Was Big Ben at one of these Miami parties?

[X-band '01]

Cincinnati Enquirer - Miami President Reacts to Sorority Party at Freedom Center (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100512/NEWS01/5130340/Miami+president++appalled++by+parties)

And here's a link to a party that made the papers earlier this week:

May 11 Cincinnati Enquirer - Miami sorority suspended after party at Lake Lyndsay Lodge (Butler County) (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100511/NEWS01/305100008/Miami-sorority-suspended-after-party)

"We have received more than 2 dozen reports of individual acts of perversion, so profound - and disgusting - that decorum prohibits listing them here."

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[xudash]

Absolutely wonderful pub for MU.

Face it Flounder, you threw up ON Dean Wormer.

[ballyhoohoo]

As I read these articles it took me back to my days as an undergrad at Indiana State. Many times we snuck our own alcohol in events when we were underage, broke a few things, and did our share on urination and public fornication. However we never pissed or crapped on the dance floor. I can remember one sorority barn dance I was at when one of their underage members took a shit in the hall way while she was waiting in line for the ladies room. If memory serves me right she transferred to a different school the next semester. I think the only reason we never made the paper was Indiana State does not have the reputation of Miami, and the fact that the residents of Terre Haute who hosted our functions were probably unable to write letters.

This was on of my fraternity brothers reaction to this story when I emailed him the link:


I thought that was how they were all suppose to go… That’s not normal? Well luckily for the owner they got the $500 deposit…ha. Suckers.

[Kahns Krazy]

The local reporters are having a field day. It was the top story in the Enquirer print edition this morning, and the description in the first paragraph was "drunken puke fest".

[MADXSTER]

Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took advantage of our male party guests. (We did.) But you can't hold a whole sorority responsible for the actions of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then you have to blame the entire sorority system. And if the entire sorority system is guilty, then is this not an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg! Is this not an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us - but I am not going to stand here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America!

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[X-band '01]

Someone please rep MadX since I have to spread it around again. All you have to do is switch fraternity with sorority and it's dead on in that speech.

[boozehound]

Has anyone actually read through the letter from the Lake Lyndsay lodge to Miami University detailing the events? It was one of the funniest things I have read in a while.

It reminded me a little bit about Xavier's Senior Ball which kept getting kicked out of area hotels. My Senior year it was at the Millennium hotel downtown. They were completely unprepared for the amount of drunkeness that occurred and started actually kicking people out of the hotel at one point.

[PM Thor]

Does it make me a creepy old guy if I checked out that sororitys pics on their website? Hopefully DC doesn't find that site...

Who in their right mind has a college party at the Freedom Center? Stupidest venue ever. At least that place is getting used for something I guess...

I HATE dayton.

[SixFig]

If it pleases the court please submit these 2 articles as evidence A and B of why Xavier needs no fraternities or sororities...ever.

[X-band '01]

Xavier does have fraternities/sororities of an academic nature but obviously no residental Greek system.

[Kahns Krazy]

If it pleases the court please submit these 2 articles as evidence A and B of why Xavier needs no fraternities or sororities...ever.

Right. It is the existence of sororities that makes this type of thing happen. Nobody at Xavier vomits, has sex, or breaks stuff at parties.

Evil Greek organizations...

[SixFig]

Right. It is the existence of sororities that makes this type of thing happen. Nobody at Xavier vomits, has sex, or breaks stuff at parties.

Evil Greek organizations...

Nope never.

Or at least we are better at not getting caught.

[boozehound]

Nope never.

Or at least we are better at not getting caught.

I don't know that I feel that statement is true. I thew and attended some pretty out of control parties at Xavier. I am sure that many others here did as well.

One time I was at a party where someone was spraying a fire extinguisher inside, which caused a girl to have some kind of asthma attack. She went to the hospital in an ambulance because she stopped breathing. It could have been very serious. If the local media had run with that story it could have been very similar to this incident, if not worse. This kind of thing happens at pretty much every college.

I'm not a particularly Pro-Greek person. If I had gone to a school with a Greek system I'm not sure that I would have joined a fraternity. I do not, however, think that this is any kind of indictment of the Greek system.

Just for the record, I think that the Miami U party sounded like a pretty damn good time!

[ballyhoohoo]

Just for the record, I think that the Miami U party sounded like a pretty damn good time!


I agree, less the crapping in the hallways.

Let's face it, if there were attractive and willing young ladies on a XavierHoops bus trip........

[SixFig]

I don't know that I feel that statement is true. I thew and attended some pretty out of control parties at Xavier. I am sure that many others here did as well.

One time I was at a party where someone was spraying a fire extinguisher inside, which caused a girl to have some kind of asthma attack. She went to the hospital in an ambulance because she stopped breathing. It could have been very serious. If the local media had run with that story it could have been very similar to this incident, if not worse. This kind of thing happens at pretty much every college.

I'm not a particularly Pro-Greek person. If I had gone to a school with a Greek system I'm not sure that I would have joined a fraternity. I do not, however, think that this is any kind of indictment of the Greek system.

Just for the record, I think that the Miami U party sounded like a pretty damn good time!

Sorry I was kinda being sarcastic.

I'd be lying to you if I said I never saw Xavier students puking, defocating, and destroying property (and that was just one night).

[Smails]

What kind of Sorrority/Fraternity leaves behind 30-30 packs of beer? WTF?? Seriously

They deserve to have their charter revoked..

[Kahns Krazy]

Nope never.

Or at least we are better at not getting caught.

I doubt it's even that. It's more that having an organizational name to attach to the misconduct seems to make it a more interesting story for the media.

I thought these two paragraphs in this morning's story summed it up:


"Miller said in her memo that Bensons employees had warned her that the event would be a wild one. They told her the sorority had been banned from BB Riverboats, which Bensons also catered, following an event where several couples were caught having intercourse in the hallways and on the top deck of a boat.

BB Riverboats officials denied that Wednesday, saying the incident never happened and that the sorority was never banned from their facilities."

So a caterer accuses a sorority of throwing a wild orgy and getting banned from B&B Riverboats. B&B says it never happened. The Enquirer reports the accusation anyway? What kind of reporting is that other than "sensational"?

It's the same thing with 2 Duke energy drivers getting popped for DUI's in three days. It only makes the news because there's a name to attach to it.

[PMI]

I yielded my right to judge drunken asshole behavior many, many black-out nights ago, but I can't imagine how unbelievably pissed off I'd be if I were in charge of running a place where a bunch off 22 year old shit shows were blatantly breaking things and disregarding anything I had to say about it. Again, I've been on the kids' side and if Lady Karma gets her vindictive way I'll probably be getting my fair share of payback over the next 50 years, but I do feel bad for the people who had to clean up puke, urine, crap, and whatever else. Some people view weeks like this as a complete and total free-for-all, and believe me, it's a fun way to approach it, but looking at it from this angle makes me understand why I was only allowed to participate in about half the senior week events (and that alone took some convincing...)

[X-band '01]

I doubt it's even that. It's more that having an organizational name to attach to the misconduct seems to make it a more interesting story for the media.

I thought these two paragraphs in this morning's story summed it up:



So a caterer accuses a sorority of throwing a wild orgy and getting banned from B&B Riverboats. B&B says it never happened. The Enquirer reports the accusation anyway? What kind of reporting is that other than "sensational"?

It's the same thing with 2 Duke energy drivers getting popped for DUI's in three days. It only makes the news because there's a name to attach to it.

In some ways, I'd agree. I saw the article on Monday but didn't comment on it then because I just figured it was one group of knuckleheads out of control at a party. But when 2 sororities are getting in trouble (or at least being uncovered) within the span of a week, people are going to wonder what the hell is going on up in Oxford.

[X-band '01]

Sorry I was kinda being sarcastic.

I'd be lying to you if I said I never saw Xavier students puking, defocating, and destroying property (and that was just one night).

Of course - otherwise we'd never have the lovely Newswire feature called Police Notes of the Week.

[boozehound]

I yielded my right to judge drunken asshole behavior many, many black-out nights ago, but I can't imagine how unbelievably pissed off I'd be if I were in charge of running a place where a bunch off 22 year old shit shows were blatantly breaking things and disregarding anything I had to say about it. Again, I've been on the kids' side and if Lady Karma gets her vindictive way I'll probably be getting my fair share of payback over the next 50 years, but I do feel bad for the people who had to clean up puke, urine, crap, and whatever else. Some people view weeks like this as a complete and total free-for-all, and believe me, it's a fun way to approach it, but looking at it from this angle makes me understand why I was only allowed to participate in about half the senior week events (and that alone took some convincing...)

I see your point, but what do you expect? I would expect exactly that kind of behavior if I was letting a bunch of college kids in a celebratory mood use my facility, minus (perhaps) the public defecation. I sure as hell wouldn't schedule it the night before an 8am wedding as the letter from the owner of the facility alleges.

Kids will be kids...

[boozehound]

In some ways, I'd agree. I saw the article on Monday but didn't comment on it then because I just figured it was one group of knuckleheads out of control at a party. But when 2 sororities are getting in trouble (or at least being uncovered) within the span of a week, people are going to wonder what the hell is going on up in Oxford.

Students partying while at College?

[Kahns Krazy]

In some ways, I'd agree. I saw the article on Monday but didn't comment on it then because I just figured it was one group of knuckleheads out of control at a party. But when 2 sororities are getting in trouble (or at least being uncovered) within the span of a week, people are going to wonder what the hell is going on up in Oxford.

I think that is the reaction the media is hoping for.

If you read the letters, as repulsive as the actions of some of the partygoers is, it's clearly a minority of the attendees. There is more public drunkenness and defecation on the suspension bridge nearly every night of the year than there is in these two parties, but that will never be the headline.

I'm not defending the actions of the individuals in question. I just don't think the indictment of the greek system is an appropriate media response. Why hasn't there been an interview with a single person who was at either of these parties? Why aren't they trying to find the individuals who are responsible for these acts?

I do think it's probably prudent for Miami to freshen up its regulations concerning off campus greek events though. Actions have consequences, even in college.

[X-band '01]

I think that is the reaction the media is hoping for.

If you read the letters, as repulsive as the actions of some of the partygoers is, it's clearly a minority of the attendees. There is more public drunkenness and defecation on the suspension bridge nearly every night of the year than there is in these two parties, but that will never be the headline.

I'm not defending the actions of the individuals in question. I just don't think the indictment of the greek system is an appropriate media response. Why hasn't there been an interview with a single person who was at either of these parties? Why aren't they trying to find the individuals who are responsible for these acts?

I do think it's probably prudent for Miami to freshen up its regulations concerning off campus greek events though. Actions have consequences, even in college.

I saw the letter relating to the Butler County party along with the police reports attached to it. It's way too graphic in spots to post in this part of the board, although it was a telling sign that bus drivers on the way TO the event (again, that's TO the event, not from) had to pull over so that the students could, for lack of a better word, relieve themselves.

It's also sadder when you read that the same people who run this cabin have had to make different arrangements for future weddings/events at that place because some vases/other statues were destroyed at this event. Yes, actions have consequences, but it may appear that suspensions and the holding of the $500 security deposit may not be enough of a deterrent in some cases.

It's big enough of a story that it's also showing up in other papers across the country; at one point the Atlanta Journal-Constitution had that article as the 4th-most recommended article on their website.

[payday]

If it pleases the court please submit these 2 articles as evidence A and B of why Xavier needs no fraternities or sororities...ever.

Don't forget Pi Alpha Phi, a fine Xavier social fraternity from 1946 through the early 1980's.

[Kahns Krazy]

It's also sadder when you read that the same people who run this cabin have had to make different arrangements for future weddings/events at that place because some vases/other statues were destroyed at this event. Yes, actions have consequences, but it may appear that suspensions and the holding of the $500 security deposit may not be enough of a deterrent in some cases.
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I agree 100%. I think the people that destroyed the property should be held accountable. I get the impression that nobody is interested in finding the individuals who broke shit, (or who took shits) but they're all too happy to drag the sorority's name through the mud.

The Greek organizations at Miami and other schools are the most philantrophic groups on campus. Sure, it's mostly self serving, but it's in general more than the attendees at most off-campus parties do.

I don't want to come off at all like I'm defending anyone who thinks is funny to break a statue or crap on a building for fun.

Farts are funny. Poop is not. Sharts are funny as long as you're not sitting on my stuff.

[xubrew]

As I read these articles it took me back to my days as an undergrad at Indiana State. Many times we snuck our own alcohol in events when we were underage, broke a few things, and did our share on urination and public fornication.

did you ever do this at a place like the freedom center?? to me, that's really what makes this a story. it just seems like an odd event for a place like that to host. it would be like pantera (i'm showing my age) having a concert at a local church or youth group center. the headlines would read "heavily intoxicated concert goers get completely out of control and damage the church."

well, yeah. why would a place like that even consider hosting an event like that??

i'm not defending what the kids did. i am saying that this isn't even a story if it's not at the freedom center. if you want to have a party like that, why have it at the freedom center?? makes no sense. on the flip side, and i know it may sound like i'm blamign the victim, but why the hell would the freedom center host a greek formal?? if you let in all the crazies, don't act surprise if the place turns into an asylum.

[Kahns Krazy]

No argument from me on either side brew. Stupid place to have the event and stupid venue for allowing the event.

Sororities at Miami do not have houses. They have a suite in a dorm. All of their events are held off campus. B&B riverboats is a very common destination.

[Kahns Krazy]

Oh, and in the interest of equal media bashing, my least-favorite non-news story of the day is this one:


Morrow councilman arrested for intoxication
By Eric Bradley • ebradley@enquirer.com • May 13, 2010

Comments (32) Recommend (6) Print this page ShareThis Font size:AA MORROW - A Morrow village councilman was arrested for walking down a street while intoxicated on Wednesday.




Bruce Miller was cited for intoxication on a public roadway and released at about 7 p.m. near Vic's Bar, said Morrow Police Chief Heath Kilburn.

Kilburn, who arrested Miller, said he acted on a tip phoned into Morrow Mayor Michael G. Erwin.

Erwin did not answer his village phone on Thursday and his voice mailbox was full.

According to Kilburn, Miller blew a .051 or .052 on a breathalyzer test, lower than Ohio's .08 legal limit.

However, Kilburn said he was using an unfamiliar device for the test and he doubts the veracity of the results.

"Mr. Miller had bloodshot eyes, glassy eyes, and a little slurred speech," Kilburn said.

Miller is the second Morrow councilman to face legal trouble recently.

Joshua Chambers has a civil stalking case pending in Warren County Common Pleas Court.

Miller will appear in Warren County Court on the intoxication charge today.



Seriously? Dude got cited for walking home from a bar after having two drinks? The cop admits to having used a breathlyzer, then ignoring the results? This is stupid.

[X-band '01]

well, yeah. why would a place like that even consider hosting an event like that??

i'm not defending what the kids did. i am saying that this isn't even a story if it's not at the freedom center. if you want to have a party like that, why have it at the freedom center?? makes no sense. on the flip side, and i know it may sound like i'm blaming the victim, but why the hell would the freedom center host a greek formal?? if you let in all the crazies, don't act surprise if the place turns into an asylum.

I would say lack of options because of venues' reticence to have young teens and 20-somethings congregated with alcohol involved. You'll never see too many of these events at the Duke Energy Center or Sharonville Convention Center, but I have to wonder if the Freedom Center was desperate to host an occasional event or two.

But please tell me that at least one of these respected venues would pull a Chief Couch and ask "Why do you even have to have parties?" to these fraternities and sororities looking to book these events.