Brian Walsh to Akron [Archive] - Xavier Message Board

D-West & PO-Z

08-09-2010, 02:19 PM

Xman95

08-09-2010, 02:50 PM

That's a great move for him and Akron. He'll be able to play with Zeke Marshall, a big man who should develop into a really nice player. I think X was in on Zeke for a short time.

I have a friend who is an Akron fan/alum (in fact, he went to the Duquesne/Snuggie game with me) so this should be good news for him. Walsh will be a nice addition there.

SixFig

08-09-2010, 03:26 PM

Walsh did everything right while at X. I give him major props for sticking with Xavier during the coaching transition even though it was clearly the Miller-Pittsburgh pipeline that got him here.

Good luck Brian!

sweet16

08-09-2010, 03:54 PM

It's too bad he got hurt his first year and as a result got behind the 8 ball at a position we have depth. He clearly has talent. He was being recruited by some pretty major schools other than XU out of high school. Best of luck to him.

Walsh was simply not talented enough to play here. No one needs to apologize as these things unfortunately happen all the time. The fact that he was being recruited by some "pretty major schools" really has no bearing on the final analysis and decision.

GoMuskies

08-09-2010, 04:09 PM

Good luck at Jamal Ball U.

D-West & PO-Z

08-09-2010, 09:05 PM

Walsh was simply not talented enough to play here. No one needs to apologize as these things unfortunately happen all the time. The fact that he was being recruited by some "pretty major schools" really has no bearing on the final analysis and decision.

I didnt say anyone had to apologize but I dont agree that he wasnt talented enough to play here. He wasnt going to get the playing time he probably wanted as quick as he wanted as a result of him getting behind with being injured and the depth we had a SG.

Johnny Wolf transferred to another lesser school basketball wise but again it was because of playing time not talent.

We have had other players who could have taken that route but ended up waiting for their turn and they turned out to be better than any of us would have expected.

sweet16

08-10-2010, 07:43 AM

Johnny Wolf transferred to another lesser school basketball wise but again it was because of playing time not talent.

Wow, that's a really perverse spin! Who determines if a player has the talent or doesn't and who determines how much playing time a player receives? I'm sure Wolf and Walsh are both fine young men but at the end of the day the coaching staff (in both cases) determined that they simply didn't have the talent to support additional minutes.

D-West & PO-Z

08-10-2010, 08:56 AM

Wow, that's a really perverse spin! Who determines if a player has the talent or doesn't and who determines how much playing time a player receives? I'm sure Wolf and Walsh are both fine young men but at the end of the day the coaching staff (in both cases) determined that they simply didn't have the talent to support additional minutes.

Thats funny considering Wolf started for us and would have started his senior year.

The question isnt whether they had more talent than the guy directly in front of them. Both had talent to contribute at X just not the amount they wanted to right away. Not sure if you remember Wolf leading us to 4 victories in 4 days in the A10 tournament. He wanted to start the next two years but that wasnt going to happen with Lavender becoming eligible. But he had the talent to play at XU and would have been the starter his senior yr.

Having enough talent to "support additional minutes" and to play and contribute at XU are two different things. Neither was more talented than the guy in front of him to earn more minutes but both were talented enough to play at XU and if both had waited it out more minutes would have come. Cant blame the kids either way though.

xu95

08-10-2010, 09:01 AM

xu95

08-10-2010, 09:02 AM

D West - I liked Johnny Wolf, but Stanley Burrell led us to 4 victories in 4 days.

xu95

sweet16

08-10-2010, 09:06 AM

The question isnt whether they had more talent than the guy directly in front of them.

No, to the contrary, that's precisely the question. As much as you may like to ignore it, talent is a relative measure. You don't compare Walsh's talent to XU players circa 1970 nor do you suggest that he is talented enough to play at Duke or NKU. Quite simply, you ask the question is he talented enough to earn playing time competing against the other 14guys on the roster. The answer to that question was no.......Mack told him so and he decided to leave.

sweet16

08-10-2010, 09:09 AM

Obviously you do since you have already said he didn't have the talent.

xu95

No, the correct answer is "the coaching staff" but thanks for playing.

D-West & PO-Z

08-10-2010, 09:53 AM

D West - I liked Johnny Wolf, but Stanley Burrell led us to 4 victories in 4 days.

xu95

Ya, I just meant to the effect that he was our PG who we needed solid play out of to survive and advance. He played well. He did it with a broken hand too.

D-West & PO-Z

08-10-2010, 09:57 AM

No, to the contrary, that's precisely the question. As much as you may like to ignore it, talent is a relative measure. You don't compare Walsh's talent to XU players circa 1970 nor do you suggest that he is talented enough to play at Duke or NKU. Quite simply, you ask the question is he talented enough to earn playing time competing against the other 14guys on the roster. The answer to that question was no.......Mack told him so and he decided to leave.

We have no idea what Mack told him. If I had to guess I would say Mack said he had a chance to earn (fill in the blank) amount of minutes next year (as a sophomore mind you). Walsh may have wanted more than that so he decided he would look elsewhere. But Walsh would have earned minutes next year and he had the talent to contribute to Xavier basketball, some next year and more in the future.

Muskie

08-10-2010, 10:03 AM

Didn't we hash this out a month or so ago when Walsh announced he was transferring?

sweet16

08-10-2010, 10:26 AM

We have no idea what Mack told him.

Come on now.......do you honestly believe that you had to be sitting in the room with those guys to have a sense of how the conversation went? I think you're being a bit naive if you look at Walsh's statement below and draw any conclusion other than Mack telling him that he probably wouldn't play much here.

"Once Coach Miller left, I was really contemplating whether to stick it out another year - and I did that," Walsh said. "I thought this upcoming year, I might have a chance to have a bigger impact and play a lot. But [Mack] brought in his new guys and he just saw things differently than I saw things for this upcoming year.

D-West & PO-Z

08-10-2010, 10:58 AM

Come on now.......do you honestly believe that you had to be sitting in the room with those guys to have a sense of how the conversation went? I think you're being a bit naive if you look at Walsh's statement below and draw any conclusion other than Mack telling him that he probably wouldn't play much here.

"Once Coach Miller left, I was really contemplating whether to stick it out another year - and I did that," Walsh said. "I thought this upcoming year, I might have a chance to have a bigger impact and play a lot. But [Mack] brought in his new guys and he just saw things differently than I saw things for this upcoming year.

Ha, that may mean anything. "Walsh, you are only going to be able to earn 10mins a game."

"Well coach I really think I can be good enough to play 15-20."

"Not going to happen."

And they decide to go their separate ways.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

GoMuskies

08-10-2010, 11:09 AM

But [Mack] brought in his new guys

Damn that Chris Mack for recruiting! Damn him!

xu95

08-10-2010, 12:13 PM

Walsh was simply not talented enough to play here.

No, the correct answer is "the coaching staff" but thanks for playing.

So are you Coach Mack, Kels, Travis Steele, Brian Thornton, or the new guy?

xu95

sweet16

08-10-2010, 12:39 PM

So are you Coach Mack, Kels, Travis Steele, Brian Thornton, or the new guy?

xu95

You lost me there junior. Did you read Walsh's statement? Tell me what you don't understand about it and I'll try to explain.

bobbiemcgee

08-10-2010, 04:07 PM

We traded Walsh who would never see a lot of minutes for a big who can hopefully help us right away up front next year. Good move by Mack.

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DoubleD86

08-10-2010, 06:50 PM

...but at the end of the day the coaching staff (in both cases) determined that they simply didn't have the talent to support additional minutes.

Not saying Walsh did or did not have enough talent, but there is absolutely more than just talent that could keep a kid from getting/earning playing time. For instance, one could have tons of talent but play out of control. Also, one could have a ton of talent but not be strong enough. Or one could not have enough basketball IQ, or turn the ball over too much, or not try hard enough in practice, or get overwhelmed/too nervous in game situations, or....well I think my point has been made. It is not all black and white enough talent or too little talent.

But again, this is not a comment on Walsh, just a general observation.

madness31

08-11-2010, 01:33 AM

I agree with the previous post. There are any number of reasons other than level of talent that could limit a person's playing time. Coaching style has a lot to do with minutes received as does the needs of the team.

With Love and McLean not taking any outside shots the coaches may have felt Redford's shooting was more important than Walsh's versatility. Lyons speed and the need to develop a back-up point may have made him a higher priority too. Maybe Walsh didn't have the talent or maybe he just didn't fit Mack's style, the team's needs, etc.

Personally I was looking forward to him potentially earning minutes this year but that isn't going to happen and it is likely better for him and Akron for him to move on. Taylor transfering in might also make it beneficial for X but could be detrimental this year if Redford, Lyons or a freshman can't step-up their game and be the SG this team needs.

xu95

08-11-2010, 09:04 AM

You lost me there junior. Did you read Walsh's statement? Tell me what you don't understand about it and I'll try to explain.

No I didn't read Walsh's statement but I read yours (and I posted them above). In the first one you claim he doesn't have the talent for this team (your words, not anyone else's) you then go on to say only the coaching staff can judge talent. Therefore any reasonable person can assume either a) you are a douche, or b) you are a member of the coaching staff.

Or I guess it could be all of the above.

Did LH change his name?

xu95

sweet16

08-11-2010, 01:08 PM

No I didn't read Walsh's statement but I read yours (and I posted them above). In the first one you claim he doesn't have the talent for this team (your words, not anyone else's) you then go on to say only the coaching staff can judge talent. Therefore any reasonable person can assume either a) you are a douche, or b) you are a member of the coaching staff.

Or I guess it could be all of the above.

Did LH change his name?

xu95

Well that explains alot. If you had read Walsh's statement you may have been able to more intelligently participate in the conversation. But then again, even if you had read it I'm not sure you would have understood it because you are what we refer to as a "skirt".
It seems you are more comfortable discussing uniform colors and cheerleading routines, arguing semantics or dancing around the periphery, than discussing true basketball topics. Mind you that's all OK.......my wife is a "skirt" and I love her dearly. She occasionally goes to a game with me and spends the whole time talking about Christi Mack's shoes or the cheerleaders' hair bows. Now, if you want me to explain Walsh's statement, I'd be glad to.......if you want to continue to act like a "skirt", than have at it brother (or sister).

Titanxman04

08-11-2010, 01:12 PM

I talked to Walsh before he left campus and after the announcement was made he was transferring. I asked if it was a mutual situation. He said yes.

xu95

08-12-2010, 08:43 AM

Well that explains alot. If you had read Walsh's statement you may have been able to more intelligently participate in the conversation. But then again, even if you had read it I'm not sure you would have understood it because you are what we refer to as a "skirt".
It seems you are more comfortable discussing uniform colors and cheerleading routines, arguing semantics or dancing around the periphery, than discussing true basketball topics. Mind you that's all OK.......my wife is a "skirt" and I love her dearly. She occasionally goes to a game with me and spends the whole time talking about Christi Mack's shoes or the cheerleaders' hair bows. Now, if you want me to explain Walsh's statement, I'd be glad to.......if you want to continue to act like a "skirt", than have at it brother (or sister).

I'm going to have to go back and read Walsh's statement because either a) you are a liar, or b) Walsh said in his statement "I don't have the talent to play at Xavier".

If he actually said that I would be surprised.

xu95

xu95

08-12-2010, 08:47 AM

sweet16

08-12-2010, 02:17 PM

Ok, so I have officially read Walsh's statement and no where in there he says he isn't talented enough to play at Xavier.

So once again, which coach are you, or do you want to stick to your LHeyness and keep holding firm to "I am right and you are wrong"?

By the way, my wife knows more about this basketball team than you do. I am yet to see what value you bring to the conversations.

xu95

OK skirt, here's your chance to win back your man card. "I thought I might have a chance to have a bigger impact and play a lot but Mack saw things differently". What do you think that means? What do you think these guys are talking about here? If you want to check with your wife before answering that's fine.......I guess. What, Mack doesn't like the way Walsh cuts his hair or doesn't like his PA accent? You can spin it any way you want but Mack wanted that scholarship back.