Sim Bhullar (Commit Other) [Archive]

JimmyTwoTimes37

09-29-2010, 02:38 PM

Center
Saltzburg, Pennsylvania
Kiski School
Ht: 7'4"
Wt: 285 pounds
Class: 2012 (High School)

TheRecruitScoop: A-10 powerhouse Xavier has offered 7'4 Canadian Sim Bhullar '12 of Kiski Prep (PA)

*Interesting note - Has a brother who's 7'2" and growing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6a0DxIFenw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQqIOhECV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Y04AMkvdg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eEHKnVe0G8

Other offers: West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Washington State

Hearing from: Everybody

waggy

09-29-2010, 03:50 PM

Wow. Compared to the giant that played for Asheville, this guy has a lot of mobility.

xtremefan13

09-29-2010, 03:52 PM

wow, this is pretty interesting.

that is a big boy!

ESPN ranks him pretty well too.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/103322/sim-bhullar

GoMuskies

09-29-2010, 03:58 PM

Hard to tell if he can play at all from that video, but 7'4" is a good place to start.

surfxu

09-29-2010, 04:42 PM

Holy cow! 7'4"
Wow, that's a big boy.
Is that TOO big to effectively play basketball at the college level in a fast paced offense?
7'4" !!!
Apparently his range resembles the distance to the first bucket on Bozo's Circus and he jumps as high as Kenny did after 12 cheeseburgers his freshman year, but when you are 7'4" you're in there to take up space in the paint and lay it over the rim...period.

smileyy

09-29-2010, 06:04 PM

You can't teach height, but there's a big difference between a 5'11" kid vanishing from the lane before you dunk, and a Jamel McLean or a Jason Love throwing their body into your back.

The video I watched of the above list seemed to have a lot of the former, but there were at least a couple highlights of him being contested at the rim and finishing.

bobbiemcgee

09-29-2010, 07:27 PM

Wow. Compared to the giant that played for Asheville, this guy has a lot of mobility.

He must be a 4G sim.

Xman95

09-29-2010, 07:48 PM

MADXSTER actually started a thread on these kids back in May (only two posts in it though!). Here's the link to the thread if you're interested. (http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15300)

TheHoopSide1

01-04-2011, 07:24 PM

JimmyTwoTimes37

01-05-2011, 12:15 PM

I think the younger one just left the school that Sim was at...They are about the same size though. God Bless that mother!
and watch out for whichever team has interchangeable 7'4" guys (if they sign at same school)
I think that Sim's skill set is surprisingly refined.

I'm surprised he has such a soft touch around the rim. Big body, tons of potential with that size.

On the other hand, I've heard he is painfully slow running up and down the court. He makes Vinny Testaverde look like Carl Lewis.

TheHoopSide1

01-05-2011, 12:58 PM

I'm surprised he has such a soft touch around the rim. Big body, tons of potential with that size.

On the other hand, I've heard he is painfully slow running up and down the court. He makes Vinny Testaverde look like Carl Lewis.

LOL

well after he gets the rebound, which he will, get passed half court and wait for him, you have 35 seconds to get a shot off ..although it may take him 36..lol

pizza delivery

01-05-2011, 02:56 PM

I love his number - 113. You know people just mess with him in a good way, he seems like a nice kid.

HuskyMuskie

01-05-2011, 03:31 PM

JimmyTwoTimes37

01-11-2011, 04:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiRT2uQw-Xs&feature=related

He's right near the beginning at the :24 mark...A lot more mobile and active than I previously thought.

bobbiemcgee

01-11-2011, 04:21 PM

Call me crazy...I think I actually want this kid to come to Xavier. Ultimately, it would be awesome to have interchangeable 7'4" guys...being him and his brother. Our guards would have a HAY DAY out on the arc...and driving and dishing. Even if he only played 15 minutes a game.

LETS GO SIM!

What's the brother's name Ferris? He would fit in @ X.

xu15

01-11-2011, 06:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiRT2uQw-Xs&feature=related

He's right near the beginning at the :24 mark...A lot more mobile and active than I previously thought.

Wells is in there right after him

xuwin

01-11-2011, 06:50 PM

Call me crazy...I think I actually want this kid to come to Xavier. Ultimately, it would be awesome to have interchangeable 7'4" guys...being him and his brother. Our guards would have a HAY DAY out on the arc...and driving and dishing. Even if he only played 15 minutes a game.

LETS GO SIM!

I'll trust the coaches judgment, but, he looks like too much of a project to me. I could never see him in an up tempo offensive pace.

xufan02

01-11-2011, 09:12 PM

I follow Xavier recruiting and I have not heard anything that leads me to believe that we are heavily involved with this kid. I think we have a lot of other prospects that are higher in priority.

JimmyTwoTimes37

01-15-2011, 11:48 PM

Sim was in attendance tonight

AdamtheFlyer

01-16-2011, 12:15 AM

Saw him at Flying to the Hoop today. He's friggin massive. 7'4" is other-worldly in person, and he's built. Reminds you of the huge bad turned good guy in the movie version of Get Smart.

That said, he's not a good player. He blocked shots and got some points because he's a foot taller than the tallest opponent, but he can't move. He will get destroyed at the college level. Put guys 6'8" and above that can get him moving and he will get abused. Kenny George he is not.

The teammate of his that also visited X tonight...he's got potential. Tall, athletic, good skill. Not a top of the line prospect but there is definite reason for recruiting him. A Jeff Robinson type, with much more polish and experience at his age.

JimmyTwoTimes37

01-16-2011, 12:35 AM

Saw him at Flying to the Hoop today. He's friggin massive. 7'4" is other-worldly in person, and he's built. Reminds you of the huge bad turned good guy in the movie version of Get Smart.

That said, he's not a good player. He blocked shots and got some points because he's a foot taller than the tallest opponent, but he can't move. He will get destroyed at the college level. Put guys 6'8" and above that can get him moving and he will get abused. Kenny George he is not.

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I haven't seen him play other than the highlight videos so I can't really disagree with you. Do you think under the right conditioning and strength program that he could become a lot more mobile and effective? Is there some potential?

I've heard Huggins is all over him

AdamtheFlyer

01-16-2011, 01:03 AM

I haven't seen him play other than the highlight videos so I can't really disagree with you. Do you think under the right conditioning and strength program that he could become a lot more mobile and effective? Is there some potential?

I've heard Huggins is all over him

I don't know. To be that big at such a young age doesn't portend good things. That's not baby fat or awkward puberty stuff. I think he's just genetically a very large person.

He will play somewhere. He won't be good, but he will get a scholarship, play some hoops as a limited role player, block some shots, make a few buckets, be a fan favorite and get a degree. Anything above that as far as basketball goes would surprise me.

JimmyTwoTimes37

01-16-2011, 03:04 AM

I don't know. To be that big at such a young age doesn't portend good things. That's not baby fat or awkward puberty stuff. I think he's just genetically a very large person.

He will play somewhere. He won't be good, but he will get a scholarship, play some hoops as a limited role player, block some shots, make a few buckets, be a fan favorite and get a degree. Anything above that as far as basketball goes would surprise me.

Just read some write ups

"13-point, 15-rebound, 8-block performance"
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x5955164/No-Headline

"At 7-4, 355 pounds, Sim Bhullar of Huntington (W.Va.) Prep is the tallest and largest player at Flyin’.
Bhullar wasn’t mobile, couldn’t jump and had no shooting touch, but none of that mattered.
“He’s seven-four with an 8-foot wingspan,” said Withrow’s Aaron Thomas, “there’s no need to jump.”
Bhullar is an India native who resides in Canada. He had 15 points, 18 rebounds and eight blocks and drew plenty of ooos and ahhs from an appreciative crowd during a 71-52 defeat of Withrow (8-2).
Most Big East teams are after him with West Virginia considered the favorite.
“That’s like going against a couple of station wagons,” said Thomas."
http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/high-school-sports/n-y-player-impresses-against-alter-1055969.html

BlueX

01-16-2011, 11:20 PM

7'5 Sim Bhullar '12 of Huntington Prep (WV) on his Xavier visit: "It was crazy. I felt like it could be a possible home for me."

http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/26768426554892288

murray87

01-17-2011, 02:51 PM

Sim was in attendance tonight

I saw that kid sitting down there on the floor during the UD game and wondered who he was. A mountain of a kid to be sure.

SixFig

01-17-2011, 03:11 PM

No way he could come to Xavier. I mean, have you seen the desks in Alter Hall? He would crush them!

In all seriousness though if Mack and Co. offered that enough for me.

JimmyTwoTimes37

01-17-2011, 03:18 PM

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/sim_bhullar_tanveer_bhullar_reach.jpg

http://priyamulji.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/sim-bhullar-p1.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/metromorning/images/mini-matt.jpg

bobbiemcgee

01-17-2011, 03:28 PM

Unfortunately, his vertical leap is 2.5" and he runs the floor in 20 secs.

AdamtheFlyer

01-17-2011, 05:29 PM

Huntington Prep played against last night against SVSM. Same story. Got points, boards and blocks because he's 18 inches taller than everyone else. His teammates just wait for the spot, throw the ball up and he catches it with ease or gets fouled. When he starts going against 6'8"-6'11" guys on the game by game basis, he will be exposed, IMO. Just can't see him being more than a role player at best.

BandAid

01-17-2011, 05:38 PM

I dont know how big he is into his Indian heritage. But we have a fine South-Asian Society on campus. We should invite him to the Midwest Marsala...how would that work legally with the NCAA? We'll make it an unofficial...

Xman95

01-17-2011, 08:05 PM

When he starts going against 6'8"-6'11" guys on the game by game basis, he will be exposed, IMO. Just can't see him being more than a role player at best.

Of course you have spent years watching big, white stiffs so you might be a little jaded! (Kidding...sort of.) :)

Titanxman04

01-21-2011, 02:38 PM

Jumped on Drew Crew's musketeerscoop, per is permission, and read an article on him. without giving too much away, it seems his ability and skills are vastly improving and that he could be a project with huge dividends. He's already lost 20 lbs this season and is continuing to work on gettign in better shape. Could be scary. I just don't want another Adam Simons.

Westside_D

02-05-2011, 02:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJFd29dEDw&feature=related

Xman95

02-05-2011, 08:38 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJFd29dEDw&feature=related

The "reporter" was bringing up WVU constantly. We need to find someone with a camera and a lot of free time to start his/her own recruiting page so they can just follow recruits and repeatedly bring up Xavier during the supposed interview.

JimmyTwoTimes37

02-13-2011, 05:55 PM

Was in attendance at UC today vs St Johns.

Juice

02-13-2011, 09:37 PM

Was in attendance at UC today vs St Johns.

That's a hell of a game to attend. Hopefully he talked to Yancey.

HuskyMuskie

02-13-2011, 10:20 PM

As a big man recruit, you've got to love going to a place where their "star" big man gets boo-ed...by his own fans. How lovely.

SixFig

02-15-2011, 09:54 PM

As a big man recruit, you've got to love going to a place where their "star" big man gets boo-ed...by his own fans. How lovely.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2669/39544162.jpg

JimmyTwoTimes37

02-23-2011, 03:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZy4CLimZ-Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY1bQMHgEAU&feature=related

X is also recruiting #32 Jankovic. He was on the visit with Sim

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-01-2011, 06:24 PM

Will be at X again for senior night

@nolanshulman: Sim Bhullar will take unofficial to Xavier tomorrow and stay for senior night. Would be #Musketeers 5th A10 reg season chip in a row

MarvAlbert

03-02-2011, 01:02 AM

Anyone know if Jankovic is tagging along again? He looked pretty impressive to me in the videos I've seen (minus a technical).

HuskyMuskie

03-02-2011, 09:55 AM

Look for a "Sim" poster from The Popes tonight. Always nice to have the big man around.

More Cowbell

03-02-2011, 10:09 AM

Look for a "Sim" poster from The Popes tonight. Always nice to have the big man around.

Didn't West Virginia get in trouble for doing that with Payne?

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-02-2011, 10:55 AM

Anyone know if Jankovic is tagging along again? He looked pretty impressive to me in the videos I've seen (minus a technical).

I haven't heard anything about him this time around. Jankovic's game is real nice I agree

On a side note, Sim will see the world famous Popes at the Cintas Center. You guys are quickly rising to legendary status.

Whully Bhully!

bobbiemcgee

03-02-2011, 11:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64

ThePowerOfX

03-02-2011, 11:07 AM

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-02-2011, 11:50 AM

I read somewhere yesterday (maybe the A10 board) that Sim may graduate this year and reclassify as 2011....which we obviously dont have a scholarship for at this point in time. Guess we will see how it plays out...good to see he will be back in Cintas tonight

Michigan hoops is saying that as well. Which would be huge because we can still recruit the 2012 top guys.

If he does commit, though, that means someone will have to go or they think Tu is likely heading to the NBA

Regardless, there is obviously serious interest on both sides for this last minute unofficial out of the blue.

ballyhoohoo

03-02-2011, 06:46 PM

Walking on the concourse saw him at the game. Jesus he is huge. Saw him at the concession stand, almost bumped his head on the awning. I took a pic with my phone. I can't figure out how to attach on my phone.

bobbiemcgee

03-02-2011, 06:52 PM

Fire marshal afraid he could block an exit by himself.

BlueGuy

03-02-2011, 06:54 PM

ESPN.com's recruiting page (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/103322/sim-bhullar) says "...he possesses the length to dunk the ball without leaving the ground."

That is cool.

ItsAllAboutTheX

03-02-2011, 10:27 PM

Saw him when I was allowed on the court, he is huge, hopefully seeing the Tas and the 5 Peat Champs makes his decision to X easier.

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-02-2011, 11:05 PM

From November:
http://www.slamonline.com/online/college-hs/high-school/2010/11/high-school-road-trip-pre-season-edition/

Sim Bhullar | 7-5 | C | Kiski School | 2012
"SLAMonline first chronicled Sim and his little brother Tanveer over a year ago. Having been nearly six months since I saw this gargantuan big man in person, I was unsure of what to expect. I was at the Pitt Jam Fest when this video that went viral was shot and saw the potential that the Canadian big man had. But I was not completely sold on whether he would be able to play at the highest level. Fast forward to this past weekend in Pennsylvania and I’m a firm believer in what the big fella can do.

Over the three games that we saw in Saltsburg, Sim had over 20 dunks and averaged 28 points per game. Pretty wavy, eh? Sounds like an exaggeration, but it’s not. Dude throws everything down when he gets it within five feet of the tin. He showed off super soft hands and changed the game defensively by clogging up the middle of Kiski’s zone as well. Of course there are going to be mad haters out there talking about what he can’t do, but with that kind of size and soft hands, I’m more curious about what he can do. So is just about every team in the Big East, since they’ve virtually all offered him scholarships and he’s down to Georgetown, West Virginia and UConn."

Lamont Sanford

03-03-2011, 08:12 AM

Anyone know who the kid was next to him? Looked to be about 6'7". A current teammate?

ballyhoohoo

03-03-2011, 08:13 AM

Snapped a picture of him last night

More Cowbell

03-03-2011, 09:02 AM

I thought he looked pretty bored at the game last night. But that could just be how he looks.

MrLookout9

03-03-2011, 09:16 AM

sweet16

03-03-2011, 09:32 AM

Anyone else see recruit Sim Bhullar (sp?) at the game last night?

danaandvictory

03-03-2011, 09:33 AM

Anyone else see recruit Sim Bhullar (sp?) at the game last night?

How could you not? The kid actually may qualify as a Himalaya.

MCXU

03-03-2011, 10:10 AM

Kept tellin my buddy this guy is 7 foot 4. After the game we are on the court 3 feet from him and he stands up to leave. My buddy just turns to me and says, I will never doubt you again.

Folks, I am 6 foot 3 and I was looking 75 degrees up to see this guys face.

paulxu

03-03-2011, 10:16 AM

That was probably a good game for a prospective recruit to attend.

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-03-2011, 10:45 AM

I thought he looked pretty bored at the game last night. But that could just be how he looks.

In all the the interviews I've seen, he always looks that way. I think he's just shy or something

Xman95

03-03-2011, 01:22 PM

I think he's just shy or something

Like all the posters on this board!

paulxu

03-03-2011, 02:34 PM

Buck Futler

03-03-2011, 02:55 PM

Rivals notes that he has an offer from UC already, and he is listed in the class of '12.

But there is a lead article about Michigan considering him for the class of '11.

Will he be eligible for the incoming class ('11)?

There are several articles and posts I remember reading on the A-10 board that say he is reclassifying as a 2011 recruit. My buddy was the one that shared the info with me, but apparently he is attempting to slide into the 2011 class.

No 2011 Scholarship + Latham MIA = Sim Bhullar????

ballyhoohoo

03-03-2011, 03:37 PM

There are several articles and posts I remember reading on the A-10 board that say he is reclassifying as a 2011 recruit. My buddy was the one that shared the info with me, but apparently he is attempting to slide into the 2011 class.

No 2011 Scholarship + Latham MIA = Sim Bhullar????

I thought I heard the four popes were granting him a papal schoalie

paulxu

03-03-2011, 04:34 PM

I know zilch about this guy, except that he's really tall.

A year banging around in practice with King Kenny would probably do him a lot of good.

SixFig

03-03-2011, 04:38 PM

No 2011 Scholarship + Latham MIA = Sim Bhullar????

Could be.

or it could be:

No 2011 Scholarship + Tu NBA = Sim Bhullar

Again this is just baseless speculation...I really want to keep Jordan Latham. And Tu.

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-03-2011, 07:23 PM

I haven't heard one thing about his visit from anyone. I assume he had a great time (how could you not)

Whully Bhully!

UnCaged

03-03-2011, 07:44 PM

XUFan09

03-03-2011, 11:15 PM

UnCaged, I'm thinking along similar lines to you. I think he could be a good D1 player and with a lot of conditioning, he could really improve his run game. However, I just wonder how he would fit in with other guys speed-wise. Of course, after Kenny got in good shape, he was able to run well and keep up with the fast-break offense. Still Kenny might be more athletic than this kid. If Xavier were to pick him up for 2011, I bet he would redshirt to get in shape and spend a year learning under the senior center.

Ledantwan

03-04-2011, 02:37 AM

I've read a ton about this guy the past few weeks and seen a bit of video as well. And I just don't see the allure of having this kid at X. He's just way too slow to be effective in almost any type of offense unless we go Wisconsin huge and just go zone.

I'm no scout, but my view must be severely obstructed compared to the rest of our fanbase. Just don't think he's in Xavier's league when it comes to the type of caliber recruit we're bringing in.

Just my two cents, if he does end up getting an offer...I put my trust in Chris and Pat. Maybe they're looking to beef up some future tackle football game against UC's ballers?

If you judge "caliber of recruit" by his offers, its hard to say he's beneath Xavier. He has offers from Pitt, Georgetown, WVU, Connecticut, etc.

It's not like he just has a couple MAC offers or we'd be stealing him from Illinois St. or something. If he doesn't end up at X, he's probably going to end up at one of the top schools in the Big East.

UnCaged

03-04-2011, 09:17 AM

If you judge "caliber of recruit" by his offers, its hard to say he's beneath Xavier. He has offers from Pitt, Georgetown, WVU, Connecticut, etc.

It's not like he just has a couple MAC offers or we'd be stealing him from Illinois St. or something. If he doesn't end up at X, he's probably going to end up at one of the top schools in the Big East.

Yes, it's always best to judge a recruit by who they're getting offers from. Because no recruit that ever went to the Big East powers that be ever ended up sucking. Also, look at the style of play of the teams you're mentioning...they play slowdown offense with a defense hellbent on physical play. With the way Mack is grooming his recruits, that isn't the style of play we'll be going after.

I didn't say he's worthless, just questioning what he's really going to give to a Xavier program that hasn't HAD to play a zone ever. Read the quotes from his coaches, we'd have no choice but to play zone. Not that it's the end of the world, but if he's that effing slow, what's the offense going to be like? And unlike his high school games where he's going up against the 6'4 C from Holy Catholic Mount Whitus, the players that play the center spot in college are athletes. And they will throw his stuff for miles. Ask Reggie Butler, who was a big kid who got abused by the athletic play in college. (that is not to say Reggie was in the same league as this kid, because he was 10x quicker and athletic).

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-04-2011, 10:39 AM

I'm going to disagree some. These are some of the reason I like this.

1) It will be for 2011 if he commits. Granted I hate the idea of someone leaving, but these things happen. If its going to happen, I'd rather have a great plan B. Xavier has brought in some 2011 recruits to take in games recently. I think there's a big chance someone is leaving. With his recruitment for 2011, it still gives Xavier plenty of options for 2012 with 3 scholarships available

2) His potential is through the roof. Yes you are right. Right now he's slow, clumsy, and unsure of himself. No one will ever confuse him for Ussain Bolt. But he's a junior in high school experiencing rapid growth. Shaq and other big men were exactly the same way(not comparing him to shaq the player - just as growing into his body). In one of those videos, I saw Sim out of position and he still blocked a 6'9" guy from an elite academy going in for a tomahawk slam without jumping. His wingspan is well over 8 feet.

3) I would immediately redshirt him. Putting him on a strict diet/weightroom/cardio plan for a year would do wonders for his lateral speed, strength, and conditioning. Practicing with the team would help him adjust to high level division 1 basketball while learning the system and the players. A full year to develop all that and back to the basket moves would be critical. He's already lost 25 pounds since the beginning of his high school season so apparently he's serious about getting his body right. He's a really smart kid so there won't be any issues with him not learning the system or what he needs to do.

So if you look at what he is right now, I agree with you. But if you look at what he could be 2-3 years from now, it could be scary. I think he is worth the risk

Ledantwan

03-04-2011, 10:42 AM

Yes, it's always best to judge a recruit by who they're getting offers from. Because no recruit that ever went to the Big East powers that be ever ended up sucking. Also, look at the style of play of the teams you're mentioning...they play slowdown offense with a defense hellbent on physical play. With the way Mack is grooming his recruits, that isn't the style of play we'll be going after.

I didn't say he's worthless, just questioning what he's really going to give to a Xavier program that hasn't HAD to play a zone ever. Read the quotes from his coaches, we'd have no choice but to play zone. Not that it's the end of the world, but if he's that effing slow, what's the offense going to be like? And unlike his high school games where he's going up against the 6'4 C from Holy Catholic Mount Whitus, the players that play the center spot in college are athletes. And they will throw his stuff for miles. Ask Reggie Butler, who was a big kid who got abused by the athletic play in college. (that is not to say Reggie was in the same league as this kid, because he was 10x quicker and athletic).

True friend. My comment was specifically in response to you saying he wasn't the caliber of recruit X has been getting recently. Just from a simple recruiting perspective, beating a bunch of top BE teams would actually be a small step up for us and not down as far as caliber of recruit.

With Sim, I think people are looking at what he is right now as a 16 year old and assuming that's what he'll be when he's 20. With our ability to develop players, especially big guys, I have confidence in the coaching staff that if they choose to go hard after Bhullar (his multiple visits) that they feel they can develop him.

Lastly, if you look at the depth chart up front, we can afford to take a guy who doesn't play much early. In 2012, we'll still have Jeff Robinson, Travis Taylor, Jordan Latham, Griffin McKenzie and Jalen Reynolds. So whoever we add from here on out is just going to be big guy #6 (and we never play 6 bigs, rotation is usually 4 guys).

Realistically, with all these young big guys already in the program, whoever we recruit isn't going to be expected to make an impact until 2013 or 2014. Nobody can say for sure what Sim will be like at that point in time, but I can see taking a chance on him and hoping you can develop him.

Just seeing him in person Wednesday and realizing how big 7'5 is gets you to think about the upside if it did work out...

Ledantwan

03-04-2011, 10:44 AM

Jimmy 2 Times, its funny, we had almost identical thoughts and posted them at almost the exact same time. Anyway, I agree completely. Who knows what Sim will be like in 2013 or 2014, but his upside is pretty crazy.

Also, one small point about the scholarship numbers: As it currently stands, we have zero for 2011 and two for 2012. If somebody leaves, we'd have either an extra for 2011 and still two for 2012 or we'd just have 3 for 2012.

From what I understand, Sim can graduate early if he wants to but he hasn't yet decided whether he will, so he could still end up being 2012, which would probably be best for Xavier. If we assume at least one guy leaves over the next 2 years (pretty likely), we could have a 3 man class of DSR, Dejuan Marrero and Sim Bhullar for 2012. That would be a nice mix of upside and immediate impact.

American X

03-04-2011, 11:43 AM

Everyone - chill way out on potential transfer talk. We do not allow unsubstantiated rumormongering here and do not want to start rampant deleting.

Thanks. Go X.

EDIT: Jumpy's previous post was removed at his request and I removed the subsequent responses. Thank you for patronizing XavierHoops. Come back often. Supporting Memberships are still available at yesterday's prices.

Atlas

03-06-2011, 09:46 PM

Question. I was on Musketeer Scoop (not a member there) and noticed they show us as not offering Sim. Is this true? Are we going to offer?

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-07-2011, 12:02 PM

Question. I was on Musketeer Scoop (not a member there) and noticed they show us as not offering Sim. Is this true? Are we going to offer?

To be honest, I have no idea if Xavier has offered or not. Everything is kinda murky now that he's contemplating moving up to the 2011 class. Xavier and Sim obviously have some big time mutual interest though seeing that this was his 2nd unofficial visit in a short time period

Benxman

03-07-2011, 08:19 PM

Here is the link to an in depth article about the Bhullar brothers, Sim and Tanveer. They sound pretty good to me.

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1087336

I watched the films of them and also saw Sim at the Cintas Center during the Charlotte game. To begin with, not only is he super tall, but he has really broad shoulders, as well.
Someone said he doesn't look like he enjoys basketball, but on one of the films, he hit a long shot, either a 3 or a long 2 and the grin on his face along with his interaction with his team mates sure seemed to indicate to me that he was having a good time. The article also mentioned his lack of control after committing a foul. I would love to have him and his brother at XU.
I say, "If you can get him to X, do it!"

GO MUSKIES!

:logo:

nkymuskie

03-13-2011, 01:25 PM

Sim's coming to campus today with a teammate from his aau team according to his teammates twitter

Stefanj33: Drivin to Xavier wit @SimBhullar2

His teammate seems like a pretty good player too btw

nkymuskie

03-13-2011, 01:27 PM

His teammates name is Stefan Jankovic

More Cowbell

03-13-2011, 01:47 PM

Methinks he is coming for the NCAA Tournament Selection Show.

SixFig

03-13-2011, 01:51 PM

Sim's coming to campus today with a teammate from his aau team according to his teammates twitter

Stefanj33: Drivin to Xavier wit @SimBhullar2

His teammate seems like a pretty good player too btw

Jankovic is ranked #81 overall for 2012 by ESPN. Are they a package deal?

These guys spend more time at Xavier than Father Graham

nkymuskie

03-13-2011, 01:58 PM

Methinks he is coming for the NCAA Tournament Selection Show.

I would also assume that is why he would be here

Benxman

03-13-2011, 11:32 PM

I think he is coming because he likes it at XU and feels comfortable here. Notice he is coming to XU, and not UC. Also, WVU is probably closer than XU. That he is coming here, whether it is to watch Selection Sunday or whatever, is great news.

Can anyone shed some light on his class? (2011 or 2012?) It would be great if we could get him for 2012. He would be a year more mature and we wouldn't have scholly problems. I thought he was a junior, but I keep seeing people refer to him as a possible 2011 recruit? What's up with that?

Thanks in advance for any info.

GO MUSKIES!

:sword:

bobbiemcgee

03-13-2011, 11:51 PM

Jankovic is ranked #81 overall for 2012 by ESPN. Are they a package deal?

These guys spend more time at Xavier than Father Graham

His mom sends him up here, can't afford the massive food bill.

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-14-2011, 01:05 AM

xufan02

03-14-2011, 08:35 AM

I have heard that Xavier would like Sim Bhullar, but their #1 choice would be AJ Hammons. I think they are going to slow play this one.

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-14-2011, 11:24 AM

I have heard that Xavier would like Sim Bhullar, but their #1 choice would be AJ Hammons. I think they are going to slow play this one.

But they are different classes. I don't think its a 1 or the other type situation and if X does indeed offer Bhullar, I don't know if Sim will be able to play more than 15-20 mpg . Obviously hammons is much more talented and polished. I just don't see it as an either or option. What a weapon it would be to bring in an in shape Sim off the bench to give Hammons some rest...Opposing teams would have nightmares in the paint

xufan02

03-14-2011, 12:07 PM

I know Sim just re-classified, but I really do not see Xavier taking both; it is a one or the other.

Xman95

03-14-2011, 08:14 PM

If he did re-classify for 2011, then I'm guessing his decision will be based on one of two things:

1.) Does Tu leave early?
2.) Does anyone transfer?

If the answer to either is "yes" then I think it opens the door for Sim to be at X next year. However, if "no" is the answer to both and he stays in the 2011 class, then obviously he won't be bound for X.

I will say that it would be nice to have this learning for a year behind Kenny. He could have a mentor who went through the same things. When kids are that big it's easy to just expect to dominate without working hard because your size has made it so easy. But as you move up it becomes more difficult because you're now playing against so many other kids blessed with similar size. Kenny has learned that lesson and could help this kid a lot. Plus their games are going to be similar in that both are huge but neither is overly athletic. They both need to utilize positioning, strength, smarts, etc. because they're not going to jump over people, outrun people or be quicker than most people.

Benxman

03-14-2011, 09:17 PM

I'd like to see them get either Hammons or Bhullar, but I hope they don't play it so slow that they lose both of them! That would be the worst of all worlds. Both these kids have the potential to be big time centers.

As soon as the season ends, and we see what Tu is going to do and have a little better idea of who will be back and who won't, then let's work hard to get one or both of these kids verballed.

I'm sure that CMack and company are reading this to see what I recommend. ;)

GO MUSKIES!

:sword:

xufan02

03-14-2011, 09:26 PM

I see three players that Xavier could be involved with this offseason including Sim Bhullar. Xavier will be involved with McDonald's AA and former Kansas State player Wally Judge. Capel was fired at Oklahoma, Robert Goff will be back on the market. Also I have heard Ari Stewart might be looking to get out of Wake. I would take all three of these players as 2011 signees before Sim Bhullar.

Judge would be eligible second semester of next year, and have 2 1/2 years of eligibility. Goff would be eligible immediately and have two seasons. Ari would have to sit out and would have two years. Judge is the only one on the market right now, but the other two are likely.

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-14-2011, 10:01 PM

I'd like to see them get either Hammons or Bhullar, but I hope they don't play it so slow that they lose both of them! That would be the worst of all worlds. Both these kids have the potential to be big time centers.

I'm sure that CMack and company are reading this to see what I recommend. ;)

GO MUSKIES!

:sword:

Haha. I'd like to get both of them. Looks like UC is in real close with Hammons right now after he visited them for the GTown game

Xman95

03-14-2011, 10:08 PM

Haha. I'd like to get both of them. Looks like UC is in real close with Hammons right now after he visited them for the GTown game

He actually came into town to watch X play, but they were at SLU that day. So Hammons figured he would make use of his time by taking in a local high school game!

outsideobserver11

03-15-2011, 10:34 AM

That is correct, UC is very close with Hammons at this point. I'm still not sold on Bhullar he really lacks mobility I think. I see him being similar to Biggie McClain at UC now, big and slow and wasting a scholly. There is no way you can play an uptempo style of game with Bhullar on the court.

I have been hearing the name Charles Mitchell popping up for Xavier. He is a big bodied forward out of Georgia, ranked #62 on rivals.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Charles-Mitchell-88160;_ylt=AtNo4T.dxR2L66us__AiysLVO5B4?colleges=s how#college_choices

xuwin

03-15-2011, 11:08 AM

UnCaged

03-15-2011, 11:48 AM

Xavier could play the same style of game that they are with their 7'-0" guy now only he is 5" taller. With a 6'-9" shot blocker Reynolds inside with a 7'-5" center that would make a pretty intimidating defense inside.

That's not true. Even his high school coach said that he has to play a zone because he's not quick enough to play man to man. Xavier has played a zone for about 3% of their entire possessions this year. His mere presence would make our packline a non-option.

I don't think people understand exactly how immobile someone that large is. We're not speaking about someone who may get beat from time to time. We're talking about a Colossos type human being who may need 3 years to even get significant run.

Again, if Chris and Pat think they can work with him...then his interest seems like he'll be pulling on jersey #99 before too long. But if not, he's someone else's project. I hope like he!! the kid has turned a corner and will be able to be a monster lane clogger for our defense, but with the players we have and recruit, I don't want him to be a lane clogger on offense. Just my two cents.

xuwin

03-15-2011, 11:51 AM

That's not true. Even his high school coach said that he has to play a zone because he's not quick enough to play man to man. Xavier has played a zone for about 3% of their entire possessions this year. His mere presence would make our packline a non-option.

I don't think people understand exactly how immobile someone that large is. We're not speaking about someone who may get beat from time to time. We're talking about a Colossos type human being who may need 3 years to even get significant run.

Again, if Chris and Pat think they can work with him...then his interest seems like he'll be pulling on jersey #99 before too long. But if not, he's someone else's project. I hope like he!! the kid has turned a corner and will be able to be a monster lane clogger for our defense, but with the players we have and recruit, I don't want him to be a lane clogger on offense. Just my two cents.

Xavier will play man to man with him. His high school coach won't be coaching him.

xufan02

03-15-2011, 12:01 PM

That's not true. Even his high school coach said that he has to play a zone because he's not quick enough to play man to man. Xavier has played a zone for about 3% of their entire possessions this year. His mere presence would make our packline a non-option.

I don't think people understand exactly how immobile someone that large is. We're not speaking about someone who may get beat from time to time. We're talking about a Colossos type human being who may need 3 years to even get significant run.

Again, if Chris and Pat think they can work with him...then his interest seems like he'll be pulling on jersey #99 before too long. But if not, he's someone else's project. I hope like he!! the kid has turned a corner and will be able to be a monster lane clogger for our defense, but with the players we have and recruit, I don't want him to be a lane clogger on offense. Just my two cents.

I agree 100%. I do not think Xavier can play our game or desired pace with Sim Bhullar on the court. I think he is a 3 year project at a minimum, and that is if his feet hold up. Seems like a great kid, but I think we have other options that could play quicker, and are safer gets.

Juice

03-15-2011, 01:06 PM

That's not true. Even his high school coach said that he has to play a zone because he's not quick enough to play man to man. Xavier has played a zone for about 3% of their entire possessions this year. His mere presence would make our packline a non-option.

I don't think people understand exactly how immobile someone that large is. We're not speaking about someone who may get beat from time to time. We're talking about a Colossos type human being who may need 3 years to even get significant run.

Again, if Chris and Pat think they can work with him...then his interest seems like he'll be pulling on jersey #99 before too long. But if not, he's someone else's project. I hope like he!! the kid has turned a corner and will be able to be a monster lane clogger for our defense, but with the players we have and recruit, I don't want him to be a lane clogger on offense. Just my two cents.

I get scared when Kenny hedges a screen, can you imagine what it would be like with Sim?

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-21-2011, 02:30 PM

SimBhullar2 Sim Bhullar
Let's go Xavier !

SixFig

03-21-2011, 02:35 PM

Sim loves him some Xavier

More Cowbell

03-21-2011, 03:03 PM

SimBhullar2 Sim Bhullar
Let's go Xavier !

When was this posted?

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-21-2011, 03:30 PM

When was this posted?

Right before the game vs Marquette. There are other tweets too of him actively rooting on the team.

smileyy

03-24-2011, 01:17 AM

I think XU should recruit Sim just to get hundreds of millions of Indians to wear Xavier gear...

waggy

03-24-2011, 11:40 PM

Any questions?

XMuskieFTW

03-25-2011, 12:45 AM

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-25-2011, 06:21 AM

What's the latest on this kid? I've heard rumors about reclassifying as 2011 but I feel like realistically there is slim to no shot of that. Other than that anyone know how he's done in competition lately? if he's even been playing...

If he goes to Xavier, it will be for 2011. His grades are very very good from what I hear. Judging by his tweets and the amount of unofficial visits he's taken, I'd say there is a ton of mutual interest between the two

As for competition, he still has a lot of work to do (mainly on his body and conditioning). I've heard he's lost 20-25 pounds already since the high school season started so hopefully he's serious about becoming a legitimate talent. He played for a prep school in West Virginia this past season so he played against legit competition on a regular basis.

He's gonna be a project wherever he commits to so I wouldn't expect an immediate impact but his upside is tremendous.

XMuskieFTW

03-25-2011, 02:34 PM

If he goes to Xavier, it will be for 2011. His grades are very very good from what I hear. Judging by his tweets and the amount of unofficial visits he's taken, I'd say there is a ton of mutual interest between the two

As for competition, he still has a lot of work to do (mainly on his body and conditioning). I've heard he's lost 20-25 pounds already since the high school season started so hopefully he's serious about becoming a legitimate talent. He played for a prep school in West Virginia this past season so he played against legit competition on a regular basis.

He's gonna be a project wherever he commits to so I wouldn't expect an immediate impact but his upside is tremendous.

Even if he doesn't come here in 2011 why not 2012? I feel like he's more likely to come here in 2012 than 2011

XUFan09

03-25-2011, 07:36 PM

I think Xavier would prefer A.J. Hammonds for 2012, which might be why they're stretching the recruiting process out. Just speculation.

ThePowerOfX

03-25-2011, 08:32 PM

If he comes here it will be 2011, Im just guessing we cant officially slot him in due to not having a scholarship for him at this point of time (if the interest is as mutual as it seems)

smileyy

03-26-2011, 01:00 AM

Was the question of whether XU has offered to him been resolved? None of the recruiting sites I can find list XU as making an offer.

MADXSTER

03-26-2011, 01:08 AM

Xavier really cannot offer since we do not have an opening. Yet??

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-28-2011, 08:25 PM

The big man running the floor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1CsGYzdTRo

HuskyMuskie

03-28-2011, 09:09 PM

The big man running the floor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1CsGYzdTRo

The title of this video led me to believe it was impressive. I was sorely mistaken.

MADXSTER

03-29-2011, 12:29 AM

I believe he was a sophomore in that video.

UnCaged

03-29-2011, 10:50 AM

While at first very hesitant to even give Sim a chance due to the video I'd seen of him and his own coaches hinting at his massive issues with mobility, I have seen a few videos that do make him look much more agile (not catlike by any means, but he is quick with his moves). However, there has still not been anything that convinces me he will ever be able to jump much more than 4-5 inches (not that he really needs to) or run down the court with a team that is as athletic as X will be in the coming seasons.

If we're looking to slow down the game and feed it inside, then he'd be a great option due to his touch and just enormous size. Some of the videos show he also has a mean streak as after he'd been swatted at by a few gnats playing on opposing teams, he'd stare them down or toss the ball in their direction. While I realize that's something that pisses off the old-timers around here as they consider it flashy and showing off. I love a mean streak in a young player and it seems as though he's got it in spades. Or, he was just tired of carrying around the 6'1, 180 lb players on the other team. Regardless, it was nice to see that he's not some gentle giant.

Still undecided on him, but as usual, I'll defer to our Gentleman Scientist and his band of basketball chemists/assistants.

JimmyTwoTimes37

03-29-2011, 11:29 AM

The key is to see what he could be if he changes his body (which he will at any major program).

There's a reason GTown, WVU, Pitt, X, UC, and others are all after him. They see what he could be if/when he changes his body.

mohr5150

03-29-2011, 06:42 PM

ArizonaXUGrad

03-29-2011, 07:52 PM

Honestly, he just looks too uncoordinated. That said, I trust the current regime. If they think he will be a fit, then we should trust the coaches.

I am wondering who would leave the program to facilitate the open scholarship.

Ledantwan

04-01-2011, 11:02 AM

After watching a few of his videos, here are my thoughts:

Does he do much of anything but dunk? Would I do much of anything but dunk if I was seven foot four?

I actually thought he looked like someone X may want to continue to pursue. I wouldn't pass up on him and think there is a major upside to him through development.

From what I've seen/read, he has a lot of similarities offensively to Kenny as far as ability to make those little 10 footers, soft touch around the rim and he's a pretty good free throw shooter. I guess he can even hit 3 pointers with some regularity, though like Kenny, I doubt he does it much, if at all, in games.

The entire thing with Sim will be how athletic and in-shape he is in 2 or 3 years. I saw him in the concourse at Cintas and he has definitely lost a lot of baby fat since some of these videos. But he still needs to drop 20 or 30 pounds and then start adding some good weight. Needs to work on his stamina and speed. If he works hard, I don't see any reason he can't be as athletic as a guy like Roy Hibbert was in college.

If it doesn't work out and he never gets in good enough shape to play or if it takes a few years until he can contribute, its not the end of the world. We have 13 scholarships and usually only play about 8 guys.

crolfes12

04-05-2011, 08:26 PM

PMI

04-05-2011, 08:31 PM

I have a friend who is very close to Xavier basketball. He knows the student managers and is close with Bobinski and Graham. He said Bhullar is going to Xavier :) He will commit soon, but X is trying to keep it private. GET THIS... SIM IS ELIGIBLE FOR NEXT SEASON 11-12. The X staff says me may be redshirted so when Kenny Frease graduates Sim will be a "ready" freshman.
:sword:

Then why are you posting it on a message board? This is not breaking news.

MuskiePimp23

04-05-2011, 08:36 PM

I have a friend who is very close to Xavier basketball. He knows the student managers and is close with Bobinski and Graham. He said Bhullar is going to Xavier :) He will commit soon, but X is trying to keep it private. GET THIS... SIM IS ELIGIBLE FOR NEXT SEASON 11-12. The X staff says me may be redshirted so when Kenny Frease graduates Sim will be a "ready" freshman.
:sword:

If Sim has not committed, then he is not yet a Muskie...This is not news that he is a heavy Xavier lean, we do not have room for him yet, until someone officially transfers.

Backyard Champ

04-05-2011, 08:36 PM

Then why are you posting it on a message board? This is not breaking news.

I was thinking the same thing PMI.

Denver Muskie

04-05-2011, 09:25 PM

Talk about misleading headlines. I need to add this to the pet peeves thread.

ArizonaXUGrad

04-05-2011, 09:35 PM

Doubtful but maybe he loves us so much he wants to walk-on. :D

HuskyMuskie

04-05-2011, 09:54 PM

Talk about misleading headlines. I need to add this to the pet peeves thread.

I agree with this. That is all.

Wait, nevermind. What don't people get about NO. ROOM.? But if/when somebody leaves, how funny it will be to watch a 7'5" FREAK mature...in a Xavier uniform.

XUFan09

04-06-2011, 01:20 AM

Maybe the coaching staff already knows someone is transferring, but they're keeping it under wraps until after the banquet. Whatever happens, I figure that a couple weeks from now we'll know what's going on for sure.

xu95

04-06-2011, 12:24 PM

The staff absolutely knows if someone or a group of people are transferring already. They are not surprised when a transfer is finally announced. Now do we know who it is (if any)? Maybe, maybe not.

xu95

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-06-2011, 02:25 PM

I may have already posted this video earlier, but here is him in early feb. You can see some of the weight he's lost already (still has more to go). He's moving much better up and down the court than in prior videos(see 11:16 where he dunks it then gets back down the court for a block in transition). Also, he passes pretty well for a guy his size as evidenced by the clip near the beginning. Nice little hook at 11:50. His body, conditioning and speed has already changed from Nov-Feb, imagine what a college program would do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZy4CLimZ-Q

SixFig

04-06-2011, 02:54 PM

Hopefully Sim is a 2 for 1 package with Stephan Jankovic, a 4 star top 100 PF in the 2012 class. European style forward, could be an improved Justin Doellman

xu15

04-06-2011, 03:04 PM

Hopefully Sim is a 2 for 1 package with Stephan Jankovic, a 4 star top 100 PF in the 2012 class. European style forward, could be an improved Justin Doellman

I hope so. I think that kid will be really good.

MarvAlbert

04-06-2011, 07:05 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8HMD5VYrGg

No mention of X...and he named 12 schools

HuskyMuskie

04-06-2011, 11:01 PM

Will somebody please make this kid his own recruiting page, if we are indeed going after him? I have heard ZERO mention of him before Sim came along.

PMI

04-06-2011, 11:42 PM

I don't think he's actually a target. I could be wrong but I haven't seen his name on any X-related recruiting sites.

MarvAlbert

04-07-2011, 12:33 AM

I don't think he's a legitimate target, but I'm pretty sure he's been on 1 or 2 visits to Xavier with Sim.

boozehound

04-07-2011, 08:36 AM

Hopefully Sim is a 2 for 1 package with Stephan Jankovic, a 4 star top 100 PF in the 2012 class. European style forward, could be an improved Justin Doellman

What is a European style forward? Does he wear a speedo when plays?

HuskyMuskie

04-08-2011, 01:51 PM

Over or under one month until he "commits?"

PMI

04-08-2011, 02:12 PM

Over or under one month until he "commits?"

I'll go way under.

xtremefan13

04-08-2011, 02:15 PM

over under a week?

XMuskieFTW

04-08-2011, 02:16 PM

monday...calling it

XUFan09

04-08-2011, 02:37 PM

over under a week?

Over (under two weeks)

HuskyMuskie

04-08-2011, 03:06 PM

I made it a month because he is currently a junior in high school, correct? And he has to requalify for all that stuff academically. So I figured I'd give him a little more time to get his stuff all figured out. But in either case, I'm taking the under as well.

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-08-2011, 03:10 PM

I'm going under as well. We need a nickname. Cheese has a good one we may have to use. "The Simalaya".

xu95

04-08-2011, 03:13 PM

I would be surprised if he doesn't verbal by the end of the weekend.

muskiefan82

04-08-2011, 03:17 PM

I may need to update my Avatar picture....

448

Might be a good name for a group of fans.....

The Sims Livin' Large Expansion Pack.

danaandvictory

04-08-2011, 04:20 PM

I'm going under as well. We need a nickname. Cheese has a good one we may have to use. "The Simalaya".

Please note that THE SIMALAYA is to be in all caps, as befits a man who is eight feet tall. Also, the ALAYA at the end vaguely resembles a mountain range, which amuses me.

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-08-2011, 04:28 PM

Please note that THE SIMALAYA is to be in all caps, as befits a man who is eight feet tall. Also, the ALAYA at the end vaguely resembles a mountain range, which amuses me.

http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab82/NBow37/Simalaya.jpg?t=1302294593

HuskyMuskie

04-08-2011, 05:00 PM

Dear Muskie82,

You have officially robbed the Popes out of an epic idea for the upcoming years, and ruined the suprise. Thank you for crushing our hopes and dreams.

I look forward to coming up with a creative group name for the next 7'5" guy to commit to Xavier.

Thanks a million.

Signed,
The Popes

:D

GreatWhiteNorth

04-08-2011, 05:10 PM

I still like "SIM Tower" better.....more civilized.

Masterofreality

04-09-2011, 11:15 AM

Dave Telep just tweeted that Sim is

"a legit 7:5 and a legit 355."

Wow. But can he run the floor? #clogger?

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-10-2011, 10:33 PM

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-boo-nike-0411-20110410,0,3838756.story

"Though Bhullar's size makes him stand out, he possesses the skill set to become an accomplished player. He has good hands and footwork. He has a decent shooting stroke to roughly 18 feet and says he's capable of making 3-pointers. He plays with his head up and passes better than most high school big men.

"The beauty of it is, you can run plays with him," Davis said. "He has a really high basketball IQ. Guys like playing with him."

Said Webster-Chan: "He's a great passer. He loves to pass the ball out of the paint. If you're cutting to the basket and open, he'll find you."

Bhullar's most significant issue is conditioning. He usually plays short stretches, and the often-frenetic pace of AAU ball is a little quick for him.

"He was a big kid who could barely get up and down the court," said Davis, who has coached Bhullar since he was 13. "He's worked really hard on his conditioning and stamina, and he can play for much longer stretches now."

"I want to get in shape so that I can play the whole game," said Bhullar, who weighed 365 pounds when he first arrived at prep school two years ago. "I'm getting used to my body now. I've lost a couple pounds, so I can get up and down the court better."

Bhullar already is well aware of basketball's big man's curse, where size often doesn't lend itself to consideration from officials.

"When you go in for a layup, guys are hacking me," he said, holding out forearms full of fresh scrapes. "You can see, I've got cuts all over my arms, but I don't get that call."

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-11-2011, 02:55 PM

http://www.flagrantfouls.com/2011/04/canucks-nike-eybl-hampton-final-recap/

Sim Bhullar, CIA Bounce (7-5, C, 2012)

The "Simsation" started the weekend relatively slowly as he was struggling to find a touch running with so many talented guards. As the week progressed, he found his groove and did a good job in the middle of the 2-3 zone. He was pretty active in regards to what we've seen in the past, contested and altered shots, and scored when he got a paint touch. CIA Bounce played their best basketball of the weekend when they made a concerted effort to get him a touch in half court situations. Going forward the guards have to realize it's important that the big fella gets to eat.

vs. Texas Titans 15 mins, 7 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks, 3-4 FG

vs. Metro Hawks 14 mins, 12 points, 6 rebounds, 4 blocks, 5-7 FG

vs. Seattle Rotary 18 mins, 12 points, 8 rebounds, 6 blocks, 5-8 FG

Masterofreality

04-11-2011, 06:01 PM

I hope he can make free throws or else it will be "Foul-ah Bhullah" every time down.

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-11-2011, 06:07 PM

I hope he can make free throws or else it will be "Foul-ah Bhullah" every time down.

Supposedly he can. Thats a definite plus.

Cheese proposes "THE SIMALAYA" as a nickname. Not bad.

This article says "Simsation". Eh.

I'm leaning towards "The Simuation" after Jersey Shore

Or we could move towards his Canadian or Indian heritage for a nickname.

xuwin

04-11-2011, 06:10 PM

I hope he can make free throws or else it will be "Foul-ah Bhullah" every time down.

Good point. Is there any way to find out his free throw stats for the year? I really don't care for players that are worthy of "Hack a Shaq" tactics.

MADXSTER

04-11-2011, 06:17 PM

http://www.flagrantfouls.com/2011/04/canucks-nike-eybl-hampton-final-recap/

Sim Bhullar, CIA Bounce (7-5, C, 2012)

vs. Texas Titans 15 mins, 7 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks, 3-4 FG

vs. Metro Hawks 14 mins, 12 points, 6 rebounds, 4 blocks, 5-7 FG

vs. Seattle Rotary 18 mins, 12 points, 8 rebounds, 6 blocks, 5-8 FG

The stats do not show how many shots were altered. FG% is pretty darn good. 13-19

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-11-2011, 06:59 PM

http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab82/NBow37/TheSimuation.jpg?t=1302562749

Jumpy

04-11-2011, 09:05 PM

Over or under one month until he "commits?"

Over. He won't officially commit until he graduates next month.

xgonnagiveittoya

04-12-2011, 09:05 AM

So Sim is now a sure thing to be a freshman or redshirted next year? What about the other scholarship we have, who are we going to use it on?
Go Xavier

Titanxman04

04-12-2011, 09:19 AM

I don't think it's an official deal (wouldn't mind being proven wrong), but there are a lot of schools on his list, and while I understand we're up there, I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatched.

Muskie1995

04-12-2011, 05:28 PM

Sounds like Sim is going to go through the AAU season before commtting. We were spoiled with Dee Davis & Dez Wells committing so ealry in the recruiting process we have come to expect that it be the case going forward. I think more & more kids are waiting because of all the coaching changes before committing which is reasonable & understandable. In the end if I had boatload of money & I would put it on Sim coming to X when it's all said & done

Xman95

04-12-2011, 05:46 PM

Sounds like Sim is going to go through the AAU season before commtting. We were spoiled with Dee Davis & Dez Wells committing so ealry in the recruiting process we have come to expect that it be the case going forward.

But if Sim is actually going to be part of the 2011 class (which is what it seems), it's going to be a little late if he waits until the AAU season is finished. Most kids don't wait until the summer before their freshman year to declare.

Muskie1995

04-12-2011, 11:34 PM

But if Sim is actually going to be part of the 2011 class (which is what it seems), it's going to be a little late if he waits until the AAU season is finished. Most kids don't wait until the summer before their freshman year to declare.

Why will it be late? Schools can take recruits without them signing LOI's all they need to is enroll in classes.

Remember Churchill Odia.

Xman95

04-12-2011, 11:55 PM

Why will it be late? Schools can take recruits without them signing LOI's all they need to is enroll in classes.

Remember Churchill Odia.

Because all programs want to hold a spot open for a guy who may tell them, "no thanks," just before school starts. I'm not saying it's late to mean that it wouldn't be possible, just that most guys have made up their minds a long time prior to the summer before their freshman year. Think about it, if you're Chris Mack do you really want to wait until July to find out if a kid is going to be heading to X in two months to play for you? Again, not saying it can't be done. But it's not the ideal situation for a coach if a kid waits that long. It would be very late compared to the norm.

SixFig

04-13-2011, 01:04 AM

I've got it!

SIMCINNATI!

Xman95

04-13-2011, 01:26 AM

I've got it!

SIMCINNATI!

That's Simsational!!

muskiefan82

04-13-2011, 08:35 AM

Why will it be late? Schools can take recruits without them signing LOI's all they need to is enroll in classes.

Remember Churchill Odia.

Please let this be the first and only time Sim and Odia are used in the same sentence.

Believe me, I remember Churchill Odia.

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-13-2011, 08:54 AM

I've got it!

SIMCINNATI!

As Xman95 would say, that's simsational

So Simbolic of Sim's Simuation possibly and probably coming here to Simcinnati on an athletic Simlarship.

HuskyMuskie

04-13-2011, 09:44 AM

...pray for us Simmers, now, and at the hour of our death. Amen.

muskiefan82

04-13-2011, 09:57 AM

It Sims to me that Sim of you are a little Simple minded.

Mark 3 Pointer

04-13-2011, 10:03 AM

Y'all need to Sim-ma down now.

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-13-2011, 10:48 AM

Theme song?

Simple Man?

XMuskieFTW

04-13-2011, 01:00 PM

Theme song?

Simple Man?

Theme Band?

Simple Plan? :D

muskiefan82

04-13-2011, 01:15 PM

Theme song?

Simple Man?

The Lion King - Sim-ba

I can't wait until the students set up tents outside for tickets and call the place Sim City.

You know it's coming....

ArizonaXUGrad

04-13-2011, 05:04 PM

So if we were such a lock for this guy why has he not inked a LOI yet?

Isn't today signing day?

smileyy

04-13-2011, 05:08 PM

So if we were such a lock for this guy why has he not inked a LOI yet?

Isn't today signing day?

No, that's in November.

SixFig

04-13-2011, 05:44 PM

No, that's in November.

Actually there are two different signing periods. One now and one in November

ArizonaXUGrad

04-13-2011, 06:42 PM

Today is the start of the signing period for the late 2011s to sign with their teams. I thought Sim was going to reclassify to 2011.

smileyy

04-13-2011, 07:13 PM

Right, duh. He couldn't really sign in November and enroll in August or whenever...:)

SixFig

04-16-2011, 06:46 PM

RickBroering Rick Broering
Sim dunked. With two hands. Hard. In other news the basket is surprisingly still in tact. #HGJamFest

ReggieRankin Reggie Rankin
7-5 C Sim Bhullard has really improved his conditioning and mobility! Changing ends much better!

TheHoopGroup Hoop Group
Sim Bhullar has slimmed down a bunch. He's looking good at Pitt #HGJamFest

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-17-2011, 11:12 PM

Good finds Six.

The only area I was concerned about is his work ethic (due to his prior body shape) but from everything I've read, he gets slimmer seemingly every week. He's got a real bright future

Xman95

04-18-2011, 12:03 AM

Thank goodness this kid isn't looking at UD because with that gay ass Flight Club they would probably call him the Flight Simulator (despite the fact that he seems to have the vertical of Betty White).

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-18-2011, 12:48 PM

Recently saw the video of the Pitt Jam fest from Sim(not sure if I can link it). Looked A LOT better. More mobile, solid passing including a nice touch pass, blocking a ton of shots including some way out of bounds and a monstrous dunk.

Some serious potential

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-19-2011, 01:41 PM

Some short new Sim highlights...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jka_L1dy_mc&feature=youtu.be

Really improving dramatically every time out on the court. Many were impressed with his improvement

I saw a clip on a different video somewhere where Sim throws a beautiful touch pass in the lane to a cutter coming to the basket.

He passes extremely well and he has a nice touch around the basket. He is going to get the hacked beyond belief in D1 and its encouraging to know he can hit free throws pretty well

XMuskieFTW

04-27-2011, 02:36 AM

any word? It seemed 2 weeks ago we were all just waiting on his commit now nothing...anyone hear anything lately?

EternalLife

04-27-2011, 02:52 AM

ehh I'm still not sold on this kid. He doesn't seem like a D-1 athlete. He's tall and has good hands but that alone doesn't make him necessarily talented or ready for the level of play he would be entering. He seems sluggish and easily winded.

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-27-2011, 10:41 AM

UConn just offered to go along with Pitt, WV, Xavier, Cincy, Washington State, and some others

I wouldn't expect any decision until after AAU season.

He's already lost a ton of weight and turned a lot of heads at the recent Pitt AAU tourney. He's starting to show some of that potential. Can really be a force if he continues to work on his body

HuskyMuskie

04-27-2011, 12:03 PM

I have read in multiple places that he has lost 60 pounds this past calendar year in prepartion to join the college ranks. If Xavier gets Sim, it will be a GREAT get, due to his enormous size and even larger potential.

If Chris Mack thought that Sim was going to be a loafing Kenny George-esque player, we would not have offered him.

xeus

04-27-2011, 12:49 PM

GoMuskies

04-27-2011, 12:56 PM

Kenny George was awesome. He was just physically broken.

GreatWhiteNorth

04-27-2011, 01:39 PM

XUFan09

04-27-2011, 02:42 PM

We have enough scholarship to give for 2011. SIM is worth the risk, even if he turns out to be half decent. We carried other scholarship players before with less potential. But if he turns out to be awesome, wow, he would be unstoppable. At 7'5" and growing, no other college basketball player even come close. So what if he cannot play more than 20-25 min. a game, he can still contribute and dominate.

Exactly. There's a reason that teams have 13 scholarships to use and not something like 8 or 9. And I imagine that with proper conditioning under Matt Jennings, he could end up playing 25+ minutes as an upperclassmen, maybe even about 30 on average.

EternalLife

04-27-2011, 03:15 PM

If that is indeed the case, that's where Matt Jennings comes in.

And how many times do we watch the ball get stripped out of his hands by quick guards and getting posterized by versatile fast athletics 3's 4's before that comes into effect?
I guess we should be glad we play in the Atlantic 10.

HuskyMuskie

04-27-2011, 03:39 PM

And how many times do we watch the ball get stripped out of his hands by quick guards and getting posterized by versatile fast athletics 3's 4's before that comes into effect?
I guess we should be glad we play in the Atlantic 10.

The defending national champs don't play in the A10. Nor does Pitt. Or West Virginia, or Syracuse, or Washington State. Yet they have all offered Sim Bhullar.

There are NO complaints for us recruiting a guy who's size comes around once in a lifetime, who has already lost 60 pounds, and who has already been offered by NUMBEROUS prestigous programs and is working alongside OUR coaches to get his body in shape. Not one. Single. Complaint.

EternalLife

04-27-2011, 03:51 PM

The defending national champs don't play in the A10. Nor does Pitt. Or West Virginia, or Syracuse, or Washington State. Yet they have all offered Sim Bhullar.

There are NO complaints for us recruiting a guy who's size comes around once in a lifetime, who has already lost 60 pounds, and who has already been offered by NUMBEROUS prestigous programs and is working alongside OUR coaches to get his body in shape. Not one. Single. Complaint.

His offers don't put the images of his play out of my head, I wonder other than his size, what have we to look forward to? It's not the same game it used to be, with all the players who are athletic freaks we see today. Do you really think he'd fair well against the likes of UC, Marquette or Florida? I just see a walking turn over machine.
Don't care to argue back and forth on it anymore but his potential is incredibly niche and will only shine with a great deal of work put in. He's a project and we're thin this year much less next year.

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-27-2011, 07:17 PM

xu15

04-27-2011, 07:23 PM

His offers don't put the images of his play out of my head, I wonder other than his size, what have we to look forward to? It's not the same game it used to be, with all the players who are athletic freaks we see today. Do you really think he'd fair well against the likes of UC, Marquette or Florida? I just see a walking turn over machine.
Don't care to argue back and forth on it anymore but his potential is incredibly niche and will only shine with a great deal of work put in. He's a project and we're thin this year much less next year.

You're very pessimistic aren't you. Kind of annoying. We will be fine in terms of depth barring injury.

EternalLife

04-27-2011, 09:34 PM

You're very pessimistic aren't you. Kind of annoying. We will be fine in terms of depth barring injury.

Really? Suppose this guy is a stiff and a bust, after Freaze is gone and none of the other kids can take over the giant hole in our post game, is it pessimistic to say that's a sh***y situation? ....
At what point do things go from "pessimistic" to being "the way sh*t is"? I don't think Kenny is going to be so easily replaced but we'll see.

xu15

04-27-2011, 10:08 PM

Really? Suppose this guy is a stiff and a bust, after Freaze is gone and none of the other kids can take over the giant hole in our post game, is it pessimistic to say that's a sh***y situation? ....
At what point do things go from "pessimistic" to being "the way sh*t is"?
I don't think Kenny is going to be so easily replaced but we'll see.

Didn't mean to start a shit storm. I just think it's kinda crazy that you think this kid looks awful, yet Mack, Calhoun, Dixon, Huggins, and others think he's good enough to offer. Those are some damn good coaches to go against. It all depends on development. If he is developed well and works hard, he could be a great college player.

In terms of depth, we have a PF coming in each of the next 2 yrs. Two PF's next year alone if you count that Taylor starts next year as well as Reynolds. We don't need a true center if we have 2 good PF's on the floor to start.

smileyy

04-27-2011, 10:14 PM

Really? Suppose this guy is a stiff and a bust, after Freaze is gone and none of the other kids can take over the giant hole in our post game, is it pessimistic to say that's a sh***y situation? ....

Dear god, a team that's never had a 7 foot center and has been to two elite 8's without one is going to be unable to recover when that 7 foot center finally graduates? I kind of feel like we should lock you in a room with Jeff Robinson, Travis Taylor and Jalen Reynolds so you can express those sentiments to them...

danaandvictory

04-27-2011, 10:24 PM

muskienick

04-27-2011, 10:31 PM

This guy strikes me as the type of person who walks over to introduce himself to the neighbors, takes a huge steaming dump in their toilet, and leaves without flushing.

Strange! I was thinking the very same thing (but not in such a beautifully descriptive and lyrical manner).

EternalLife

04-27-2011, 10:34 PM

Didn't mean to start a shit storm. I just think it's kinda crazy that you think this kid looks awful, yet Mack, Calhoun, Dixon, Huggins, and others think he's good enough to offer. Those are some damn good coaches to go against. It all depends on development. If he is developed well and works hard, he could be a great college player.

In terms of depth, we have a PF coming in each of the next 2 yrs. Two PF's next year alone if you count that Taylor starts next year as well as Reynolds. We don't need a true center if we have 2 good PF's on the floor to start.

Well that's the other thing, we don't know that Reynolds and Taylor will be able to handle the load either. I'll remind you Calhoun tried to recruit Biggie Mcclain as well. I think some coaches are just looking for a monster to take up space in the post more than an effective ball player. I'm not fond of bigs who just rebound and dunk on terribly untalented defenses. That wont help anybody come March.

EternalLife

04-27-2011, 10:34 PM

This guy strikes me as the type of person who walks over to introduce himself to the neighbors, takes a huge steaming dump in their toilet, and leaves without flushing.

Okay, I went over-board sorry...

DoubleD86

04-27-2011, 10:46 PM

Really? Suppose this guy is a stiff and a bust, after Freaze is gone and none of the other kids can take over the giant hole in our post game, is it pessimistic to say that's a sh***y situation? ....
At what point do things go from "pessimistic" to being "the way sh*t is"? I don't think Kenny is going to be so easily replaced but we'll see.

So your situation is: imagine if, after Frease leaves, Sim is a bust, Jalen is a bust, and McKenzie is a bust, then X is screwed at the 5? Well duh, if a coach ever goes 0-3 in recruits for a specific position then yes they will have a hole. I trust Mack and the staff to at least be able to recruit and/or develop one player who can play the 5. That doesn't even take into account the possibility of just having two PF type players who play down low and playing a smaller more athletic type game. Of course, if those three and Robinson, Taylor, and Farr are all busts too then we will really struggle at the 4 and 5.....

XUFan09

04-27-2011, 10:54 PM

Well that's the other thing, we don't know that Reynolds and Taylor will be able to handle the load either. I'll remind you Calhoun tried to recruit Biggie Mcclain as well. I think some coaches are just looking for a monster to take up space in the post more than an effective ball player. I'm not fond of bigs who just rebound and dunk on terribly untalented defenses. That wont help anybody come March.

You could say that about any player, that we don't know how well they'll perform. Robinson has shown promise but he might not fulfill it. Taylor has been good in practice but it might not translate to games. Both these are true statements, but similar statements could be made about other players of the past. Tu was a really good player last year, playing next to Crawford, but he might not be able to make that next step this year and take over where Crawford left off. Crawford/Lavender has been really good in practice, but it might not translate to the game. Raymond showed some leadership and poise as a junior, but can he make the team his like Burrell did before him? If there weren't a lot of unknowns with recruits/transfers, the whole business of finding the right players would be a lot easier.

Close on the second part. They're looking to take that monster who takes up space and hopefully develop him into an effective ball player. And from the videos you can see that he has some really raw talent that if properly developed (along with of course the conditioning track he's already on), could turn him into a real beast of a center. And if they don't? Well, there are 12 other scholarship players, and he will probably transfer out anyway before his four years are up if he's not getting playing time.

EternalLife

04-27-2011, 11:06 PM

You could say that about any player, that we don't know how well they'll perform. Robinson has shown promise but he might not fulfill it. Taylor has been good in practice but it might not translate to games. Both these are true statements, but similar statements could be made about other players of the past. Tu was a really good player last year, playing next to Crawford, but he might not be able to make that next step this year and take over where Crawford left off. Crawford/Lavender has been really good in practice, but it might not translate to the game. Raymond showed some leadership and poise as a junior, but can he make the team his like Burrell did before him? If there weren't a lot of unknowns with recruits/transfers, the whole business of finding the right players would be a lot easier.

Close on the second part. They're looking to take that monster who takes up space and hopefully develop him into an effective ball player. And from the videos you can see that he has some really raw talent that if properly developed (along with of course the conditioning track he's already on), could turn him into a real beast of a center. And if they don't? Well, there are 12 other scholarship players, and he will probably transfer out anyway before his four years are up if he's not getting playing time.

Then why not air on the safe side and go for a juco or a transfer at a spot you know you're thin at? Lots of people do. I think he's remarkably raw, I just think it's D-2 raw.
We'll see I guess...
I just don't feel good about assuming Taylor or this guy are a Jordan Crawford, David West, Tu holloway [Insert accomplished player's name here____]
in waiting. I'm not really worried about Robinson. For a frosh, I think he had skills.
It would be one thing if we knew we could be confident in the others, but I mean this dude is very unpolished. Is that really a position we can take a chance at?
Maybe I'm just too conservative.

XUFan09

04-27-2011, 11:28 PM

Then why not air on the safe side and go for a juco or a transfer at a spot you know you're thin at? Lots of people do. I think he's remarkably raw, I just think it's D-2 raw.
We'll see I guess...
I just don't feel good about assuming Taylor or this guy are a Jordan Crawford, David West, Tu holloway [Insert accomplished player's name here____]
in waiting. I'm not really worried about Robinson. For a frosh, I think he had skills.
It would be one thing if we knew we could be confident in the others, but I mean this dude is very unpolished. Is that really a position we can take a chance at?
Maybe I'm just too conservative.

I don't really expect Taylor to be a star for the team, just a solid role player and maybe a C.J. Anderson (junior year C.J., please God).

As for Sim, yes, he is very unpolished, but working with successful conditioning coach Matt Jennings and then with bigs coach Pat Kelsey, he could really improve. That's the kind of guy that with a serious work ethic and a whole D1 program at his disposal he can become a big-time player. I think he has the work ethic (considering his seriousness about the weight loss), but maybe he won't pan out all the same. Neither did Brian Walsh. It happens, but Mack and a lot of other big-time coaches are taking the risk.

XUFan09

04-27-2011, 11:36 PM

muskienick

04-28-2011, 10:03 AM

People do not "air" on the side of anything (unless it's their backside during a fart).

I believe the word you guys wanted to use was "err."

XUFan09

04-28-2011, 10:44 AM

People do not "air" on the side of anything (unless it's their backside during a fart).

I believe the word you guys wanted to use was "err."

Whoops.

GreatWhiteNorth

04-28-2011, 11:45 AM

With our present scholarship situation, I think it is totally appropriate to offer one to SIM. The potential reward far outweighs the cost. Its not like we have only one scholarship and he is competing with another 4/5 star true center recruit. Remember, real big centers are rare in college basketball. The "WOW" effect and the fact that he takes up so much space on the court is worth it. If SIM turns out to a bust, there is no big loss. He probably won't stay for 4 years anyway if he is not getting PT.

PMI

04-28-2011, 11:47 AM

Then why not air on the safe side and go for a juco or a transfer at a spot you know you're thin at? Lots of people do. I think he's remarkably raw, I just think it's D-2 raw.
We'll see I guess...
I just don't feel good about assuming Taylor or this guy are a Jordan Crawford, David West, Tu holloway [Insert accomplished player's name here____]
in waiting. I'm not really worried about Robinson. For a frosh, I think he had skills.
It would be one thing if we knew we could be confident in the others, but I mean this dude is very unpolished. Is that really a position we can take a chance at?
Maybe I'm just too conservative.

Umm, yes, that is exactly the position you most often take risks at. In general, interior players tend to be longer term projects than guards or wings. They come in at about 18 years old and haven't quite gotten comfortable with their large bodies yet, especially if they are freaking 7'4". I think from a coaching standpoint, you are thinking way too conservatively. If Sim does happen to be a total bust, he'll almost certainly transfer and we'll move on. Of all the scholarship players on any given roster, there's never a situation where all of them pan out the way you'd hope. When you have a chance to take a guy with tremendous upside with that height, you take that chance.

HuskyMuskie

04-28-2011, 12:03 PM

A10fan

04-28-2011, 08:51 PM

RT@3starmeyer Per cia bounce coach mike george, sim bullar has committed to xavier

Above is a tweet from musketeerscoop!

Twitter Account (http://twitter.com/#!/musketeerscoop)

He we go I guess.

GreatWhiteNorth

04-28-2011, 08:58 PM

MusketeerScoop.com shows that Sim Bhullar has committed to Xavier today. Class of 2012.

HuskyMuskie

04-28-2011, 09:10 PM

How ironic it is, that we were having an argument about him over the past 24 hours.

Too bad, Big Least and Big 10. This gamble is now our gamble. And I love it.

JimmyTwoTimes37

04-28-2011, 11:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwC47cyZ56k&feature=player_embedded

XUFan09

04-29-2011, 12:13 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwC47cyZ56k&feature=player_embedded

Obviously blocking is pretty easy when you're that much taller than everyone else, but he does have quick reaction speed against the shot (sometimes blocking it just above the opponent's release). If you pay attention, you can see that his hands follow the movement of the ball fake very well, making it really difficult for opponents to get the shot off around him. Some players, for example, were going up right and swung the ball around completely to the left to avoid him, but there was never a point at which they could have released the shot without it getting blocked. That ability should serve him well against bigger opponents.

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 01:15 AM

Umm, yes, that is exactly the position you most often take risks at. In general, interior players tend to be longer term projects than guards or wings. They come in at about 18 years old and haven't quite gotten comfortable with their large bodies yet, especially if they are freaking 7'4". I think from a coaching standpoint, you are thinking way too conservatively. If Sim does happen to be a total bust, he'll almost certainly transfer and we'll move on. Of all the scholarship players on any given roster, there's never a situation where all of them pan out the way you'd hope. When you have a chance to take a guy with tremendous upside with that height, you take that chance.

I think a team without a functional big is screwed.
I understand he's having to adjust to being 7'4 but if someone half a foot shorter is running around his ass and making us look bad. To say he will be good or he'll transer!
Seriously? Sorry, but that doesn't make me feel confident
On the upside it looks like he'll have another year to get better, I was under the impression originally he would be playing on the 2011-2012. Maybe we can get someone else as well. Feel better knowing that.

With our present scholarship situation, I think it is totally appropriate to offer one to SIM. The potential reward far outweighs the cost. Its not like we have only one scholarship and he is competing with another 4/5 star true center recruit. Remember, real big centers are rare in college basketball. The "WOW" effect and the fact that he takes up so much space on the court is worth it. If SIM turns out to a bust, there is no big loss. He probably won't stay for 4 years anyway if he is not getting PT.

And now that I know he wont be playing for a year and we have another oppurtunity to get other potential bigs, I feel better about that. Real big centers a rare in the college game, because often times real big centers are not actually all that good, at the college game.

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 01:25 AM

Also, airing on the safe side on a consistent basis is a good way to never rise above your current level. It's like stocks. If you stick with the generally safe stocks, you'll probably see a moderate rise in your income or a moderate fall. If you grab all the risky stocks, they could boom or bust. The best financial plans generally have the safe stocks so they don't lose really big, but then they take on a few risky stocks to hopefully bump their investment up significantly. And to preempt the comments about investing in the stock market in the summer of 2008, that would be like making scholarship offers just before the NCAA cuts total scholarships from 13 to 9 lol.

Anyway, transfers and especially JUCO players (the advent of the one-year prep school has seriously weakened that field) are by no means safe. They either are coming from a strong program and didn't work out, which makes a person wonder if they're going to work out here. Or, they are coming from a mid-major to low-major program where they didn't see much serious competition, which makes a person wonder if they're going to properly adjust to the high-D1 level.

Well, realizing we have a safety in those open scholarships next year, I feel better.
But when you're thin in a spot, no. I don't think it's logical or reasonable to take a chance like that. You have the knowledge, if you're on the staff that this position will be lacking. To know you 0 depth at the 5 spot and to take on a project, is retarded.

If I had the oppurtunity to invest in one stock or have absolutely no money to invest, I wouldn't take a risky company because I feel it's better to have something rather than nothing.
However, this isn't that drastic.

People do not "air" on the side of anything (unless it's their backside during a fart).

I believe the word you guys wanted to use was "err."

:( I work as a bioengineer for Scotts, it shows. I used to want to do patent law, Ha! They say Andrew Jackson couldn't read when he first became a lawyer even though he had a fairly strong understanding of the English language.
Not so much the case with people in the legal profession today.

SixFig

04-29-2011, 02:25 AM

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 02:38 AM

Eternallife, you act as if Xavier is gonna recruit complete players right from the get-go. No doubt recruiting is better than it ever has been, but we aren't up to the Calipari, UNC, Kansas level just yet. Sim is gonna take time to mold into a machine. Even if he can only play 15 high quality minutes per game so what? We will have a ton of other quality players; guards, wings, swingmen, forwards who can complement each other. Most championship teams (UConn, Butler this season) are built around a team with a variety of skills and with no complete players.

You don't build a National Championship Buick out of one awesome piece or even a couple. It takes high quality parts working together to work well.

It wasn't that I thought they'd find a complete player, it's that I think they have a particular spot where they CANNOT afford an inept one and an inept one only.
As I've said though, it's not that drastic. Especially with open scholarships next year.

You're comparing this squad to Uconn and Butler? When Kenny and Tu are gone, tell me, who is our Kemba Walker ? Who is our Shelvin Mack? Who is our Matt Howard? Who is our whatever that Lamb kid on UConn's first name is?
Most of these guys are unproven. I'm holding my judgement on the bench, I just have a bad feeling about a 7'4 white Canadian center with suspect handle, stamina, coordination and speed.
Sorry, I just do.

Time will tell...

A10fan

04-29-2011, 08:04 AM

You're comparing this squad to Uconn and Butler? When Kenny and Tu are gone, tell me, who is our Kemba Walker ? Who is our Shelvin Mack? Who is our Matt Howard? Who is our whatever that Lamb kid on UConn's first name is?
Most of these guys are unproven. I'm holding my judgement on the bench, I just have a bad feeling about a 7'4 white Canadian center with suspect handle, stamina, coordination and speed.
Sorry, I just do.

Time will tell...

Time will tell but you seem to have already thrown half of X's players that you have NEVER seen play right under the bus before they step on the court. Who is our Kemba Walker? It's probably Tu this year. Matt Howard? How about Taylor or Reynolds. Lamb? What about Martin or Wells? Shelvin Mack's numbers aren't that impressive. Lyons could easily reach them. The players you mentioned were all "unproven" when they started their careers. Give the Xavier players some time to develop their roles and then blast away if you want but at least let them play first.

XUFan09

04-29-2011, 08:55 AM

EternalLife, two things:

1. Xavier does not NEED a 30mpg true center. You seem to have your mind set on the only way that a team can succeed being to have a true center at the 5 spot, but quite frankly most high-D1 coaches would flat-out disagree. That doesn't mean that they won't pursue them (by the way, our rival recruiters for ESPN top 100 Sim were Georgetown, Syracuse, West Virginia, UConn, and Cincinnati), because it's definitely nice to have. However, it is not a necessary condition for success at all. Xavier has been to the Elite Eight without one, and plenty of teams (and more and more these days) have been very successful without one, by putting two power forwards on the floor together. It has actually become a norm for a lot of good teams to run with two power forwards, since good centers are rare. Do you think UNC's John Henson is a true center? He might be 6'10, but he's also 210 pounds. That's a tall power forward for you, and it seem to be working out for them. And I don't know if you noticed, but Xavier has a decent number of power forwards right now, so no, we do not "have 0 depth at the 5 spot."

2. I was with you on musings about how the bench will work out over the next couple years, because it's an interesting subject. However, you talk about all the unknowns with recruits as if it's doubtful that they'll achieve them or as if the bench is a serious question (after only one year in recent X history of a weak bench). Guess what? Tu was a relative unknown coming in and was actually only rated a 3 star by some sites. B.J. Raymond was a big unknown. All recruits outside of like the top 20 have a number of unknowns, but on average they prove worthwhile and sometimes even good or great over four years. Would your approach be to never recruit high schoolers and just keep on bringing in transfers every year, since they're "proven," even though transfers themselves have unknowns like recruits. Not all play translates well from one D1 level to another or one system to another. The only way to not take risks with signing players is not get involved with college basketball period.

PMI

04-29-2011, 09:45 AM

I think a team without a functional big is screwed.
I understand he's having to adjust to being 7'4 but if someone half a foot shorter is running around his ass and making us look bad. To say he will be good or he'll transer!
Seriously? Sorry, but that doesn't make me feel confident
On the upside it looks like he'll have another year to get better, I was under the impression originally he would be playing on the 2011-2012. Maybe we can get someone else as well. Feel better knowing that.

And now that I know he wont be playing for a year and we have another oppurtunity to get other potential bigs, I feel better about that. Real big centers a rare in the college game, because often times real big centers are not actually all that good, at the college game.

Your posts in this thread show me that you really don't have a great understanding of how college basketball recruiting goes. That's fine. First of all, real big centers like Sim are rare in college basketball, because they're rare on this planet. You think there are a bunch of 7 and a half footers running around out there who basketball coaches simply aren't taking chances on? No.

And to say he'll be good or he'll transfer... Yes. It's how this whole thing works. It doesn't matter if you're 7'4 or 5'10, the players who aren't good enough to cut it usually transfer. They would fall under the category of risks who don't pan out. Every good team has them every year. And if it so happens that Sim doesn't pan out, and we don't have another 7 foot+ player on the roster, well then I guess we'll just have to go with different kinds of bigs, you know, like how we did every single year ever pre 08-09.

We all have questions about Sim. It comes with the territory for him. But most of us trust the staff enough to where if Sim is good enough for them to take a chance on, he's good enough for us. Unless you are a more proven coach and recruiter than Chris Mack, you might as well just give it a chance.

HuskyMuskie

04-29-2011, 10:04 AM

EternalLife,

If I were you, I would be mailing James Farr a box of wheaties every day for the next year or so. Then, we might have a true "talented" center coming in.

ThePowerOfX

04-29-2011, 11:36 AM

EternalLife,

If I were you, I would be mailing James Farr a box of wheaties every day for the next year or so. Then, we might have a true "talented" center coming in.

Talk about a violation...

Professor X

04-29-2011, 12:05 PM

I'm holding my judgement on the bench, I just have a bad feeling about a 7'4 white Canadian center with suspect handle, stamina, coordination and speed.
Sorry, I just do.

Time will tell...

Well, not that it matters, but he is of Indian descent. Parents emigrated from India. Does that make you feel better?

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 01:12 PM

Time will tell but you seem to have already thrown half of X's players that you have NEVER seen play right under the bus

No.
I said I am unsure of their abilities, I said knowing that they have been largely untested I would hope we have something a little more certain along the lines of a JuCo or transfer.
That is all I have said. I haven't said anybody would be bad, I haven't said anything even slightly negative about the bench, I said it was an unknown.
I get that people really like Sim but don't just put words in my mouth for the sake of argument. That's entirely unfair. Nobody has seen Mack develop guys yet and with these new up and comers we are going to see how he fares at that aspect of coaching. It's nice having experience at positions where you don't necessarily have a lot of depth. I'm not saying the new kids won't be good, I'm only saying we can't know that yet.

the bus before they step on the court. Who is our Kemba Walker? It's probably Tu this year.

The premise of my question was "When Tu is gone..." so that's a non-answer.
Regardless of Shelvin Mack's stat sheet, if you're comparing Lyons to him, just no... lol
Look at their games in the tourny. I'm not saying Lyons can't become him but I haven't seen evidence that he will.
Taylor may be good or terrible, no one knows. Robinson I think definitely has potential.
But honestly, what's wrong with acknowledging this will be a young team a year from now?
That's reality.

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 01:17 PM

Well, not that it matters, but he is of Indian descent. Parents emigrated from India. Does that make you feel better?

Oddly, y... ok no.
White canadian anything just sounds bad.
Illogical? Maybe, but after listening to Snows informer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtILxBszyf8 or anything from Tom Greens group, I'm certain you'll understand my bias.

smileyy

04-29-2011, 01:41 PM

White canadian anything just sounds bad.

That Steve Nash guy is a nice player, but he'll never make it in the NBA ;)

But seriously, has there ever been:

(1) an NBA of Indian descent (I don't think so -- basketball-reference.com doesn't have India as a search option for nationality; though I realize that Sim would be Canadian, not Indian)
(2) a player to play NCAA basketball over 7'2" who didn't end up playing in the NBA, barring injury (which is my biggest concern about Sim -- his legs and feet will only have so many miles on them).

I can't find any searchable stats by height on college basketball players to double-check against NBA players.

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 01:44 PM

Leslie Nielsen was from Canada?!
Now I just made myself feel bad.

Professor X

04-29-2011, 01:51 PM

Oddly, y... ok no.
White canadian anything just sounds bad.
Illogical? Maybe, but after listening to Snows informer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtILxBszyf8 or anything from Tom Greens group, I'm certain you'll understand my bias.

Um, I'm pretty sure that song is awesome. So I don't see your point there. ;)

Tom Green has a group? That you are familiar with enough to reference? And those are your two "go-tos" when you think of Canadians? That may be a bigger issue than the fact that Sim's parents decide to emigrate to Canada instead of the US.

Anyway, at the risk of sounding ignorant or insensitive, my point was that he probably isn't considered white/caucasian since he is Indian. Also, if his parents emigrated 20yrs ago, that means he was born shortly after and they may not have been naturalized citizens. So he may have dual citizenship. No clue how that works in Canada. Sorry this has been a random, rambling post.

Professor X

04-29-2011, 01:57 PM

(2) a player to play NCAA basketball over 7'2" who didn't end up playing in the NBA, barring injury (which is my biggest concern about Sim -- his legs and feet will only have so many miles on them).

I can't find any searchable stats by height on college basketball players to double-check against NBA players.

Not necessarily a reputable or comprehensive list, but wikipedia shows tallest basketball players from various countries and notes whether or not they played in the NBA. No info on NCAA though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_people#Tallest_in_varied_sports

A10fan

04-29-2011, 02:14 PM

The premise of my question was "When Tu is gone..." so that's a non-answer.
Regardless of Shelvin Mack's stat sheet, if you're comparing Lyons to him, just no... lol
Look at their games in the tourny. I'm not saying Lyons can't become him but I haven't seen evidence that he will.

I'm not sure why you don't think Lyons can't do what Mack did. Mack HAD to produce just like Tu did last year. You put Holloway on Butler and Mack's #'s are anywhere close to what they were.

I've seen plenty of evidence of Lyons abilities to know that he can produce. I think it's a pretty ignorant assumption to laugh off any comparison to Mack.

BTW, you must not have followed X's program for very long if you have major concerns about "unproven" players. X seems to regularly graduate or lose their top performers from the previous year and continually do what's necessary to win.

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 03:00 PM

Um, I'm pretty sure that song is awesome. So I don't see your point there. ;)

Tom Green has a group? That you are familiar with enough to reference? And those are your two "go-tos" when you think of Canadians? That may be a bigger issue than the fact that Sim's parents decide to emigrate to Canada instead of the US.

Anyway, at the risk of sounding ignorant or insensitive, my point was that he probably isn't considered white/caucasian since he is Indian. Also, if his parents emigrated 20yrs ago, that means he was born shortly after and they may not have been naturalized citizens. So he may have dual citizenship. No clue how that works in Canada. Sorry this has been a random, rambling post.

When you have informer stuck in your head a week later you'll understand!
Nah, I got your point, I was just trying to lighten the mood.

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 03:24 PM

I'm not sure why you don't think Lyons can't do what Mack did. Mack HAD to produce just like Tu did last year. You put Holloway on Butler and Mack's #'s are anywhere close to what they were.

They had more viable threats on offense and better perimeter shooting than we did this year. That comparison just doesn't work. You put Tu on Butler he takes far fewer shots.
As for why I don't think Lyons can do what Mack did, one of them is a big time play maker the other doesn't seem like he has that quality. Also Mack has a better shot.

I've seen plenty of evidence of Lyons abilities to know that he can produce.

I know he can produce, I just think that comparison sucks.

BTW, you must not have followed X's program for very long if you have major concerns about "unproven" players.

Different coach, different team, the past is irrelevant.

X seems to regularly graduate or lose their top performers from the previous year and continually do what's necessary to win.

Except with the departure of Jordan Crawford where we slipped quite a bit. That Marquette team we lost to wasn't very good. We should be higher up on the food chain than that.
Also the losses to Charlotte and UC were embarrassing.
I can think of a worse shoot out loss when they played Cronin's first team but that shouldn't be the standard to say we don't do bad unless we lose to a team that's an absolute atrocity in every aspect of the game.

I think everyone was dissapointed with the one and done post season, it's great that we win conference titles but we used to be a danger for a most teams to play.

xu15

04-29-2011, 03:36 PM

They had more viable threats on offense and better perimeter shooting than we did this year. That comparison just doesn't work. You put Tu on Butler he takes far fewer shots.
As for why I don't think Lyons can do what Mack did, one of them is a big time play maker the other doesn't seem like he has that quality. Also Mack has a better shot.

I know he can produce, I just think that comparison sucks.

Different coach, different team, the past is irrelevant.

Except with the departure of Jordan Crawford where we slipped quite a bit. That Marquette team we lost to wasn't very good. We should be higher up on the food chain than that.
Also the losses to Charlotte and UC were embarrassing.
I can think of a worse shoot out loss when they played Cronin's first team but that shouldn't be the standard to say we don't do bad unless we lose to a team that's an absolute atrocity in every aspect of the game.

I think everyone was dissapointed with the one and done post season, it's great that we win conference titles but we used to be a danger for a most teams to play.

We used to be a danger for most teams to play? Uhhhh ok, so we aren't now. You think Xavier is going downhill? You are out of your mind if you think one NCAA tourney game in a "down year" is something to get your panties up in a bunch about long term. Next year, assuming Tu comes back we will be a nightmare for everyone but a select handful of teams. I really don't know what your viewpoint is, but whatever it is I don't get it.
Are you just trying to stir things up or do you think your point is relevant?
We didn't go through the season without a bad loss, so what team does? Just because we had some bad losses and a first round tourney loss does not mean we are "lower on the food chain."

smileyy

04-29-2011, 03:38 PM

That Marquette team we lost to wasn't very good.

You can't look past the fact that they made the Sweet 16.

Back to the Sim topic, I think that Sim comes in at the perfect time for Xavier. He'll show many of the limitations that Kenny (mobility) did/does as a player, and Mack has done a good job of making up for that, enabling Kenny to stay down low more on D, and not being forced out into defending as many high ball screens.

MADXSTER

04-29-2011, 03:41 PM

1) Marquette was playing at a high level during the tourney. They deserved the win.

2) Everyone knew going into this year that this was going to be a down year. Still made the tourney and won the conference. Not bad.

"We used to be a danger"....you're a troll. Definitely not a Xavier fan.

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 03:55 PM

We used to be a danger for most teams to play? Uhhhh ok, so we aren't now.

If you don't think it was a down year, I don't know what you've been watching the past 4 years.
Tell me did we look like dangerous team in the NCAA ?
Against Gonzaga?
The Shootout?
Against Old Dominion?

We knocked off Butler early in the year, we won the A-10 regular season title and that's great and all, but still dissapointing year overall.
And don't even get me started on that loss to Miami :mad:

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 03:58 PM

1) Marquette was playing at a high level during the tourney. They deserved the win.

They had no defense, no legitimate big and an overall terrible half court game that got exploited.
I think they deserved to win also, doesn't change the fact they were an average club who got bounced by UNC.

I'm not a troll just because I'm not all over the lap of this kid or thinking we had better seasons before this previous one.
Sorry but that's just nuts.

A10fan

04-29-2011, 03:59 PM

As for why I don't think Lyons can do what Mack did, one of them is a big time play maker the other doesn't seem like he has that quality. Also Mack has a better shot.

we used to be a danger for a most teams to play.

Mack FG%- 40
Lyons FG%- 40

Mack FT% - 77%
Lyons FT% - 73%

Mack 3FG% - 35
Lyons 3FG% - 34

Mack PPS - 1.24
Lyons PPS - 1.23

Yea, Mack is WAY better shooter. LOL

BTW, X still IS a danger for most teams to play. Sweet16 or better 3 out of last 4 years seems pretty dangerous to me. This year X is in every TOP25 pre-season poll that I've seen and many have them as high as TOP10. Nope, not dangerous at all.

I'm with Madxster on this one. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck......

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 04:00 PM

You can't look past the fact that they made the Sweet 16.

Back to the Sim topic, I think that Sim comes in at the perfect time for Xavier. He'll show many of the limitations that Kenny (mobility) did/does as a player, and Mack has done a good job of making up for that, enabling Kenny to stay down low more on D, and not being forced out into defending as many high ball screens.

It is true that Kenny was a stiff, but he's come a long way in terms of his conditioning likely due to a tremendous work ethic. I think his shot is actually pretty good to in contrast to where it was.

BBC 08

04-29-2011, 04:05 PM

The main question is, why did anyone rep EternalLife in the first place?

EternalLife

04-29-2011, 04:16 PM

Mack FG%- 40
Lyons FG%- 40

Mack FT% - 77%
Lyons FT% - 73%

Mack 3FG% - 35
Lyons 3FG% - 34

Mack PPS - 1.24
Lyons PPS - 1.23

Yea, Mack is WAY better shooter. LOL

I think you may be spec-ed material 246 3's attempted by Mack and 140 by Lyons.
Hell Yancy gates was shooting 100% from behind the arc his last 10 games I guess he should be interchangable as well! Never mind he only had 3 of them, dumb....

How many bunnies did Lyons have? Seriously?
What is it with this board and not providing statistics that have context and proper understanding behind them? Yancy is also shooting better at the charity stripe too! He should play point!!!! ........

Seriously man...
Mack has a better shot than Lyons and anyone with eyes can see it.