Cowherd vs P. Doc

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone been following the back and forth?

Cowherd is at it again. He called the Reds frauds the other day on his radio show and Doc responded in his blog. I didnt know about any of this until I heard Cowherd today attacking "a local hack" (his words) from Cincinnati who attacked him for calling the Reds frauds. Here is what Doc said:

"ESPN radio Head Colin Cowherd decided the Reds were “frauds.” Among the dumbest comments made lately by a national radio guy, and that’s saying a bit. Let’s try this:

By August, frauds are gasping. Take LA, for instance. The best thing about Baseball is 162 games. The Reds have played 118. They’re in 1st place. Apparently, it’s all an accident.

This is what happens when East Coast elitist w/West Coast upbringing encounters a team in Flyover Country. He does no homework, makes vast assumptions based on the most recent news (in this case, St. Looie’s 3-game sweep) and makes an ass of himself. Cowherd is good, you think, until he starts talking about teams with whom you are intimately familiar. Then the emperor’s wardrobe is fully revealed.

Of course, if the Reds win the division/make the playoffs, Cowherd will avoid the subject entirely. Just another radio goofball. The only national radio guy who is consistently smart is Dan Patrick. Patrick is also the best interviewer in the business. Unlike Cowherd, he does not posit himself as an expert on everything, and generally takes himself less than seriously. Plus, being from Dayton, Patrick can actually find Cincinnati without a GPS.

Please, Bristol, stick with who you know: New York, Boston, Philly, Favre and the Dallas Cowboys. Let the frauds achieve in anonymity.

I feel better now."

Cowherd responded today by saying all you have to do is look up the Reds records vs the Phillies, Braves, Cardinals, and Dodgers (losing record to all) and the Giants and someone else? (.500 record). He said the Reds beat up on weak teams in their division, yada, yada, yada.


Its interesting that the Reds have performed so poorly against the better competition but overall it is irrelevant if they are in first place and win their division. That will get them to the playoffs where anything can happen. Not to mention you cant blame the Reds for playing in a poor division and beating up the teams they should beat up. If the Cards did that, they would be in first place.

I dont like defending the Reds, and while Cowherd has a point to an extent about the bad record against the top teams, it doesnt matter if the Reds continue to be in first and ultimately win the division. Who cares if they have a losing record against the Cards if they win the division? Right?

[D-West & PO-Z]

By the way I agree with Doc on Dan Patrick. By far the best sports guy on radio. Mike and Mike are up there too.

[Xman95]

Cowherd is an idiot. I've said that for years.

[Lamont Sanford]

PDoc is an assclown though. tHuggins apologist.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

This is great. Not being a fan of either makes it much more enjoyable

[GuyFawkes38]

I read a lot of sports media/ blogs. I get the sense that no one likes Cowherd (not his listeners, not ESPN management, not other ESPN personalities, not sports personalities, not players, not reporters).

But he must get solid ratings. And he's generally entertaining, but definitely should not be taken seriously.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I read a lot of sports media/ blogs. I get the sense that no one likes Cowherd (not his listeners, not ESPN management, not other ESPN personalities, not sports personalities, not players, not reporters).

But he must get solid ratings. And he's generally entertaining, but definitely should not be taken seriously.

He's a sports shock jock that's why he gets his ratings. He's not afraid to say anything controversial regardless of how stupid he sounds. He is doing a Skip Bayless impersonation. Much like many other radio personalities, I'm sure half of it is schtick to get people to listen.

[GuyFawkes38]

yeah, agree. I think there's a place for sports shock jock. It 's fun to watch them go at it.

[Backyard Champ]

Actually, I think him and Skip are both generally right about what they have to say. People don't like hearing it, but they are probably right more then 75 percent of the time. I know many people hate both of them, but I'm one of the few that actually likes both of them.

[GuyFawkes38]

Actually, I think him and Skip are both generally right about what they have to say. People don't like hearing it, but they are probably right more then 75 percent of the time. I know many people hate both of them, but I'm one of the few that actually likes both of them.

But the word "fraud" is way too strong. The word suggests illegality or cheating. The Reds have been remarkably consistent against sub .500 teams. There's nothing "fraud" about that. It something to admire about them. Better teams than the Reds often aren't capable of doing that.

I think it's fine to call the Reds "overrated", but not "fraud".

[BBC 08]

Cowherd is a schrutebag.

[Backyard Champ]

But the word "fraud" is way too strong. The word suggests illegality or cheating. The Reds have been remarkably consistent against sub .500 teams. There's nothing "fraud" about that. It something to admire about them. Better teams than the Reds often aren't capable of doing that.

I think it's fine to call the Reds "overrated", but not "fraud".

I would say it's more fair to call them a fraud then overrated because they aren't really overrated. The fact that there are standings in baseball means it's tough to be "overrated" but you can be a fraud. The reds are a fraud because they beat up on the weaker teams, and lose to the best teams, so even though they are in first place and appear to be great, they aren't really one of the best teams because they can't beat the best teams. I"m assuming that's what he means when he calls them a fraud.

I'm not saying I agree with everything they say, but they are pretty spot on about a lot of what they are talking about. While I may not like what they are saying about my favorite teams, when I look back on it the things they were saying usually were true.

[GoMuskies]

Actually, I think him and Skip are both generally right about what they have to say. People don't like hearing it, but they are probably right more then 75 percent of the time. I know many people hate both of them, but I'm one of the few that actually likes both of them.

I don't know about Cowherd, but Bayless is a moron. Or maybe just a contrarian. But he's pretty bad at his job IMO.

Here's my favorite Bayless article ever. Can't read the whole thing online anymore, but just the beginning gives you all you need (really the title is enough).

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-118705429.html

[muskiefan82]

I would say it's more fair to call them a fraud then overrated because they aren't really overrated. The fact that there are standings in baseball means it's tough to be "overrated" but you can be a fraud. The reds are a fraud because they beat up on the weaker teams, and lose to the best teams, so even though they are in first place and appear to be great, they aren't really one of the best teams because they can't beat the best teams. I"m assuming that's what he means when he calls them a fraud.

I'm not saying I agree with everything they say, but they are pretty spot on about a lot of what they are talking about. While I may not like what they are saying about my favorite teams, when I look back on it the things they were saying usually were true.

You mean, like a Big East team that plays crappy teams at home and starts their conference season in the Top 10 because of their 14-0 record?

I think Fraud is probably more fair than overrated.

[Backyard Champ]

You mean, like a Big East team that plays crappy teams at home and starts their conference season in the Top 10 because of their 14-0 record?



Exactly!

[GoMuskies]

Over the last ten days, the Reds and Cardinals have played 9 and 8 games, respectively, against very similar schedules (Cubs, Fish and each other). The Reds are 6-3. The Cards are 5-3.

Were the Cards really better than the Reds over the last ten days? Cowherd would say so.

[GuyFawkes38]

I would say it's more fair to call them a fraud then overrated because they aren't really overrated. The fact that there are standings in baseball means it's tough to be "overrated" but you can be a fraud. The reds are a fraud because they beat up on the weaker teams, and lose to the best teams, so even though they are in first place and appear to be great, they aren't really one of the best teams because they can't beat the best teams. I"m assuming that's what he means when he calls them a fraud.


How is it cheating or "fraud" to beat up on the struggling teams?

I guess you believe that "overrated" can be applied to teams who rank high on only subjective grounds (opinion). IMHO, the term overrated can be used for objective rankings too. It better fits the situation than "fraud", which suggests cheating or uneven scheduling (yes, the reds have weak interleage schedule, but it's a small factor).

Of course, Cowherd didn't think this hard about it. He used the more disparaging term to create outrage.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Of course, Cowherd didn't think this hard about it. He used the more disparaging term to create outrage.

Bingo...To then create ratings.

He knows what he's doing

[D-West & PO-Z]

I dont really think Cowherd is shock jock. I dont think he is afraid to have strong opinions though that others disagree with. The most annoying this about him (and Kaselius sp?) is that both of them feel as though that their opinions are fact. Even with a resoanable counter argument they cant be swayed in the least.

I am not a Cowherd fan but if I'm in the car and he is on, I'm listening to at least some of his show, while listening to Dan Patricks as well (on at the same time). Cowherd's show is entertaining.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The Reds are 17-26 against the Braves, Phillies, Dodgers, Cardinals, Giants, Rockies, and Padres.

Those are the 7 teams, other than the Reds, that have records above .500.

So its reasonable to see Cowherd's point to an extent. Its not like he is calling them frauds out of nowhere and just making a completely outrageous comment. Its just that he focuses on that one thing and that one thing alone and makes claims based off of it. That stat is scary to an extent but it also means the Reds take care of business against teams they should, while other top teams dont always do that. And regardless of the stat the Reds are still ahead of the Cards who play in their division and have a very similar schedule.

So for now, that stat isnt killing the Reds. However the Reds will probably have to start winning some more of those games with 2 of their next 3 series and 3 of their next 6 coming against the Dodgers, Giants, and Cards.

Although 6 of their last 7 series' do come against sub .500 teams. Ha. So maybe not?

[Michigan Muskie]

I would say it's more fair to call them a fraud then overrated because they aren't really overrated. The fact that there are standings in baseball means it's tough to be "overrated" but you can be a fraud. The reds are a fraud because they beat up on the weaker teams, and lose to the best teams, so even though they are in first place and appear to be great, they aren't really one of the best teams because they can't beat the best teams. I"m assuming that's what he means when he calls them a fraud.


Facts: The Reds are in first place in the NL Central. They have the third best record in the National League and are 16 games above .500.

If the Reds have a losing record against the best teams, that suggests they are pummeling the weaker teams. However, those best teams that are beating the Reds still have a worse record than the Reds. So that must mean they are *not* beating the weaker teams like they should.

So which teams are the frauds? It's a ridiculous argument. The standings speak for themselves.

[D-West & PO-Z]

How is it cheating or "fraud" to beat up on the struggling teams?

I guess you believe that "overrated" can be applied to teams who rank high on only subjective grounds (opinion). IMHO, the term overrated can be used for objective rankings too. It better fits the situation than "fraud", which suggests cheating or uneven scheduling (yes, the reds have weak interleage schedule, but it's a small factor).

Of course, Cowherd didn't think this hard about it. He used the more disparaging term to create outrage.

That they suprisingly only went 8-7 against. Losing a series to both the Royals and Mariners.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The Reds are 17-26 against the Braves, Phillies, Dodgers, Cardinals, Giants, Rockies, and Padres.

Those are the 7 teams, other than the Reds, that have records above .500.



The Cards, replacing themselves with the Reds, are 24-19 vs those 7 teams.

They are 4-5 against the Cubs though (their biggest rival). While the Reds are 10-3 against the Cubs.

[Backyard Champ]

How is it cheating or "fraud" to beat up on the struggling teams?

I guess you believe that "overrated" can be applied to teams who rank high on only subjective grounds (opinion). IMHO, the term overrated can be used for objective rankings too. It better fits the situation than "fraud", which suggests cheating or uneven scheduling (yes, the reds have weak interleage schedule, but it's a small factor).

Of course, Cowherd didn't think this hard about it. He used the more disparaging term to create outrage.

I think that the reds aren't what they appear to be, which is one of the best teams in baseball. I think that's all he was saying. They have the most wins in the league against the worst teams, which won't help come playoff time. If they get swept in their first playoff series, would people agree that they weren't what they appeared to be?

I like the reds and want them to do well, but I wouldn't be shocked if they got beat pretty good in the first series.They haven't been playing well vs the other top baseball teams this year, they beat up on the weaker teams to get where they are, thus I don't think they are one of the best teams in baseball this year.

[GuyFawkes38]

Facts: The Reds are in first place in the NL Central. They have the third best record in the National League and are 16 games above .500.

If the Reds have a losing record against the best teams, that suggests they are pummeling the weaker teams. However, those best teams that are beating the Reds still have a worse record than the Reds. So that must mean they are *not* beating the weaker teams like they should.

So which teams are the frauds? It's a ridiculous argument. The standings speak for themselves.

Yep. The word "fraud" just isn't used correctly in this situation.

Dwest does a better job defending Cowherd than he deserves. I caught part of his show today. He was making some type of argument that the Reds are partly "frauds" because Joey Votto didn't make the All Star game in the first vote. The argument didn't make much sense.

[Backyard Champ]

I dont really think Cowherd is shock jock. I dont think he is afraid to have strong opinions though that others disagree with. The most annoying this about him (and Kaselius sp?) is that both of them feel as though that their opinions are fact. Even with a resoanable counter argument they cant be swayed in the least.

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I would agree with this. That is the only thing I don't like about him, is he can't have a good debate because he believes his opinions are fact. With most of what he says there could be a good counter argument, but he won't have any of it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yep. The word "fraud" just isn't used correctly in this situation.

Dwest does a better job defending Cowherd than he deserves. I caught part of his show today. He was making some type of argument that the Reds are partly "frauds" because Joey Votto didn't make the All Star game in the first vote. The argument didn't make much sense.

Thats not exactly what he was saying. That part he brought up probably more for a reaction from Doc, when he sees it later and Reds fans.

What he said was that Votto, the Reds best player, didnt even get voted in by the players, who opted for Gonzalez drom the Padres. It didnt need to be brought up, he was just taking another shot at the Reds.

[X-band '01]

I don't know about Cowherd, but Bayless is a moron. Or maybe just a contrarian. But he's pretty bad at his job IMO.

Here's my favorite Bayless article ever. Can't read the whole thing online anymore, but just the beginning gives you all you need (really the title is enough).

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-118705429.html

Dear Skip,

You were right - Stanford clearly was #1 that season.

Signed,
the Alabama Crimson Tide

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

The Cards, replacing themselves with the Reds, are 24-19 vs those 7 teams.

They are 4-5 against the Cubs though (their biggest rival). While the Reds are 10-3 against the Cubs.

You bring up a good point. Sure the reds have struggled vs the phillies, cardinals, braves, etc...All solid solid teams.

But the cardinals have struggled against the Cubs, Astros, Diamondbacks, etc...Does it make them any better if they can beat the solid teams, and lose against the non competitive teams? Using Cowherd's theory, the cardinals should be 5-10 games in front of the reds.

The reds have lost exactly 1 series since the Philly debacle(STL) and won 7(Colorado, Houston, Mil, ATL, Pitt, Cubs, Marlins). They split the Nats series. That's a heck of a stretch I don't care who its against and they've won in spite of some serious slumps from our outfielders (Bruce, Gomes, Stubbs)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Mo Egger is a pretty good radio guy. Definitely the best in Cincinnati. He brought up some really good points when discussing Cowherd.

[crazydave]

Between Philly, LAD, STL, SF, Colorado, SD, Atlanta and the Reds, only 3 teems have winning records against every team with a losing record.

San Fran, San Diego, and The Reds.

In reality, the only teams the Reds have really struggled against top competition has been the Phillies series where we got swept (2-5 on the year) and the Cards (5-10 on the year).

I'm not concerned yet. Beat the teams you should (the majority of the NL) and eek out the wins against the top teams where you can. Its how every team operates.

[GoMuskies]

Good to see the Frauds two games up on the Cards again after a big come from behind win in AZ.

[gladdenguy]

If you play 162 games and you get to the playoffs you are far from a fraud.
The Reds have some of the best pitching in baseball. They have an outfield who has not hit for 2 months and they still are 17 games above .500.
IF the outfield bats do come around look out.
St. Louis loses to the Brewers. I love it. 2 games up. 1-0 on the "dreaded" trip.

[Jumpy]

The Reds are 17-26 against the Braves, Phillies, Dodgers, Cardinals, Giants, Rockies, and Padres.

Those are the 7 teams, other than the Reds, that have records above .500.

Here is the breakdown of the Reds' record against each of the teams you mentioned:

Braves: 2-3
Cards: 5-10
Dodgers: 3-3
Giants: 2-2
Rockies: 2-1
Padres: 1-2
Phillies: 2-5

There are only two teams on that list who the Reds aren't within one game one way or the other with. I don't think they are nearly the fraud that people like to make them out to be. No team scares me when the Reds match up against them, but I will be honest: the Cards make me nervous. They are like the older brother that just knows how to beat up the younger without much effort, regardless of how weak they (the older brother) are.

Lucky for us, just about every team in the NL is treating the Cards that way lately. Within a week of that disasterous series, we are back to having a two game lead.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Mo Egger is a pretty good radio guy. Definitely the best in Cincinnati. He brought up some really good points when discussing Cowherd.

For sure. His post was very informative. Especially the counter against Cowherd's anger towards GABP.

By the way, Daugherty's new rebuttal is up

"The Frauds won again"
Meatball here, reporting for duty.

The Frauds won again last night, 4th in a row, now lead St. Louis by two. The Cardinals have lost three of four, at home, to the Cubs and Milwaukee. Somehow, the Frauds remain in 1st place, 119 games into the 162-game tournament. It’s a miracle.

Never heard back from Cowherd yesterday. Didnt expect to. Fraudulence isnt limited to The Club, apparently.

Let’s try something different on our boy: Facts.

He said yesterday that J. Votto was a product of GASP. Votto’s BA, OBP, Slugging and, naturally, OPS, are all higher on the road. He has 15 HRs in 206 ABs at home; 13 in 198 on the road.

Apparently, Cowherd said “players” don’t think Votto is very good. Right. Players? Who? Do they play major league baseball? Votto leads the league in OPS, Slugging and OBP. He’s tied for the lead in runs. He’s tied for 2nd in batting average and home runs. He’s third in RBI.

Cowherd said he’d never heard of Votto until the All Star vote flap.

Fraudulence, yes.

By the way, all these numbers are easily obtainable. You could get them at your own company’s website. Maybe have a producer read them to you.

Cowherd suggests the Reds benefit from an easy schedule and a bad division. No argument there. TML has been writing that for a couple months. It’s kinda obvious. So is this: The Cardinals, who arent frauds in Cowherd’s world, play very close to the same schedule. Same division foes. Slightly more difficult interleague schedule. The Cards are 10-5 against the Reds; they’re 5-7 against Houston. So what does that prove? Anything?

And all that wonderful, experienced hired help won’t help in October, if St. Louis doesnt get there.

Cowherd deals in big names, big cities, big teams. He sees himself as a big-time guy. Here in Fraudville, we deal in who’s winning and who’s in first place.

The problem isnt that Cowherd is dissing the Reds. Really, so what? Put Cowherd in a lineup with a gorilla and three donkeys, you’d need 3 guesses to pick him out. The issue is the arrogance that screams that if you’re not NY/Bsn/LA, you’re nobody. You are condescended to, by a guy who sits in a glass booth, throwing stones. And of course by the network that pays him.

That might not bug you. It shouldnt bug me. Only it does.

Look, I am not emotionally or financially invested in how the Reds do. Is it good when they win? Of course. Easier access, better stories, more people paying attention. Beyond that, I couldnt care less. I root for the Reds as much as they root for me. I havent seen any players in my driveway lately, waving pompons.

And I’ve worked in big markets: Dallas. New York. I turned down the LA Times twice. I write a weekly column for SI.com. I like being a “local hack” as Cowherd put it. If my ego and insecurity required a big market presence, I’d never have left NY. Or I’d be in LA now. Some people don’t tie their identities to what they do. I don’t have to live here; I choose to. It’s a great place to live, far better than metro NY or suburban Dallas, far less complicated than Los Angeles.

I say this not to justify my existence, but to point out what a shallow, uninformed guy Colin Cowherd really is.

Tweeters, make sure our boy reads this. Local hack meatball checking out.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/daugherty/2010/08/18/the-morning-line-818/

[danaandvictory]

The reason the Reds struggle against elite NL teams is pretty simple. The Reds have six or seven above average starting pitchers and, with the sporadic exception of Johnny Cueto, not a single top of the rotation ace. By contrast, a team like the Cardinals only has three dependable starters, but all of them are near the top of the league in ERA. So in a short series, especially where LaRussa or another manager stacks the rotation, we're going to be at a disadvantage.

The Reds this year have a nice pitching staff -- but it seems to be a staff built for regular season success. We'll be underdogs in any short series. But you know what? After 15 years without a playoff appearance, I'll take it.

Hopefully down the road guys like Cueto and (dare I say it) Chapman will step up into that Halladay/Wainwright/etc. mold and give us a hammer at the top of the rotation.

[Jumpy]

The reason the Reds struggle against elite NL teams is pretty simple. The Reds have six or seven above average starting pitchers and, with the sporadic exception of Johnny Cueto, not a single top of the rotation ace. By contrast, a team like the Cardinals only has three dependable starters, but all of them are near the top of the league in ERA. So in a short series, especially where LaRussa or another manager stacks the rotation, we're going to be at a disadvantage.

The Reds this year have a nice pitching staff -- but it seems to be a staff built for regular season success. We'll be underdogs in any short series. But you know what? After 15 years without a playoff appearance, I'll take it.

Hopefully down the road guys like Cueto and (dare I say it) Chapman will step up into that Halladay/Wainwright/etc. mold and give us a hammer at the top of the rotation.

I agree that no one has really stepped up to be a shutdown ace on a consistent basis this year, but I would counter that they don't need a shutdown Ace. The offense, defense and bullpen are all good enough to thrive on 5 guys that will give you six innings and hold a team to 3 runs or less every game.

they will be underdogs in every postseason series they play this year, but I don't worry about it. they've proven they can touch up the best pitchers that the NL has to offer. They are a team full of gamers, and I'm confident that they will get the job done when they need to.

[chico]

Cowherd's job isn't to be the most knowledgeable guy on sports (he obviously isn't), just to bet people to tune in. He has a nice hot button topic now with the Reds that's getting him a definite bump here. That's all he really cares about. PD knows that as well, but his job is also to get people to read his column so we have this little dustup between the two. Plus, Cowhered, as the host he'll always get the last word in, so it's not worth getting worked up about. As long as Cowherd pulls in the ratings he's going to keep his job. He kind of reminds me of a bad college coach who the alums really hate but can't get fired because wins just enough to keep his job. Just know that as soon as Cowherd's rating take a dip he's getting shown the door.

I listen to him when Patrick is in a commercial. He has to be the most egotistical guy on radio, and probably a real joy to work with. Guys who take him seriously are simply lemmings who can't think for themselves.

[blobfan]

Cowheard might be doing the team a favor by providing motivation to prove him wrong. After the debacle with the Cards, they could have gone into a slump. Instead they are right back to winning.

[X-band '01]

If you play 162 games and you get to the playoffs you are far from a fraud.
The Reds have some of the best pitching in baseball. They have an outfield who has not hit for 2 months and they still are 17 games above .500.
IF the outfield bats do come around look out.
St. Louis loses to the Brewers. I love it. 2 games up. 1-0 on the "dreaded" trip.

Rinse. Repeat. The Cards are now 6-6 on the year against a weak NL Central foe. The Frauds are 4-1 and have 9 games upcoming against the Brewers in September/October.

[GoMuskies]

8 runs in the 8th and 9th, and it looks like the Frauds are about to take a 3 game lead over the non-Frauds.

What is Cowherd's def'n of a fraud again?

[gladdenguy]

Here is the breakdown of the Reds' record against each of the teams you mentioned:

Braves: 2-3
Cards: 5-10
Dodgers: 3-3
Giants: 2-2
Rockies: 2-1
Padres: 1-2
Phillies: 2-5

There are only two teams on that list who the Reds aren't within one game one way or the other with. I don't think they are nearly the fraud that people like to make them out to be. No team scares me when the Reds match up against them, but I will be honest: the Cards make me nervous. They are like the older brother that just knows how to beat up the younger without much effort, regardless of how weak they (the older brother) are.

Lucky for us, just about every team in the NL is treating the Cards that way lately. Within a week of that disasterous series, we are back to having a two game lead.

Exactly Jumpy. The Reds are one game under against the Padres and Braves with a very small sample size.
Another great victory tonight with a suicide squeeze that started it in the 9th.
This team is fun to watch. 3 GAME LEAD!!!!!!!

[AdamtheFlyer]

All 5 Phillies wins over the Reds were either in extra innings or a 1 run game...or both. First rule of baseball: that's the luck of a small sample size. In no way did Philly run over the Reds like they were a much better team. The Braves 3 wins were two walkoffs and an extra inning win. All three one run games, IIRC. Again, small sample...in a 5 or 7 game series you're still looking at a 50/50 proposition.

The only team the Reds don't match up well with head to head is St Louis. But as long as the Cardinals keep sputtering against the bad teams, the head to head between them won't matter.

Give the Padres credit, they really wiped the floor with the Reds early in the year for two straight games. After the Saturday game Dusty had the famous "closed door meeting". Since that meeting the Reds are like 21 games above .500.

[Jumpy]

Man, west coast games suck. I didn't see any of it. I fell asleep thinking they blew a chance to open a nice lead.

Back to the topic at hand, here is what Kirk Gibson said after the game: "It was a great squeeze. They executed that perfectly. You could see really in the first two games that we played these guys why they're in first place."

that's funny. An actual baseball guy- someone who has plaiyed the game- can see why the Reds are in first place, but that jock-sniffing weasel Coward can not.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

All 5 Phillies wins over the Reds were either in extra innings or a 1 run game...or both. First rule of baseball: that's the luck of a small sample size. In no way did Philly run over the Reds like they were a much better team. The Braves 3 wins were two walkoffs and an extra inning win. All three one run games, IIRC. Again, small sample...in a 5 or 7 game series you're still looking at a 50/50 proposition.

The only team the Reds don't match up well with head to head is St Louis. But as long as the Cardinals keep sputtering against the bad teams, the head to head between them won't matter.

Give the Padres credit, they really wiped the floor with the Reds early in the year for two straight games. After the Saturday game Dusty had the famous "closed door meeting". Since that meeting the Reds are like 21 games above .500.

Solid points Adam. The Philly games were absolute wars - many people forget that.

St Louis played about as good as a team can play against us last series. Very few mistakes and they took it to the Reds. We were outmanaged, outplayed, outpitched, and outsmarted. I also think we were very very nervous going into that series. Kudos to the Cards though - they deserved all 3 wins.

Tough series ahead for both teams(after Cincy plays AZ). Cards play the Giants while Reds go to Dodger stadium where they haven't won in 3 years (I know the Dodgers are down this year but given our track record, nothing is a gimme out there).

One game at a time.

[GuyFawkes38]

I heard that Cowherd noted how little money a newspaper guy like Paul Dougherty makes.

Probably about 90% of Colin Cowherds arguments touch on the subject of how much money he makes and how much money his friends make (I don't really buy it, ESPN is notoriously cheap).

I sort of enjoyed him the first few years he was on ESPN. But now he's becoming a parody of himself.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I heard that Cowherd noted how little money a newspaper guy like Paul Dougherty makes.

Probably about 90% of Colin Cowherds arguments touch on the subject of how much money he makes and how much money his friends make (I don't really buy it, ESPN is notoriously cheap).

I sort of enjoyed him the first few years he was on ESPN. But now he's becoming a parody of himself.

He say that today?

[GuyFawkes38]

No, a couple days ago.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I didnt hear the money part.

Has Cowherd commented on this further since the day I posted this? Did he mention anything about it yesterday?

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I didnt hear the money part.

Has Cowherd commented on this further since the day I posted this? Did he mention anything about it yesterday?

At some point, he's gotta respond to Daugherty. We all know his ego can't let Daugherty get the last word in and vice-versa. Maybe he's saying something today

Honestly, it may be impossible to determine who has the biggest ego between the two

[D-West & PO-Z]

At some point, he's gotta respond to Daugherty. We all know his ego can't let Daugherty get the last word in and vice-versa. Maybe he's saying something today

Honestly, it may be impossible to determine who has the biggest ego between the two

They show his radion show on ESPN2 or ESPNU or something like that. I recorded yesterdays but havent watched any yet. I'll check too see sometime in the next day or two if he said anything. Didnt record today's show though.

[DoubleD86]

And through all this, Cowherd now has the entire Reds fan base checking in on his shows waiting for his response.....

Guy must be a total idiot...

[D-West & PO-Z]

I never said he was an idiot. I have always been a listener of his show when I'm in the car and its on, along with Dan Patrick. There are things I dont like about him but his show is entertaining.

[X-band '01]

And through all this, Cowherd now has the entire Reds fan base checking in on his shows waiting for his response.....

Guy must be a total idiot...

Then he's doing his job well - namely trying to move the needle. But going up against WLW, Dan Patrick and Jim Rome - that's the main competition that Cowherd has on the Cincy airwaves.

[MuskieCinci]

According to WLW there is apparently a billboard up now that says,

Fraudulent Reds?

Cowherd,

Child Please!

[X-band '01]

The losing streak is over at Dodger Stadium. St. Louis is now 4.5 games behind the Frauds.

[gladdenguy]

20 games over.....Cardinals can suck it. Magic Number now 38.
Great outing for Mr. Homer.
Bullpen excellent again.
This team is exciting.

[JAX 3758]

By the way I agree with Doc on Dan Patrick. By far the best sports guy on radio. Mike and Mike are up there too.

NO ONE compares to DP

[SixFig]

The Fox Sports Crew (Dan Patrick, Jim Rome, Tony Bruno, Petros and Money etc) blow away ESPN any day of the week.

They actually have fun with sports radio and aren't told by E(xtreme) S(elf) P(romoting) N(etwork) what to talk about just because it is on the aforementioned network.

[GuyFawkes38]

I love the Petros and Money and show. The voice of Petros is a bit annoying. But overall the show provides the best combo in radio of being both entertaining and insightful.

Yeah, on the whole, ESPN radio sucks. I think Dan Patrick's departure really hurt them.

[X-band '01]

The Fox Sports Crew (Dan Patrick, Jim Rome, Tony Bruno, Petros and Money etc) blow away ESPN any day of the week.

They actually have fun with sports radio and aren't told by E(xtreme) S(elf) P(romoting) N(etwork) what to talk about just because it is on the aforementioned network.

Patrick and Rome are actually part of Premiere Radio Networks - they're independent from Fox Radio but happen to be on a number of Fox stations because they compete with ESPN for the most part in programming. Rome also has a daily show that airs on ESPN, but his best material by far is on his radio show.

I've actually taken a liking to the Petros and Money (aka PMS) show when they're on the air.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Patrick and Rome are actually part of Premiere Radio Networks - they're independent from Fox Radio but happen to be on a number of Fox stations because they compete with ESPN for the most part in programming. Rome also has a daily show that airs on ESPN, but his best material by far is on his radio show.

I've actually taken a liking to the Petros and Money (aka PMS) show when they're on the air.

Premiere Radio Networks actually owns Fox Sports Radio.

[GoMuskies]

Cowherd will be crowing tomorrow (if he still remembers calling the Reds frauds).

[Juice]

Cowherd is lying again. This time about the Cliff Lee.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/08/23/2420350/mailing-it-in-lee-will-deliver.html

[X-band '01]

How about today's Reds-Giants game - it's 11-11 in the 9th. Janish drove in Stubbs from 2nd with a single to right after the Reds blew a 10-1 lead.

[X-band '01]

And a final in 12 - Reds win 12-11. At least they held on - as it turns out the Braves also blew a 10-1 lead at Colorado but lost that one.

And thus the West Coast roadie ends at 6-3.

[GuyFawkes38]

Cadinals lost again (3 game losing streak). It's odd. On paper they have a much better team than they are performing.

[GoMuskies]

Reds lose three games out of six in LA and SF. Cards lose three straight in Pitt and D.C. Go figure.

Up four (three in the loss column) with 35 to play.

[GuyFawkes38]

5 up.

I love the timing of Cowherds "fraud" rant. Cowherd made the claim after the Cardinals swept the Reds and were 2 games ahead. Since then, there has been a 7 game swing.

This from a host who claims he's a big picture guy and doesn't overreact like most fans.

I enjoyed listening to Cowherd for the first few years he was on the air. But the more I listen to him, the more I'm beginning to think that he isn't very smart/consistent. His real life analogies are getting more and more strained.

[xsteve1]

I just don't think the Cards are very good. When you have to pitch Lohse every 5 days that spells trouble. Champman will be coming to Cincy this week. It should be fun to watch.

[X-band '01]

Lohse's next start is likely the series opener vs. the Reds. As if StL didn't have enough pressure on them going into that one...

[gladdenguy]

Magic Number is now 29. Time to run away with this division.
I can smell the postseason.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Lohse's next start is likely the series opener vs. the Reds. As if StL didn't have enough pressure on them going into that one...

They just switched it around.

It will be Garcia, Wainwright and Carpenter vs the reds

[PM Thor]

....aaaaand Cowherd is shown to be a complete idiot, yet again.

And I despise Doc too, but when you completely stick your foot in your mouth, you should gag on it, like Cowhead should have to in this instance.

I HATE dayton.