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coasterville95
11-22-2010, 04:22 PM
Latest casualty - Miami (OH) orders its band and students to discontinue use of a pep band melody referred to as the "Scalp Song"

You may recall this is the same school that ejected a student for wearing an Indian headdress at a football game earlier this season.

The same school that changed mascots several years back.

Wonder when said school is going to have to change its name - I mean if they really want to distance themselves from being associated with the Native American. I guess they could call it Oxford (OH).

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As we head towards Thanksgiving where we are reminded of the gift of corn (maize) by the American Indian, it seems that there are people who want to erase every tribute to the Native Indian under the rationale that "It is disrespectful and offensive to the Indian" It seems that sports have been hit particularly hard for this. I'm sure there may have been a team or two that didn't portray their Indian mascot in the most admirable way, but is that any reason to get rid of all of it. If I recall, most of the fuss is put on by 'do-gooders' that have no relation to the Native Americans but do have a relation to getting their names in the paper and causing a rukus. I'm thinking of times were a journalist actually took the time to ask an Indian for their take on the whole deal, and they were for the school or team that was honoring the legacy

It's a part of our history, either a proud part of our history or something that we acknowledge could have been handled better, depending on your point of view. I wonder of the do-gooders are really about tryng to eliminate constant reminders of that 'things we could have handled better" aspect of American Indian relations.

I still like the comment that the student sporting the headress should have claimed he was either an indian, or a decendant of an indian, and that he was wearing his native war attire for the 'war' on the field. Too bad, that would have been interestign to watch any PR department try to backpedal from.

School: "Sorry sir, we must ask you to remove your headress"
Indian: "Why"
School: "Fans are not allowed to come in costumes that are disrepectful to the American Indian"
Indian: "But I *AM* an Indian, and I find it appropriate"
School: "Yeah, right. You can stay, but the headress has got to go"
<Indian gets ejected from game, goes on to call the ACLU and the media>


Glad there is nothing lucrative about a band of do-gooders rushing to the aid of the French, and schools "being disrespectful to the history of the French people".

Kahns Krazy
11-22-2010, 05:03 PM
Latest casualty - Miami (OH) orders its band and students to discontinue use of a pep band melody referred to as the "Scalp Song"

You may recall this is the same school that ejected a student for wearing an Indian headdress at a football game earlier this season.

The same school that changed mascots several years back.

Wonder when said school is going to have to change its name - I mean if they really want to distance themselves from being associated with the Native American. I guess they could call it Oxford (OH).
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I think the PC movement is gay and retarded, but you have to realize there's a difference between the terms "Redskin" and "scalp" and the term "Miami".

PM Thor
11-22-2010, 05:22 PM
I think the level of idiocy in this decision is astounding. Native Americans weren't the only ones who scalped their enemies, so why would the administration make the jump to assume that this scalp song was automatically about Native Americans? There were dozens, if not hundreds of tribes throughout the Americas, so why do they lump them all into one category, once again assuming that ALL Native American groups would be offended by scalping, when many of them didn't even do it historically? They seem to be hung up on being politically correct too much.

I HATE dayton.

Michigan Muskie
11-22-2010, 06:22 PM
Unbelievable. I'm glad I have that song saved as an mp3 file since the PC movement seems to be moving through Oxford as slowly as an enormous, steamy bowel movement. It stinks like one, too.

At least this time it was a member of an Indian tribe who voiced her offense, unlike when the mascot's name was changed in '97. I think back then the offendee was a Caucasian Alpha Chi Omega or a Beta. (Baaa!)

X-band '01
11-22-2010, 09:03 PM
Try going to Florida State to tell them that their mascot is offensive to the Seminole Nation. Just be prepared to duck.

Juice
11-23-2010, 08:13 AM
Try going to Florida State to tell them that their mascot is offensive to the Seminole Nation. Just be prepared to duck.

Well they did get the approval of the Seminole tribe.

Oregon State wore turquoise uniforms this weekend to honor NAtive Americans.
http://media.oregonlive.com/behindbeaversbeat/photo/9053069-large.jpg

XUglow
11-23-2010, 11:05 AM
Try going to Florida State to tell them that their mascot is offensive to the Seminole Nation. Just be prepared to duck.

Well, here is the difference. As Juice noted, Florida State and the Seminole nation have a licensing agreement for all things Seminole. Florida State sits down every year with a group from the Seminole nation and covers what is and isn't appropriate. It works well for both parties.

coasterville95
11-23-2010, 11:59 AM
Now that makes too much sense (Florida State and the Seminole Nation actually working out an agreement)

Maybe the issue isn't as big as I think it is, but it seems like every season I read about some school that has been asked to discontinue their mascot, their team name, or some other part of their traditions all in the name of political correctness.

If the "scalp song" protest really did come from a tribe, that is different and very real than the outside do-gooders I had referenced.

Also - Those Oregon unis do look nice.

Pete Delkus
11-23-2010, 12:36 PM
Well they did get the approval of the Seminole tribe.

Oregon State wore turquoise uniforms this weekend to honor NAtive Americans.
http://media.oregonlive.com/behindbeaversbeat/photo/9053069-large.jpg

I get more out of it when they honor their Beaver.

http://images.footballfanatics.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productImages/_326000/FF_326752_xl.jpg&w=180

smileyy
11-23-2010, 12:50 PM
Well, here is the difference. As Juice noted, Florida State and the Seminole nation have a licensing agreement for all things Seminole.

Good to know that everyone can be made sensible when enough money changes hands :D

xeus
11-23-2010, 07:03 PM
Try going to Florida State to tell them that their mascot is offensive to the Seminole Nation. Just be prepared to duck.

Why, will they try to scalp me?

X-band '01
11-23-2010, 07:47 PM
Well, here is the difference. As Juice noted, Florida State and the Seminole nation have a licensing agreement for all things Seminole. Florida State sits down every year with a group from the Seminole nation and covers what is and isn't appropriate. It works well for both parties.

The Seminole Tribe of Florida also sponsors a scholarship program at FSU from what I've heard. While the Seminoles in Florida have no problem with the nickname, there's also Seminole members who live in Oklahoma that do have a problem with the nickname.

waggy
11-23-2010, 07:57 PM
The Seminole Tribe of Florida also sponsors a scholarship program at FSU from what I've heard. While the Seminoles in Florida have no problem with the nickname, there's also Seminole members who live in Oklahoma that do have a problem with the nickname.

Which makes me wonder: Can a redneck speak for all redskins?

Pete Delkus
11-23-2010, 08:20 PM
I think we all have a dog in this fight, as who wasn't Seminal at one point of their life?

As the most successful of my Seminal Tribe, I feel like I can speak for my fellow soliders in demanding a piece of the Seminal pie.

XUglow
11-23-2010, 08:51 PM
...there's also Seminole members who live in Oklahoma that do have a problem with the nickname.

Not true. Both branches (FL, OK) have endorsed the ties with FSU. OK initially was against it, but $$$ convinced them their stance needed some modification.

Juice
11-23-2010, 09:08 PM
I could be way off base here but I don't get why the Native Americans are offended. If someone named their team after my group/ethnicity/race, i.e. the White Douchebags, I would be pretty excited. I would buy all their gear and wear it around with pride. I could understand it if the schools were mocking the tribes or being explictly racist, but I just don't see it.

Kahns Krazy
11-23-2010, 10:03 PM
Which makes me wonder: Can a redneck speak for all redskins?

I really wanted Miami to adopt the Redskin Potato as the new mascot.