier and Xavier to Manhattan are comparable career moves? In what universe?

[xu95]

I think it is cool that Charlie Sheen is talking to our commits.

[Muskeagle]

I think it is cool that Charlie Sheen is talking to our commits.

Hopefully, he doesn't give them all a Fiat!

[SlimKibbles]

Wake to Xavier and Xavier to Manhattan are comparable career moves? In what universe?

In the universe where family is a key element of the decision that was made by the individual? At least that's where I see it as comparable.

[xavierj]

Let's let Coach Mack get our staff stabilized and then go forward from there. He should be making whatever contact is allowed with Chris Thomas and using his "Bobinski List" (targets for the next coaching vacancies on his staff) to fill the two voids.

Given the many criticisms of our supposed lack of X's and O's coaches on the staff that have been expressed on Muskie message boards over the past year or two, many might actually see this situation as a big positive for the Xavier Men's Basketball Program. The big naysayers can't have it both ways! But I will not hold my breath waiting for them to turn positive in this situation!

Aww the x's and o's guy. Guess Kareem was good enough for ricky. Maybe Xavier should hire Seth Greenberg in order to satisfy the guys who need old experienced guys on the bench.

[ThePowerOfX]

With the new vacancy maybe we can hire Chris Thomas' grandma as an assistant coach, just so we can keep him locked up. No idea how good she is with X's and O's though.

[Cheesehead]

With the new vacancy maybe we can hire Chris Thomas' grandma as an assistant coach, just so we can keep him locked up. No idea how good she is with X's and O's though.

reps for you....

[Dr. X]

With the new vacancy maybe we can hire Chris Thomas' grandma as an assistant coach, just so we can keep him locked up. No idea how good she is with X's and O's though.

Maybe she'll knit the team some snazzy blue and white sweaters.

[XUFan09]

Wake to Xavier and Xavier to Manhattan are comparable career moves? In what universe?

Still not a perfect parallel but the Wake team that Mack left was preseason #1, while X was...not.

[MADXSTER]

Maybe she'll knit the team some snazzy blue and white snuggies.

Fixed it for ya :)

[A10fan]

Seems Scout has an update on Chris. Any one care to paraphrase without revealing too much?

[PMI]

Basically, as of now, Thomas is still committed to Xavier according to his grandmother. Lots of time to go still but it's better than him not being verbally committed.

[SixFig]

Youtube vid of Myles Davis, Chris Thomas and Semaj Christon


link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEjbqko_3Wc&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

[PMI]

Youtube vid of Myles Davis, Chris Thomas and Semaj Christon


link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEjbqko_3Wc&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

It really is going to be so sick if we get Chris Thomas next year.

[SixFig]

It really is going to be so sick if we get Chris Thomas next year.

Maybe that is why Mark Lyons left...needed to get Thomas in here to start...

***crosses fingers***

[xufan02]

It really is going to be so sick if we get Chris Thomas next year.

Is that even a possibility?

[LA Muskie]

Is that even a possibility?

No. Not even remotely. He's a 2013 recruit.

[PMI]

No. Not even remotely. He's a 2013 recruit.

Yes, and next year is 2013. Not this coming season.

[xufan02]

Yes, and next year is 2013. Not this coming season.

The reason I ask is that Chris Thomas was an original member of the 2012 class and re-classified to 2013. If he was able to gain eligibility he could enter college this season. He already got his GED from the Chipola JC transitional program.

[A10fan]

The reason I ask is that Chris Thomas was an original member of the 2012 class and re-classified to 2013. If he was able to gain eligibility he could enter college this season. He already got his GED from the Chipola JC transitional program.

Is the staff even looking into this? First I've heard of it.

[xufan02]

Is the staff even looking into this? First I've heard of it.

I have heard nothing on this.

[PMI]

Yea, Thomas was originally in the 2012 class. I thought you are required to do two years at the JUCO level before transferring to D1 but I could be off on that. In any case, I think it's been the plan since he committed for Thomas to join as a member of the 2013 class.

[fanclub1010]

this kid can ball check the article http://www.beastfitnation.com/future-of-xavier-basketball-looks-strong-chris-thomas-highlight-tape/

[fanclub1010]

Future of Xavier basketball is strong check his video http://www.beastfitnation.com/future-of-xavier-basketball-looks-strong-chris-thomas-highlight-tape/

[ammtd34]

Never heard of him. I'll check him out.

[theleague]

Nice video, just a little disapointed they didn't show him shaking hands.

[bleedXblue]

he's not the future of Xavier basketball unitl he signs his LOI.

[LA Muskie]

he's not the future of Xavier basketball unitl he signs his LOI.
He's a JuCo with a year left to decide what he wants to do and only upside if he decides he wants to play college ball. I don't mean to sound like a negative Nelly, but why would he sign a LOI? What's in it for him? It's not like we're moving on if he doesn't...

[LA Muskie]

The reason I ask is that Chris Thomas was an original member of the 2012 class and re-classified to 2013. If he was able to gain eligibility he could enter college this season. He already got his GED from the Chipola JC transitional program.
He can't be reclassified to 2012. He didn't qualify out of HS and enrolled at JuCo so the only way he can qualify now is via JuCo -- which requires about 2 years, completion of a series of core courses, and a 2.5 GPA.

[bleedXblue]

He's a JuCo with a year left to decide what he wants to do and only upside if he decides he wants to play college ball. I don't mean to sound like a negative Nelly, but why would he sign a LOI? What's in it for him? It's not like we're moving on if he doesn't...

I agree. My point is that you cant really call him the future of Xavier basketball considering so many things can change. Doesn't he sign an LOI at some point ? Even though he's going to be a JUCO ?

[LA Muskie]

I agree. My point is that you cant really call him the future of Xavier basketball considering so many things can change. Doesn't he sign an LOI at some point ? Even though he's going to be a JUCO ?
I believe as a class of 2013 recruit he *CAN* sign a LOI in November, but he's not required to and I don't see us forcing the issue. I also agree with you that it's a bit early to be calling him the future of XU basketball. Hell, even if he signs his LOI he's in the class of players that I think we need to wait until he suits up. Too many things could keep him from every playing for us.

[PMI]

Chris Thomas: Potentially, Hopefully, Uncertainly the Future of Xavier Basketball.

[UCGRAD4X]

I agree. My point is that you cant really call him the future of Xavier basketball considering so many things can change. Doesn't he sign an LOI at some point ? Even though he's going to be a JUCO ?

Think of what has happened in just the last few weeks!

How long is most of an off-season, an entire season and another off-season in Musketeer years?

[bobbiemcgee]

gramma sez 2013:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/01/24/chris-thomas-now-at-chipola-college/

[UCGRAD4X]

gramma sez 2013

And if you can't trust gramma...

[xufan02]

He can't be reclassified to 2012. He didn't qualify out of HS and enrolled at JuCo so the only way he can qualify now is via JuCo -- which requires about 2 years, completion of a series of core courses, and a 2.5 GPA.

If what you say is true then Chris Thomas would not be eligible until mid-way through the 2013-2014 season because that would be the his two year mark. Bottomline, neither know the ins and outs of JUCO eligibility.

[bobbiemcgee]

He doesn't have to stay in CC two years. My guess is the theory here is that he can first get his GED, taking the "pass ged" and college classes at the same time, then take one year of college courses to get his college GPA established as well as get his test scores up. This will erase the probably terrible hs transcript since he will hopefully have a good college GPA.
This is where the "longshot" comes in. Has to totally change his habits and buckle down. If he otherwise just keeps hanging around until he's 19, some pro club will take a chance on him (maybe not in the US, but somebody).

His HS transcript may have been so fractured the Prep Schools told him "2 years" after this year.

[fanclub1010]

He's going to kill this season Check his highlight tape! http://www.beastfitnation.com/future-of-xavier-basketball-looks-strong-chris-thomas-highlight-tape/

[xtremefan13]

MY GOD :eek:

[Jumpy]

He comes next year, 2013-2014.

[sirthought]

You can really see this guy is comfortable with his dribble. Better than most at his level.
No defense is played in these games, but he seems good as reported. Hope he really comes to Xavier and makes some positive noise.

[DezDispenser]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loxb11wQKU1qjkyjdo1_500.gif

[Just4now]

So what is the deal. Is the issues with him being too cocky? Uncoachable? Temper? Definitely worth the risk.

[GrimeTime]

Wow... looks really quick off the dribble, and changes direction on a dime. Can he drain the long ball when the defense sags on him? I hope so! That would be a great 1-2 punch.

[MADXSTER]

So what is the deal. Is the issues with him being too cocky? Uncoachable? Temper? Definitely worth the risk.

From what I gather there are no off the court issues. He is very coachable. The problem seems to stem with arguing with refs and getting T'd up. I don't think this has really been an issue for the last 1 1/2 years but it seems to keep following him.

[Hudson]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2gtwz831.gif

[PMI]

Wow... looks really quick off the dribble, and changes direction on a dime. Can he drain the long ball when the defense sags on him? I hope so! That would be a great 1-2 punch.

Yes, he can hit the three. He's a highly elite offensive player who can score from anywhere. If we get him for a year, it's going to be a lot of fun.

[GIMMFD]

Yes, he can hit the three. He's a highly elite offensive player who can score from anywhere. If we get him for a year, it's going to be a lot of fun.

Especially if Dez is still around with Semaj, and Chris Thomas. Literally could have the best back court in the country, and would be a serious player, it's going to be interesting how the big men develop however over the course of these next two years.. boy our future looks great.

[XUFan09]

From what I gather there are no off the court issues. He is very coachable. The problem seems to stem with arguing with refs and getting T'd up. I don't think this has really been an issue for the last 1 1/2 years but it seems to keep following him.

Pretty much that, plus issues with grades that led him to the unorthodox route of going JC but in a way where he only loses one year of eligibility. I forget how it's working out like that.

[mistabeecee41]

Good lord... I have seen a crap load of quick black kids break the ankles of doomed slow white kids before, but that move at :52 is deadly.

[OH.X.MI]

Good lord... I have seen a crap load of quick black kids break the ankles of doomed slow white kids before, but that move at :52 is deadly.

That was just nasty. Loved how the guy filming couldn't keep himself from chuckling

[X-man]

Here is a recent link to what's up with Thomas this summer...http://atlantic10.scout.com/2/1202423.html. It appears that he remains committed to the Muskies even without Rasheen, and that he will be a very exciting player to watch continue to develop as a scoring machine.

[blueblob06]

Thanks X-Man. Good to hear.

And we'll only have to wait a year for the trash-talk discussions to heat up again.

[bleedXblue]

Will he play in the 2013-2014 season ?

[PMI]

Will he play in the 2013-2014 season ?

That's the plan.

[kyxu]

That's the plan.

Stress "plan"

I think there are two battles within Chris Thomas' journey to Xavier: 1) his ultimate decision as to where he wants to play college ball and 2) being eligible at the place he ultimately chooses.

I hope it works out for him.

[LA Muskie]

Stress "plan"

I think there are two battles within Chris Thomas' journey to Xavier: 1) his ultimate decision as to where he wants to play college ball and 2) being eligible at the place he ultimately chooses.

I hope it works out for him.

You really think #1 is an issue? I've always thought it was 1) go XU or go pro, and 2) if XU, is he eligible?

[HuskyMuskie]

The only "battle" that Chris Thomas will be fighting is with himself. If he thinks that David Stern will call his name next summer as a lottery pick, consider him gone.

But, if he thinks he can prove himself for a year in a college uniform in order to make himself a top 5 pick--welcome to Xavier.

[kyxu]

You really think #1 is an issue? I've always thought it was 1) go XU or go pro, and 2) if XU, is he eligible?

Probably more accurate, yeah.

[bleedXblue]

Sounds like he has some maturity issues. Hopefully this year he can learn how to play without the trash talking. Not sure I want to go down that road again.

[PMI]

You really think #1 is an issue? I've always thought it was 1) go XU or go pro, and 2) if XU, is he eligible?

Yea this is it. I'm hardly worried about another school swooping in, although you can never rule something 100% out. Here's what I think we've got going for us (and by no means could I put a percentage on the chances of him actually coming to X, but I think it's probably above 50/50.) He hasn't played competitive basketball since an entire full season ago. He's still very young and would just be getting out of high school had he done the regular four year program, if I'm not mistaking. He'll be playing at the junior college level, after missing a year, from which you very, very rarely see a player make the jump straight to the NBA. He has, by all accounts, not even courted the interest of anyone else since he made his commitment to Xavier, and genuinely seems to be completely done with the recruiting process and set on Xavier as the school he's committed to.

He's got the one and done talent and potential, so if he has an enormous year, he may well decide the NBA needs no waiting. He could, however, have a slow start like even the really talented players sometimes do. He could decide that a year in D1 spotlight on a talented contender could go further in getting his stock up. Any number of things could happen. It is a weird feeling though, and will continue to be as we follow his year, because we're rooting for him to be as good and promising as possible, but maybe not so good that he's inclined to make the jump. It's like trying to make the hottest possible pot of water without it all boiling over.

[PMI]

Sounds like he has some maturity issues. Hopefully this year he can learn how to play without the trash talking. Not sure I want to go down that road again.

It's a risk I think I'd be willing to take every single time if I'm Mack. It's not like he has Tony Farmer-like issues. Every issue with maturity I've read concerns his on-court talking. I'd rather see that tone down (I think we've all figured out the potential downside to that) but I'm not going to pretend like it bothered me to see Crawford, Tu and Lyons jawing when we were winning games. Now if it all blows up in your face like it did at the Shootout, then that's no bueno. But I'll trust that lessons were learned from that by the people with more control (coaches and refs.) Believe it or not, Xavier has had LOTS of players with maturity issues go through its program. Some were more visible than others. Thomas is worth it to me.

[outsideobserver11]

It'll be interesting to see if some of the "big" boys try to swoop in and talk to him if he is in fact going to be elligible.

[Xman95]

Sounds like he has some maturity issues. Hopefully this year he can learn how to play without the trash talking. Not sure I want to go down that road again.

Tu talked trash and I would take a player like him every year. It's part of the basketball culture now. Whether it's high school, college, pro or a pick-up game at a park or rec center, you're going to find trash talking. So I'm not worried at all about Thomas and his desire to jaw. He just needs to know there's a line you don't cross (or Nancy Gates will try to knife you at center court).

[Muskied]

Tu talked trash and I would take a player like him every year. It's part of the basketball culture now. Whether it's high school, college, pro or a pick-up game at a park or rec center, you're going to find trash talking. So I'm not worried at all about Thomas and his desire to jaw. He just needs to know there's a line you don't cross (or Nancy Gates will try to knife you at center court).

Trash talking is one thing, crossing the line is another. Has anyone seen recent UCONN, Baylor, Syracuse, Florida games, just to name a few? They talk trash more than Rumpke. 3 rules, don't bitch at the reff, don't antagonize the bench, and don't make it physical. You do that, you fly under the radar and equal 85% of college basketball players.

[XUFan09]

You do that, you fly under the radar and equal 85% of college basketball players.

Yep, and this is what many people (including some posters on this board) don't realize. Some have a beef with trash-talking, no matter how prevalent, which is fine, but many think that it's only unique to a few teams and players.

[LA Muskie]

Yep, and this is what many people (including some posters on this board) don't realize. Some have a beef with trash-talking, no matter how prevalent, which is fine, but many think that it's only unique to a few teams and players.

I think everyone understands that. It's only a problem when it becomes a problem. I know that sounds circular (because it is), but that's the key -- the players and coaches have to use their judgment and not let things get out of hand.

[Xman95]

Trash talking is one thing, crossing the line is another. Has anyone seen recent UCONN, Baylor, Syracuse, Florida games, just to name a few? They talk trash more than Rumpke. 3 rules, don't bitch at the reff, don't antagonize the bench, and don't make it physical. You do that, you fly under the radar and equal 85% of college basketball players.

Yup.

[pickledpigsfeet]

I know that sounds circular

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=squgCYqufuo

[Benxman]

WOW! He does seem to be a bit quick, don't you think old chap?

As one of you said, he and Dez and Semaj, with a couple guys named big would make quite a team.

GO CHRIS MACK!
&
GO MUSKIES!

:logo:

[GIMMFD]

Well according to Scout and Rivals an in home visit went well for Mack, can any insiders sum it up for us?

[DC Muskie]

Well according to Scout and Rivals an in home visit went well for Mack, can any insiders sum it up for us?

Happy to.

The in home visit for Mack with Thomas and his grandmother went well.

[XUFan09]

Happy to.

The in home visit for Mack with Thomas and his grandmother went well.

Lol beat me to it.

[Masterofreality]

Well according to Scout and Rivals an in home visit went well for Mack, can any insiders sum it up for us?

Per DC Muskie...."That's a Clown Question, Bro".

[paulxu]

Everybody in DC thinks they are an insider.

[X-man]

Everybody in DC thinks they are an insider.

They are...inside the beltway, and hence completely provincial in their point of view.

[GIMMFD]

Haha alright you dicks, that's cool. I was just wondering if anything major was said!

[Masterofreality]

Haha alright you dicks, that's cool. I was just wondering if anything major was said!

Reps for being a good sport. :biggrin:

[THRILLHOUSE]

Goodman just tweeted that Chris Thomas has decommitted from X.

[Xman95]

Yep, this is a great offseason!

[jhelmes37]

Signed with Manhattan. Good for Rasheen. And I can't really fault Chris is his primary reason for signing with X was Coach Davis.

It seems like it worked out for us though......

[Masterofreality]

Signed with Manhattan. Good for Rasheen. And I can't really fault Chris is his primary reason for signing with X was Coach Davis.

It seems like it worked out for us though......

Good for Manhattan and the kid too. Sounds like he really needs a father figure and Rasheen is it. This will make the Jaspers a force.....

....And guarantees that they will continue to beat Fordham.

[DC Muskie]

Wow, I did not see that coming. Manhattan? Wow. Good for them. Best of luck to the kid.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Couldn't find this anywhere on the board but Chris Thomas has chosen Manhattan.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1242271.html



Chris Thomas has found his college home.
In late September, Thomas, a five-star recruit out of Chipola Junior College, decommitted from Xavier. Now the 6-foot-5 scorer has settled on his school -- Manhattan.

Thomas committed to Steve Masiello and his staff late Tuesday night.

“Chris decided to sign with Manhattan,” Chipola coach Patrick Blake told Scout.com.

Blake said a key relationship with a Manhattan assistant played a major role in Thomas’ decision to be a Jasper.

“Chris is a loyal kid and coach [Rasheen] Davis has always been there for him since day one,” Blake said. “Manhattan started recruiting him again and I think that relationship with coach Davis really stood out.”

“He met with coach Masiello and they hit it off right off the bat and he felt really comfortable with the staff,” Blake added. “He really likes the way coach Mas develops his players and his style of play.

Davis, who is in his first year at Manhattan, was the lead man on the Thomas recruitment. He’s a former Xavier assistant and was the coach that headed up his recruitment when he was a Xavier pledge.

Thomas joins Tyler Wilson to make up Manhattan's current two-man 2013 recruiting class.

[boozehound]

I know he has a relationship with Rasheen, but this just seems wierd. How many 5 star kids go to a school like Manhattan?

[drudy23]

OK....you can't tell me there isn't shenanigans going on with Davis and Thomas. Why on earth would he follow him to Manhattan? Is Davis his personal escort finder or something? There's no doubt in my mind SOMETHING is being provided that keeps him on the hook. Don't give me this "relationship" BS.

[GoMuskies]

What's wrong with Manhattan? They'll have a pretty good team, Thomas will be able to do whatever he wants as the star of the squad and he'll have a clear path to the NBA still. I don't see any reason it's shady for him to end up there. Most five stars don't go to MAAC schools, but most five-stars don't have Thomas's past, either.

[surfxu]

Wow... That's a head scratcher. I just can't see where this makes ANY sense. Sure there's the relationship with Davis, but still.... A kid opens his recruitment back up because he wants the same "experience" as all his other highly sought after teamates and then ends up at... wait for it... Manhattan. I mean we're talking Manhattan. Manhattan... I mean Manhattan. Come on man, we're talking Manhattan.
I guess there must be some real character issues that no one else really wanted to put up with. I wish him the best, but Manhattan?

[CinciX12]

Lol enjoy being irrelevant. What a weird decision.

[drudy23]

It's obvious the kid was going wherever Davis landed...it has nothing to do with Manhattan...or any other school.

There's a reason why these kids follow certain people...and they ain't good reasons.

[muskiefan82]

HE is aware that this is not Manhattan, KS which, while still odd, would make a little more sense, right?

[drudy23]

HE is aware that this is not Manhattan, KS which, while still odd, would make a little more sense, right?

Um...would it? Not following.

[boozehound]

What's wrong with Manhattan? They'll have a pretty good team, Thomas will be able to do whatever he wants as the star of the squad and he'll have a clear path to the NBA still. I don't see any reason it's shady for him to end up there. Most five stars don't go to MAAC schools, but most five-stars don't have Thomas's past, either.

He also won't have the ability to showcase his skills against high level competition and he will never be on TV.

I don't get it.

[GoMuskies]

Sure he will. Manhattan will play plenty of good teams. And what does being on TV matter? He'll be playing ball in NYC. The scouts won't have any trouble finding him.

[smileyy]

Um...would it? Not following.

That's where Kansas State is, which has recently featured good basketball teams.

[smileyy]

He also won't have the ability to showcase his skills against high level competition and he will never be on TV.

I don't get it.

Maybe you do.

[drudy23]

I get it.

He's getting a whole lotta extra somethin out of this...from someone, somewhere.

[94GRAD]

People probably said the same things when X got good recruits in the past. A kid chooses a school for many reasons. Having a great relationship with a coach is probably high on that list.

[ammtd34]

I was at UDump for the Manhattan game. Manhattan was pathetic. Dayton wasn't much better, but the two combined for 44 turnovers (25 for the Jaspers). Offensively, Manhattan had no movement and defensively ran and jumped at everything. While I know it's sort of their thing, you'd think they'd be better at, you know, "their thing."

[drudy23]

It's not normal for a high school kid to just follow someone around because they have a "good relationship"...that makes no sense. And as Judge Judy says, "when it doesn't make sense, it ain't true." There's a reason why he's following him around, otherwise, it's kinda creepy.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Did anyone nail down exactly why Davis left XU for Manhattan in the first place? That was definitely not a lateral move. Regardless, Chris Thomas is a head case and probably won't play a single game in the NBA. Would have been nice to have him but maybe a Manhattan type of school being off the radar is exactly what he needs.

[smileyy]

Faster track to a head coaching position maybe? Did he leave before or after Pat Kelsey?

[DC Muskie]

What's creepy is that it's perfectly normal for adults to come on a messageboard and criticize where a kid chooses to go to school and why.

Best of luck to the kid.

[DC Muskie]

Did anyone nail down exactly why Davis left XU for Manhattan in the first place? That was definitely not a lateral move. Regardless, Chris Thomas is a head case and probably won't play a single game in the NBA. Would have been nice to have him but maybe a Manhattan type of school being off the radar is exactly what he needs.

Family reasons. Which I'm sure has some seedy circumstances.

[sweet16]

What's unfortunate about this particular situation is that to many it will appear that this kid seemingly backed out of a commitment to Xavier when in reality he had no choice but to reopen his recruitment. X stopped recruiting him because he is such a flake. Coaches are not allowed to comment on recruits so the only story that's made public is the player's story. There is a reason why an incredible talent like Thomas ends up at a place like Manhattan........and the smart money says he'll never play a single collegiate game.

[xsteve1]

What's unfortunate about this particular situation is that to many it will appear that this kid seemingly backed out of a commitment to Xavier when in reality he had no choice but to reopen his recruitment. X stopped recruiting him because he is such a flake. Coaches are not allowed to comment on recruits so the only story that's made public is the player's story. There is a reason why an incredible talent like Thomas ends up at a place like Manhattan........and the smart money says he'll never play a single collegiate game.

Not sure if your statement is true because Mack made a visit to Colorado to meet with his grandma 2 weeks prior to him decommitting. Unless you have some other source it was reported on Scout that things were looking good for Thomas to come to X at that time. While he may have maturity issues it's hard to turn a talent away as good as he is.

[Juice]

What's creepy is that it's perfectly normal for adults to come on a messageboard and criticize where a kid chooses to go to school and why.

Best of luck to the kid.

(Xavier fan reads about Chris Thomas committing to XU) "Great recruiting job by Mack and Davis!"

(Same Xavier fans read about Chris Thomas committing to Manhattan) "Something fishy is going on...I bet he's getting money on the side from Davis" (the same coach XU employed last year)

[DC Muskie]

Not sure if your statement is true because Mack made a visit to Colorado to meet with his grandma 2 weeks prior to him decommitting. Unless you have some other source it was reported on Scout that things were looking good for Thomas to come to X at that time. While he may have maturity issues it's hard to turn a talent away as good as he is.

And later other sources on scout said it was best for both parties to go their separate ways.

[Dr. X]

Um...would it? Not following.

KState is in Manhattan, KS

[XU 87]

What's unfortunate about this particular situation is that to many it will appear that this kid seemingly backed out of a commitment to Xavier when in reality he had no choice but to reopen his recruitment. X stopped recruiting him because he is such a flake.

I would like to believe what you wrote. But Xavier didn't "stop recruiting him" (they already had offered him a scholarship). And the scholarship offer was never pullled, if that's what you meant. He decommited on his own.

[XUFan09]

It's not normal for a high school kid to just follow someone around because they have a "good relationship"...that makes no sense. And as Judge Judy says, "when it doesn't make sense, it ain't true." There's a reason why he's following him around, otherwise, it's kinda creepy.

Actually, that is quite common for a kid to follow an assistant coach.

[XUFan09]

He also won't have the ability to showcase his skills against high level competition and he will never be on TV.

I don't get it.

Everyone needs to overcome the misconception that a player needs to be on ESPN all the time in order to get attention from scouts. The scouting industry for the NBA is much bigger than that. When a player is really good, scouts know about it, plain and simple. Hell, scouts have often been following these kids since they were underclassmen at some random high school.